Dialogues & Disseminations

A Page for Discerning Spirits

Dialogue Links:

  1. Chris J. Brunson & Raymond Karczewski: Human Rights For Everyone
  2. Dragon & Raymond Karczewski: ANARCHY ANYONE? was: Is There a way to implement Anarchism?
  3. Raymond Karczewski: Divine Anarchy
  4. Raymond Karczewski: The Talk Of and the Talk About/ The "Wise" Man and the "Scholar"
  5. Ben & Raymond Karczewski: The Miracle of Simplicity
  6. Dale G and Raymond Karczewski: Hi Ray!
  7. Peter Sparacino, Bruce Morgen, and Raymond Karczewski: "Being Awake" Is not "Feeling Awake"
  8. David Laro, Floyd Ferris Landrath, Mark C. Nasstrom and Raymond Karczewski: "War on Drugs"
  9. Raymond Karczewski: Letter To The Silent Majority
  10. Raymond Karczewski: If You Build a Jail, They Will Fill It!!

Human Rights For Everyone

Chris J. Brunson & Raymond Karczewski: 4-15-98

Human Rights Action Coalition

Mission Statement: The mission of the Human Rights Action Coalition (HRAC) is to expose mental health abuse and provide support and advocate for persons labeled "mentally ill.."

Statement of Principles:

cjb: 1. We oppose all forms of psychiatric "treatment."

rk: "ALL" psychiatric treatment arises from psychological imbalance created within a consciousness captivated and ruled by an "outer directed," conditionable, dualistic based intellect subjected to continual and reinforced stress of societal conditioning.

rk: Confusion is the very nature of such a malleable intellect which finds its tenuous existence tied to its own dualistic based energy of contradiction.

rk; The mission statement above merely reveals an intellect based, concept driven organization which must share equal culpability with its dualistic counterpart through its perpetuation of such conflict through its avowed "opposition."

cjb: 2. We oppose the medical model of "mental illness" as defined by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) DSM guide.

rk: Transcend the realm of semantics, and the matter in dispute is quite moot.

cjb: 3. We oppose the special education system for children classified as learning disabled and emotionally disturbed, because it segregates, and limits their potential to succeed in the future.

rk: There is truth in the above statement, but such opposition only feeds and strengthens the existing momentum. Have you not yet learned the wisdom of "Resist not Evil?"

cjb: 4. We seek to education and inform people about the mental health system and its evil practices (involuntary commitment, forced drugging, restraints, electroshock, psycho-surgery, etc).

rk: In other words, you seek to "throw the rascals out," and take over with a new momentum more to your liking. That is the cry of all disenfranchised mind manipulators seeking to replace an existing political based structure and to install their own politically viable "RECONDITIONING PROGRAMS" in its place.

cjb: 5. We support new legislation that will protect individuals from false hospitalizations, drugging, experimentations and special education.

rk: It is legislation itself that has and continues to allow for such invasions of personal sovereignty to take place. Your statements sound more like that of semantic driven lobbyists than that of loving human beings.

cjb: 6. We seek to assist people who have been involuntary hospitalized in getting their full rights as Citizens' of the United States respected.

rk: Until we awaken to the confusion within ourselves, how can we help others in their confusion? Does not inward confusion only project itself outwardly in our relationships? Have you not heard the sage advice given to busybodies all--"Physician, Heal Thyself!"?

cjb: 7. We seek to improve the "quality of life" of individuals who have been harmed by the mental health system.

rk: If you haven't yet the clarity to live a quality life in relationship, and are admittedly compelled to "seek" the yet undiscovered outside means to help others, you only acknowledge your own limitations and impotence in bringing fundamental change to the human psyche, yours and theirs.

cjb: 8. We attend to inform people on their right to refuse psychiatric "treatment."

rk: Intention to act and acting are radically different energies, are they not? The energies of this mission statement reveal the ineffectual application of busy-work activities found in those who are well intentioned but lacking in personal substance.

cjb: 9. We will highlight the need to receive emotional support through alternative means.

rk: That smacks of "my concepts are better than your concepts." It is the entrapment of the psyche through mind controlled, education based, dualistic, conceptual living that is at the source of all civilized human suffering.

cjb: 10. We oppose all forms of discrimination which reduces the likelihood to succeed; racism, sexism, religious prejudices, etc.

rk: Yours is a political movement which is quite impotent when called upon to deal with matters of corrupted spirit.

cjb: If you believe in the above mission/principles, please contact us at (718) 267-2872 or email: qolspony@accesshub.net - HRAC PO Box 190084 Richmond Hill, NY 11419.

rk: Human rights, indeed!

rk: If such busybody, shallow, peripheral, bandaid approaches to the ills of society orchestrated by power oriented, organizationally minded people were to come to an end, were they to cease telling others how "THEY COULD, WOULD, OR SHOULD LIVE LIFE." perhaps a fleeting moment of insight would herald in a new consciousness replacing the old consciousness of a worn out and long-suffering humanity.

Raymond Karczewski

ANARCHY ANYONE?

(Was: Is There a Way to Implement Anarchism?)

Dragon and Raymond Karczewski: August 19th,1996

Dragon: Is anarchism real at all, or is it just a DREAM??? An escape from everything that scares? Can't anyone start a thread on how to REALLY do it? And what to do AFTERWARDS?? For how to do it may be even less dangerous and challenging than how to MAINTaIN the state of anarchy, on how not to let it become a *cracy??. For WE ARE ALL HUMANS not free from greed and longing for power (POWER-THINK ABOUT IT) iS ANARCHY POSSIBLE?? i think naught. i think anarchy is in all of us, it dies out with time and as a result of understanding the nature of things. Anarchy is different for each one. Dragon,

rk: So you want to be an Anarchist, eh? Well why not do it right! Understand the advice of the **"Divine Anarchist"** who said He was "In this world but not of it." Isn't that what true anarchy is? Living not by laws passed by corrupt men seeking power and position, but by the supreme intelligence that each of us possess but give up through doubt.

rk: Civilized men are trained hypocrites, for they are caught by the deceptions of their own dualistic minds. Dualistic minds require the need for corrupt laws made by corrupt leaders to govern corrupted human beings.

rk: A true Anarchist is an integral human being. Such a being lives life from his/her own understanding, not belief. That's the message Jesus of Nazareth brought to the world in His time. No, I am not talking about the image of Jesus Christ that was used to build a vast organization, converting or killing to achieve their present state of power.

rk: I am talking about the real Jesus. The man who bears no resemblance to the fictitious image millions upon millions have worshipped since His death. Why am I so certain of this? Because He told you who He was when He said, "I AM THE TRUTH, THE LIFE AND THE WAY." What do these three things have in common? They are all nondualistic, are they not? That means there is only one truth, one life, and one way; and it manifests as the nondualistic "What IS."

rk: All else in the human consciousness, as civilized men know it, is the judgmental dualistic realm of an image-serving intellect. This intellect, trained and conditioned into seeing "What Is" through its habitually conditioned thought patterns, twists the direct perception of "What Is" and creates the "image of what is." All image based thought patterns, regardless of their level of abstraction, are dualistic; that is, they introduce into consciousness the element of opposites, which vie equally for one's attention. That is the beginning of man's confusion and need to exercise choice. Choice is always a symptom of confusion, yet a confused man will take great pride in his ability to choose.

rk: A clear-sighted person makes no choice. He sees clearly and therefore acts clearly. A clear-sighted person is by nature an Anarchist, for he lives life beyond the level of confusion. He lives a life of supreme intelligence. He/she has no need for dualistic instruction. of life-altering laws. Such a man/woman is anathema to the system based in the thoughts of corrupt men. Since these integral Anarchists are the Truth (atonement with the whole), they serve to mirror the corruption of fragmented minds when the partial, fragmented intellects go about acting through their many fortified pretensions.

rk: Do you want to be a Divine Anarchist who is guided by supreme intelligence? It is easy. It is so simple, yet the complex, corrupted intellect refuses to acknowledge it, for, if it did, the intellect would lose its dualistic power to confuse you. What is the secret? NEVER TELL ANOTHER LIE! Easy, yes. Impossible, yes. If you can do it, it is easy; if you can't, it is impossible. To not tell a lie, one must understand what truth is.

rk: In the confused topsy-turvy, convoluted, twisted, hypnotically-conditioned realm of the civilized mind, many have been weaned on the lie since birth, and prefer to take the path of least resistance, so they become "normal" hypocrites, living a life of confusion and strife while playing off each other in the blame game.

rk: If you are one of the many who don't really understand what Truth is, I suggest the following: Get quiet, stop the momentum of the noisy mind by passively observing the cluttered thoughts that occupy your consciousness. Watch them as they come up, then fall away when you do not feed them with your energies of conditioned judgments based in like and dislike. Observe until the observer and the observed are as one. When the observer falls away and all that is left is "What IS," you have transcended the dualistic realm of deception. What is left is "What Is," and "You are That."

rk: At that moment integrity is regained, an holistic intelligence is operant, and you are now the "Truth, the Life, and the Way." You have reached the state of being experienced by Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, and others. You have touched the hem of the infinite. Now go and live your life in the state of "Divine Anarchy."

Raymond Karczewski

**Divine Anarchy**

Raymond Karczewski; June 25th, 1998

Divine Anarchy, simply put, is freedom of spirit manifest by a truthful man who understands his relationship with others while living life in a corrupt, conflict-ridden, rule-laden, thought-based world.

Divine Anarchy is the evidence of an wholistic intelligence resonating in those guided in their actions by an unbounded, nondualistic momentum of "Supreme Intelligence" man has historically labeled as "God."

Divine Anarchy is the state of being which resonates in "wise men" well beyond the ken of scholars long seduced through conditioning into the worship of the false "god" of knowledge. Such is the curse of the intellect when it strays beyond its intended technical realm.

Divine Anarchy is the essence of holistic living. It is not separative in nature, as it is the resonance of Love itself. It is the realization of oneness of being which dispels fear and confusion. It is the simplest way of living, yet it poses the utmost of threat to established political norms of this world.

It is "Divine Anarchy" that is the new consciousness which awaits the unfolding "spiritual" man. It comes to those who awaken from their hypnotic sleep of cultural conditioning.

Through open and truthful dialogue, those who have the eyes and ears to perceive the Truth will understand, integrate and grow, while the ignorant will rant and rave and disintegrate over that which they understand not. Let intelligent men not seek to bring change solely to themselves through private conversation, but share it with the world. For in Truth, YOU and I are the WORLD!

Raymond Karczewski

The Talk Of and the TALK ABOUT / THE "WISE MAN" and the "SCHOLAR"

Raymond Karczewski: November 10th, 1997

The wise man speaks of truth, the scholar about it.

The wise man is in this world, the scholar of it.

The profane regard the wise man with disdain, but revere the scholar. (Until the death of the wise man places his memory within the purview of the scholar.)

The wise man's domain is the eternal infinite, the scholar's the time-bound history book.

The wise man speaks his own words, the scholar quotes the words of others.

The wise man's intelligence is self-evident. the scholar requires credentials.

The wise man is the spirit of the word, the scholar being separate from its essence, quibbles over the letter of the word.

The wise man knows neither heaven nor hell; the scholar knows hell and speculates about heaven.

Raymond Karczewski

The Miracle of Simplicity

Ben and Raymond Karczewski: Sept 1, 1996

Dear Raymond,

I have read a number of your postings on alt.religion.newage, and was only wondering what path you followed. I briefly studied A Course in Miracles, thinking it was "the truth," until I rather, recalled that the truth had always been with me. Anyway, what you preach sounds a lot like A Course in Miracles, and I have been impressed with the veracity of your words. How did you find that which has always been with you?

Sincerely,

Ben

Ben,

Although I would not characterize what I am doing as preaching, the answer to your question is yes, "It" has always been with me, just as "It" is with everyone else. With all but a few who live their lives in a civilized society, it is conditioned out of us at a very early age in lieu of knowledge. That is the "Fall from Grace" experienced by most as familial and cultural conditioning is passed on from one generation to the next.

It is when one stops the "process" of seeking that truth reveals itself, for the search is always conducted by the intellectual mind itself. What is sought at that level is already known to the seeking person. Therefore they will find their own projected image of that which is beyond description, but it will not be real, as its foundation is of belief.

The key to understanding is honesty, simplicity, and awareness. Through awareness the tricks of the mind reveal themselves, and one begins to clean one's psychological house. With each new sweep of understanding, the clutter caused by yesterday's belief is disintegrated. When the house is clean, the mind is empty. Quietness is the result. With such quietness, the subtlest of vibrations may be discerned. In that mode one is the "Truth." When the vibration of contradiction, no matter how subtle, is noted, one is highly sensitized to the distorting "red flag" dualistic energy of the intellect. That is the only protection one needs to navigate through life. It is the "Divine Guidance" which comes with being in the "state of atonement" with God/Truth.

The realm of the miraculous is the realm of the infinite. We are all of that essence as "Sons" and "Daughters" of the infinite intelligence we call God.

The wonder of it is found not in the thinking of it, but in the "being" of it. Unfortunately, we are trained to live in our minds and therefore are subject to the pain and confusion wrought by the intellect's dualistic nature. When one learns to use the mind in its proper venue, that of the technical realm, and through awareness, the state of "being", let it rest when dealing with all else not technical, one is no longer subject to the time-bound insanity of duality, the psychological realm. Therefore Clarity IS.

You are blessed, Ben; for you, too, are able to discern the truth. Now go and share it with others. I assure you that when you do, it will not ring with the same vibration as "preaching."

As truth must be shared with all who are searching, I am going to post this reply to you on the newsgroups. The Truth of your inquiry is sought by the multitudes and should not be a matter shared only by two.

My Best to you,

Raymond Karczewski

Re: Hi Ray!

Dale G and Raymond Karczewski: July 28th, 1998

dg: Ray presumes to awaken us. In so doing I logically asked him, "How shall we be "awakened" Ray, apart from holy Scripture? Tell me if you know?"

rk: There is no how but to remove the scales of time-bound conditioning that have rendered the gullible masses blind.

rk: How implies methodology. Methodology implies conditioning. Conditioning implies hypnotic sleep. Any method offered as a replacement for the present conditioned belief system of the spiritually blind is merely "reconditioning." There exist no presumptions on my part as to your or any others "personal" awakening, for my words will fall to those who have the "eyes to see and the ears to hear." Even you, Dale, possess the awareness to see that.

dg: Ray retorts, "...how will the blind see through words what the sighted see wordlessly? How will the deaf hear the Truth though words of Truth be shouted at them? How will those who are sound asleep be awakened when they have no wish to awaken? Surely, even you see a problem in all this, do you not?"

dg: Yes Ray. I see a terrible problem that sets up a hopeless self contradiction in your presumption as an... "evangelizer???" of some sort.

rk: The contradiction, Dale, can be seen to emerge from your fearfilled act of judgment, for I do not present myself as anything more than a simple man of Truth. Certainly it is a stretch for another to characterize me as an "evangelizer." Why insert into the communicative "mix" that which is not there?

dg: You seem to want to present yourself as an enlightened critic of the establishment and prophet of some new awakening, yet you assume that none of us "conditioned" boobs has any chance to grasp your enlightened outlook.

rk: A simple man of Truth will only verbalize that which is seen in the eternal moment of NOW as accurately as language allows. Once again your proclivity for judgment allows for the phrase "conditioned boobs" to emerge from your keyboard, not mine.

dg: Thus, your evasive non-answer to my straightforward question has to make me wonder why you bother to be here in such a vocally blustery way? If we can't hope to grasp your new truth and, thus, you aren't going to get specific for that alleged reason, then what in the world is your point???

rk; Who is "We," Dale? That's somewhat like the tale of the "Lone Ranger and his faithful Indian companion Tonto surrounded by hostile indians about to close in on them when the Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says, "What are WE going to do Tonto? Tonto turns somberly to his "kemo sabe" and says, "What do you mean WE, white man?"

rk: Learn to speak for yourself, Dale, you'll find it less cluttersome.

dg: Tell ya what Ray. You share some specifics concerning your response to the passage from Galatians I cited and your spiritual substitute for Scripture, and we can see just how blind and deaf the rest of us are?

rk: There is Truth in the Bible, just as there is in every "other" religious book of authority. The problem which is shared amongst all such books of authority is that the "living Truth" lies unperceived by the masses of ignoramuses who are satisfied to live their lives at the counterfeit level of belief which protrays itself to be Truth.

rk: Dale, meditate on your first commandment: "I AM THE LORD THY GOD (Truth) THOU SHALT NOT HAVE OTHER GODS (beliefs) BEFORE ME."

rk: What would you call one who spends a lifetime looking here, looking there, traveling to the ends of the world to find that "precious pearl" yet not "seeing" that which they search for is right under their nose? Wouldn't you call that person BLIND?

dg: Until then it is a rude presumption on your part to be critical on the one hand, and simultaneously evasively unsharing of the specifics of your "improved" spiritual awakening on the other.

rk: The nourishment of spiritual food comes from the actual partaking of "Truth" which lies beyond the word. Blind believers, on the other hand, are emaciated, starving souls "taught" to subsist on the eating of menus illustrated with words and pictures which can only describe the food. Bon Appetite, Dale!!

rk: "You offer nothing in the way of evidence that anything you have said may be considered to be other than a "conditioned opinion."

dg: Ray says this to me. ...But it could just as well have been said to him

rk: Are you, a grown man claiming to be serious, really going to use the childish jibe "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you." Come now, Dale. What would the conditioned Christian "We" have to say about such questionable representation on their behalf?

dg: by anyone in the thread. From what root comes your cynically "conditioned" perspective Ray?

rk: Dale, do you understand that only a blind man would ask such a question of another? Any spiritually sighted person would SEE where another is coming from. Of what limited perspective can the infinite Truth be bound?

dg: And how blind are you to the very thing within yourself with which you arrogantly judge we others?

rk: With all humility, I may say things that you may not because I understand the oneness of that which I express. You and countless millions of other blind believers merely dibby-dabble* at it. *Forgive the kindergarten patter, but you leave me no choice!

dg: What conditioning in your revealed cynical outlook would make you throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater as you have obviously done regarding spiritual Truth?

rk: Yours are the words of a spiritual pipsqueak. They are the words of a blinded hypocrite who understands little but believes and parrots a great deal.

dg: In quoting Scripture I had cited,

rk: See what I mean?

dg: "But even if we or an angel from Heaven should preach a Gospel other than the one WE preached to you, let him be eternally condemned. As we have already said, so now I say again. If anybody is preaching a Gospel other than what you accepted let him be eternally condemned."

dg: rk quips, "Is that sorta like "my way or the highway?"

dg: No Ray. It's like, "God's way or the hellway." That's specifically, not sarcastically, what it's telling you, in plain language."My" way (Dale's) isn't any more usefull than yours unless its guided by God's Spirit. But, oh yeah, in that you caste me as being a mindless automoton. I forgot! You have a better way than God's! Though you still aren't telling. At any rate, whether you buy it or not (you don't I think) It's pretty heady stuff for a "dead" book of "dead" words written by "dead" guys.

rk: How is the menu tasting about now?

rk: Here's a clue--Paul's dead! I'm responding to you.

dg: Here's another, the "dead" book says that its "Words" are "living" and that heaven and Earth will pass away but that they sahll never pass away. Your missing the picture Ray.

rk: Dale, how can I break this to you? A menu is a menu is a menu is a menu!

dg: Obviously no concept from Scripture is going to be of influence on you

rk: Why do you insist on playing the worn out Christian trump card of projecting Christian confusion onto others through such "positive and helpful" pretensions. Isn't the bottom line what does Dale understand for Dale and what does Ray understand for Ray? You see, Dale, Hell comes into being when Dale becomes overly concerned with what Ray thinks (the mote in his brother's eye) without first understanding his own ignorance (the beam in his own eye).

rk: Dale, you'll be happy to hear that I am not in the least concerned with what you choose to believe or not believe. I tell you the Truth of what I see. You may do with it what you will.

rk: That kind of love is not recognizable by belief-ridden Christians. Their happiness lies in the effects wrought upon "innocent" nonbelievers through their misplaced and inappropriate missionary zeal for the garnering of more and more converts. What is behind such missionary zeal? Is it not self-doubt expressing itself to one whose faith is sadly lacking? Is it not the need of one so lacking in understanding that his substitute beliefs require the support which comes with the illusion of "strength in numbers?" Is not the support of such belief an attempt to smother and silence the "wee small voice" of Truth within them? The subtle essence of Truth is drowned out by the repetitious and thunderous proclamations of their "false gods" of belief?

dg: Ray.You make no bones about telling us that it's "DEAD".

rk: Dead is Dead. What else can one in Truth say about Dead?

dg: Yet, disregarding it as a source from which to draw conclusions, we could begin from another level. Paul did this with the pagan Greeks.

rk: Let us put to the test the level of your trance (along with that of your fellow Christian "WE"s). Living is eternal. It is timeless. There is no beginning or end to the living moment of NOW. If there be an end to something, that means there is also a beginning to it. In other words that which has a beginning and an end is time bound. That which is time bound is an illusion which takes place in the aftermoment of the intellect.

rk; "Aftermoment" is the key to all this. Pay attention to this NOW, for that is where you will find the Truth of what is being said. All that which finds its grounding in the "aftermoment" is DEAD. Blind believers are guided and directed into lives of willing slavery through the simple misdirection of their life's energy in the living moment of NOW. They are redirected and manipulated into a momentum of helpless obedience to the "dogmatic directives" of the aftermoment-based intellect through state and religious conditioning. In other words, blind believers, whatever their "source of faith based in images," are the "Living Dead." Their lives are not "lived" in the moment of NOW, the moment of "beingness," but in the aftermoment of thought-based belief, the "aftermoment" of "becoming." They are little more than conditioned "AUTOMATONS" motivated and energized into reaction through the stimuli of empty rhetoric--"positive imaged" though it may be.

dg: There is a "Natural" theology through which God reveals Himself and His eternal truths. It is ironic that this would be the only possible starting point to get you off of your cynical attitude concerning "Revealed" theology (Scripture, special Revelation), because you are so busy accusing me of being a preK spiritual baby....and the need to retreat from the advanced concepts of revealed theology, to the simple basics of natural theology, is an apeal to meet you as a spiritual baby, your being unable or unwilling to accept God's more advanced revelation as yet.

rk: Now, Dale, having said all that, let's put it to the test using your own words. Is THEOLOGY, "natural" or "revealed," based in the revelation of the living moment of NOW, or in the aftermoment of "conditioning?" Hurts, doesn't it when a prideful intellect is unable to see the simple truth of its own ignorance in the glaring light of Truth exposing it NOW!?

dg:: This we must assume especially since, at this point, you feel that you are here to criticize openly our "dead" and "conditioned" dullwittedness without attempting to offer any of the specifics of your "nirvana"?

rk: Dale, yours is a seduction, is it not? You are unable to face the Truth in the living moment of NOW, and so must tempt another to join you in your dualistic debate--to keep the "pot of fragments" stirring and causing friction. That, Dale, is the intellect that is afraid of it own ending, its death; yet your Savior, my Brother Jesus, told you simply that One (the mind, the intellect) must die to be reborn of the spirit. When the conflict of intellect ends in a moment of stillness, of silence, it is then that one may "resonate" in atonement with the Supreme Intelligence of Truth--that "unknowable" essence that man's intellect has labeled with the word "GOD."

dg: I encouraging Ray to "Xoxx! or get off the proverbial pot" I closed my response with, "Still curious to hear Ray's Bible substitute and response to Galatians 1:6, Enlighten away Ray!"

rk: Still clinging to your dead words I "SEE."

dg: RK retorts, "Dale, I suggest you look up the scripture regarding "casting pearls before the swine."

dg: HMMM. I am not then "worthy" of Ray's enlightenment. With a little discernment on that point...no wise man would want it!

rk: Dale, sadly but truly, in your case "wise" is just a word in a dictionary.

dg: conclusion... Dale's Final response for this thread!

Dale

rk: Ah! Final response! The death of the "dead."

Ray Karczewski

"Being Awake" Is not "Feeling Awake"

Dialogue with Peter Sparacino, Bruce Morgen, and Raymond Karczewski on August 9th, 1998

rk: In the beginning of the thread "feeling awake," Kimberland asked the simple question, "What does it feel like to be awake?"

The question remains unexamined.

One only need look at the tangents the thread has since taken and the divisive quality it has acquired.

Are not "feeling awake" and "being awake" of vastly different vibrations? Is not the latter a vibration of holistic energy which therefore encompasses the lesser vibration of "feeling awake?"

Certainly this is a topic which calls for serious dialogue. What say, John, Bruce, Eric, Pete, and all others interested in observing moment-by-moment the unfolding spirit of Truth as it manifests itself? Isn't it time to allow Truth to tell us its story? Isn't it time for serious men/women to put away the "things of spiritual childhood," the tendency to debate and compete for whatever temporal pleasures such nonsense provides? Is it not time for men and women of "good will" to speak their Truth? Is it not also time to bypass the constant traps set by those of noisy intellect whose only purpose is to obstruct, obfuscate, and misdirect the momentum of Truth as it unfolds in the moment?

Let us begin by examining the energy of awareness--awakeness. What does it mean for one to "be awake" and not merely dreamily "talk about" theories of being awake? To do so, must we not speak only of our own self- realized Truth without adding to or detracting from it? It is so easy for conditioned man to fall into the comfortable but corrupting habit of living according to the borrowed dead words of "others.".

The civilized world is a thought-based world populated by dead men. Men who, through the seduction of a power-promising, dualistic intellect, have eschewed the living energy of Truth as evidenced in the timeless moment of Now in favor of serving and worshipping the false god of knowledge which rules consciousness in the dead "aftermoment."

Through the medium of conditioning, such dead men operate from blind belief. They emulate, pretend, and parrot the "apparent" living (but actually dead aftermoment based) words of others long absent from this time-bound plane of existence. It matters not to mechanical believers that the dead authors of these words may or may not have had direct experiential resonance of that "living holistic energy of Truth."

So let us set aside the words of the dead past and allow the timeless holistic (holy) spirit of intelligence to guide us and form our words in the living moment. Anything less is sure to lead to the trap of one's own psychologically conditioned intellectual projections. That is the seduction that all knowledge bound men cannot escape. In their ignorance they do not see that they are the authors of their own thoughts. In their ignorance they do not see that the thought that is habitually reinforced soon becomes the god they come to worship. That is the enslavement of man through his own thought process. That is the nature of mind control.

Civilizations, ancient and modern alike, have risen and fallen under the same cycle of illusion.

Meditation is the out-of-time moment of silence which allows a fleeting liberating flash of insight to unburden a consciousness enslaved to the intellect. It is the simple, holistic energy of Truth which stops the momentum of aftermoment-based, linear, fragmented thought.

In a pristine moment of Self-Realization, one comes to realize the presence of a timeless, multidimensional consciousness which has always been with us but overshadowed by the linear time-bound conditioning we were subjected to as youngsters. That matrix of dualistic thought is the barrier to the realization of Truth, here and now. It is the modern day characterization of the Biblical adage, "the Sins of the Fathers shall be visited upon their Sons."

Truth is Love. Truth is Life. Truth is the Way. Truth IS!!!

All else is a corruption, is it not? Why so? Simply because all else is found in the aftermoment of a dualistic thought-based intellect. The energy of the dualistic intellect is friction, plain and simple. Such friction arises from the inherent compartmentalized fragmentation and divisiveness of a contradictory intellect.

To be awake is to "BE HERE NOW!" To feel awake is quite simply "almost but no cigar," wouldn't you say? What say you Bruce, John, Eric, Pete? Jump in here.

It's time to awaken our sleeping brothers and sisters from their "feel-good" hypnotic slumber.

Peter: Frankly I think that your "Horatio on the Bridge" stance while facing all comers in the squared circle is an attribute that is not easily dismissed by those who witness your taking on all who dare to challenge the veracity of your postings. Fill the ring with those who are in agreement with your posts plays into those hands who have alleged without any proof or success that you are the leader of a cult from whom you draw your resource and energy.

Peter: Deny them that lie. My belief is that any kind of dialogue takes away from the real issues that your post lay before all who have been following the action...especially if those who log on as being in harmony with your posts are not able to do justice to the concepts for many reasons, such as poor writing skills, inadequate grammar, or the inability to express the greater realities with spoken or written word... I recognize that your posts are not the result of intellection but rather your body becomes a mere physical conduit for the concepts that come from beyond your own human limitations.

rk: Pete, thanks for the comments. However, the time is now for the momentum of the last three years to be broken so that we as humanity may move on to a "new consciousness." In relationship with others on these newsgroups, I have amply demonstrated, through the pushing of conditioned "buttons," what the Hell of the "old consciousness" looks like. Isn't it time that we move on?

rk: At the grossest level of dualistic consciousness, the AFAB bullies have revealed the energy of Hell in quite unmistakable fashion. They operate through the corrupt medium of misdirection and deception. They constantly create "red herrings" of misdirection by skirting the essence of my posts and choose rather the tactic of attacking the messenger with deception, libel, forgery, ridicule, and character assassination. Unable to deal with the inarguable Truth contained in my posts, their only function is to misdirect reader attention onto dark and destructive tangents. But their ignorance is all they have succeeded in demonstrating with their impotent actions in these past three years.

rk: There are others who frequent these groups who see and understand the Truth of what I am saying, yet regard stepping personally into the "nest of vipers" with great trepidation. Mine is the privilege of revealing the "divine" protection afforded one who speaks the Truth in a deceptive world.

rk: It's time to awaken our sleeping brothers and sisters from their "feel-good" hypnotic slumber.

Bruce: Ray, I wish we could, wouldn't that be wondrous? The fact of the matter is that such an awakening is in other than human hands

rk: Are we not, as Sons and Daughters of God, instruments of such Supreme Intelligence?

Bruce: Yes.

rk: As such, is it really out of our hands?

Bruce: Yes, the actual awakening is a combination of receptivity and grace, our role is modest -- we are, so to speak, a pointing finger. We cannot will that the pointing be fully taken, it may be ignored by the closed-minded or there may be obsession by the empty-headed on the finger to the exclusion of that to which it points. Love bids us point, but it is a "bread upon the waters" act with no assurance of or attachment to outcome.

rk: Agreed. The problem lies in the limitation of linear language at the gross level of a fragmented intellect which attempts to distill the vastness of the oceanic multidimensional essence of holistic intelligence into the thimble of its own conceptual projections.

Bruce: -- but of course there is a task at hand for "sleeping brothers and sisters," and that's to get out of the way.

rk: Agreed. How is that to be conveyed to the encrusted, shut eyes of the long slumbering?

Bruce: As expressed above, only the "long slumbering" whose sleep includes a hint that they aren't awake are likely to pay attention. Pounding the tree trunk energetically may shake fruit to the ground, but it does not impart the requisite ripeness, that state of readiness is not under our control.

rk: But when the world of man is burning,

Bruce: It has been burning for all of recorded history, this particular millennial turn is an arbitrary marker coinciding with a mammoth scale of suffering and new technical means to increase or alleviate its physical manifestations. The urgency seen by Buddha, Jesus, and in our own time Krishnamurti, is of the same ilk that you and I see. A burning world is the inevitable result of dualistic consciousness, be it labeled secular or religious.

rk: The question remains, will those not yet ready to awaken from their self-destructive trance state resent their being rescued from self-annihilation?

Bruce: You bet they will, they are enjoying the dream of "self- improvement," "principled living," "vicarious atonement," and whatever other substitute for the truly sacred they've settled for. A "rude awakening" from such a reverie is rarely appreciated, and the usual reaction is resentment followed by a rapid return to dreamland.

rk: It is a matter of time and timelessness and the love of the spiritually sighted for the spiritually blind, is it not?

Bruce: Of course it is, I'm just pointing out that love's work is non-deterministic and no result is vouchsafed.

Bruce: Live a day, an hour, a minute, even a fleeting instant outside the box of conditioning, and when thought returns as it must let it be as a faithful scribe and determined communicator rather than an engine of comparison, deduction, association, and inference.

Bruce: Gil asked "what does it feel like" and the simple answer is that "it" is indescribable, because it is by its very nature untouchable, let alone graspable, by thought -- it is the role and position of thought as the default perceptual filter of consciousness that prevents the direct experience of the truly sacred that theists call "God."

rk: Yes, yet it is closer to the core of one's being than the outer peripheral thoughts one has been conditioned to identify with.

Bruce: Closer even than that, it is* "the core of one's being!"

rk: Yes. The same Intelligence operating through our words has distilled the essence of "beingness" into further clarity even though appearing to arise from the multiplicity of Bruce and Raymond. That is the true embracing nature of dialogue, the antithesis of dualistic divisive debate.

Bruce: The reaction of thought-driven, rote-conditioned "minds" to such an assertion seems to fall generally into two camps.

rk: Ah yes--the dualism of description overwhelms the nondualism of direct perception when the insatiable appetite of the hungry blind feed upon the peripheral letter of the word and miss the essence the words reflect. In your comments above, I see that you point with words. Is not that the very essence of the term "necessary evil?"

Bruce: Absolutely, communication is a child of thought, and in most cases thought is the master and assumes this is the case in the communications of others. Thought in service is anathema to thought caught up in the delusion of mastery.

rk: Words, the very means required to communicate at this gross level of intellect, become the obstacles themselves to such communication. I wonder how many are able to see this. Those asleep hear the same words, but with "closed spiritual eyes." They remain at the level of belief, never seeing what it is that they are believing in.

Bruce: Of course -- with thought's englobement of consciousness in place all there is is "the level of belief." Thought is both the believer and the concoctor of beliefs!

rk: Yes, both Master and Slave. God and godless. The illusion of "Me and Thee." Submit these illusions before the eternal Mirror of Truth, and the disintegration of the nonholistic images ultimately reveals the essence of Love that is the Oneness of All, and "THOU ART THAT I AM."

Bruce: In the absence of dualistic juxtaposition, there is only love. Everything else we call love is a tiny subset at best.

Bruce: The first comprises (s)he who cannot conceive of human consciousness without the constant interpretive intervention of thought and says "impossible" with great assurance. This is reaction of the unreceptive, of those whose conditioning prevents open- mindedness. The second comprises those "minds" whose conditioning does not lack receptivity but immediately demand to be taught "how" -- and are willing to give almost anything, including their very personal sovereignty, to follow and learn "how," the "mind" bespeaking gullibility or empty-headedness which yesterday followed someone else and tomorrow may well follow yet another.

rk: Yes, both appearing to be quite dissimilar, but deeply, fundamentally, of the same vibrational realm of intellect.

Bruce: Splendid observation, Ray. Both the devoted intellectual and the "New Age" spiritual dilettante are thought-driven mentalities, *much* more similar than they are different. Both operate from belief.

Bruce: Between the two camps is the narrow way that is receptive without gullibility, the way that questions both its established conditioning and the unfamiliar assertions of others with equal sincerity and determination to accept only the unvarnished truth, regardless of what it is and what it may imply or cost. Surely it is to these "brothers and sisters," not quite "sleeping" but already questioning whether they are awake, that love bids us speak -- and just as surely these men and women will not settle for a second-hand hint of "What does it feel like," but rather will step off into profound silence and solitude to meet the unknown head-on.

rk: Thank you, Bruce . . . well said!

Bruce: You're welcome, Ray, thanks for the opportunity.

War on Drugs

This a repost of a discussion thread "PDX POT COPS" written in April 1996 held by David Laro, Floyd Ferris Landrath - Director American Anti-Prohibition League, Mark C. Nasstrom and Raymond Karczewski. It goes to the very heart of the matter the US Government calls the "War on Drugs."

DL: I reject your apologetics and irrational reductionism, we are talking about people, their lives and basic welfare. This is NOT an abstract exercise in legal ethics, or the lack there of. In the REAL world, if the "law" does more harm than good, then IMHO it is OK to disobey it, contest it, and work together in non-violent ways to change it.

FL: Well this is one "legalization guy" who's not bashful. I think the name of my organization, the American Anti-Prohibition League, pretty well says it: I'm against adult drug prohibition. While drug use and abuse are problems society must somehow deal with, the absolute prohibition of drugs makes them even bigger problems. It's clear to me that adult drug prohibition perpetuates America's long-standing "race war," generates crime and corruption, breeds disrespect for all laws, and exposes young people to drugs. Slippery slope? Look again John, we've been rushing down a slope for a long time already. And you support this?

DL: NO, Floyd, you are not bashful. Not particularly persuasive, either, when you try to duck responsibility like here. It isn't right to blame society for punishing a law-breaker. I recognize the slope you mention, but can not think of a way to stop it. You certainly have not suggested any solution which appears workable to me.

regards,

David

Dear Floyd and David,

As a retired California Police Sergeant, my view is that the "War on Drugs" is a sham. It is a joke, but no one is laughing. The "War on Drugs" is a government phantom "busy work" created program orchestrated through the cooperation of a cooperative media which, in effect, allows government to strip away further the civil liberties of the "people."

It has created a "great self-serving industry" for itself and is not about to let it go. It is one of the primary bread- and-butter programs leading to confiscatory practices by the government, without its agents having to follow due process. The war on drugs, with its intimation of money laundering, is how our currency has been debased without suspicion by a conditioned populace. It, the "war on drugs," also serves as the harbinger of a declining, corrupt society. It remains to be seen just how long a sleeping citizenry will stand for it before the people take personal responsibility for their collective plight.

If we awaken sooner to it, a nonviolent solution to the problem of an inert populace is a distinct possibility. If the awakening should come later, though, violent bloodshed will be all that is left for us. We are being pushed into violence through steady, incremental pressure, applied through subtle conditioning, to react violently so that further liberties we take for granted may be stripped away.

Our money standard has been destroyed. We are increasingly and relentlessly being directed toward a mindset of nonresistance to the acceptance of an imposed computerized, cashless society of a New World Order. It is already underway here in Oregon with the implementation of restrictive access through "credit cards only" for food stamp and other welfare program recipients.

The slow, subtle stripping away of sovereignty goes unnoticed by the average dulled, conditioned mind. Once the program is initiated, there can be no going back. All that is left for these incredulous taxpaying voters is to obey their so-called civil servants, who have suddenly emerged as their "masters" then "captors" when they are directed to the proper boxcar for their final destination. Have we not learned anything from history?

The government is us; you and me, along with our neighbors. Government is not the faceless money people who pull the strings of our representatives in Washington and elsewhere. For a rather indepth look at how all this has become possible in our present day society, consult my home page regarding :"Christs with Amnesia."

Raymond Karczewski

Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:58:44 (Mark C. Nasstrom) writes: Now, *that* was a refreshing post, Raymond! I am in total agreement, looking at it from the same side of the fence you have/had. Meanwhile, the *violent* criminals are On The Streets. :(

MN: BTW, Congrats on your retirement. Glad you made it in one piece! Again, Well Done! --Mark

FL: Hi Raymond, Thanks. A very cogent and on point observation. Now the hard part. How the hell do we stop this slide without resorting to violence? In solidarity for "Drug Peace!"

Floyd Ferris Landrath - Director American Anti-Prohibition League

*** DRUG WAR, or DRUG PEACE? ***

Floyd,

rk: The simple answer to your question is for the populace to take back control of their (our) money. Check out my homepage with specific attention to "Christs with Amnesia." The answer to your question is in the tape series. The tapes are a rather comprehensive look at civilized society and the corruptions therein brought about through mind control. When the populace is able to see how they have been and are being manipulated through media and governement, life becomes a whole new ball game. Sorry I can't be more specific at this time, but email is not the proper vehicle for communicating such matters. The other point I would make is that I am retired; not an activist.

Ray

Sorry for reposting your entire message, but it was well worth seeing again. I can't help but recall the following words from the Declaration of Independence:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

We desparately need to get off of our butts. -jmr

A Letter to the Silent Majority.

Raymond Karczewski, June 25th, 1999

1. The Golden Rule of the world....Those who hold the gold, make the rules...and those who make the rules win the Game.

2. Gold, or money is the material symbol of one's personal energy. If. you have it you are secure and fulfilled. If you don't have it you are diminished and fearful.

3. Society is an organized club whose membership is ultimately based in consent. All organizations are exclusive, therefore are divisive or separative by their very nature.

4. All clubs (countries, religions, etc.) are made up of leaders and followers. Ideally (not realistically) the leaders make the rules while the followers support and abide by them.

5. The world of mind is a closed dimension wherein energy is neither gained or lost, but merely redistributed, inevitably from the "have nots" to the "haves," and then through revolution back to the "have nots."

6. In the illusory world based in man's thought, manipulation of thought is power.

7. Those who have power, the "haves," are the manipulators. Those who are relegated to being the "have nots," are the manipulatees.

8. Illusion is necessary for this world to exist, for "perception of truth" is given more importance than "Truth" itself.

9. Without the vast resources of energy possessed by the followers (the have nots) who consent to give up their personal energy through taxes and tithing to the leaders (the haves), the rulemakers could not achieve their agendas nor continue to wield control over the have nots.

10. In this world, equality can be found NO WHERE! However in politics, the illusory substitution of the "perception of equality" abounds and is highly touted by the leaders in their routine manipulations of the minds of their followers. Such is the deceptive nature of images which give rise to the empty promises that accompany the use of such manipulative techniques of mind control.

11. When the rulemakers take absolute possession of the money through the artifice of purposely designed fear-evoking events, either through their divisive manipulation of groups or through the use of carefully selected provocateurs, fear becomes the instrument which throws one off balance and into self-doubt. It is this psychological imbalance which causes one to sell their soul into a life of slavery for the illusory promise that ease and comfort will be their just return.

12. To this date, no civilization (organized club) has survived, for its destruction is factored in at its inception. Such is the nature of the world based in man's dualistic thought.

The above guidelines (which may not be intellectually grasped by all, but certainly can be felt through the deeper, intuitive sense possessed by each of us) is what is known as "Civilized Society." To those who are guided by the spirit of intelligence, who have the "eyes to see," they know it to be labeled by the word--HELL.

This dimension of existence shared by all on this planet, is merely a training ground for the spirit. It is through the understanding of an individual who is "equal to all, but servant to none" that such understanding of the intrinsic violence of the dualistic ruled intellect can be unconditionally shared with others . That is Love. That is what will stop the insanity presently underway in our world.

What is the present crisis facing us today? We are being forced toward a cashless, computer-based, one world society. What's wrong with this picture?

For one thing, the same present group of anonymous elitists who are the manipulators of the international bankers pulling the strings of governments and corporations alike in setting prices for the cost of living today, are the architects behind the illusion of the New World Order. They are in the process of consolidating their power through their empty promises to you of comfort, ease and security to your life while they relentlessly maneuver us through price setting to the point of total enslavement to the club's membership. These artificially set prices always outstrip the amount of money you and I may possess at any given time. Hence we are lured into a relationship of enslavement through the seduction of credit. The mechanism is no different than the slavery reminiscent of the Old Company Store, only this one's "Big Time."

Gold and silver no longer back our money. The government has relinguished its constitutional responsiblity of coining money to a private corporation, the Federal Reserve. This arm of the world banking community has only one allegiance. You now know who it is. The pricemakers are the money printers. Hence a steady escalation of prices creates a need from more printed money. thereby devaluing the currency. Such is the man-caused disease called inflation.

What's the solution? Take charge of your life and your money! If you must belong to the club of society, make it the kind of club you want to belong to. Take possession of your money, strip it away from the money handlers, and our world will change instantly. Renegotiate your employment contract with your employer so that you receive a full day's pay for a full day's work. Don't allow it to be stripped away from you through your voluntary consent to a witholding agreement. With that simple but major act, not only have you, as a "have not," been restored to a state of equality, you also will bring the elitists to experience the same equality. Our present world would collapse overnight. That is the point of true rebirth for our world. Then you decide how to fund your government. If you think you have that choice now, you are simply operating under an illusion. Follow the money trail, it will take you to the rulers, It certainly doesn't stop at the rather impotent level of world governments. The money is your life's energy, surely you should know who you are giving your life up to. Shouldn't you?

Ray Karczewski

If You Build a Jail, They Will Fill It!!

Raymond Karczewski, May 10th, 1998

Government is not the faceless money people who pull the strings of our representatives in Washington and our local governments. The government is us; you and me, along with our neighbors. It is time for us to vote with our pocketbooks, and not be driven to fearfully respond and be exploited through the medium of empty rhetoric.

Force, fear, and mind-control is the dying momentum of the old consciousness which has ruled man on this earth since the earliest of civilizations. What difference in essence is there from ancient Egypt ruled by Pharoah over an entire race of people held in bondage, and the present move toward a cashless "New World Order" ruled by multinational elitists and bankers? When the rulemakers and the moneyhandlers call the shots and control the measure of human production (money), there is nothing else it can be called but slavery.

Building new jails without establishing a clear consensus from its supporting taxpayers as to just what constitutes criminality will only serve a runaway judicial/penal system bent on creating forced inmate slave labor camps in service to a "New World Order." This approach has already been tried and failed earlier in this century, only then the criteria for incarceration into these "concentration camps" was merely a matter of racial "inferiority" in relationship to a "Master Race."

If you feel this statement to be outrageous, think again. One only need look to the penal reforms which have already been established incrementally with little fanfare in a number of states (most notably California, Arizona, and a few Southern states) by a return to chain gangs, tent cities, and mandatory jobs for inmates compensated with, you guessed it, slave wages. The German people learned a hard lesson. Will America be spared from repeating their mistakes?

If fear is to be the mechanism of motivation, then let such fear find itself in the consciousness of intriguing bureaucrats and elected officials who have forgotten those whom they took an oath to serve. Taxation without representation is how this country got started. Let us not forget it.

Raymond Karczewski

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