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Confession of a Disinformation Agent (Was: Re: A Tool to Clean Up bRay©'s greed & disinformation on the net)

By Raymond Karczewski

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:27:06 GMT, digger (bad@example.com) wrote:

Jimmy Snibbler (me@my.forest) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

rk: Those interested in understanding the level of their conditioned ignorance regarding the operation of government/media sponsored/supported disinformation agents who operate on the Internet may read the following post by digger. Digger was one of the individuals referred to the FBI for Investigation in 1997.

rk: Look to how these disinformation agents who brag of their immunity from prosecution are used to disrupt serious dialogue on the Internet. Observe how our errant government has given their assent to such CENSORSHIP by refusing to investigate this matter of Internet Censorship/Disinformation/Mind Control on the Internet. Observe the accelerated decline of our freedom and rights which have occured in our country since my filing of the criminal complaint with the FBI in 1997.

rk: Pay attention to diggers boastful announcement that he dr. digger, PMAFA, BsD, Ambushing Sidewinder of the SKEP-TI-CULT® was/is the Co-founder of alt.religion.ray-karczewski, a group designed for the sole purpose of ridicule and misdirection.

rk: And you thought this march toward the tyranny of a NEW WORLD ORDER just happened recently. Your government wants you to continue in your sleep until it is time to wake up to the NEW WORLD ORDER.

rk: WAKE UP NOW AMERICA BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!

Raymond Karczewski

js: >> Ray is certainly gherkin you puppets all over my screen! Can' you see he is joking?

d: > No, Dr. .S., i can't. Kooks don't have a sense of humor. Can't you see how serious this is? We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's posts blocked from the biggest news server on planet earth. Was that a joke?

d: >We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's own ISP to make him stop posting from the news server that his monthly fee buys access to (within reasonable limits). Was that a joke? NO! RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI has been successfully identified as a spammer.

js: >> When I first read his troll I was rolling on the floor. His typical tongue-in-cheek delivery was in classic from in this post. Just enough bluster and bravado to make you bite at it. You and ice-nine both were trolled severely by the master himself.

d: >Your dualistic Satanic mind-probing nature is going to cost you severely.

d: >This post, which you have just posted, contains not less than NINE references to RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's copyrighted name (or derivants thereof). Do you imagine that by purchasing a copy of RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's book, for $6.50+p&h, you have exposed yourself to cause of action for $4.5 million in self-executing contractual obligations, not counting your references by personal pronoun, which are worth at least $50,000 apiece in addition?

d: >And what about the further damages you have deliberately incited by posting a post that was certain to be replied to, and to cause the repetition of further self-executing copyright infringements? .S., are you not aware of the doctrine of DEEP POCKETS?

d: >Hell, isn't it? James E. Snibbler

-- dr. digger, PMAFA, BsD

Ambushing Sidewinder of the SKEP-TI-CULT®

Founder of alt.paranormal

Co-founder of alt.religion.ray-karczewski

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Re: You Have a Right to Remain Silent! dr. digger wrote:

arkent@cdsnet.net (Raymond Karczewski) wrote:

rk: You Have a Right to Remain Silent!

d: Fuck that right! I'm guilty!

rk: What is this piece of advice? "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of Law....etc, etc, etc."

rk: Not only have the bullies not heeded this advice in the ensuing months since the case was referred to the FBI, they trip over each other in putting their damning statements in writing.

rk: What does it say about a predatory group which relies upon outside intercessors to plead on their behalf to stop the present Conspiracy to Libel investigation by the FBI when they themselves spur each other on to increase the momentum and intensity of their self-incriminating behavior?

rk: Considering the consequences which will result from their prideful, irresponsible, and reprehensible behavior in this matter, such continual "pushing the envelope" makes them downright STUPID.

d: Ray! When you sent off for that matchbook-cover cluelessness course, did you remember not to mail the matches?

d: I, for one, have already tried to turn myself in to the FBI. As you recall, I called the Medford Resident Agency, and offered to assist them in their investigation. Not only did they not want to hear my confession, but they weren't interested in questioning me, nor even in talking to me! After a month, no Special Agent has shown up at my door!

d: Now look, I have waived all my 5th amendment rights! I confess! I have ridiculed you, blocked your posts, libeled you, called you a fucking liar repeatedly, denied you your freedom of speech, and conspired with others to do all the above! Is there anything else? I confess to everything! I admit I'm guilty as a cat with canary feathers all over its puss! What more do you possibly need, bRaaay?

d: Now, where's my everluvven FBI agent, you bottom-feeding motherfucker?

rk: ATTN: FBI This post by digger constitutes a clear, unambiguous, and freely rendered public CONFESSION to the above charges, including the admission that he "conspired with others to do all the above!" (See above charges.) Such an unambiguous and direct admission of participation involving the "other members of the AFAB Bully group" in a CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL is an unquestionable FELONY which falls within your agency's investigative jurisdiction.

rk: FAILURE TO ACT UPON THIS CONFESSION OPENS THE FBI TO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION, INCOMPETENCE, AND/OR MALFEASANCE. What could possibly be the political circumstances by which you place the reputation of your agency in jeopardy by such a failure to act on this timely Constitutional FREE SPEECH issue? Why is the agency so deliberately bent on opening itself to PUBLIC SCANDAL AND RIDICULE through such a blatant demonstration of its failure to act in the performance of its sworn duties?

rk: As a retired police sergeant living on a pension from a California police agency, I find your agency's conduct in this matter to be unconscionable. It is as mind boggling to one interested in justice as it would be to perceive a murderer walk into your office,openly confess to a murder he has just committed only to be "kissed off" by the intake screening agent telling him "Don't bother me, can't you see I'm eating a "doughnut?" Is this laughingstock image really desired by any responsible law enforcement agency?

rk: A copy of this article is being posted to ALL appropriate political and general newsgroup including CONGRESS.

rk: We shall see how long a public agency can persist in avoiding the responsibility of performing its sworn duty! Perhaps it is time to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!

rk: I encourage all who are concerned with the quality of service now being provided by publicly funded governmental agencies which do not perform their sworn duties to contact their State Congressmen and Representatives, along with their local FBI office. INSIST upon a full accounting of FBI actions taken in the current open case of CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL submitted to the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI in November of last year (1997) by Raymond Karczewski.

rk: Perhaps it is time for CONGRESS to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!!

Ray Karczewski >

-- dr. digger, BsD, PMAFA, HdPD, AAAA

http://www.skepticult.org

Member, Overseers' Cabal Of alt.paranormal (TINOCOap)

Ambushing Sidewinder of the SKEP-TI-CULT®

afa-b Bully® Special Agent in Charge of the Special Agent in Charge of Ray's case "The arrest of the afa-b Bullies® is imminent, and always will be."

"Exposing the depravity of you sick people is not hatred, it's a public service." -- Bruce Daniel Kettler, KotY, LMAx3, famous spammer

"We all know we could make a baby cry by hurting it very easily-the POINT is what sort of psychologically deranged and powerless ego WANTS to do that day in and day out?"

-- Crybaby Wollmann, KotM, KotY-in-training, loser of 9 accounts (End of email)

(Followup e-mails sent to Senators Smith and Wyden. posted on May 19, 1999)

To: Senator Gordon Smith

Sir:

MK Ultra "Manchurian Candidate Trigger?

rk: A copy of this post containing excerpts from recent posts have been sent to:

President Bill Clinton at president@whitehouse.gov

Oregon Senator Gordon Smith at oregon@gsmith.senate.gov

Oregon Senator Ron Wyden at senator@wyden.senate.gov

rk: One prior e-mail communication regarding the issue of MK Ultra Mind Control experimentation and government/media sponsored disinformation agents operating on the Internet was sent to President Bill Clinton at the White House and also to Senator Gordon Smith. Two prior e-mails regarding the same matter were sent to the office of Senator Ron Wyden. Aside from an autoresponder message received from Senator Wyden's office indicating they would get back to me, no response has been received from any of the above offices contacted.

rk: Sirs, may I reiterate my original request that you intervene on my behalf in determining the status of the FBI's present open investigation into the matter submitted to their Medford Oregon field office on Nov. 2nd 1977 by myself, Raymond Karczewski.

rk: As you can see by the comments issued below on public USENET newsgroups, this matter needs to be brought to closure.

rk: I again ask each of you to intervene with the FBI and ascertain the status of their investigation. I am posting this communication publicly on Internet newsgroups so that there can be no error as to what is being communicated.

rk: Frankly, I am disappointed with the performance of my governmental representatives regarding this matter.

rk: I await your response. You may contact me via e-mail at arkent@cdsnet.net or mail your response to Raymond Karczewski, PO Box 1870, Cave Junction, OR 97523.

Raymond Karczewski

(Excerpt from newsgroup article, posted May 19th, 1999 included in e-mails to Senators Smith and Wyden)

rk: Check out dt's rather unusual sinister phrase ". . . strike down your father, Raymond Karczewski . . ." below. Put it together with mubul's repeated comments in recent posts regarding my death. Coincidence or an MK Ultra Manchurian Candidate-type "Trigger Phrase?"

rk: Attn: FBI, are you getting all this? What's it going to take for you to close your case? The closure of my life?

Dharmagangster wrote <7hiqa7$8lp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...The Prophecies have been fulfilled!

>DT, on 3/30/99: << Good! Give in to your anger, KiSSer. Feel the power of the Dark Side of the Force. Now strike down your father, Raymond Karczewski, and take his place as the list psycho-fanatic, and then your turn to the Dark Side will be complete.

Re: MK Ultra "Manchurian Candidate Trigger? (was: Re:PSYCHO-WAR 101 )(Re: Fighting fire with fire (was: KSS 'recognized' as incarnation of Yak)

rk: The following responses from "kss" and "mubul" to the earlier article in this thread are being sent to my usual newsgroups, along with specific attention of it being drawn to the newsgroups: alt.politics.org.fbi, alt.politics.reform, alt.politics.democrats.d, alt.politics.usa.congress, alt.politics.libertarian, alt.politics.usa.misc, alt.politics.usa.republican.

rk: Perhaps in this way, at least one (1) Congressional Representative, Senator, or at least one (1) newspaper, radio, or tv media outlet might be brave enough to emerge and bring this Internet MK ULTRA mind control/disinformation issue out into the open. breaking the wall of silence that has surrounded this matter.

rk: Is media a true, credible conduit of information between government and its people, or is there a whole lot of management of news going on which determines just what reaches the eyes and ears of the public? Let us finally put that to the test, shall we?

rk: We shall see who our government and media serves by their very existence. The people--or their own interests.

rk: One thing is quite clear, however--a full scale letter writing/telephone campaign by those of you who still believe that government exists to serve the people wouldn't hurt in bringing closure to this matter.

Ray Karczewski

( End of E-mails to Senators)

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"Truth is the most powerful thing in existence. Whatever resistance that may be brought to bear against it, one finds that Truth can never be destroyed or diminished in the least.Truth requires no effort to exist--IT IS."

Excerpt from "Journey Beyond Thought" Check out Our Website:

Raymond Karczewski http://www.arkenterprises.com

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Confession of a Disinformation Agent (Was: Re: A Tool to Clean Up bRay©'s greed & disinformation on the net)

digger (bad@example.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

Jaye Mathisen Internetcds.com wrote:

MESSAGE ID 3d1827ad.130514386@news.gci.net

d: > Thanks for the heads-up, Sane Edmo. Since we had Disinformation Legion Central notify Supernews to block all posts originating from RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI, I don't see enough of his posts. Which is kinda ok, as long as Evil Edmo and BDKook are around.

3d195835.41293117@news.gci.net

d: > . . . We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's posts blocked from the biggest news server on planet earth. Was that a joke?

d: >We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's own ISP to make him stop posting from the news server that his monthly fee buys access to (within reasonable limits). Was that a joke? NO! RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI has been successfully identified as a spammer.

rk: In response to the above comments made by digger in two separate posts, I immediately sent the following email to Jaye Mathisen in charge of operations at Internetcds, my ISP.

rk: > "For many months now, I have been unable to sent posts out of internetcds's newsreader "reader.meganews.com" although I have been able to read only. When asked about it cds support stated they were working on the problem but never went further into detail. To solve the problem, I went to another server to send messages and read them on meganews."

rk: > "I came across this post today. (see above comment of digger) My question of you is, IS IT TRUE? Is reader.meganews.com presently fully functional? Have I been selectively blocked all this time by Internetcds.com from posting my messages? I certainly received no notification from cds of this action. "

rk: > "I await your reply. "

rk: Mathisen's terse reply was:

jm: Nope. Currently nobody can post. Whatever articles get sent to the server are what people see, what doesn't get sent, isn't seen.

rk: It is this level of disinformation employed by digger and other AFAB BULLIES/SKEPTICULTISTS over a lengthy period of time, (7 1/2 years) which results in the incremental destruction of another's reputation by having a cumulative effect the suggestive minds of newsgroup readership. That's the subtlety of Mind Control on the Internet.

rk: How many readers are even aware of it, let alone understand the full effect that all such government/media propaganda has on your present view of the world?

rk: WAKE UP AMERICA!!

Raymond Karczewski

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Re: Confession of a Disinformation Agent (Was: Re: A Tool to Clean Up bRay©'s greed & disinformation on the net)

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:25:38 -0600, "svanier" (svanier@qwest.net) wrote:

*******SPV....Ray is talked into a corner in this post. He is declaring that nobody is cutting him off from posting. He is arguing against all his other posts.

rk: That's clearly not so, is it? It is only the alcohol/drug induced envy of one who considers himself "enlightened" yet with his every word demonstrates that he is unable to escape the Mirror of Truth via a simple man of Truth which allowed him to observe his own distorted perceptions.

rk: The issue with my ISP is moot. I have not been able to post articles to USENET newsgroups through my ISP's newsreader, "reader.meganews.com" for many, many months. As such, it was necessary for me to subscribe to two separate newsgroup servers, i.e., "post.newsfeeds.com" and "post.usenet.com" in order to get my messages out. It was from those servers, the articles referred to were blocked/censored. One merely need visit my bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm to verify this via the specific dates of posts which were repeatedly blocked, even though they were posted daily for over a week with no trace of them showing up on the newsgroups and/or GOOGLE archives.

spv: >I must say, "Digger you have him just telling himselve tales." Well done. Ray is upside down and backwards in this post.

rk: Your "upside down and backwards" characterization can be simply observed as that arising from the judgmental eye of the skewed/unstable beholder. You even choose to ignore the evidence of digger's confession when he said "We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's posts blocked from the biggest news server (Supernews) on planet earth. Was that a joke?" and "We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's own ISP to make him stop posting from the news server that his monthly fee buys access to (within reasonable limits). Was that a joke? NO! RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI has been successfully identified as a spammer.

rk: Through the years there has been numerous attempts to label me a spammer. Letter writing campaigns were launched/directed toward my ISP in an attempt to cancel my account as a means of stopping my posts. Since the evidence has shown that I am not a spammer, (excluding floods of forgeries in my name by unknown persons posting from foreign accounts) their demands for cancellation of my account upon my ISP fell upon deaf ears. When these cowardly measures failed, the Governement/Media, sponsored supported Disinformation Agents/AFAB bullies/skepticultists being unable to stand up to the simple truth of my messages, the only option left was for them to engage in behind the scenes sabotage. That pretty much brings us up to date.

rk: stephen, I have given you good advice in the past, yet your mind-numbing addictions still have their deathgrip upon your soul and continue to color your perceptions. Here it is again, for the advice is worth repeating. Lay off the booze and drugs, sober up, straighten out and perhaps you would not be such a slave to riding upon the coattails of another and engage in celebrity namedropping. That kind of behavior merely reflects the skewed spirit of an envious fool.

Raymond Karczewski©
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"Raymond Karczewski" (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote in message news:3D19F856.8311329B@internetcds.com...

Confession of a Disinformation Agent (Was: Re: A Tool to Clean Up bRay©'s greed & disinformation on the net)

digger (bad@example.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

Jaye Mathisen Internetcds.com wrote:

MESSAGE ID 3d1827ad.130514386@news.gci.net

d: > Thanks for the heads-up, Sane Edmo. Since we had Disinformation Legion Central notify Supernews to block all posts originating from RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI, I don't see enough of his posts. Which is kinda ok, as long as Evil Edmo and BDKook are around. 3d195835.41293117@news.gci.net

d: > . . . We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's posts blocked from the biggest news server on planet earth. Was that a joke?

d: >We got RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI's own ISP to make him stop posting from the news server that his monthly fee buys access to (within reasonable limits). Was that a joke? NO! RAYMOND RONALD KARCZEWSKI has been successfully identified as a spammer.

rk: In response to the above comments made by digger in two separate posts, I immediately sent the following email to Jaye Mathisen in charge of operations at Internetcds, my ISP.

rk: > "For many months now, I have been unable to sent posts out of internetcds's newsreader "reader.meganews.com" although I have been able to read only. When asked about it cds support stated they were working on the problem but never went further into detail. To solve the problem, I went to another server to send messages and read them on meganews."

rk: > "I came across this post today. (see above comment of digger) My question of you is, IS IT TRUE? Is reader.meganews.com presently fully functional? Have I been selectively blocked all this time by Internetcds.com from posting my messages? I certainly received no notification from cds of this action. "

rk: > "I await your reply. "

rk: Mathisen's terse reply was: jm: Nope. Currently nobody can post. Whatever articles get sent to the server are what people see, what doesn't get sent, isn't seen.

rk: It is this level of disinformation employed by digger and other AFAB BULLIES/SKEPTICULTISTS over a lengthy period of time, (7 1/2 years) which results in the incremental destruction of another's reputation by having a cumulative effect the suggestive minds of newsgroup readership. That's the subtlety of Mind Control on the Internet.

rk: How many readers are even aware of it, let alone understand the full effect that all such government/media propaganda has on your present view of the world?

rk: WAKE UP AMERICA!!

Raymond Karczewski

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*It's the Momentum, Dummy!!*

By Raymond Karczewski

Why is it that civilized human beings are unable to extricate themselves from their own self-created Hell here on Earth?

The answer is really quite simple. Through misplaced addiction to the worship of the dualistic/conflicted split essence of consciousness created by the Satanic (Opposer) realm of knowledge-bound intellect, "civilized" humans have been rendered impotent, fragmented and inert in their being. This coercive, reactionary, conflicted state of dualistic consciousness has stripped man of the "ability" to live at-one with his true estate of nondualistic Infinite Intelligence.

That is the true meaning of "Man's Fall from Grace."

To resurrect the Spirit of nondualistic Infinite Intelligence, the Christ State of Consciousness -- to live, to love, to be in a state of nonconflict with such nondualistic Truth -- the bifurcated "momentum" of dualism must come to an end. One must die to the intellect to be reborn of the Spirit.

It is a simple act of letting go, observing life with (re)opened spiritual eyes, and allowing such awareness to guide one through the complicated matrix of thought which has been imposed upon the conditioned minds of codependent spiritual ignoramuses.

In the realm of dualistic Hell, whoever sets the momentum and maintains control over it at the subtler levels of consciousness, has the power. Power can be exercised only at the peripheral levels of consciousness, the intellectual state of dualism. Beyond that level of split-consciousness, power is not.

Power exists only through the consent of the ignorant, the Spiritually Blind who have allowed themselves to be sacrificed upon the altar of Intellect through their "unknowing" worship of the "god of intellect" -- Satan. Such bargains made with such petty god(s) predictably lead ignoramuses to their ultimate destruction through enslavement and endless confusion.

Civilized Man lives in such a state of Spiritual Unawareness. Yet he remains oblivious to the simple solution which remains eternally present but is not seen.

Governments are erected to allow the spiritually blind to be led by the equally spiritually blind.

To regain one's lost sovereignty as a Child of God, a Christ, one who loves, one who lives in a state of at-one-ment with the essence of nondualistic Infinite Intelligence, one must stop the momentum which rules the fragmented intellect. Only then does the transcendence of the cluttered realm of a chattering, contradiction-driven, dualistic intellect take place.

Listen to those who control your mind over the media, both print and broadcast. Both Establisment and Non-establishment patriot-cloaked commentators serve the same god -- Satan -- do they not? They succeed in keeping the pot boiling. They fragment consciousness, create dichotomies which may then be directed and exploited. Is that not the nature of power itself?

Their mind-control techniques focus the mass mind at the peripheral level of intellect, where "illusory" differences succeed in separating and dividing human beings.

While focused upon such endless, reactionary, exciting, emotional conflicts, civilized man remains blind to the ONLY solution to such a conflicted way of living.

Nothing happens in society without the energy of support allowing it to manifest and sustain itself. Tyrants operate only at the behest of ignoramuses who willingly give their consent to such tyranny. Without your money, the symbol of your energy, which you willingly give to the "leaders of Hell," all such momentums must come to an end; for the powers your leaders have over you are illusory. They have NO SUBSTANCE but the substance you give them. The emperor is naked, he has no clothes. He relies upon the doubt he has created in your present state of dualistic consciousness -- a state of consciousness which is thoroughly exploited.

BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT. It is the solution to all of civilized man's problems. Yet to mind controlled ignoramuses such a simple solution remains hidden in plain sight.

DO NOT SUPPORT THE MOMENTUM, AND THE MOMENTUM WILL DIE!!! Who amongst you are awake enough to SEE THIS?

You now have the solution which will solve the ills of the world. It remains to be seen whether you have the intelligence to implement it.

Raymond Karczewski©

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Identity Theft, Your County Clerk's Office and You!!

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

The following letter was sent to Josephine County Recorder Georgette Brown in regard to her response (see: http://www.arkenterprises.com/uccgbrn2.jpg ) to my letter sent her on Sept. 18th, 2002 See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch57.htm#clerk

I share this with the readership for the purpose of standing in the same light while holding our public officials accountable in the performance of their duties.

Raymond Karczewski©

June 27th, 2002

Ms. Georgette Brown

County Recorder

County Courthouse

Josephine County, OR

Ms. Brown,

Your response received today, June 27th, 2002, to my letter regarding the treatment I received by your employees on June 7th, 2002 is puzzling in its ambiguity.

I can assure you, the conduct of your employees on that date would not win any awards. My primary concern, however, rests with your office policy in ensuring that it follows the laws of Oregon as stated in Oregon Revised Statutes - 2001 Edition

Just how is section 193.080, directly quoted from ORS Chapter 193 — Legal Notices "taken out of context"? It is quite specific in its language; i.e.," . . .If an affidavit of publication is made in an action, suit or proceeding pending in a court, it may be filed with the clerk thereof; if not so made, it may be filed with the county clerk of the county where the newspaper is printed."

". . .If not so made, it may be filed with the county clerk of the county where the newspaper is printed." That language is quite clear. Is it the practice of the Josephine County Recorder's/County Attorney's office to ignore existing Oregon Law by pleading unawareness? May I expect your office and/or the county attorney to substantiate his legal opinion, though he be presently "unaware" of such legal requirement?

May I expect your reply to this issue in writing?

Yours truly,
Raymond Karczewski©

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Re: Amerika Tries To Suppress War Crimes Documentary

Date: 2002-06-30 11:44:12 PST

H Pylori (ppgooding@rocketmail.com) wrote:

"Pooh Bear" (nobody@nobody.org) wrote in message news:3D1F4B5C.D521D0D7@nobody.org...

Shephed wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

s: >>> You guys are a bunch of paranoid fucked up morons.

pb: >> Which ones exactly ?

pb: >> Do you think that the US is so perfect that it is immune from critical comment ?

pb: >> I suggest you get real and learn something about the meaning of and reason for free speech.

pb: >> I see many flaws in the US at present - Arthur Andersen accounting seems to be implicated in not a few examples.

hp: > The point is taken, but I'd add that I don't think you will find many "flaws" that are peculiar to the United States. Greed, avarice, dishonesty, and ambition were not exactly invented here. Something tells me that they are human failings.

rk: Ah! The old "I'm flawed," "I have sinned" " I am only a human being" copout. With excuses and rationalizations like that, perhaps one can see why the psychological Hell created by conditioned civilized human beings never changes on this Earth.

hp: > Americans tend (IMHO) to hold that general freedom opens the door to opportunity for malfeasance ....but that this is a necessary fact of life.

rk: ". . . opportunity for malfeasance ....necessary fact of life?" Why do you pretend to speak for Americans, when you are only reflecting your own personal state of corrupted "politically correct" conditioned consciousness?

hp: > Our willingness to make that deal with the devil is evident when you see us screaming about threats to liberty when the buttheads try to ruin it for everyone.

rk: So what are you doing about it other than idly sitting by and just "beating your gums" on the Internet? The time for talk is long over. It is time for AMERICANS to BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT the government and the bankers/moneychangers who are behind this tyrannical push toward the enslavement of Americans through a NEW WORLD ORDER.

hp: > Making this thing work is not easy, and we like to yell at each other a lot.

rk: That is all that can be expected from cowardly anonymous, compensating, dualistic, thought-controlled ignoramuses, is it not? Don't take that as an insult, for you stand shoulder to shoulder in fellowship with millions and millions, in fact LEGIONS of other equally blind and Satanic-indoctrinated ignoramuses who prefer to don the chains of security/slavery to living a life of freedom and personal sovereignty. Read these newsgroups/boards/forums. They DO TELL THEIR STORY, DO THEY NOT?

hp: > But at the end of the day you won't find many Americans who would trade their citizenship for something else.

rk: As they all huddle together and sing to the choir of other nations..."Our chains are better than your chains"

rk: Do you want a simple solution to the present ills of the world today? Read the articles referring to the nonviolent solution which allows us as Americans to take back control of our country and our Constitution on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

Raymond Karczewski©

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Re: Amerika Tries To Suppress War Crimes Documentary

Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:11:41 -0500

Chas. 'Mark' Bee" (c-bee1@uiuc.edu) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

cmb: > Why post this, when you had nothing of any substance to add to the conversation?

rk: You have eyes, but your dependence upon a blind mechanical intellect has rendered you incapable of seeing. You are lost in your own intellectual constructs. You do not see the simple inarguable, nondualistic "WHAT IS" staring you right in the face. This is what is wrong with the SATANIC ruled world we live in. Since man's Fall from Grace," ignorance has ruled the lives of civilized man through his mistaken dependency upon a limited intellect; a dead instrument incapable of going where no finite dualistic thought has ever gone -- into the realm of NON-DUALISTIC, INFINITE TRUTH.

rk: Examine carefully the conversation below which a simple "Man of Truth," a Christ, merely mirrored to participants of a typical dualistic debate while oblivious to their own projected ignorance. It was a typical, go-nowhere, rationalizing, fragmented, petty, circular, misdirecting alternating ad hominum/self-justification argument. Where indeed was any substance found in it? I merely mirrored the asininity of it.

rk: It is the utmost of ignorance for one to mistake the Mirror for the images which the mirror reflects, is it not?

rk: You think this "civilized" attack of yours is an exception to the rule? I submit it IS the rule which governs this HELL ON EARTH.

rk: Why not prove this to yourself? It is easily accomplished. Look at any of my archived posts from 1996 to the present day. No need to scour the archives, just pick any *at random* in the GOOGLE archives. You will see this pattern has repeated itself ad naseam. How is it recognized? Just look for the terse, say-nothing, cheap shot one-liners (much like your comments). Yet who learns from it? Have you learned something from your accidental stumble into the unalterable realm of Truth?

rk: After this simple experiment, I submit that even you must agree that your comment has only succeeded in exposing your own level of consciousness to the world. Can you not SEE it arises from the realm of ignorance (limitation)? Or was your intent to misdirect reader attention onto a deceptive tangent? Isn't that what Spin doctors/disinformation types do?

rk: Go ahead, check the archives. You will see that this pattern of ad hominem attack (attack the messenger because you cannot attack the message) has gone unchanged for more than 7 1/2 years of constant assault upon my character and my posts on the Internet.

rk: Sock-puppets may come and go. They may change their names while remaining in the shadows, as they cannot function in the full light of Truth. This is the signature energy of all cowardly cheap shot-takers. Yet whatever they may do while reveling in their false sense of cleverness, the unmistakable pattern reflecting their corrupted state of consciousness remains the same.

rk: Hell, isn't it?

Raymond Karczewski©
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Re: Amerika Tries To Suppress War Crimes Documentary

Date: 2002-06-30 11:44:12 PST

H Pylori (ppgooding@rocketmail.com) wrote:

"Pooh Bear" (nobody@nobody.org) wrote in message news:3D1F4B5C.D521D0D7@nobody.org...

Shephed wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

s: >>> You guys are a bunch of paranoid fucked up morons.

pb: >> Which ones exactly ?

pb: >> Do you think that the US is so perfect that it is immune from critical comment ?

pb: >> I suggest you get real and learn something about the meaning of and reason for free speech.

pb: >> I see many flaws in the US at present - Arthur Andersen accounting seems to be implicated in not a few examples.

hp: > The point is taken, but I'd add that I don't think you ill find many "flaws" that are peculiar to the United States. Gred, avarice, dishonesty, and ambition were not exactly invented here. Something tells me that they are human failings.

rk: Ah! The old "I'm flawed," "I have sinned" " I am only a human being" copout. With excuses and rationalizations like that, perhaps one can see why the psychological Hell created by conditioned civilized human beings never changes on this Earth.

hp: > Americans tend (IMHO) to hold that general freedom opens the door to opportunity for malfeasance ....but that this is a necessary fact of life.

rk: ". . . opportunity for malfeasance ....necessary fact of life?" Why do you pretend to speak for Americans, when you are only reflecting your own personal state of corrupted "politically correct" conditioned consciousness?

hp: > Our willingness to make that deal with the devil is evident when you see us screaming about threats to liberty when the buttheads try to ruin it for everyone.

rk: So what are you doing about it other than idly sitting by and just "beating your gums" on the Internet? The time for talk is long over. It is time for AMERICANS to BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT the government and the bankers/moneychangers who are behind this tyrannical push toward the enslavement of Americans through a NEW WORLD ORDER.

hp: > Making this thing work is not easy, and we like to yell at each other a lot.

rk: That is all that can be expected from cowardly anonymous, compensating, dualistic, thought-controlled ignoramuses, is it not? Don't take that as an insult, for you stand shoulder to shoulder in fellowship with millions and millions, in fact LEGIONS of other equally blind and Satanic-indoctrinated ignoramuses who prefer to don the chains of security/slavery to living a life of freedom and personal sovereignty. Read these newsgroups/boards/forums. They DO TELL THEIR STORY, DO THEY NOT?

hp: > But at the end of the day you won't find many Americans who would trade their citizenship for something else.

rk: As they all huddle together and sing to the choir of other nations..."Our chains are better than your chains"

rk: Do you want a simple solution to the present ills of the world today? Read the articles referring to the nonviolent solution which allows us as Americans to take back control of our country and our Constitution on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

Raymond Karczewski©

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FOURTH OF JULY: Americans Celebrating Their Independence -- IS THIS A JOKE??? (Was:Re: A Tool to Clean Up Government/Media Mind Control/Disinformation on Internet)

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

rk: July 11th, 2002. This is the TENTH posting of this article (with a title change) sent from two separate servers since the original was posted but did not reach its intended newsgroups and/or archives on July 3rd.

rk: The CENSORS are at it again. Let us see if this reaches the USENET newsgroups/forums. Now ask yourselves this simple question, just what is it about the following article that those in power do not want you to understand? Could it be the redemption of your lost sovereignty? I have sent other articles to USENET newsgroups AFTER the below post was repeatedly sent. They have appeared on USENET, yet this post has not.

rk: WHY???

Ray Karczewski

rk: Internet readers who are fed up with the US Government's use of the Hegelian Dialectic in their unrelenting campaign to destroy our Constitutional Rights/US Constitution by employing and providing immunity from prosecution to Agent Provocateurs, pay close attention.

rk: These provocateurs are the anonymous government/media disinformation agents whose mission is to control the flow of information on Internet newsgroups/forums through misdirecting public attention away from serious dialogue which would address the problems of our world through launching attacks upon other Internet-using persons by utilizing techniques of gossip, inanity, silliness, and nonsense which covers a real agenda of deception, libel, defamation, and character assassination.

rk: Be not "dismayed" by it all. A new Internet *survival* weapon is at hand. It is nonjudicial in scope. It allows victimized citizens to protect themselves while bypassing conditioned reliance upon a noncaring government which promises but seldom delivers relief.

rk: The effectiveness of this approach lies in its private contractual status, placing disinformation agents individually and personally accountable via the Uniform Commercial Code, the law of Commerce, the law that rules the world.

rk: Is it effective? See the evidence for yourself. Anybody notice the clear cessation of the recent bandwagon campaign of AFAB BULLIES/SKEPTICULTISTS, government/media sponsored/supported disinformation agents in their unauthorized use of my copyrighted private property without compensating me for its use in the amount of $500,000.00 per incident?

rk: Anybody catch even a fleeting glimpse of either

1. "bluelawndart@yahoo.com (Chris), Lord Lawndart, Count of Nye, O.B.E., N.D.E., Defender of the Doublewide, Admiral of the Desert Sea, SKEP-TI-CULT® MembershipNumber: 448-50006-820 "... this is the Voice of Insomnia ..."

and/or

2. "Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed" Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253, AKA Jamie Eckles,106½ Graham, Apt C, West Memphis, AR 72301 in their persistence in the unauthorized use of my copyrighted property?"

rk: Why not write Jaime Eckles, aka dr. postman. Ask him if he intends to continue with his unauthorized use of my name.

rk: Now make no mistake, it is folly to expect that another flurry of posts will not arise to the issue, but they will come from other cowardly jackal-like, pack-running anonymous disinformation agents who feel they have covered their tracks well (such as is reflected in the post below.) These are computer experts/hackers who play "Catch me if you can."

rk: However, once identified, the game is over. This mind/control/disinformation campaign would have been over shortly after November 2nd, 1997 when I filed a Criminal Complaint with the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI had our government FBI agents honored their oath of office and done the job they are paid to do.

rk: Are these individuals prepared to forfeit their financial future in the process? Ask dr. postman.

rk: Those interested in protecting themselves may read about it in detail on my bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

rk: Since we can no longer depend upon our government to protect us under the law of the US Constitution, perhaps it is time for us to take back control of our government and restore the US Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land.

Raymond Karczewski©
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Re: Amerika Tries To Suppress War Crimes Documentary

Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:40:44 -0800

vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

On 30 Jun 2002 18:34:30 -0700, arkent@arkenterprises.com (Raymond Karczewski) wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:

rk: >> So what are you doing about it other than idly sitting by and just "beating your gums" on the Internet?

vg: > Actually, I was "beating my MEAT" on the Internet. If you would like to subscribe to my web-cam service, let me know. It's only $500,000 per year (Payable in advance!), with a money-back guarantee if you're not fully satisfied. If you can find me. Which you can't. Mr. Defective Detective Man.

Pay the fine, ya cheap shit.

-- V.G.

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Re: Spiritual Beings -- Dialogue #1

07/4/02 09:10:12 AM

seefan (seefan@hotmail.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

sfn: > Surereal,

sfn: > You said ...Your last message seefan on Elijah and John the Baptist did explain to me better your beliefs on their shared spirit. But our disagreement on their shared spirit goes directly to the essence of what we are. You are saying that we are physical beings having a spiritual experience, while i'm saying that we are spiritual beings having a physical experience

sfn: > You've mis-understood me. I believe that we are spiritual beings living in a material world through a physical body. I believe that we are spiritual being having a spiritual experience within physical reality.

rk: In other words, the spiritual essence of Infinite Intelligence acts "holistically" (uncontradictedly) within a Satanically-ruled, dualistic (fragmented), material realm of consciousness. Such a being of "unconditioned" Love sticks out like a sore thumb when judged by the "partial" intellect which greedily seeks to be the "whole."

sfn: > What needs to be addressed in this topic is what the soul or spirit of man consists of in light of his physical experience.

rk: It is the uncontradicted essence of love, is it not? In a BASSACKWARD world of dualistic Intellect's friction of opposing energies based in emotion/sensory stimulation, SUCH LOVE IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE LET ALONE POSSIBLE!! Look at the world civilized man has created for himself. Does it not TELL THE STORY?

sfn: > Being in the physical world we need a physical body. Being a spiritual being or entity we need a spiritual essence.

rk: Together as one, thus emerges, coalesces, the human being -- HU (God) MAN (Animal).

sfn: > That spiritual essence is man's soul or the life of the spirit of man. This soul is a gift from God which is attached to the physical body but is not a part of.

rk: The whole contains the part, but the part can NEVER contain the whole. That, my spiritual brother, is the essence of my oft-used characterization -- BASSACKWARD!!

sfn: > To experience physical reality, the soul get its information and experiences through the mind. "As a man thinketh, so he is!"

rk: The nondualistic essence of TRUTH, the What Is, GOD, Infinite Intelligence regardless of its man-made label, is timeless, eternal, ever present. When captured and held by the dualistic time-bound Intellect, such nondualistic energy is bifurcated into opposing streams. That is where "civilized" man has lived his Hellish existence since his Fall from Grace.

sfn: > The soul of man has all of the spiritual 'God-Like' qualities, latent within it, ready to be developed and brought forward through the physical experience! We are not reborn into anything, neither physical or spiritual for I believe that we are born only 'once'.

rk: Eternal Life, Life Everlasting, Without Beginning or End, Infinite, Timeless, without Boundaries. That is the essence of Spirit; the Christ State of Consciousness lost to men due to their consensual Satanically-imposed Amnesia.

sfn: > The reborn experience talked about in the Bible is simply a re-dedication towards developing spiritual qualities into one's life and leaving behind or moving away from material pursuits of which we had, up to that point, as our focus.

rk: The Spiritual Rebirth occurs with the death of intellect and the birth of DIVINE AWARENESS. One must end for the other to BE. It is as simple as that. Yet, how many can Truthfully say they live their lives in such a simple manner of infinite awareness? Buddha did it, Jesus did it, I do it. Do You?

sfn: > All of the information, good and bad, that we receive through the physical senses is evaluated and made understandable by the mind.

rk: The Satanically-ruled knowledge-bound intellect deals exclusively in knowledge. The Satanically-ruled knowledge-bound Intellect UNDERSTANDS NOTHING, for the essence of knowledge is dualistic while the essence of UNDERSTANDING is nondualistic. Never the twain shall meet. The rest, as they say, is civilized man's DELUSIONS.

sfn: > What is of the spiritual nature goes to the soul and is instrumental in causing spiritual growth for the individual. If we lead a materialistic, as opposed to a spiritualistic life, there is no spiritual power to use in this journey to awaken and develop the capacity of our soul. We will pass on from this world to the next as a 'spiritual cripple' and will be well-unaware of our loss.

rk: Such is the fate of FALLEN MAN.

sfn: > We will be far away from the glory of God which is what produces happiness and contentment! I believe that the soul of each individual is unique to that individual and comes to this earth only once, although love is still love, and wisdom is still wisdom, no matter in what abode it dwelleth.

rk: Seefan, you speak the words of a spiritual being, a child of God.

sfn: > From Baha'i Scriptures ...

sfn: > "You are of the Spirit! To you who seek the truth, the Revelation of Baha'u'llah will come as a great joy! This teaching is of the Spirit, in it is no precept which is not of the Divine Spirit. "

sfn: > "Spirit cannot be perceived by the material senses of the physical body, excepting as it is expressed in outward signs and works. The human body is visible, the soul is invisible. It is the soul nevertheless that directs a man's faculties, that governs his humanity. "

sfn: > "The soul has two main faculties. (a) As outer circumstances are communicated to the soul by the eyes, ears, and brain of a man, so does the soul communicate its desires and purposes through the brain to the hands and tongue of the physical body, thereby expressing itself. The spirit in the soul is the very essence of life. (b) The second faculty of the soul expresses itself in the world of vision, where the soul inhabited by the spirit has its being, and functions without the help of the material bodily senses. There, in the realm of vision, the soul sees without the help of the physical eye, hears without the aid of the physical ear, and travels without dependence upon physical motion. It is, therefore, clear that the spirit in the soul of man can function through the physical body by using the organs of the ordinary senses, and that it is able also to live and act without their aid in the world of vision. This proves without a doubt the superiority of the soul of man over his body, the superiority of spirit over matter."

(Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 85)

all the best,

seefan

Raymond Karczewski

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Re: Spiritual Beings --Dialogue #2

Date: 07/5/02 10:04:28 AM

seefan (seefan@hotmail.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

sfn: > Raymond,

sfn: > >>> You said ... In other words, the spiritual essence of Infinite Intelligence acts "holistically" (uncontradictedly) within a Satanically-ruled, dualistic (fragmented), material realm of consciousness. Such a being of "unconditioned" Love sticks out like a sore thumb when judged by the "partial" intellect which greedily seeks to be the "whole." <<<

sfn: > Your language and your terminology causes me to think and it 'hurts'.

rk: May I suggest you stop your thought process (meditate) and just pay attention (be aware) of the subtle energies which resonate within and without the images the intellect entertains. That is how one transcends the trap of dualism.

sfn: > But thanks all the same! In this above, if I'm getting you correctly (???), I'm not saying that the soul of man is 'infinite consciousness' but that the soul of man can connect with this consciousness, which I assume you are referring to as God, the "Ultimate Reality".

rk: The soul of man IS God. The soul of man IS the Infinite Reality. However, the unknown essence that is called soul via the word "soul" is merely an idea which labels that which remains eternally beyond the limited grasp of the knowledge bound intellect. Once named, the "unknown" becomes "known". It therefore diminishes in resonance to the level of knowledge and is then subject to the Satanic forces of dualism which rules the Intellect of civilized man.

rk: One must transcend dualistic intellect ("Journey Beyond Thought") to resonate with nondualistic TRUTH. One cannot get THERE from HERE (via intellectual endeavors). Use the intellect for technical problem solving. Set it aside when facing the nontechnical problems of life. Let divine awareness (surrender to Infinite Intelligence, God) guide you. That is the simplicity of it all, yet how many are able to live that way?

sfn: > I am saying that the soul of man is connecting to the infinite conscientiousness when turned to and becoming submissive to the will of God.

rk: This is the "let go - let God," i.e. nondualistic AWARENESS in operation.

sfn: > This Divine Will is for humanity to acquire spiritual qualities necessary so that we, as individuals and as nations, will become able to be of maximum services to God and to our fellow man.

rk: Seefan, ponder the energy of the above statement. Is it not intellectual? Is it not goal driven? Is it not time-bound? That alone reveals the source which rules your present state of consciousness. Is not such demonstration a mere indication of HABITUAL RELIGIOUS CONDITIONED THINKING?

sfn: > And I agree – that type of person sticks out like a sore thumb to those who are more inclined to be 'TOO' materialistic. But don't let me cause you to believe that I think we don't need to be materialistic for we need to eat, to be protected from the weather, to be healthy, etc.

rk: Does not simple "AWARENESS" solve all such nontechnical problems? It is when one engages in "overconcentration" upon the thoughts/ideas which encompass/surround such fundamental needs, that one deteriorates in consciousness and becomes a slave in the service of SATAN, the petty "god" of intellect.

sfn: > The problem comes in when there isn't a balance between material and spiritual pursuits. Too materialistic, we become too tied to the earth. Too spiritualistic, we are not grounded enough to the earth to be of service.

rk: Ah! Balance, the Narrow Way of Truth. Therein is found the answer to the ills of civilized man's world

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sfn: > >>> You said ... It is the uncontradicted essence of love, is it not? In a BASSACKWARD world of dualistic Intellect's friction of opposing energies based in emotion/sensory stimulation, SUCH LOVE IS NOT RECOGNIZABLE LET ALONE POSSIBLE!! Look at the world civilized man has created for himself. Does it not TELL THE STORY? <<<

sfn: > I think that the way I look at, what you refer to as "opposing energies, is that they are not both energies that relate to us.

rk: Such bifurcated energy stream from the one holistic (nondualistic) energy of Truth is found only in the Intellectual realm, NOWHERE ELSE.

sfn: > I see the spiritual development as an energy, but the material pursuit more as a non-entity in the sense that it does not benefit our souls which defines who we are.

rk: Spiritual energy needn't be developed. IT IS EVERPRESENT -- IT IS ETERNAL - IT IS FOUND IN THE TIMELESS MOMENT OF NOW!! It is the Satanic time-bound (aftermoment based) idea of development which seduces one from their God Given Estate of Christ Consciousness, i.e., balanced state of awareness.

sfn: > It is not the substance our soul needs to develop and grow and become more alive. We are spiritual and not material beings. We only use the physical as a vehicle. Anything that is of the physical does not benefit or do anything for our true nature. Therefore, it may be that the physical or material acquisition is a non-energy.

rk: All is energy in motion. Truth is nondualistic energy. Deception is dualistic energy. Truth IS when deception ends. BE QUIET -- PAY ATTENTION and you will understand what is meant beyond the word.

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sfn: > >>> You said ... The nondualistic essence of TRUTH, the What Is, GOD, Infinite Intelligence regardless of its man-made label, is timeless, eternal, ever present. When captured and held by the dualistic time-bound Intellect, such nondualistic energy is bifurcated into opposing streams. That is where "civilized" man has lived his Hellish existence since his Fall from Grace <<<

sfn: > You really make a person think and this is what I'm thinking about your statement at this time! Has man actually fallen from grace?

rk: The proof of that is self-evident. Such fragmented reflective thinking (partial consciousness) confuses the word. the idea, the intellectual symbol with the undefinable holistic essence it reflects. That is the source of man's confusion. That stands eternally as proof of his "Fall from Grace."

sfn: > Would this not assume that we had already arrived and have left? However, as I've said in another post, I believe that we are born with a soul equipped with all of the necessary spiritual qualities which are latent within and needs to be developed through our actions in this physical world.

rk: Seefan, you promote spiritual development. A Christ merely suggests that one merely *get out of their own intellectually-driven dualistic way* and let nondualistic Truth be their guide. When that occurs, one has died to the mind and is Reborn (Resurrected) in Spirit.

sfn: > In this case, I suppose that maybe we are already there but we need to be spiritually directed.

rk: Seefan, are you picking up on the duality of one who "needs" to be spiritually directed? Have you not split yourself into the you and the not you? Are you not thus divided? Does this division not bring with it everlasting conflict and strife? You Bet it Does!

sfn: > When we are not, it does appear that we are going in opposite directions – on one hand we want wealth and power and on the other we want to do God's Will in our lives.

rk: Dualistic, isn't it?

sfn: > In a sense we are not growing when our "dualistic time-bound intellect" is pursuing materialism as a lifetime goal - acquiring wealth and power. Is this what you are referring to?

rk: Living "atone" with Truth, one has all that one needs to face the timeless moment of life. In such a state of nondualistic consciousness, GREED IS NOT!!

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sfn: > >>> You said ... Eternal Life, Life Everlasting, Without Beginning or End, Infinite, Timeless, without Boundaries. That is the essence of Spirit; the Christ State of Consciousness lost to men due to their consensual Satanically-imposed Amnesia. <<<

sfn: > For your consideration ... You are probably right about the essence of Spirit but there can be many levels of Spirit, different in its development within the world of reality.

rk: The many levels of Spirit you speak of exist only in the Intellect, does it not? Use the intellect for technical problem solving and communication with other's via the instrument of intellect. Other than that, Intellect has no purpose. It is merely a computer-like *automatic pilot* instrument to guide BLIND BELIEVERS.

rk: BE QUIET, OBSERVE, PAY ATTENTION, BE AWARE. Let such holistic energy guide you. Let Go -- Let God!!

sfn: > The Baha'i Faith recognizes 5 levels – vegetable spirit (power of growth), animal spirit (power of the senses by perceiving the reality of things seem, Can be likened to a mirror), human spirit (grows and develops through the animal spirit but can be likened to the sun reflecting its light within the mirror.

rk: The Baha'i Faith is not unlike any other Organized Religious Thought which rules the mass mind in this civilized world of ours. It is based in Knowledge, and therefore is SATANIC in ORIGIN. I do not say this to attack any organized religion. I merely point out the SELF-EVIDENT!

sfn: > If the mirror breaks [body dies] the light still exists), the spirit of faith (this comes from the breaths of the Holy Spirit and has the power to make earthly man heavenly, imperfect man spiritually perfect), and the fifth spirit is the Holy Spirit (the mediator between God and man and is what comes directly from the essence of God as revealed through His Messengers).

rk: Promises, promises, promises, eh? Aside from the conditioned beliefs which presently rule your religious thought, whom do you personally know in your present life who ACTUALLY manifests such extraordinary consciousness? Were you to meet such a man, a Christ, would you be able to RECOGNIZE HIM? No Seefan, Christs are not the norm in civilized society. In a world of civilized intellectual ignoramuses, they are either worshipped or killed. Such is the nature of dualistic ignorance.

sfn: > You've said that the "essence of Spirit; the Christ State of Consciousness" is lost to man. I believe that it is not lost, nor was it ever outside of our consciousness.

rk: It is lost to the one who does not have it. You miss the simplicity of it and seek to prolong intellectual debate because your complexity oriented intellect will not bow to the simplicity of such Truth.

sfn: > However, my understanding concerning the Christ Spirit, is that we cannot become a Christ for this is spiritual perfection, at a different level of God Consciousness and above the ability and capacity of man to reach.

rk: Self-doubt is the very essence of dualistic thought, is it not? Hell, isn't it?

sfn: > But, I believe that our souls can come in contact with this level of Spirit and can be influenced by its power to revive and cause us to be spiritually reborn.

rk: You are still praying to a "NOT YOU" to save yourself from YOU, are you not? Such is the Satanic nature of duality.

rk: BE QUIET -- TRULY QUIET. Do not tarry at the intellectually created noisy image (self-hypnosis of commercial meditation techniques) of "quiet" for that is merely an act of self-deception which allows for an outside authority to exploit such spiritual ignorance.

sfn: > Is it "amnesia" that is the cause of us turning away from God, or more appropriately, a form of compliancy and procrastination.

rk: A dualistic dilemna, is it not?

sfn: > We are given Free-Will and are required to give up the free-will for God's Will, of our own accord.

rk: REQUIRED??? Do you see the subtlety of Intellectual bondage?

sfn: > While we need to become more God conscious and more aware of the spiritual development in our lives, we are, deep down, on some level, aware that the Spirit is there.

rk: Ah!! there you have spoken TRUTH!

sfn: > If the Spirit, or Christ Consciousness were taken away, even for one split second, if God were to leave us alone, even for one moment, we would perish in an instant and cease to exist. It is His constant power that sustains us!

rk: A projected intellectual theory, no more no less. The simple fact is that LIFE, LOVE, TRUTH, GOD is ETERNAL ---- and YOU ARE IT!!

sfn: > I believe that this level of Spirit, this Christ Consciousness, is the reflection of the Holy Spirit given to the world by God through the appearance of His Holy Messengers, His Manifestation of glory (Jesus, Baha'u'llah) . All we have to do to become aware of this power that the Manifestation releases, is to turn towards that divine force through prayer and meditation. Through continual application of the teachings of God, given by the Manifestation for this day, we can begin to feel the power and influence of the Holy Spirit in our lives.

rk: When such dualistic belief is replaced with nondualistic realization you will UNDERSTAND that which presently eludes you.

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sfn: > >>> You said ... The Spiritual Rebirth occurs with the death of intellect and the birth of DIVINE AWARENESS. One must end for the other to BE. It is as simple as that. Yet, how many can Truthfully say they live their lives in such a simple manner of infinite awareness? Buddha did it, Jesus did it, I do it. Do You? <<<

sfn: > I wish I could say that I've arrived but I'm still in the making. What I have is a willingness to search and seek out the spiritual and at times I'm even willing to try and apply those spiritual principles in my daily life so I can be of benefit to God and my fellow man. Other times, I'm selfish and self absorbed and have the self-inflicted amnesia you speak about!

rk: It has been said, "Seek and Ye shall Find". But what is it that is found and confirmed if not the idea which precipitates such blind search? You already "know" what you are looking for before you begin, do you not? Have you not put you finger on the misdirection of political and religious conditioning?

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sfn: > >>> You said ... The Satanically-ruled knowledge-bound intellect deals exclusively in knowledge. The Satanically-ruled knowledge-bound Intellect UNDERSTANDS NOTHING, for the essence of knowledge is dualistic while the essence of UNDERSTANDING is nondualistic. Never the twain shall meet. The rest, as they say, is civilized man's DELUSIONS <<<

sfn: > I believe that knowledge is a gift from God!

rk: Knowledge is a gift from the god of this civilized world "SATAN."

sfn: > I also believe that the ability to understand that knowledge is also a gift as is the wisdom to use knowledge for the progress of civilization.

rk: The Second Coming of Christ is the nondualistic Consciousness which arises when man awakens from his hypnotically conditioned dualistic Trance State. In that moment one has "Journeyed Beyond Thought, and has Broken the Bonds of the Conditioned Mind."

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sfn: > >>> You said ... Seefan, you speak the words of a spiritual being, a child of God. <<<

sfn: > I believe that we are all children of God, our Creator, even when we are not so spiritual at times. It is much easier to write on these boards about spiritual matters than to live it.

rk: When your words are your actions, the point is moot. Do this and you will change your world. From this moment on, do not LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, EXPLOIT, OR INITIATE HARM TO ANOTHER. THEN SCREW THE RULES.

rk: Now examine the simple essence of such a statement. What does such behavior reflect. Does it reflect the energy of NONDUALISM or the energy of DUALISM?

rk: Do you see the simplicity of it? That simplicity is beyond the present grasp of millions of people now living on this planet.

sfn: > This is my daily struggle as a human being! I pray that all of us can try to live that 'Spiritual Way' and not talk about it, for in living the Way we become of maximum benefit to God and to OUR fellow man.

rk: Do not "pray" for it -- LIVE IT!!

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sfn: > Sorry for the length

regards,

seefan.

rk: My best to you my Spiritual Brother and to all who have the spiritual "eyes to see and the spiritual ears to hear."

Raymond Karczewski

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