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While most of you who are reading this hypnotically slumber away your lives, completely unaware of how you and your loved ones are being controlled in your lives by those who seek to imprison your minds and souls through the medium of mind control, the battle for your personal freedom and sovereignty as a human being goes on right under your noses.
How many of you are AWARE of it?
Here is the latest attack launched by government/media sponsored/supported disinformation agents who are little more than Internet psychological "terrorists," and who through such vicious, "Satanic" tactics are able to control the information flow on these Internet newsgroups/forums.
Ask yourselves how many of you reading this would be able to stand up under such libelous attacks on a near-daily basis for five years.
Pay attention to the attacks below made by these shadow dwelling anonymous cowards who, when exposed on other groups, have found a "need" to drop their high profile handles and adopt the present format below. See if you can't spot the signature essence of ed wilkinson, glen quarnstrom, tim hill, etc. in the posts below.
Why did these stalkers/terrorists announce their retirement from their secure, high profile groups (alt.fan.art-bell, alt.paranormal, etc.) which they have sought to control for years only to take up the same momentum formatted differently under a host of "throwaway" aliases?
Pay particular attention to the vicious content of these cowardly attacks as these anonymous character assassins incrementally seed your minds with their relentless, concerted campaign of repetitive libels which count upon the cumulative effect of these attacks upon the subconscious realm of the unaware and the ignorant.
Ask yourself also: Could they accomplish their goals if they were to be required to affix their true names on their posts in order to responsibly back up their words?
Note, if you will, the curious circumstance that it is the media itself which has provided the platform to allow for such libel to flourish, while the same media eliminated/censored my earlier posts when these attacks were first addressed on their forum. BASSACKWARDS, eh?
If you are unable to see the simple truth that if they can do it to me, they can do it to you, you might as well get fitted for your chains of slavery, for surely you shall get that which you deserve.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of ed wilkinson and other assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Fair Warning about Ray's Website
Re: A Revolution in Human Consciousness: (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:09:08 GMT
From: Be careful about personal info (unknown)
Fair warning about Ray's website. Ray monitors all visitors to his site, and has turned over addresses and ISPs to various government agencies since he's convinced everyone is in on the "AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT government/media organized/funded/supported conspiracy" against him. He has already done this to several Usenet patrons, turning over their information to the FBI, CIA, various Congressmen, etc., and demanding the people who visited his site be investigated. No government agency has or will take Ray seriously, for obvious reasons, but anyone logging on to Ray's site should realize he will in fact monitor them and release their names to various agencies when the mood strikes him as part of his extreme mental disorder. Given how unstable he is and that fact he's getting worse every day, watch out if you give him any information about your e-mail address.
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Excellent advice
Re: Fair Warning about Ray's Website (Be careful about personal info)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:30:05 GMT
From: Understatement of the Year (unknown)
This guy is profoundly sick, and is getting worse every day. The problem with Ray is you can never tell what paranoid fantasies are going to suddenly enter his head and how they will relate to you. If he decides you're Chief Executive of the New World Order (or of the AFAB/SKEPTICULT?ROYBOT etc. plot) and you're out to get him, he'll give your name out to anyone who will listen to him. Stay very far away from this site and the man himself: he simply cannot be trusted to act in a sane, rational manner.
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This guy needs medical attention
Re: Call Ray
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:36:46 GMT
From: Will someone help him PLEASE? (unknown)
It's only a question of time before Ray totally loses it and really hurts someone (beyond, of course, reporting innocent people to every government agency forced to listen to his crackpot delusions of persecution). Why has no one made arrangements to get this guy and his wife serious medical treatment?
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Shall we take our taxes back from YOU Ray
Re: A Revolution in Human Consciousness: (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:11:03 GMT
From: Get a job, earn your living, and shut up (unknown)
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Take responsibility for yourself and your wife Ray
Re: Shall we take our taxes back from YOU Ray (Get a job, earn your living, and shut up)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:33:34 GMT
From: Act like an adult for a change Ray (unknown)
You have no authority whatsoever to lecture anyone about social and political responsibility. You're a parasite, both you and your wife have refused to work for decades, and you depend on us and our tax money completely to feed, clothe, and shelter you. This is a gross abuse of the tax-paying public, and if you really want anyone to grant you any credence, you'll stop living like leeches off other people and act like adults. You have heard of this, haven't you Ray?
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Indeed IT IS TIME Re:
Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:30:52 GMT
From: Concerned Citizens United (unknown)
How The Civil Commitment Process Begins
1) The commitment process may be started by a county health officer, a judge, or "any two" persons filing papers in court. Or, the process may be started by a doctor or community mental health program director ordering a person to be held involuntarily in a hospital. ORS 426.070; ORS 426.228 through ORS 426.234.
2) When the papers are filed, the CMHP program must send out a mental health investigator to interview the person and others who know about the person. This investigator advises a judge whether or not to hold a court hearing. ORS 426.070; ORS 426.074.
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This is hysterical and makes no sense
Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:33:20 GMT
From: Stop attacking people Raymond (unknown)
Only in your absurdly overwrought imagination could complacent "ignoramuses" be on the point of a "bloody revolution." Do you even understand how you contradict yourself when you attack others in such terms? Find something worthwhile to do with your life. Attacking people because you're unhappy with yourself only diminishes you even further.
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` I don't understand
Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:03:35 GMT
From: Please shut up now (unknown)
You've been whining daily for people to force the FBI to bring its "investigation" to a close, but you've known all along there is no investigation? You said the FBI never answered you, but it looks like they did and repeatedly, only they simply didn't do the insane crap you want them to. What are you doing man? Why are you making such an unholy spectacle of your own mental illness? I'm sorry you feel so unhappy with yourself and the fact no one respects you, BUT HOW COULD THINGS POSSIBLY BE OTHERWISE, given such infantile and paranoid behavior? You need to be a man now Ray, get hold of your emotions, and understand that the way you've devised to explain why people dislike you so intensely has no basis in fact, and therefore simply cannot be investigated. THERE IS NOTHING HERE TO INVESTIGATE, only contempt for an arrogant hypocrite GET IT?? People just hate flaming hypocrites like you proclaiming themselves spiritual authorities: did you somehow miss the Baker and Swaggart scandals? You're in questionable company Ray, except Baker and Swaggart had the good sense not to attack everyone around them when they got caught in their hypocrisy. This cannot come as a surprise to you, since everyone else has been telling you as much for years now. Will you please stop posting: you drag the entire state of Oregon straight into your sick slime.
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Always impotent and angry
Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:48:34 GMT
From: You revel in bitterness (unknown)
Let your rage and bitterness go. The only thing you can teach anyone about power is what it looks like to have none, and to be enslaved and manipulated by your own overwhelming ego. This vast conspiracy you've dreamed up in your head has blown up in your face, as was obvious from the outset: you're a joke across the board, and you're only making it worse by posting such grandiose and ridiculous proclamations of anger and impotence. That "pandora's box" you're referring to must be the psychiatric problems spilling from your head even as I type. I would be very glad if I never heard another word from your vile mouth again.
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Here's what wrong with this picture
Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:51:48 GMT
From: You're a conceited old fool Ray (unknown)
You are obviously an infinitely narcissistic and stupid person who for some reason thinks your delusions of persecution and sacred grandeur must be taken seriously by the world. The problem is you're a paranoid, conceited fool, and you make this fact painfully known every time you post something on the Internet. You should be forcibly hospitalized to keep you from threatening and attacking people on a daily basis. THE FACT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN MADE TO RECEIVE MEDICAL TREATMENT to stop your threatening behavior after so many years is what's wrong with this picture. Now shut up!
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sm
Re: Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:44:43 GMT
From: Look beyond your sickness Ray (unknown)
rk: I look around on the net. All I see is chaos, ignorance, and imbalance expressing itself.
Then stop rereading the same stupid messages you're constantly re-re-re-reposting. Nobody cared the first time about your anger, bitterness, and narcissism.
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Way up there on the irony meter
Re: The real danger of narcissism (Look beyond your sickness Ray)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:48:32 GMT
From: You're getting sicker by the day (unknown)
rk: Ignorance is the unmistakable energy of conflicted momentum based in emotional reaction when one's freedom, one's space has been systematically stripped away and one has no alternative but to lash out in narrowness, in frustration, in anger.
GOD ALMIGHTY MAN: you don't get any closer to self-portraiture than this!!! Open your eyes and stop this infinitely sick display of self-hatred: nothing you post has anything to do with other people; it's just your indirect and thus safe way of dealing with your own mental illness. You're better off under medical attenton Ray: you're getting sicker by the day.
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Bad thinking
Re: The real danger of narcissism (Look beyond your sickness Ray)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:06:31 GMT
From: Get better Raymond (unknown)
Raymond, the fact so many people intensely dislike you doesn't necessarily indicate "ignorance, chaos, and imbalance." This much is obvious even on the most basic level. There are excellent reasons you've encountered the problems you have throughout your life, and they are all directly attributable to your own ceaselessly abusive, arrogant behavior. You're not a particularly intelligent man, nor are you educated and accomplished, and the last thing anyone could say about you is that you demonstrate any spiritual insight or grace at all. Again, no one could dispute any of this. You're better off falling silent: you will never convince anyone of your superiority on either an intellectual or spiritual level carrying on like a bratty child who thinks he knows it all, no matter how desperately you try.
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You're the only one being manipulated into violence
Re: Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:50:02 GMT
From: WHY ARE YOU CONSTANTLY ON THE ATTACK??? (unknown)
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Exactly Ray
Re: So many of you do not like Ray. (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:14:49 GMT
From: (unknown)
Every single insult, threat, and tantrum issues form you and you alone. Let people see and understand this, and they will understand the full extent of your hatred, bigorty, aggression, and mental illness. You've been this way fro many years now, and you cannot deny it. How DO you explain the fact you have no friends, family, or society except your computer and meglomaniacal mental illness? You were told years ago you were damned sick and to do something about it and you never did: you just embraced your own dementia and proclaimed it spiritual insight entitling you to abuse the rest of humsnity. You know where you can og.
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This IS a question of WHEN, not if
Re: I doubt you've threatened Cosmo...YET (Let him check back with us when you do)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:24:51 GMT
From: Cosmo has no idea what you are (unknown)
Cosmo must have some impression you're just some Internet character. Invite him down to spend some time with you and let him see what he's done here. WE KNOW YOU RAY, and our rejection of your arrogance, threats, and abuse is informed, exactly unlike Cosmo's informed lukewarm defense.
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Pretty abject
Re: I doubt you've threatened Cosmo...YET (Let him check back with us when you do)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:32:03 GMT
From: Worship something worth worshipping (unknown)
Hmmm. I must admit to being stunned at times by the human mind. So, Cosmo, you say at least Ray knows who he is? Well, Ray thinks he's God, and apparently you accept him as such. You might want to consider what it is you're worshipping as your God, or at least meet the man. Ray is not God, and is not even a good person. He is full of hatred for humanity, overcome by his own anger, arrogance, and paranoia, and regularly torments local and national officials with his delusions of being persecuted by "AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT government/media/New World Order organized/funded/protected/encouraged disinformation agents" who are out to destroy him. I don't know you, but I don't understand anyone taking such a person for God.
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Does he know everything Ray says about himself is a lie?
Re: I;m waiting for Cosmo to actually spend some time with you (His words spring from PURE IGNORANCE)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:35:36 GMT
From: Ray is pathological deception (unknown)
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Let Ray take his sickness to the grave
Re: So many of you do not like Ray. (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:20:23 GMT
From: We never threatened anyone (unknown)
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So who is it...
Re: So many of you do not like Ray. (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:28:46 GMT
From: You're pure hatred Ray (unknown)
So Ray, who is it that reflexively leaped to the conclusion because people disagree with him and reject vicious abuse, they must be investigated by the FBI, CIA, White House, Congress, journalists, and anyone else you can temporarily convince to take you seriously enough to hear you out? YOU, that's who. NOT EVEN ONE OTHER PERSON DID THIS, ONLY YOU RAY, WHICH IS THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE UNIVERSALLY DESPISED. Make no mistake about it, and you can jam your attempts at misdirection: anyone checking out the Usenet archives will see the entire, sick picture of your mental illness spelled out in black and white.
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So many of you do not like Ray.
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:12:04 GMT
From: Cosmo (unknown)
Is it because he is either hitting a nerve, or are his words describing concepts you cannot wrap your clotted minds around, or things you know are valid and just choose to ignore?
Granted the man could use a class on style, many of you, like the lemmings you perform as on most days are just happy to follow the crowd and dump on the man.
He has the courage to be who he is, and know about what he is. Set your sights on understanding others and some abilitiy to accept anothers words and that is what you will get.Set your standards on bullheadedness, shooting from the hip, and stomping on other folks and, well you get the picture.
Are you not ever going to tire of ridiculing some other persons' or groups' values and ideas. Take it to the grave. Come back and do it again.
Listen, grab, hold on, understand. Have some dialog outside of the narrow bandwidth you all create for yourself.
Were I to make a choice between being confined with Greg Laux or Ray, Ray is surely the more intelligent man.
We all end up with what we create in our minds. Wanna go further, or stay where you are?
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Re: Five years of your life? (It'll never happen, GET IT?)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:03:55 GMT
From: Live with the disrespect: you deserve it (unknown)
We're supposed to kiss your ass because you haven't shut your paranoid, abusive mouth in over 5 years, though everyone, but everyone, has told you to??? That's your decision you jerk, and a damned bad one at that, one that has WASTED your life and our valuable time. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU OR YOUR OPINION: you're a self-indulgent creep who lies about everything, which has led, quite predictably, to you being a joke wherever you go. LIVE WITH THE DISRESPECT: I cannot think of a more deserving recipient than you Ray.
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Five years of your life?
Re: Resounding acclaim for Raymond Karczewski (Cujo)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:01:00 GMT
From: It'll never happen, GET IT? (unknown)
You've "devoted" them to nothing Ray. Five years of psychosis, abuse, narcissism, and arrogance has meant nothing, AGAIN NOTHING, to anyone but your own pathological mind. Don't come back and b**ch at us because you suddenly realized you've wasted what little life you have left. How many times have you been told to get medical help and start living, for Christ's sake? AND YET YOU"RE STILL POSTING THE SAME INSANE CRAP, SOMETIMES REPEATEDLY THE SAME DAY TO THE SAME LISTS?? Are we supposed to respect your utter lack of self-control? It will never happen, never in a million years, GET IT?
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Voting advice from a social parasite?
Re: Don't vote, don't vote self-indulgent blah, blah, blah (Ray "Listen to me I'm God" Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:10:44 GMT
From: Thanks Ray, again. Sheesh! (unknown)
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~ You my friend,may be about
Re: Not very inspiring Ray. (You're pretty much a joke here.)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 03:07:19 GMT
From: Cosmo (unknown)
to have yourself had then. You are the joke. You probably are employed and lulled into complacency by a paycheck. Skip, and another day in your life, and skip, another year gone by. What will you be or do that is not utterly predictable?
Skip, and another life ends. Another insconpicuous crumb fallen. Never really having breathed deeply and known what it is to be truly alive and utterly free of those invisible binds which have been forced upon you since for so long that you have no idea who and what you really are.
No wonder this man says for you to WAKE UP! He is right! Also 'GET IT ON and LIVE WELL' might be added for some spice. People often chide some things they have a hard time wrapping the weak mind of a mortal man around, never using the mind and seeing through the eyes of the greater being we are all a part of. Make your own choice though.
Ciao, Cosmo
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Dude, you are so behind the times
Re: It Is TIME. . . ! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:23:32 GMT From: Purple Screaming Jesus (unknown)
The rest of us ascended to higher consciousness about ten years ago. I guess you missed it.
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Shove your screeds jerk
Re: Not one soul gives a damn about you or your opinion (You're of no consequence at all Ray)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:07:27 GMT
From: Take your threats elsewhere you moron (unknown)
Next time anyone needs the opinion of an uneducated, stupid, vicious, arrogant, and deeply fraudulent psychotic, we'll be sure and ask you first. Given your decades-long history of living off public moneys because you refuse to earn your own living, preferring instead to constantly lie about yourself and threaten virtually everyone over the course of decades, don't hold your breath. Until then, don't repost the same paranoid screed over and over on the same day.
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I do: keep this piece of s**t away from the voting booths
Re: Who the hell asked you to vote Ray? WE DON'T CARE A**HOLE (Who the hell asked you to come to Oregon)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:10:01 GMT
From: Pull your head out of your anus Ray (unknown)
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"Psychotic" is the least you could say
Re: "Christs with Amnesia" (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:46:26 GMT
From: Get used to our freedom of speech kook (unknown)
rk: It is the essence which threatens our Constitutionally guaranteed rights to responsible Free Speech on and off the Internet by a government which has clearly demonstrated that it has turned its back on it citizens.
So it's been established you've posted over 1,000 posts in the past few weeks to scores of web boards, lists, and forums, and you claim your freedom of speech is endangered? Further, apparently you believe you're the only person who has this right to free speech? People have the right to their opinion of your mental illness and constant, hysterical abuse: if you claim your right to free speech, so do they. THAT'S what the FBI, CIA, Congree, etc. are protecting by refusing to act on your groundlessm psychotic claims: censor one person, censor them all. What you really want Ray is to be the only person allowed to speak, to determine what can and cannot be said, and control virtually everything. I guess you really DO take yourself for God: get real. You have rights ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS. Get used to it.
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Get a grip on yourself you hysteric
Re: "Christs with Amnesia" (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:58:25 GMT
From: TRVTH hurts, huh Ray? (unknown)
The real question is why the skepticultists' articles have threatened you for so long that such a tireless, unrelenting, personalized disinfotainment campaign has been launched by you to silence others (it's all there in black and white in the DejaNews archives). It's really quite simple, isn't it? The words of others have waked the persecuted vestige of sentience in your addled pate.
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There's no libel without a lie
Re: "Christs with Amnesia" (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:09:03 GMT
From: 100% TRVTH about you Ray and Anita (unknown)
There's no grounds for a libel action unless someone has told a lie about you. Your problem is absolutely everything people say about your extreme mental illness is 100% TRVTH. You're better off looking hard at what you've turned into: it's ugly, abusive, arrogant, psychotic, and possibly dangerous. Take control of your emotions and body Ray, and get to a doctor.
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Is this suppoed to be punditry?
Re: PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Stay Home--Don't Vote!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:39:10 GMT
From: Bruce Daniel Kettler (unknown)
rk: I recognize that my posts threaten the very existence of > Mind Controlling elitists well-ensconced and habituated in their > manipulation of the American Psyche through control, > dissemination, and reinforcement of news/information. You are one big-time deluded motherf**ker, boy!
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Do you realize...
Re: PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Stay Home--Don't Vote!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:56:08 GMT
From: Why are you so bitter Ray? (unknown)
Ray, do you have any idea how much time you spend talking about "threatening" people? Look at your past posts: "threatening people" seems to be the foremost part of your personality. Why are you so angry and out to hurt others?
rk: There you have it, folks. The latest salvo in the government/media's (un)declared war upon your malleable "politically/religiously correct-thinking" mind.
rk: Have any of you noticed how you shrink in fear from facing responsibility as a sovereign human being through such tactics of intimidation?
rk: Drugs and booze will not save you from the pain of your capitulation to such violence.
rk: Ponder that. Then take another look at the present state of the world your have helped create for yourself and your children with such timidity in the face of the oppressor.
rk: It's WAKE UP time, folks.
rk: To make sure that YOU are not the next person targeted, do something about it. Here's a start:
Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.
10/27/2000 Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) (vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net)
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:22:21 GMT,
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@my-deja.com) wrote:
rk: >> Why did these stalkers/terrorists announce their retirement from their secure, high profile groups (alt.fan.art-bell, alt.paranormal, etc.) which they have sought to control for years only to take up the same momentum formatted differently under a host of "throwaway" aliases?
vg: > I would like to point out that YOU have been using YOUR real name and address, this whole time, and haven't seemed to accomplish YOUR agenda, either. HELL, is it not?
rk: And what relevance does such a reply have to my above statement?
rk: However, by your statement have you not clearly admitted to your own collusion with your AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOT cohorts in fulfilling an agenda over the years and have thus confessed to the criminal charge of CONSPIRACY?
rk: As can be expected, the intellectual ignorance of one who pridefully assumes (identifies with) the bestial attributes of a "gorilla" reveals the very nature of the Satanic (The Opposer) realm of Consciousness; in other words, the dualistic opposer power-seeking energy of Satanism. It is this realm of consciousness which is ruled by Satanically driven, fragmented, dualistic forces and therefore stands as a barrier to direct perception or atonement with the holistic energy of Truth.
rk: Satanically-directed intellects cannot SEE, for they are blind by their very nature. Thus such intellects can only act indirectly and linearly in terms of time-bound agendas. I AM merely a Mirror of Truth; one which causes the blind and the dead to experience their own limitations.
vg: > Your mental illness is causing you to complicate something that just isn't really complicated.
rk: Au contraire! Until you and the other cowardly yahoos who skulk around in the shadows of these newsgroup/forums are willing to back up your untrue statements of another's "mental illness" with direct, substantive evidence to support such empty but numerous assertions, your comments do, in fact, constitute libel.
rk: As a practical matter, however, it is fully acknowledged that such determination cannot possibly be made in the realm of these chaotic, noisy, gossip-ridden Internet newsgroups/forums with its satanic (opposing) forces let loose upon the unaware and confused. This issue will only come to a full, satisfactory closure after a complete and painstaking examination of the facts have been made within a court of law.
rk: That is why you and the other spiritual "pipsqueaks" fight so damn hard and so damn long to prevent that from happening.
rk: While I call for a nation to put an end to this kind of BASSACKWARD Internet "TERRORISM" by demanding our federal elected and appointed officials do the jobs they have sworn to do, you and the other AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOT disinformation agent are "tapdancing" like hell, attempting to head off such an event " at the pass."
vg: This country was created for me, and people like me, and we, those people and I, have a duty and obligation to ensurethat you, and people like you, don't f-ck it all up.
rk: What you have said in very sanitized language is that you live in FEAR and you have a whole lot of company in doing it. Hell, isn't it?
rk: Your energy does not match your words of bravado, do they, oh anonymous coward who must buttress up a sagging ego with his identification with "gorillas"? Your posturing reminds me a great deal of the "cowardly lion" in the "Wizard of Oz." But then that's all that's left for ignoramus and aspiring Satanists, isn't it?
rk: Your actions contradict your earlier comments made on Oct 10th, 2000 when you wrote, and I quote: "This is called "oligarchy", or "rule by the elite". It's supposed to be this way, and I am fully in favor of it. People like me rulepeople like you, because we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you. Frankly, we couldn't care less, whether you or anyone else are aware of it, as you are far too impotent to be able to do anything about it."
See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs6.htm#Ignoramus
rk: The simple fact is that you are nothing but a coattail rider; a lowly parasite that has no motile power of its own, and so, like any other self-loathing dependent creatures, must affix itself to a life force healthier and greater than their own.
rk: You may ask, what evidence is there for such statement? It abounds in the DejaNews Archives, does it not?
rk: All are familiar with my numerous Spiritual contributions to the Internet. Whether one understands them or not, there can be no doubt that they clearly are my contributions, not those of another.
rk: What personal contributions have you made to these groups other than to hide in the shadows, lay in wait, ambush others, lay traps, and twist the words of others? Go ahead, vanilla gorilla, pull out a serious, indepth contribution of yours. Show it to us. Betcha can't do it! Schnooks like you are only practiced and adept at playing off another's words -- a typical Satanist ploy!!
vg: One of the many beauties of this great country is that it IS free. That is the very thing that provides lunatics like you the freedom to threaten people and otherwise babble incoherently for FIVE GODDAM YEARS, and no one's done anything to shut you the HELL up, either temporarily, or permanently.
rk: Is that so? Check out the rabidness of frustrated Satanists which abound on these groups and observe how the fur flies when the pack of them are sent scurrying back to the shadows to lick their wounds each time they circle their prey only to discover in their "unawareness" that they have picked on the unassailable MIRROR OF TRUTH.
rk: All that is accomplished by their indiscriminate predatory behavior is that they get to see themselves as the "open wound" they truly are. Each time they surround their prey with the force of "numbers," one or more of their own is wounded by their own frenzied attack. They slink back into the shadows while the others run interference for them. Yet they do not learn the lesson they have experienced, do they? They seem incapable of understanding the spiritual essence at work. In a subtler form of consciousness, one that nondiscriminating rank ignoramuses are never privvy to, this has been but a five-year-long "EXORCISM" by the Mirror of Truth.
vg: We are Good, and you are Evil.
rk: Ah! the very essence of Satanism expresses itself. Only gross ignoramuses fall for the limited consciousness of a dualistic Intellect while their TRUE STATE of Infinite unbounded AWARENESS stands by with eternal patience waiting for them to stumble upon the simple TRUTH.
rk: In the meantime Hell rages on in the society of man with people killing people, children killing children, nations set against nations, all because of the manipulations of the few over the ignorant masses via the Satanic (The Opposer) dualistic "concept" of good and evil. Who can argue that the Spirit of Satan (the Opposer) rules the civilized world of man? How dumb do you have to be to continue when the evidence of that simple fact is all around you and yet all but the "pure of spirit" remain blind and therefore unable to see it? Such is the aftermoment based Intellectual nature of the "living dead," the "spiritually blind."
vg: It really is that simple. Good people do not NEED any conspiracy, to know what is right, and to do it.
rk: Then why the concerted Satanic effort to oppose another at every opportunity on these Internet newsgroups/forums? Yours are the words of a hypocrite. Not a very intelligent one at that.
vg: There is no conspiracy, in spite of what the voices in your head keep telling you.
rk: Then let us put it to the test, shall we?
rk: Why not join the momentum of a grass roots campaign to pressure the FBI into releasing all information they have kept hidden from the public behind their STONE WALL of silence regarding the government/media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation operations perpetrated upon unwary users of the Internet by assigned provocateurs who prowl and create dissension throughout these Internet Newsgroups/Forums?
rk: Let all parties be held responsible for their actions.
rk: Make it a public event. One for all the world to see!
rk: What better way is there in establishing a New Consciousness of Justice and Equality for All, regardless of whether one has "money" or not to feed the voracious appetite of an errant legal system.
rk: I'm up for it. How about the rest of you shadow dwelling satanists?
vg: The "sleeping masses" are not buying into your sick, delusional fantasies, for the simple reason that they are a complete load of bullsh-t, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it instantly, instinctively, and without any trace of doubt.
rk: So you manage to find "two brain cells to rub together." Do you see what disdain for your fellow "ignoramuses" you unwittingly display, while at the same time you pander to their ignorance? Now there's a question you and all other empty rhetoric spouting, mind controlling politicians ought to be asking of yourselves. Why do you pander so to ignoramuses? Is it your acquired satanic knowledge that such dulled reactionary-based consciousness can only be manipulated and swayed by seduction and flattery? Truth for the masses is often a "bitter pill" to swallow, is it not?
rk: Why not face it? Dumb is Dumb! Cosmetic repairs only provide the ignorant with a bit of leverage for a debilitated competitive spirit, a spurt of short-lived temporal power until they discover that they too are just as dumb as the next guy. Hell, isn't it?
vg: We are Good, and you are Evil.
rk: I fully understand what you are saying. However, when one stands face-to-face and gazes into the Mirror of Truth, all they are actually seeing is the BASSACKWARD reflection of themselves. Now look again at your "good and evil." What do you *really see* staring back at you?
vg: It really is that simple. You've been saying that you were "casting your pearls before swine", but I submit that what you've really been doing is casting FAKE pearls before oysters.
rk: vanilla gorilla, you can either fill up that empty, rhetorical statement with some substantive evidence, or else ponder your feeble. failed attempt at expressing cleverness.
vg: You are a demented, two-bit, Fascist dictator wannabe.
rk: Opinion noted, but again, where is the substantive evidence to back up such empty rhetoric? You see, none of you disinformation agents are able to cross that line which separate empty rhetoric and substantive evidence. You merely sit back, throw out vicious, unsubstantiated accusations, and twist the words of another. The only support you receive arises from your backslapping comrades who, like you, hypocritically hide behind many names and many masks and who themselves are subject to the same insanity which rules the world of BASSACKWARDS.
vg: You would be quite willing, if they would only play along, to use our legal system, which you publicly despise, to crush your alleged enemies, to deprive them of the very same freedoms that YOU use and abuse on a daily basis. There is your "essence of bassackwardness" for you.
rk: Crush my enemies? How can you be my enemy when all I see is just how ignorant you really are? By the way, I don't pity you either. *You* are the enemy you see reflected in the Mirror of Truth which stands before you.
rk: I am your humble servant of KARMA, no more, no less. You cannot escape yourself. The best you can do is muck up the mirror so you can continue to live in denial of what you see staring you right in the face.
vg: You want to be some big-time spiritual guru, but you can't even achieve the extremely limited success of your one-time hero, Roy Masters, and it pis-es you off to no end.
rk: Perhaps, you'd like to expand on that. Or is throwing out such empty rhetoric all that you are capable of?
vg: You want to be a guide, but you can't even get your OWN house in order.
rk: One only need look at my posts to determine the "order of my house." Of course the same applies to you and the other AFAB BULLIES/SKEPTICULTISTS/ROYBOTS. Such a comparative examination will open even the most encrusted, corrupted eyes.
vg: You try to convince yourself that you are a Savior, but if anyone has the audacity to point out how transparently hypocritical your bullsh-t is, instead of trying to convince them otherwise, you would rather threaten them, or verbally abuse them, or both.
rk: Savior, eh? You do insert a considerable amount of extraneous nonsense into your reading of my posts, don't you?
vg: Every thing you do, and everything you say, reeks of the self-loathing you have, over your failure to out-Roy Roy Masters.
rk: Are you THAT intimate with the teachings of roy masters?
rk: Are you a "Roybot" running interference for your guru? Do you also have a background in media, broadcast or otherwise?
rk: One only need listen to the sound files on my web site and then listen to roy masters to distinguish that we are NOTHING alike. It is the shocking difference between the unmistakable resonance of a man who stands balanced and alone, speaking clearly of what is observed, and the resonance of being stroked and seduced by a "charming" female energy housed in a masculine body bent on manipulating others toward a distinct, unyielding, Judeo-Christian, conditioned "point of view."
rk: Go ahead, put it to the test. You will see what I mean. That is, of course, if you still have sufficient awareness to function in a noncodependent relationship.
vg: As you have so ironically pointed out on multiple occasions, there is none so blind, as he who will not see, and the Blind Man in this little drama is, and always has been, you.
rk: There's your skeletal one-liner again. Perhaps you'd like to flesh it out a bit, that is, if you are capable of doing so?
vg: It really is that simple. You aren't even important enough to hate.
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V.G.
rk: I suggest you reread your posts and reconsider that statement. No greater hypocrites exist in this world than those who hide their hatred behind "highly polished" words of diplomacy.
Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.
This evening I received the following email. It would appear that some folks are waking up.
Another Freeman exposed
On Oct 15, 2000, I received a citation and complaint. The violation was ORS 807.010, no operators license.
I am to appear Nov 2, 2000, at 0800, Grants Pass Courthouse, Circuit Court. The warning on the back side of the summons states "IF YOU FAIL TO FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS, THE COURT MAY ISSUE A WARRANT FOR YOUR ARREST and/or....." The instructions are options given me dealing with entering a plea.
ARGUMENT: If ever a judge understood the public's right to use the public roads, it was Justice Tolman of the Supreme Court of the State of Washington.
Justice Tolman stated: Complete freedom of the highways is so old and well established a blessing that we have forgotten the days of the Robber Barons and toll roads, and yet, under an act like this, arbitrarily administered, the highways may be completely monopolized, if, through lack of interest, the people submit, then they may look to see the most sacred of their liberties taken from them one by one, by more or less rapid encroachment." Robertson vs Department of Public Works, 180 Wash 133, 147.
The words of Justice Tolman ring most prophetically in the ears of Citizens throughout the country today as the use of the public roads has been monopolized by the very entity which has been empowered to stand guard over our freedoms, i.e., that of state government.
"Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion--to go where and when one pleases--only so far restrained as the Rights of others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens. The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Under this Constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct." [emphasis added] II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135.
"Personal liberty--consists of the power of locomotion, of changing situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law." 1 Blakstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution___,777;Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.
Here is my position, I am excercising a Common Right to travel on Our highways. I refuse to give away any of my rights and accept in their place privileges. These privileges are granted by contract agreements. We are never informed that we are giving up our rights. We are not aware of all the rules and regulations we have agreed to follow. There are just too many of them to remember.
The state legislature passes laws which compel the public to acquire a Driver's license. The courts are required to prosecute anyone who violates these laws.
Here is my situation. I have not given up my right of mobility, my right to use public highways. I have no contract with the State of Oregon, therefore I have no binding obligation with them in their licensing of Motor Vehicles used for commercial purposes on the public highways. I am being charged with a contractual violation (BREACH OF CONTRACT) and threatened with arrest and loss of my freedon.
I did not sign the summons or agree to appear. In fact, there was no place on the citation for such signature to be given. Hence no agreement was made nor contract signed. In America our Forefathers gave us a Constitution which was measured against the TEN COMMANDMENTS and protects those RIGHTS.
Many of you have been influenced to believe that the Law is whatever the Legislature declares it to be. The Courts are compelled to follow it, and our police are told to enforce it. Well please pay attention to the following existing court decisions: "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison
"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate then." Miranda vs.Arizona
I have no illusions about the Truth. Throughout the history of man, evil has become powerful. It's arch enemy is Truth. Evil cannot stand against the LIGHT of Truth. It thrives under the cloak of darkness. We must be diligent in the protection of our Liberty or we will surely lose it. My stand is unpopular but it is the Truth.
Young Christian attorney Patrick Henry rode into the small town of Culpepper, Va. in March 1775. He was totally shocked by what he saw! There, in the middle of the town square was a minister tied to a whipping post, his back laid bare and bloody, with the bones of his ribs showing. The minister had refused to take a license. A license often becomes an arbitrary control by government that makes a crime out of what ordinarily would not be a crime. IT TURNS A RIGHT INTO A PRIVILEGE. Sad but true, most Americans today do not know why our Fathers fought the British, but Patrick Henry did!
The Britlish wanted to control everyone, even the clergy. The minister told the British Court system, "I will never submit to taking your license. I am controlled by the HOLY SPIRIT and authorized by God Almighty and will not allow you to control me by a license, no matter what you may do to me.'' Three days later they scourged him to death. I am ashamed of what little I have done to secure for my family the blessings of liberty. So many patriots before me have given their lives so that I may sit in front on my T.V. and complain about what my government is or is not doing. It's time to stand up. It's time to pay the dues for my freedom. May God show mercy on those who suffer on my behalf.
If someone were to go to the Deja News Archives today, Oct 30, 2000, and use my husband's name, Raymond Karczewski, as keywords to search for his posts, they would find the list of posts (List 2) which either bear his name as the author or contain supposedly quoted material bearing his name.
If they were to seek his posting history in Deja News under the name Raymond Karczewski (rk@psicounsel.net), they would get the following list (List 1).
Those persons responsible for posting these articles have now gone beyond libel and stalking on the Internet and have now added *identity theft* in their five-year-long campaign to defame and destroy my husband's reputation.
My husband did not write any of the posts below which list his name as the author. He and I have never used any e-mail address other than the those assigned by our ISP and an account with DejaNews (arkent@my-deja.com)
Ray does not and has never posted under Raymond Karczewski (rk@psicounsel.net).
If you have been even casually reading the posts written by these individuals who attack my husband, you are well aware of the vicious, libelous, vulgar and demeaning nature of those posts.
What is the intent of the persons responsible for posting these articles?
I and my husband have always used our true names and our true e-mail addresses when posting on the Internet, and take responsibility for what we post.
It is curious, if not mind boggling, that the persons who engage in the despicable character assassination found in posts attacking my husband are allowed to continue to do so and are even encouraged and goaded on by the ongoing apathy of the general public, the platform provided them by media-sponsored forums, and by the deliberate malfeasance of the FBI when it is time for it to do its job.
What will it take for you, the public, to realize the violent atmosphere that is being created and promoted on the Internet by these people?
It is a formula for the destruction of social responsibility in a rapidly disintegrating society.
Can't any of you see the platform for libel and defamation being provided to them by media-sponsored forums which allow their vicious and malicious reputation-destroying actions to go unchecked?
Why would a public/print media, well aware of the laws concerning libel and defamation, require the names and addresses on "Letters to the Editor" in order to verify/confirm the identity of the writer in one venue under their control, and yet sponsor an Internet forum deliberately omitting such fundamental safeguards against libel and character assassination in another venue also under their control?
It seems to me that there is a great deal of license being given to these *criminals* by media sponsored Internet forums which allow them to destroy the lives and reputations of others under the guise of free speech.
I wonder how such media complicity through providing such platforms for the destruction of lives and reputations would be looked upon by a fair and impartial court of law?
What will it take for you to realize that their next target could well be you?
What will it take for you, the Internet using public, to take action to put a stop to such obvious degradation of our society by the institutions of government and media in which we have placed our trust?
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Listen to my Streaming audio message " The Nobody and the Somebody -- The Christ and the Christian at: http://www.arkenterprises.com/nobody.html
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Allow me to share with you the key to a New Consciousness for Mankind in the New Millennium. It is the esoteric revelation of the "Christ message" (not to be confused with organized Christianity).
If there exists one message Spiritual Pilgrims cannot afford to miss, THIS IS THE ONE! It reveals the simple secret of power which has allowed the few to rule the many since the dawn of civilization and which continues to the present day.
Rediscover within yourself, the impenetrable shield of protection against the illusory power of the world.
If you are ready to invite fundamental change into your consciousness and do more than pay lip service to the phrase "Peace on Earth," there is no better time to start than NOW!
Our election system here in the United States is a fraud, a joke. The sadness of it all is that no one seems to be laughing.
Didn't Josef Stalin once say "in essence:" The voters aren't important to the election results. It's the "vote counters" who determine the result.
Isn't it time we had a different system for electing and/or supporting national, state, and local leaders and issues important to our Freedom? Isn't it time we as a people said NO to an encroaching New World Order?
Isn't it time we tossed out of office those elected officials who would sell us out to a New World Order and replace them with men/women who WILL swear an oath to preserve and support our US Constitution and ABIDE by that oath?
Isn't it time we took the matter out of the hands of the PR/advertising Madison Ave. types and stripped away the power of those mind controllers whose only purpose is to cleverly push your psychological "buttons" which have been subtly and incrementally implanted/reinforced over a period of time by a "mind controlling" media?
Pay attention to the campaign rhetoric used by ALL candidates who run for public office.
Does it fall into a familiar, recognizeable momentum?
Do the mind controlling candidates, like the mind controlling preachers, have the same patter, the same cadence to their voices?
Have you heard it all before?
Does it all have a familiar ring to it?
Certainly such political campaigns are run on psychologically based rhetoric. However, the question remains for each voter to decide -- is it substantive or empty rhetoric that is motivating your vote? Who amongst you is aware enough, able to discern at such times the not-so-subtle differences in vibrations?
Campaign rhetoric operates at two levels of consciousness -- the conditioned "letter of the word" (tell em what they want to hear) and the subconscious, from whence all action arises. Is not campaign rhetoric designed to key you into actions predetermined by the mind controllers via previously implanted, unrecognized "Post hypnotic suggestions?" Have not these familiar, positive imaged suggestions been inserted through prior "politically/religiously" correct-thinking campaigns?
Here is a simple experiment anyone can do at home. Pick up and READ the Voters Manual. After doing so, ask yourself whether it brings confusion or clarity to your present state of conditioned consciousness. In that present state of mind, you are being asked to cast your vote and relinquish control of your life to its outcome. What's wrong with that picture?
Pay attention to the momentum of the privately owned broadcast and print "media" which bombards you with a neverending stream of suggestions to fill up space, to fill up the time of your day, never allowing you a moment of silence in which Insight may emerge within a noisy consciousness. That's the nature of CONDITIONING. Rather pervasive, isn't it?
Now that Mankind has stepped into a New Millenium, isn't it time that we meet it with a New Consciousness -- A consciousness based in TRUTH, not illusion?
Each of you have it within your power to bring the OLD CONSCIOUSNESS to an end and to begin LIFE ANEW in this New Millenium -- to create a New World for yourselves and your children.
Some 2000 years ago, a simple Man, a Man of Truth said that one must "die to be reborn of the Spirit" (the illusions of Intellect must end for TRUTH to BE SEEN!). End the momentum of dualistic, thought-bound, intellectual "Hell on Earth." It is SILENCE which brings an end to political, cultural, and religious conditioning.
Give these Mind Controllers a message which will be heard around the world. Give these Mind Controllers a message never before heard since man became Civilized. Give these MIND CONTROLLERS the message of SILENCE.
Take back your VOTE.
Take back your MONEY.
Take Back your COUNTRY.
TAKE BACK YOUR LIFE!!!
STAY HOME -- DON'T VOTE!
The Election is over (or is it?). *Vote Fraud* is the "new" issue (or is it?).
The Stonewalling by our Federal Government and Media regarding the issue of Government/Media sponsored/supported Mind Control/Disinformation experiments being conducted upon "unwary users" of the Internet continues unabated.
I invite all who have followed this 5-year-long issue of Internet mind control/disinformation which threatens our American Way of Life as much as, if not more than *Vote Fraud,* and who desire to see this matter brought to closure, to view the online petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
If you are in agreement that Government and Media are indeed, not above the law and must be held accountable for their (in)actions, I ask that you sign the petition.
It is time for talk to stop and action to begin.
It's time for us to take back control of our country, our government and our lives.
Please forward a copy of this to friends and neighbors. Let Freedom Speak! The Future of our Rights as U.S. Citizens guaranteed to us by our U.S. Constitution depend on it.
To: U.S. Congress
WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES PETITION CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO COMPEL THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION DIRECTOR LOUIS FREEH TO RELEASE ALL INFORMATION, FINDINGS, AND/OR PENDING STATUS REGARDING THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FILED WITH THE MEDFORD, OREGON OFFICE OF THE FBI BY RAYMOND KARCZEWSKI ON NOV. 2ND 1997 REGARDING GOVERNMENT/MEDIA SPONSORED/SUPPORTED MIND CONTROL/DISINFORMATION EXPERIMENTS BEING CONDUCTED UPON UNWARY USERS OF THE INTERNET.
On November 2nd, 1997, a criminal complaint was lodged with the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI by U.S. citizen Raymond Karczewski. The complaint called upon the FBI to investigate an organized agenda-based operation by anonymous, controlling disinformation disseminating provocateurs with established ties/direct links with the U.S. government intelligence community and international broadcast and print media at the highest levels. This organized mind control/disinformation campaign is still going on while our government and media refuse to make a public statement regarding this criminal issue which threatens our present way of life.
Such use by the U.S. government of its intelligence community resources to seed disruption and division amongst the computer using U.S. public is a crime against the People it has sworn to protect and defend.
As of this writing, no mention of this crime against the American public has been issued by the media to the general non-computer using public.
Since November 7th, 1998, followup written and oral communications which have made repeated demands upon Federal elected officials (President Bill Clinton, Oregon Senators Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith) to intervene on behalf of the American Public with the FBI in this issue have resulted in their erecting a STONE WALL of SILENCE.
Such unyielding behavior by our elected federal officials to the plight of its citizens constitutes a continuous breach of trust, duty and obligation imposed upon them under authority of the Constitution of the United States of America; and if allowed to continue, will have devastating effect upon the Rights, Privileges, Immunities, and Liberties of U.S. Citizens.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that WE the Undersigned Citizens of the Several States demand that the Congress of the United States act with swiftness and directness in compelling Director Louis Freeh of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to authorize full disclosure to the public of its actions regarding this matter so important to domestic tranquillity.
Sign Petition at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:49:27 GMT, Bob Compton (bob_compton@my-deja.com) wrote:
In article (8ucukp$n22$1@nnrp1.deja.com), Raymond Karczewski (arkent@my-deja.com) wrote:
rk: >> I invite all who have followed this 5-year-long issue of Internet mind control/disinformation which threatens our American Way of Life as much as, if not more than *Vote Fraud,* and who desire to see this matter brought to closure, to view the online petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
bc: >Ray, you'll be happy to know that your petition seems to have taken off. There are over 11 signatures already!
bc: >12. Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs
bc: >11. Ok, fine.
bc: >10. A friend
bc: >9. Stonewall
bc: >8. Frank Fink
bc: >7. Lola Bunny
bc: >6. Special Agent Gray
bc: >5. Pink Pated Titty Trolling Spammer
bc: >4. Bob Beckett
bc: >3. Christ on a bicycle
bc: >2. Anita L. Karczewski
bc: >1. Raymond Karczewski
bc: >bob,
bc: >who, obviously, didn't sign the petition
rk: What is obvious about your post is the compensatory pride taken in a mad rush to display one's cleverness, yet all the while remaining completely unable to understand the corruption of cleverness for what it truly is.
rk: In the above list only two names are genuine. Mine and Anita's. Two names. Genuine. Real. Whole. True. What's wrong with that picture?
rk: Ask yourself, what are the actions of a *reasonable* man when asked to sign a petition? If he is in agreement and in full support of the issue, he simply signs the petition. If he is not in agreement or in support of the statement of the petition, a reasonable man merely passes it by, does not sign the petition. Are you getting a glimmer yet of the BASSACKWARD quality of your actions and those of your cohorts?
rk: Only in a BASSACKWARD world will dumbed-down, corrupt ignoramuses cackle with glee while trashing a petition they don't agree with and use it as an object for their personal graffiti.
rk: Look at Florida. See the unfolding insanity of the vote scam. Out of that corruption America's "Leadership" is expected to emerge.
rk: The signators who have thus responded to my petition are merely the microcosm reflecting the macrocosm that is the Political hotbed unfolding in Florida. When insanity and corruption becomes the pridefully defended norm, what else can be said for such a society but that it is BASSACKWARDS?!!
rk: What does such behavior reflect? Are these the acts of balanced men or imbalanced ignoramuses floundering about in their own personal, compensatory, cleverness-oriented confusion? As in all matters of self-evident Truth, the question answers itself, does it not?
rk: One need look no further than at the Vote Scandal now growing in our Country. Millions are controlled daily by such "LEGION" of clever ignoramuses plying their mind control and disinformation *trade* along with their *black bag* assaults on our Freedoms. Such unleashed insanity is intimidating to the timid who shrink away from such assaults upon their tenuous hold upon their innate, God-given intelligence. These are your typical voters who long ago capitulated to their personal doubts and fears. And so they hunker down or retreat in fear with the meagre hope of being left alone, if even for only a moment.
rk: Perhaps I -- like a few others who have historically come and gone before me in setting out to find just one other "honest" man, the discovery of whom would forestall the destruction of their society -- have set my sights a little bit too high in expecting that people who profess to want a better world for themselves and their children would sign this petition.
rk: The blind and the ignorant are merely impotent, frightened, codependent, conditioned human beings. They are unable to stand on their own feet as holistic human beings and so must flock together as *sheeple* in order to sustain a mutual sense of security. Might makes right, eh? Only in a BASSACKWARD world, only in a BASSACKWARD world!
rk: The present lesson being taught to packs of psychologically arrested, roving MALE predators is how a single, mature, balanced, reasonable MAN, capable of standing alone, looks and acts.
rk: I understand many who read my words recoil when hearing words like IGNORAMUSES, but if the "Shoe Fits," what else can one be expected to wear?
rk: I have written in the past on these Internet newsgroups about voter fraud -- long before this election and places like Florida were being discussed. Although then the writings appealed only to the subtler levels of consciousness enjoyed by the "Spiritually Sighted."
rk: Grossly conditioned, dumbed-down IGNORAMUSES ridiculed the posts then, just as they do now. Why? Is it not to hide their own sense of impotence and lack of integrity? What else is hypocrisy but a shield of ignorance?
rk: What does that say about millions of voters who have been conditioned to put their trust, their lives, and yes, even their own destinies in the hands of their "leadership's" sponsored/supported vote counters?
rk: I needn't belabor the point. Even the most ignorant amongst you today would *think twice* before defending the present corrupt political system with oft-repeated inanities like "our system may be flawed, but it's the best in the world."
rk: As a Josephine County, Oregon Grand Jury member in 1998, my wife Anita took the initiative that is the right (and perhaps the only thing that will save this country from self-destruction at the hands of its leaders) and the intrinsic duty of all Grand Jury members and launched an investigation into Voter Fraud in Josephine County, Oregon. Such bold action only resulted in her being excused from her Grand Jury duties.
rk: Has anybody from Josephine County, Oregon seen any public reports aired on radio or TV, or read in the newspapers of the Josephine County Grand Jury investigation into Vote Fraud? Ask yourself, has our media a vested interest in keeping such news secret from the public?
rk: Why do you suppose that over the last three years not a single public word regarding this Internet Mind Control/Disinformation issue has been *leaked* by the media to a vast non computer-using public. Yes indeed, the STONE WALL of SILENCE is an effective tool in the hands of a corrupt, power-oriented government/media playing *hardball.*
rk: The petition speaks for itself. It will serve as a barometer of change for the human species. It is the instrument which will wake some people up from their hypnotic mind controlled slumber; for it calls for action, not mere empty words. The other more recalcitrant somnambulists will only awaken later when their space, their freedoms, have been stripped away and all that awaits them is the horrific stimuli of civil war and bloody revolution
rk: The world watches and waits to see the fate of these United States. This barometer of change may be found at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
rk: It will serve to mirror the actual, not intellectual, Intelligence of the American People.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of ed wilkinson and other assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Are you brain dead, or don't you speak English?
Re: Votes Don't Work, Lets Try Petitions (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 17:32:46 GMT
From: NO ONE HERE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY RAY (unknown)
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Put your own house in order first
Re: Are you brain dead, or don't you speak English? (NO ONE HERE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY RAY)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:46:56 GMT
From: You must have much to answer for Ray (unknown)
You never answered questions about why you accused women of making your kids kill themselves and each other. Why did you say this, and why are you trying to hide it now, after you opened that topic up out of the blue? **What did you do to make you so utterly in the world?** Forget us signing your asinine petition: do you really think we want to be associated in any way with someone who makes sweeping, paranoid attacks the way you do? Put your own house in order before you start attacking anyone else.
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work?"
Re: Votes Don't Work, Lets Try Petitions (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:01:32 GMT
From: Always leave 'em laughing Ray (unknown)
The fact you're a joke wherever you go doesn't mean voting doesn't work. By the way, this is a classic piece of paranoia from you Ray: always leave 'em laughing.
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Ray: who do you expect to sign a thing like this?
Re: What do you mean "votes don't work?" (Always leave 'em laughing Ray)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:39:22 GMT
From: Circulate this in mental hospitals (unknown) Obviously the general public is going to dismiss this for what it is: yet more psychotic crap from someone too sick and twisted to hold a job, family, or any social relations. Try sending it to mental hospitals: maybe the more flipped-out patients will help you out.
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What Ray means
Re: What do you mean "votes don't work?" (Always leave 'em laughing Ray)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:58:29 GMT
From: Grow up you jerk (unknown)
Ray means he suddenly realized there was nothing he could do to make people not vote. To explain his total impotence he now insists voting doesn't work, though he was fighting like hell to assert himself and make people stay home from doing something he know claims is worthless anyway. Typical contradictory explanation from someone who's mentally ill, painfully impotent, and yet needs to feel all-powerful at any cost. We voted Ray, we don't care about any damned thing you say, and you'll just have to get used to it.
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Idiot.
Re: Votes Don't Work, Lets Try Petitions (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:08:05 GMT
From: More attacks from this guy? (unknown)
Latest Ray Rant: WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES PETITION CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO COMPEL THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION DIRECTOR LOUIS FREEH TO RELEASE ALL INFORMATION, FINDINGS, AND/OR PENDING STATUS REGARDING THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FILED WITH THE MEDFORD, OREGON OFFICE OF THE FBI BY RAYMOND KARCZEWSKI ON NOV. 2ND 1997 REGARDING GOVERNMENT/MEDIA SPONSORED/SUPPORTED MIND CONTROL/DISINFORMATION EXPERIMENTS BEING CONDUCTED UPON UNWARY USERS OF THE INTERNET.
So this petition is good only in "these united States" but not in "those" United States (stupid locution: FYI we're the only United States going Ray). And I'm sure the FBI has in fact released all the information possible about a non-existant investigation, which is to say nothing, necessarily. You're a pathetic, impotent ass making an obscene show of your own illness, and the world will be better off after you and your screaming malice are gone. Great legacy.
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You left out the part about the concentration camps Ray
Re: Idiot. (More attacks from this guy?)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:52:01 GMT
From: Repetitive and pathetic (unknown)
Ray, I think you forgot something. During your last screed you claimed the government already has concentration camps in place in which to imprison and torture its citizens: why are you not demanding an investigation into that? And you never answered questions about these concentration camps: where do you think they are Ray? And you claim you're not seriously mentally ill? Please do include the part about the concentration camps in your next attack against the FBI, CIA, White House, Ron Wyden, Gordon Smith, Matt Drudge, AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT bullies, and whomever else you manage to drag up out of your demented imagination: that would make good theater at least. As it is you're repetitive and pathetic.
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What's this now?
Re: You left out the part about the concentration camps Ray (Repetitive and pathetic)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 19:00:28 GMT
From: Ray gets sicker and sicker and sicker (unknown)
Concentration camps built by the government? Pretty weenie, even for you Ray. Anyone got the original text on this post?
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So many years of your life wasted
Re: Votes Don't Work, Lets Try Petitions (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 18:36:02 GMT
From: Why are you so full of hate? (unknown)
What exactly has gone so wrong with you and your life that you spend all your time in front of a computer screen launching vicious, paranoid attacks against the world? Can you really find nothing better to do with your time than to spend it like a buffoon pretending to be God, and threatening everyone with FBI investigations that don't exist? Don't you have any friends or family that care about you and are willing to help you get better? Why are you so full of hate?
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against my better judgment...
Re: Petition Congress to Compel the FBI to Investigate (Raymond Karczewski) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 06:56:27 GMT
From: Bert (bert@thewindmillmovedalittlethattime.com)
I will take it upon myself yet once again to reply to a Karczewski rant....
Ray, ray, poor poor ray....you have met the enemy, and he is you! You yourself have become the leading disinformation agent, with your incessant ravings and psuedo-logic. You have made truck-size holes in whatever you had for credibility when the whole thing started, so many years ago. What started as a defiance against the DMV has mushroomed(in your head, anyway), into a quixotian attack on the twisted version of the world that you percieve. You too, have a subjective, and therefore biased point of view, and the only attempt at mind control that I can sift out of the whole mess is your own, trying to keep all your own bees in your bonnet, so to speak. I think you're delusional, paranoid, and despite some evidence of higher intelligence here and there in your posts(providing you didn't hire a ghostwriter or something), sadly and grieviously misinformed about a great many things, to include whatever higher significance you attribute to your internet-based ballyhoo.
The world is a very confusing place, Ray, but some things are very persistent and constant, and one of those is that people fail to understand each other, and people intentionally lie to each other, and yet other people simply B.S. their way through the whole mess because they just don't understand what the h.e. double- toothpicks is going on. For you to try to discern out some type of conspiratorial/anti-Ray activity is both pompous and delusional, for the tiny little ants that most of us are on the global radar screen are far, far beneath the attentions of the august bodies whom you appear to be trying to attract. Not to mention that you don't really want their attention, do you? I mean, look who you're lobbying to! Congress! What have you been smoking, Ray, and why won't you share? We're talking about a group of people who took almost an entire year to decide to do anything about the Lewinski scandal, and they never did get around to pushing for any real reprimand, now did they, and you expect them to log on to www.crackpot.com, which may as well be your web address, and thoroughly investigate every allusion, every allegation, and every half-statement that you've made regarding some type of 'conspiracy'? Be real, Ray, put down the crack pipe, and slowly back away. Whatever grain of truth there was to what you were initially driving at has long since trickled out the side of your little applecart. Matter of fact, a quick trip through the site makes me think the cheese that fell off your cracker 2 years ago fell through the same hole!
I wish you the best ray, but you're never going to get what you want, or at least what I think you want, by what you're doing. I mean, if you're really bored, you could always drive up to their front door, identify yourself, and press your case in person, I'm sure they're in need of a good laugh, but don't expect more than that! Best of luck, Ray!
Your grudging admirer(tenacity is worth something I suppose)
Bert
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]Congratulations on shutting down the polls Ray
Re: Petition Congress to Compel the FBI to Investigate (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 02:10:01 GMT
From: Don't you get it yet? (unknown)
You might have noticed the dramatic effect your haranguing about not voting had Ray. And you still somehow think we're going to sign your little petition to have your psychosis investigated by the FBI? What planet do you live on anyway?
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How does it feel to be such a malignant presence Ray?
Re: The New World Order Is MANDATED By Christianity (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:18:36 GMT
From: Your hatred is blight and cancer Ray (unknown)
I can't imagine "living" the way you do: going out of my way at every moment to harm people as best I can just to assert my own imagined superiority, and being scorned as a social cancer by everyone. It must be strange, to say the least, to realize that the world will be better off once you no longer exist: vice and hatred like yours are a blight on humanity.
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Agreed
Re: Arrogant Windbag (Shut up already)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:03:03 GMT
From: Shame on your hubris and abuse (unknown)
Ray, your arrogance and abuse are perfectly obscene and neither have anything at all to do with Christ. You're a pathetic little man who needs to destroy everyone around you to feel alive. Shame on you.
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don't think they're all Rays, but Ray may be the one with
Re: When you're right you're right (I stand cyber-corrected)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:59:25 GMT
From: the hardest time getting meds (unknown) Is this an argument for covering prescription drugs through medicare? How can we be sure Ray is taking them? Hmmm....the problem may be too complex for a mere shrub.
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This is crazy
Re: The FBI, Identity Theft, and the Internet (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:50:44 GMT
From: Who'd seriously steal Ray's identity?? (unknown)
Think about it: if someone wanted to commit "identity theft," why would they pick a joke like Ray Karczewski? THOSE MESSAGES ARE A JOKE ANITA, though a bad one. Not worse than the ones the two of you usually post however. Why don't you try getting a life instead of fighting a bunch of kids f**king around on their computers.
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You've made this impossible to evaluate
Re: The FBI, Identity Theft, and the Internet (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:35:43 GMT
From: (unknown)
It's impossible to decide if this is real, or simply more of your delusions about jack-booted government "AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT" mind-control agents that so thoroughly populate your imagination. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time making insane accusations every time someone criticizes you, you wouldn't have a problem getting people to take you seriously now. It looks like a joke to me.
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Do you consider yourself only an appendage of your husband?
Re: The FBI, Identity Theft, and the Internet (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:31:31 GMT
From: What's with this family? (unknown)
It's pretty telling about your relation with Ray that you don't dare write anything in your own name. Don't you have your own identity? Or won't he allow you to speak your own thoughts in your own voice? What's wrong with your family anyway that you can only speak as your husband's appendage, and he's telling everyone on the Internet that women are making your kids kill themselves and each other?
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When you're right you're right
Re: You think Ray is the only psychotic posting here? (I wanna see your copy of OregonLive!)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:52:12 GMT
From: I stand cyber-corrected (unknown)
But are all the psychotics on Oregon Live using the name Ray Karczewski? That would explain a lot actually.
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Who cares?
Re: The FBI, Identity Theft, and the Internet (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:55:18 GMT
From: Get a grip lady (unknown)
So some kids are making fun of a couple of self-indulgent psychotics in Cave Junction. And we should care...why? Just shut up and you'll have no problem. But of course you won't. You'll keep making a show of your sickness and arrogance, and you'll whine just as hard the next time some child takes it into his head to post a satire under your name. Did anyone REALLY think you posted this crap? Of course not. It's just another excuse for some damned Karczewski to whine on the Internet about their fantasies of persecution. Get some self-control and your problems are over.
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Maybe Anita will finally answer
Re: Who cares? (Get a grip lady)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:14:29 GMT From: What kind of "parents" are you? (unknown)
So Anita, Ray recently sent out a screaming screed about how American women are making your kids kill themselves and each other. Why did he say launch an attack like that throughout cyberspace? What happened to your kids that Ray would say that Anita, and what role did you play in it? You're willing to spam all your asinine Internet problems all over the place, but once you attack women for making your kids kill themselves, suddenly you're silent? What did you do woman? What kind of "parents" are you?
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What a surprise
Re: Who cares? (Get a grip lady)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:25:08 GMT
From: Keep your juvenile problem to yourselves (unknown)
ak: What will it take for you to realize that their next target could well be you?
No Anita. Again: none of us have made a gross display of arrogance, abuse, and mental illness, and none of us receive such gross abuse in return. Not ever. It's not a surprise such stupid crap is coming back at you after all you've done over the years to so many people: what goes around comes around. You're an old lady and should know better than this by now: stop attacking people on a daily basis and you will not be attacked in return.
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Why are you b**ching about this here?
Re: The FBI, Identity Theft, and the Internet (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:09:20 GMT
From: Keep your Usenet s**t to yourselves (unknown)
Look, if you're having problems on Usenet, why are you posting them here? Quit dragging your Usenet garbage here Anita: we're are infinitely tired of Karczewski s**t spammed daily all over cyberspace. DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO DECENCY OR SELF-RESPECT AT ALL?? You have no right to dump pure s**t you've gone out of your way to create here in Oregon. By the way, you can see what kind of sympathy you've generated for your cause. After years of abuse from the two of you, what do you expect us to do for you now? Live with a little dignity and modesty, and maybe people will come to give a damn about you.
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Why are you taking this so seriously?
Re: No one destroyed Ray's reputation except Ray (And he did a damned good job of it too!!)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:27:42 GMT
From: Stop your hysteria Anita (unknown)
Obviously Ray didn't write this stuff. You're the only people who thought for a moment anyone would think he did. Get hold of your emotions and get to a doctor.
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Ah, the "evil Doppelganger" theory!
Re: There may be more than one Raymond Karczewski (I suppose that didn't occur to you, tho)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:29:47 GMT
From: )unknown)
Ha! Good one! Kinda freaks me out though: one f**king psychotic (and his wife) on Oregon Live is more than enough. And by the way, no one knows why the hell they post here. They simply won't shut up.
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What the hell have you done???
Re: A Letter from a Patriot! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:15:57 GMT
From: Why did you say this Ray? (unknown)
STOP THIS SICK ATTEMPT AT MISDIRECTION RAY. Who could fail to notice that despite your asinine history of cutting and pasting every message criticizing you in your psychotic "rebuttals," YOU CUT EVERY SINGLE COMMENT ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF THE PICTURE. This cannot be an accident Ray: SOMETHING DEEPLY WRONG HAS HAPPENED HERE! Think about what you've done: Completely out of nowhere, you suddenly accused American women of making "our kids kill themselves and each other." WHAT MADE YOU SAY A VICIOUS THING LIKE THIS RAY?? Your malicious sentiments about women aside, remarks like this ALWAYS mean something. What did you and/or Anita do that made you make a remark like this out of the blue? WHERE ARE YOUR KIDS Ray? Why are they never here? Why do they have nothing to do with you? I've only seen one girl here in all the time you've been leeching off us in Oregon, and that was literally YEARS AGO, and only for a couple of days. What did you and Anita do that a remark like this would suddenly come out of your mouth? WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS STUPID S**T WHO DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR USING HIGHWAYS OR A DRIVERS LICENSE: this is an obscene attempt to distract people away from a major slip that tells us everything about who you are. WHAT DID YOU DO RAY AND ANITA to make you say "our kids are killing themselves and each other??" The world is better off without disease like you.
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And I had always taken you for just some Internet clown
Re: What the hell have you done??? (Why did you say this Ray?)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:37:36 GMT
From: (unknown)
Why are you accusing American women of making your kids kill themselves and each other? What happened to your family Ray, and what did you do to your kids to trigger this kind of accusation against all American women?
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Re: What the hell have you done??? (Why did you say this Ray?)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:15:29 GMT
From: Explain yourself man (unknown)
This has taken a very sick left turn. Ray, you've been running amok for way too long, and now you're accusing women of making kids kill themselves? Explain yourself man. Now even I'm convinced: you need to be locked up given such psychotic accusations against women.
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Way to go George!
Re: A Letter from a Patriot! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:35:29 GMT
From: What is Ray: your "dream team?" (unknown)
Great idea to throw in with the biggest psychotic on the west coast there man! Maybe Ray can argue your case for you, seeing as how he claims he went from high school straight into law school, but dropped out imediately because he was too smart to be a mere lawyer. Have your head examined man, and if you want to use public facilities, pay your fair share of the money burden.
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Just a cheap s**t who's a freeloader like you
Re: A Letter from a Patriot! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:51:37 GMT
From: Does he abuse his kids too? (unknown)
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Answer the questions Ray
Re: Just a cheap s**t who's a freeloader like you (Does he abuse his kids too?)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:57:58 GMT
From: WHAT DID YOU DO RAY: ANSWER (unknown)
Why did you say "Kids are killing themselves and each other?" Where are your kids Ray? Why are you suddenly so silent about this? WHAT DID YOU DO RAY that made you say this and then neatly move on to an inane topic?
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Day 1 of No Reply from Josephine Co. Mental Health Program
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 05:29:02 GMT
From: One less threat to society on the street (unknown)
Complaints have been sent. Legions of complaints! It's only a matter of time before Ray's Involuntary Commitment hearing is formally scheduled. The court proceedings should be a hoot! Get it out of your system, bRay, cause they don't have internet connections where you're going.
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Ray's saying WOMEN are making kids kill themselves
Re: Answer the man Ray (What the hell have you done?)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:56:36 GMT
From: Does this relate to Anita? (unknown)
Since he's blaming women here, this makes me think there must be something in his past relating to Anita and his kids. What happened here Ray? Why are you making such baseless accusations against other people? And why are you blaming women for killing kids? WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE and family to make you say these things?
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No answer means everything with Ray
Re: Rabid Responses to the Light (Ray) of Truth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:02:45 GMT
From: Something smells rotten in Cave Junction (unknown)
This is an unmistakable habit with Ray: when he has a legitimate response to someone, he rams it right down everyone's throats with a vengence, posting it to scores of e-mail forums. When he does not, however, he falls suddenly and uncharacteristically silent: this must mean someone's hit a real nerve. What happened that you would suggest parents are making kids kill themselves Ray? Kristine's message mentions one of your kids has mental problems and another kid as well, but she never mentions the third: where is this kid? What's the story here that you would attack her for killing kids for no discernable reason?
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"Butt" is the word alright
Re: Ray, your posts are interesting... butt... (B's Bro)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:39:35 GMT
From: Vanilla Gorilla (unknown)
rk" Why did these stalkers/terrorists announce their retirement from >their secure, high profile groups (alt.fan.art-bell, alt.paranormal, >etc.) which they have sought to control for years only to take up the >same momentum formatted differently under a host of "throwaway" >aliases?
I would like to point out that YOU have been using YOUR real name and address, this whole time, and haven't seemed to accomplish YOUR agenda, either. HELL, is it not?
Your mental illness is causing you to complicate something that just isn't really complicated. This country was created for me, and people like me, and we, those people and I, have a duty and obligation to ensure that you, and people like you, don't f**k it all up.
One of the many beauties of this great country is that it IS free. That is the very thing that provides lunatics like you the freedom to threaten people and otherwise babble incoherently for FIVE GODDAM YEARS, and no one's done anything to shut you the HELL up, either temporarily, or permanently.
We are Good, and you are Evil. It really is that simple. Good people do not NEED any conspiracy, to know what is right, and to do it. There is no conspiracy, in spite of what the voices in your head keep telling you. The "sleeping masses" are not buying into your sick, delusional fantasies, for the simple reason that they are a complete load of bullshit, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it instantly, instinctively, and without any trace of doubt.
We are Good, and you are Evil. It really is that simple. You've been saying that you were "casting your pearls before swine", but I submit that what you've really been doing is casting FAKE pearls before oysters.
You are a demented, two-bit, Fascist dictator wannabe. You would be quite willing, if they would only play along, to use our legal system, which you publicly despise, to crush your alleged enemies, to deprive them of the very same freedoms that YOU use and abuse on a daily basis. There is your "essence of bassackwardness" for you.
You want to be some big-time spiritual guru, but you can't even achieve the extremely limited success of your one-time hero, Roy Masters, and it pisses you off to no end. You want to be a guide, but you can't even get your OWN house in order. You try to convince yourself that you are a Savior, but if anyone has the audacity to point out how transparently hypocritical your bulls**t is, instead of trying to convince them otherwise, you would rather threaten them, or verbally abuse them, or both. Every thing you do, and everything you say, reeks of the self-loathing you have, over your failure to out-Roy Roy Masters.
As you have so ironically pointed out on multiple occasions, there is none so blind, as he who will not see, and the Blind Man in this little drama is, and always has been, you. It really is that simple. You aren't even important enough to hate.
-- V.G.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of ed wilkinson and other assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Prophecy come true
Re: Rabid Responses to the Light (Ray) of Truth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:19:46 GMT
From: They've got you dead to rights (unknown)
unk:NEWS FLASH RAY: people will react to threats, abuse, arrogance, and fraud in a negative way. If you stop threatening, abusing, lying, and insulting everyone, you'll have no problem. But of course you won't: you're an obvious mental case and cannot stop yourself.
Looks like they've got you pegged Ray. Why can't you control yourself? Think about it.
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Not a word? What a surprise
Re: Rabid Responses to the Light (Ray) of Truth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:21:31 GMT
From: What happened Ray? (unknown)
So after all your vicious bile about women and children killing themselves and each other, you refuse to asnwer questions about what brought that on? I guess they're right: what happened to your family?
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Your misogyny is showing again Ray
Re: Not a word? What a surprise (What happened Ray?)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:43:50 GMT
From: Keep your hate to yourself for a change (unknown)
rk: Pay attention to the spirit of the following post > written by one who uses the name kristine campbell. > > rk: And you folks wonder why our kids are killing > themselves and each other. > > rk: It speaks for itself!! rk: Is this the state of consciousness American > Women have been reduced to? rk: Hell, isn't it? >
Dipdunk, kristine campbell speaks for the consciousness of the American Women no more than you speak for the TRVTH. Far as I can tell, kristine campbell speaks for only one person, kristine campbell.
The only difference I can see is that folks aren't falling down laughing every time she opens her mouth. But then, she's capable of making sense.
You, on the other hand, are the epitomy of the quote "He who knows NOTHING, knows it the loudest.
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Reason for Ray's weird attacks
Re: Not a word? What a surprise (What happened Ray?)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:54:44 GMT
From: You have much to answer for Ray (unknown)
How telling that you refuse to answer these questions: the fact you're insisting on how this woman is making kids "kill themselves" cannot be fortuitous. What have you done in your life Ray to come up with this sadistic s**t? You have much to asnwer for Ray.
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What is your relation with this woman Ray?
Re: Not a word? What a surprise (What happened Ray?)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:00:05 GMT
From: What did you do Ray? (unknown) Why do you refuse to contextualize the messages you post? You're clearly not to be trusted. What did you do to her that she hates you and your family so much?
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Snipped with Prejudice
Re: Rabid Responses to the Light (Ray) of Truth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:40:53 GMT
From: Clave (unknown)
rk: While most of you who are reading this, hypnotically slumber away > your lives, completely unaware of how you and your loved ones are being > controlled in your lives by those who seek to imprison your minds and > souls through the medium of mind control, the battle for your personal > freedom and sovereignty as a human being goes on right under your noses. > > > How many of you are AWARE of it?
(..snip with prejudice...)
Well, *I* am aware enough to not read any further than this. Do you realize how much of your life has been totally *wasted* writing all this crap?
Jim
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Mirror of Lies
Re: Rabid Responses to the Light (Ray) of Truth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:46:36 GMT
From: You're pure deception (unknown)
rk: PRESSURE THE GOVERNMENT into releasing the results of their investigation. Yes, folks, you can bet an investigation has already been conducted into this matter to some degree before it was derailed at the highest levels of our government.
Nonsense: this is another lie, and you know it. The FBI told you repeatedly to get a grip onyourself, and you're careening into psychosis because of it. Are you nothing but deception and fraud Ray?
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Heart of Darkness
Re: Mirror of Lies (You're pure deception)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:06:34 GMT
From: Think about what you've done first Ray (unknown)
This really exposes a lot about you Ray. Why did you say OTHER people are making kids kill themselves and one another? Why won't you answer questions seeking clarification about your own family? What are you afraid people will know about you Ray? WHERE IS YOUR FAMILY? Think about what you must have done in your own life before you attack other people. You must be an infinitely vicious old man to be so alone in the world.
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Answer the man Ray
Re: Rabid Responses to the Light (Ray) of Truth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:08:32 GMT
From: What the hell have you done? (unknown)
rk: And you folks wonder why our kids are killing themselves and each other. This is a hell of a remark!!!!! What made you say a thing like this? Is there something in your own family that would inspire such an off-the-wall and obscene remark? I've never seen your kids around these parts, and I think you have three of them: do they have anything to do with you? I'll bet you abused the hell out of them when they were too little to get away from you and they don't see you anymore. On the money Ray? As usual, your post tells us much more about you than about anyone else possible.
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Hey Bro: come to Cave Junction
Re: Ray, your posts are interesting... butt... (B's Bro)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:58:37 GMT
From: Concision? Come again? (unknown)
Before you encourage Ray's psychotic abuse, come on down here and spend some time. Let's see how "interesting" you find him when you've got him personally on your back. Again, Ray's not some Internet fiction: he's deeply unbalanced, angry at the entire world, and out for vengeance. Concision isn't an answer here, unless you're into the same kind of abuse as well: I never noticed this before, but who knows.
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:49:27 GMT, Bob Compton (bob_compton@my-deja.com) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@my-deja.com) wrote:
rk: >> I invite all who have followed this 5-year-long issue of Internet mind control/disinformation which threatens our American Way of Life as much as, if not more than *Vote Fraud,* and who desire to see this matter brought to closure, to view the online petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
bc: >Ray, you'll be happy to know that your petition seems to have taken off. There are over 11 signatures already!
bc: >12. Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs
bc: >11. Ok, fine.
bc: >10. A friend
bc: >9. Stonewall
bc: >8. Frank Fink
bc: >7. Lola Bunny
bc: >6. Special Agent Gray
bc: >5. Pink Pated Titty Trolling Spammer
bc: >4. Bob Beckett bc:
bc: >3. Christ on a bicycle
bc: >2. Anita L. Karczewski
bc: >1. Raymond Karczewski
bc: >bob,
bc: >who, obviously, didn't sign the petition
rk: What is obvious about your post is the compensatory pride taken in a mad rush to display one's cleverness, yet all the while remaining completely unable to understand the corruption of cleverness for what it truly is.
rk: In the above list only two names are genuine. Mine and Anita's. Two names. Genuine. Real. Whole. True. What's wrong with that picture?
rk: Ask yourself, what are the actions of a *reasonable* man when asked to sign a petition? If he is in agreement and in full support of the issue, he simply signs the petition. If he is not in agreement or in support of the statement of the petition, a reasonable man merely passes it by, does not sign the petition. Are you getting a glimmer yet of the BASSACKWARD quality of your actions and those of your cohorts?
rk: Only in a BASSACKWARD world will dumbed-down, corrupt ignoramuses cackle with glee while trashing a petition they don't agree with and use it as an object for their personal graffiti.
rk: Look at Florida. See the unfolding insanity of the vote scam. Out of that corruption America's "Leadership" is expected to emerge.
rk: The signators who have thus responded to my petition are merely the microcosm reflecting the macrocosm that is the Political hotbed unfolding in Florida. When insanity and corruption becomes the pridefully defended norm, what else can be said for such a society but that it is BASSACKWARDS?!!
rk: What does such behavior reflect? Are these the acts of balanced men or imbalanced ignoramuses floundering about in their own personal, compensatory, cleverness-oriented confusion? As in all matters of self-evident Truth, the question answers itself, does it not?
rk: One need look no further than at the Vote Scandal now growing in our Country. Millions are controlled daily by such "LEGION" of clever ignoramuses plying their mind control and disinformation *trade* along with their *black bag* assaults on our Freedoms. Such unleashed insanity is intimidating to the timid who shrink away from such assaults upon their tenuous hold upon their innate, God-given intelligence. These are your typical voters who long ago capitulated to their personal doubts and fears. And so they hunker down or retreat in fear with the meagre hope of being left alone, if even for only a moment.
rk: Perhaps I -- like a few others who have historically come and gone before me in setting out to find just one other "honest" man, the discovery of whom would forestall the destruction of their society -- have set my sights a little bit too high in expecting that people who profess to want a better world for themselves and their children would sign this petition.
rk: The blind and the ignorant are merely impotent, frightened, codependent, conditioned human beings. They are unable to stand on their own feet as holistic human beings and so must flock together as *sheeple* in order to sustain a mutual sense of security. Might makes right, eh? Only in a BASSACKWARD world, only in a BASSACKWARD world!
rk: The present lesson being taught to packs of psychologically arrested, roving MALE predators is how a single, mature, balanced, reasonable MAN, capable of standing alone, looks and acts.
rk: I understand many who read my words recoil when hearing words like IGNORAMUSES, but if the "Shoe Fits," what else can one be expected to wear?
rk: I have written in the past on these Internet newsgroups about voter fraud -- long before this election and places like Florida were being discussed. Although then the writings appealed only to the subtler levels of consciousness enjoyed by the "Spiritually Sighted."
rk: Grossly conditioned, dumbed-down IGNORAMUSES ridiculed the posts then, just as they do now. Why? Is it not to hide their own sense of impotence and lack of integrity? What else is hypocrisy but a shield of ignorance?
rk: What does that say about millions of voters who have been conditioned to put their trust, their lives, and yes, even their own destinies in the hands of their "leadership's" sponsored/supported vote counters?
rk: I needn't belabor the point. Even the most ignorant amongst you today would *think twice* before defending the present corrupt political system with oft-repeated inanities like "our system may be flawed, but it's the best in the world."
rk: As a Josephine County, Oregon Grand Jury member in 1998, my wife Anita took the initiative that is the right (and perhaps the only thing that will save this country from self-destruction at the hands of its leaders) and the intrinsic duty of all Grand Jury members and launched an investigation into Voter Fraud in Josephine County, Oregon. Such bold action only resulted in her being excused from her Grand Jury duties.
rk: Has anybody from Josephine County, Oregon seen any public reports aired on radio or TV, or read in the newspapers of the Josephine County Grand Jury investigation into Vote Fraud? Ask yourself, has our media a vested interest in keeping such news secret from the public?
rk: Why do you suppose that over the last three years not a single public word regarding this Internet Mind Control/Disinformation issue has been *leaked* by the media to a vast non computer-using public. Yes indeed, the STONE WALL of SILENCE is an effective tool in the hands of a corrupt, power-oriented government/media playing *hardball.*
rk: The petition speaks for itself. It will serve as a barometer of change for the human species. It is the instrument which will wake some people up from their hypnotic mind controlled slumber; for it calls for action, not mere empty words. The other more recalcitrant somnambulists will only awaken later when their space, their freedoms, have been stripped away and all that awaits them is the horrific stimuli of civil war and bloody revolution
rk: The world watches and waits to see the fate of these United States. This barometer of change may be found at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
rk: It will serve to mirror the actual, not intellectual, Intelligence of the American People.
rk: I have written extensively on how to avoid a bloody revolution in this country. You will find the articles and sound files on my web site - http://www.arkenterprises.com - my bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm and in the DejaNews archives. As such, I'll not belabor the point here.
rk: The Crisis I have been writing of is now in its physically overt implementation stage.
rk: What is the Crisis? It is this unresolved Voter Fraud issue that will be drawn out until the populace, in their fear and uncertainty, turns to violence. How many of you actually see it? How many of you continue to rationalize what is right in front of your noses because your manipulated intellect is gripped with fear and your conditioned capitulation (Peace at all cost) reactions are clouding your direct perception?
rk: Governments throughout history have understood the value of driving wedges (Divide and Conquer) which separate/divide conditioned peoples into fragmented warring factions, pitting them against each other, be it Class War, Civil War, or Race War. This will be the psychological tool used by government leaders to fuel this crisis. It will be implemented by and focused upon by the media, the information arm of our corporate-controlled society, Thus will be set into motion the destruction of our present society. It will ignite overt violence -- pitting democrats against republicans, neigbor against neighbor, brother against brother, all because of the manipulatable beliefs which drive conditioned human beings.
rk: Pay attention! Watch closely how anger and frustration arise within you in "response" to the unfolding events.
rk: Observe how such keyed resentment begin to cloud your judgment.
rk: Pay attention to how your ensuing confusion will be exacerbated by a repetitive media which is bent upon unbalancing a politically fragmented populace.
rk: Such pent up anger and frustration must lead to widespread overt violence in our nation. This will key the "reaction" of government in justifying their imposition of martial law.
rk: When that occurs, our U.S. Constitution will be suspended and the once great United States of America will be history.
rk: Do you want to stop it NOW? Do you want to stop it cold in its tracks? Then don't play the game with the rulemakers who are responsible for the rules which govern the game. Have you not heard of the BASSACKWARD Golden Rule -- "Those who hold the gold make the rules, and those who make the rules, win the game"?
rk: How many times have you heard the phrase "WAKE UP, AMERICA" in my Internet articles? Well it's Now or Never!!
rk: Go to your employers. Renegotiate your "voluntary" withholding agreement with them so that you receive your full day's wage for a full day's work. Do not allow it to be syphoned off, to be stripped away from you and given to the government before you receive you hard earned money.
rk: Take away the money which fuels the errant instrument which now threatens your future quality of life.
rk: As a sovereign citizen, with a full complement of money in your hands, fund the kind of government you want with a vote of your pocketbook, not empty votes, which by now ought to have proved to even the grossest of conditioned consciousness to be vulnerable to the corruption of manipulation and therefore meaningless.
rk: Take YOUR money out of the hands of the parasitic money handlers, the rule makers. Put them out of work. When their positions of POWER dry up, as they surely will, the elitists, the few who rule the many will soon realize the True meaning of the equality of man. Then watch how fast the power returns to the hands of the true value producers, YOU, ME, US -- "the American People."
rk: That is the way we can save our Country from the clutches of the NEW WORLD ORDER, and do it BLOODLESSLY!!
Note: If you are in agreement with the content of this post, please sign the petition at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html and pass this article on to your friends. Let us at least open the eyes of "those who cannot see."