Since Sept 13, 2000, I wrote 69 articles to a average of 18 newsgroups and a couple of forums (1242 articles). These articles displayed the question:

" Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail. "

rk: Keep in mind, there are an estimated 260 million people who populate this Nation of ours.

rk: The question is simple and self-explanatory. It follows years of my, so far, fruitless attempts to break my Federal Government Official's silence regarding the outcome of an FBI Complaint I filed with the Medford Office of the FBI on Nov. 2nd, 1997.

rk: The investigation goes to the very heart of our US Constitution, our freedoms, and a relationship of a people with its government. My attempts to hold my government officials accountable in a long drawn out one-man campaign has only demonstrated that those government officials I have contacted demonstrate they no no longer serve under the restraints placed upon them by our US Constitution.

rk: It is for that reason that I took the issue to the American Public. It called for just one OTHER person (other than myself) to ask a simple question in public, requiring a simple public response which would then be reported to the general populace by our MEDIA to the question presently STONE WALLED for years by our Federal Officials. The question deals with the issue of Government/Media sponsored/supported Mind Control/Disinformation experiments being conducted on "unwary" users of the Internet.

rk: Keep in mind if you will, the number 260 MILLION. That is the approximate number of people living in our country. Does anybody but me find it curious that as yet, NO ONE HAS ASKED the question of the Presidential Candidates despite numerous campaign stops and several debates? If the question was indeed asked, why hasn't the media reported it?

rk: Is that control of Information?

rk: Is that control of Minds?

rk: Have the American people lost control over their government?

rk: Is the election process a sham?

rk: Are we being betrayed by the Media whom we have trusted for our daily view of the world?

rk: Answer the questions for yourself, for each of you are responsible for your own life, your own future and the future of your family.

rk: What follows is necessarily lengthy. It is for the serious reader concerned with the freedoms guaranteed us by our Constitution.

rk: Read it quietly. There you will get a grasp of the "bigger picture" your Federal Officials do not want you to SEE.

rk: I have sought to combine the contents of 3 posts written over the last 2 1/2 days.

rk: Read it and see for yourself the danger of living in a country of 260 million of muted individuals whose only purpose is to support an uncaring government which displays disdain for those who support it.

rk: Who amongst you can hold up your head with dignity, summon up the courage and act like a responsible AMERICAN by holding your Presidential Candidates responsible for rendering Truthful answers about the government's "crimes against the people."

rk: By the way, the "QUESTION" is again repeated at the bottom of this post.

Director Louis Freeh

Federal Bureau of Investigation

Washington D.C.

Mr. Freeh,

On my website link http://www.arkenterprises.com/raypi.jpg you will find a copy of my California Private Investigator's License.

After viewing that document and assigning an investigator to make an appropriate followup investigation in order to corroborate its authenticity, I suggest you direct your investigator to read the article links below.

Therein lies a prima facie case of the lesser included felony offense of "Conspiracy to Libel"; a criminal offense which clearly and inarguably lies within the jurisdiction of your agency.

A cursory background on the individuals responsible for this criminal conspiracy will provide the necessary links to the Government Intelligence Community/Major Broadcast Media which have supported/sponsored some of these individuals in conducting mind control/disinformation experiments upon unwary users of the Internet, clearly a major crime against the American People.

Isn't it time the STONE WALL of silence erected by your agency regarding this criminal complaint lodged with your Medford, Oregon Field Office on November 2nd, 1997 comes to an end?

The reputation of the FBI under your leadership, along with the reputation/integrity of President Clinton, Oregon Senators Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith, and members of the Media is at stake.

I for one DEMAND that this case be followed up and these individuals brought to justice.

A Nation awaits your action.

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Anybody Care to Hire an Anonymous "Lawyer?"

Date: 10/06/2000

http://x59.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=678386783 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Internet Terrorism: Anonymous Complainants and Mental Health Commitments: What's Wrong with this Picture?

Date: 10/06/2000

http://x59.deja.com//getdoc.xp?AN=678386568 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Are You in This World, but Not "OF IT"?

Date: 10/07/2000

http://x58.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=678616853 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Attention FBI: What's It Going to Take For You to Move onThis?

Date: 10/08/2000

http://x59.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=679072741 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Wed, 12th, 2000

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

rk: Keep em coming, fellas. One thing about Mirrors. They never tire of reflecting the inarguable "WHAT IS."

rk: Can any of you say C-O-R-R-O-B-O-R-A-T-I-V-E E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E?

rk: Better yet, can you hear that STONE WALL CRUMBLING?

rk: I do hope you "morally, mentally, and physically superior," types know how to swim, for when the "Ship of State" you have put so much trust in begins to sink, I suggest you be very wary when you hear the nearby cry "man overboard." It may be referring to you.

rk: See you in Federal Court!!

rk: This is for all you SLEEPY HEADS out there. Wake Up, America!!

rk: Pay particular attention to blaine henry's, aka digger and vanilla gorilla's, post(s) below:

rk: Note the "in your face" indifference to the consequences of their actions when vg. states, "People like me rule people like you, because we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you.", eh?

rk: I suggest you folks let that sink in order to understand what has really been going on within these Internet newsgroups/forums over the last five years. Wake up and move to hold your government responsible on this one while you still have a country to move on, otherwise you are in for a very "RUDE AWAKENING."

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Re: The Nobody and the Somebody -- The Christ and the Ignoramus REPOST

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:08:38 -0800

rk: >> It is this "unawareness" that has allowed the few to rule the many since the dawn of Civilization.

vg: This is called "oligarchy", or "rule by the elite". It's supposed to be this way, and I am fully in favor of it. People like me rulepeople like you, because we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you. Frankly, we couldn't care less, whether you or anyone else are aware of it, as you are far too impotent to be able to do anything about it.

vg: Ever wonder why almost five years of your plaintive wailing have had NO effect, whatsoever? Well, wonder no more, Fat Boy. We know. You know. We know that YOU know, and now, you know that WE know. We just don't give a shit. Your poor, minuscule intellect cannot even comprehend its own insignificance. It's the old "mind over matter" problem, we don't mind, and you don't matter.

vg: It's like this: If you were good enough, you'd be in charge now.

vg: It's so simple, even you should have been able to figure it out, before now, but you haven't.

--

V.G.

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Re: You Have a Right to Remain Silent! exerpt sent to Senator Wyden's Office.

dr. digger wrote:

arkent@cdsnet.net (Raymond Karczewski) wrote:

rk: You Have a Right to Remain Silent!

d: Fuck that right! I'm guilty!

rk: What is this piece of advice? "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of Law....etc, etc, etc."

rk: Not only have the bullies not heeded this advice in the ensuing months since the case was referred to the FBI, they trip over each other in putting their damning statements in writing.

rk: What does it say about a predatory group which relies upon outside intercessors to plead on their behalf to stop the present Conspiracy to Libel investigation by the FBI when they themselves spur each other on to increase the momentum and intensity of their self-incriminating behavior?

rk: Considering the consequences which will result from their prideful, irresponsible, and reprehensible behavior in this matter, such continual "pushing the envelope" makes them downright STUPID.

d: Ray! When you sent off for that matchbook-cover cluelessness course, did you remember not to mail the matches?

d: I, for one, have already tried to turn myself in to the FBI. As you recall, I called the Medford Resident Agency, and offered to assist them in their investigation. Not only did they not want to hear my confession, but they weren't interested in questioning me, nor even in talking to me! After a month, no Special Agent has shown up at my door!

d: Now look, I have waived all my 5th amendment rights! I confess! I have ridiculed you, blocked your posts, libeled you, called you a fucking liar repeatedly, denied you your freedom of speech, and conspired with others to do all the above! Is there anything else? I confess to everything! I admit I'm guilty as a cat with canary feathers all over its puss! What more do you possibly need, bRaaay?

d: Now, where's my everluvven FBI agent, you bottom-feeding motherfucker?

rk: ATTN: FBI This post by digger constitutes a clear, unambiguous, and freely rendered public CONFESSION to the above charges, including the admission that he "conspired with others to do all the above!" (See above charges.) Such an unambiguous and direct admission of participation involving the "other members of the AFAB Bully group" in a CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL is an unquestionable FELONY which falls within your agency's investigative jurisdiction.

rk: FAILURE TO ACT UPON THIS CONFESSION OPENS THE FBI TO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION,INCOMPETENCE, AND/OR MALFEASANCE. What could possibly be the political circumstances by which you place the reputation of your agency in jeopardy by such a failure to act on this timely Constitutional FREE SPEECH issue? Why is the agency so deliberately bent on opening itself to PUBLIC SCANDAL AND RIDICULE through such a blatant demonstration of its failure to act in the performance of its sworn duties?

rk: As a retired police sergeant living on a pension from a California police agency, I find your agency's conduct in this matter to be unconscionable. It is as mind boggling to one interested in justice as it would be to perceive a murderer walk into your office,openly confess to a murder he has just committed only to be "kissed off" by the intake screening agent telling him "Don't bother me, can't you see I'm eating a "doughnut?" Is this laughingstock image really desired by any responsible law enforcement agency?

rk: A copy of this article is being posted to ALL appropriate political and general newsgroup including CONGRESS.

rk: We shall see how long a public agency can persist in avoiding the responsibility of performing its sworn duty! Perhaps it is time to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!

rk: I encourage all who are concerned with the quality of service now being provided by publicly funded governmental agencies which do not perform their sworn duties to contact their State Congressmen and Representatives, along with their local FBI office. INSIST upon a full accounting of FBI actions taken in the current open case of CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL submitted to the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI in November of last year (1997) by Raymond Karczewski.

rk: Perhaps it is time for CONGRESS to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!!

dr. digger, BsD, PMAFA, HdPD, AAAA

http://www.skepticult.org Member, Overseers' Cabal Of alt.paranormal (TINOCOap)

Ambushing Sidewinder of the SKEP-TI-CULT®

afa-b Bully®Special Agent in Charge of the Special Agent in Charge of Ray's case "The arrest of the afa-b Bullies® is imminent, and always will be."

"Exposing the depravity of you sick people is not hatred, it's a public service." --

Bruce Daniel Kettler, KotY, LMAx3, famous spammer

"We all know we could make a baby cry by hurting it very easily-the POINT is what sort of psychologically deranged and powerless ego

WANTS to do that day in and day out?" --

Crybaby Wollmann, KotM, KotY-in-training, loser of 9 accounts

The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of ed wilkinson and other assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

The FBI: America's Disgrace (yadda, yadda etc.)

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

From: RAY, IT EXPIRED ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO??? (unknown)

On my website link http://www.arkenterprises.com/raypi.jpg you will find a copy of my California Private Investigator's License.

After viewing that document and assigning an investigator to make an appropriate followup investigation in order to corroborate its authenticity, I suggest you direct your investigator to read the article links below.

Your license expired almost 30 years ago Raymond. Come back to reality man. How "authentic" could a thirty year old document be, you pompous ass? Given your thinking skills, it meant nothing even when it was "valid." Go figure!

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That's just it

Re: This must be a joke (Ray's had the last laugh on you people)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:13:06 GMT

From: Ray exists and is serious in his paranoi (unknown)

It's no joke, believe it or not. I live near the man. He's practically foaming at the mouth in his delusions of being persecuted by the government, and he gets worse every day. He's dead serious in threatening the FBI, CIA, White House, Ron Wydon, etc, though he's a laugh riot as well. It started out being entertaining, but it turned sickening long ago. Go figure!

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The real reason Ray K has no ODL

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:40:45 GMT

From: sorry Ray the TRUTH had to be told (unknown)

How Legal Rights Are Affected By Commitment In general, most legal rights are not affected by civil commitment. A person who is committed retains all legal and civil rights, including the right to vote and make contracts unless a court has found the person incompetent. ORS 426.380.

Some specific rights can be limited as a result of civil commitment:

Firearms - Persons who have been committed are forbidden from owning, buying, or possessing firearms. ORS 426.130(1)(d); ORS 166.250.

Future commitments - If a person is committed twice within the past three years, he or she can be committed more easily in the future. ORS 426.495.

Driving - Commitment can affect a person's ability to get or keep a driver's license. If a person has a mental disability or disease that prevents the person from exercising reasonable and ordinary control over a motor vehicle, the person cannot be licensed. ORS 807.090; ORS 807.700; ORS 809.410(16)

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I bet Ray loves the attention you shower on him.

Re: The real reason Ray K has no ODL (sorry Ray the TRUTH had to be told)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:43:12 GMT

From: Hopjacker (unknown)

If he's the one that's crazy, why are you spending so much time researching his posts ? You are playing right into his hands, and people like you are the only reason he keeps posting his nonsense here. Just ignore him and let him fade away......

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Ever hear of JOKES Ray? Get a sense of humor why don't you?

Re: Hey Ray: Just saw your Letter to Louis Freeh (Nothing like being sane, huh Ray?)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:55:34 GMT

From: You take yourself WAY too seriously man! (unknown)

Re: You Have a Right to Remain Silent! exerpt sent to Senator Wyden's Office.

dr. digger wrote:

rk: You Have a Right to Remain Silent!

d: F**k that right! I'm guilty!

rk: What is this piece of advice? "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of Law....etc, etc, etc."

rk: Not only have the bullies not heeded this advice in the ensuing months since the case was referred to the FBI, they trip over each other in putting their damning statements in writing.

rk: What does it say about a predatory group which relies upon outside intercessors to plead on their behalf to stop the present Conspiracy to Libel investigation by the FBI when they themselves spur each other on to increase the momentum and intensity of their self-incriminating behavior?

rk: Considering the consequences which will result from their prideful, irresponsible, and reprehensible behavior in this matter, such continual "pushing the envelope" makes them downright STUPID.

d: Ray! When you sent off for that matchbook-cover cluelessness course, did you remember not to mail the matches?

d: I, for one, have already tried to turn myself in to the FBI. As you recall, I called the Medford Resident Agency, and offered to assist them in their investigation. Not only did they not want to hear my confession, but they weren't interested in questioning me, nor even in talking to me! After a month, no Special Agent has shown up at my door!

d: Now look, I have waived all my 5th amendment rights! I confess! I have ridiculed you, blocked your posts, libeled you, called you a f**king liar repeatedly, denied you your freedom of speech, and conspired with others to do all the above! Is there anything else? I confess to everything! I admit I'm guilty as a cat with canary feathers all over its puss! What more do you possibly need, bRaaay?

d: Now, where's my everluvven FBI agent, you bottom-feeding motherf**ker?

rk: ATTN: FBI This post by digger constitutes a clear, unambiguous, and freely rendered public CONFESSION to the above charges, including the admission that he "conspired with others to do all the above!" (See above charges.) Such an unambiguous and direct admission of participation involving the "other members of the AFAB Bully group" in a CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL is an unquestionable FELONY which falls within your agency's investigative jurisdiction.

rk: FAILURE TO ACT UPON THIS CONFESSION OPENS THE FBI TO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION,INCOMPETENCE, AND/OR MALFEASANCE. What could possibly be the political circumstances by which you place the reputation of your agency in jeopardy by such a failure to act on this timely Constitutional FREE SPEECH issue? Why is the agency so deliberately bent on opening itself to PUBLIC SCANDAL AND RIDICULE through such a blatant demonstration of its failure to act in the performance of its sworn duties?

rk: As a retired police sergeant living on a pension from a California police agency, I find your agency's conduct in this matter to be unconscionable. It is as mind boggling to one interested in justice as it would be to perceive a murderer walk into your office,openly confess to a murder he has just committed only to be "kissed off" by the intake screening agent telling him "Don't bother me, can't you see I'm eating a "doughnut?" Is this laughingstock image really desired by any responsible law enforcement agency?

rk: A copy of this article is being posted to ALL appropriate political and general newsgroup including CONGRESS.

rk: We shall see how long a public agency can persist in avoiding the responsibility of performing its sworn duty! Perhaps it is time to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!

rk: I encourage all who are concerned with the quality of service now being provided by publicly funded governmental agencies which do not perform their sworn duties to contact their State Congressmen and Representatives, along with their local FBI office. INSIST upon a full accounting of FBI actions taken in the current open case of CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL submitted to the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI in November of last year (1997) by Raymond Karczewski.

rk: Perhaps it is time for CONGRESS to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!!

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Freeh must be SCREAMING in terror now Ray

Re: Ever hear of JOKES Ray? Get a sense of humor why don't you? (You take yourself WAY too seriously man!)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:11:28 GMT

From: Diggin' the hole deeper, huh Ray? (unknown)

rk: FAILURE TO ACT UPON THIS CONFESSION OPENS THE FBI TO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION,INCOMPETENCE, AND/OR MALFEASANCE. What could possibly be the political circumstances by which you place the reputation of your agency in jeopardy by such a failure to act on this timely Constitutional FREE SPEECH issue? Why is the agency so deliberately bent on opening itself to PUBLIC SCANDAL AND RIDICULE through such a blatant demonstration of its failure to act in the performance of its sworn duties?

The only one bent on opening himself up to public scandal and ridicule is you Ray. Keep it up though: such hysterical exaggeration shows everything people have been saying about your mental condition is extreme understatement.

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Hysteria

Re: Ever hear of JOKES Ray? Get a sense of humor why don't you? (You take yourself WAY too seriously man!)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:14:32 GMT

From: Take it down a few notches (unknown)

rk: I find your agency's conduct in this matter to be unconscionable. It is as mind boggling to one interested in justice as it would be to perceive a murderer walk into your office,openly confess to a murder he has just committed only to be "kissed off" by the intake screening agent telling him "Don't bother me, can't you see I'm eating a "doughnut?" Is this laughingstock image really desired by any responsible law enforcement agency?

So people calling you nuts is murder now Ray? Have you always been so hysterical and thoughtlessly abusive?

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I just accepted Raymond Christ..... won't you?

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:49:19 GMT

From: Former Roybot/Skepticultist/Bully (unknown)

I have just accepted Ray Karczewski as my own personal Lord and Savior.

I can't begin to tell you what peace and joy has come over me. I now have telepathic powers of instant (timeless) discernment too!

All the dualism and intellect and conditioning of civilization has been washed away by the Holistic (Holy) River of TRVTH. Now i can be as free as i wish!

Please, good reader, accept Ray as your own Christ lest you be condemned to an FBI investigation and an eternal prison term. Hell, isn't it?

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Hey Ray: Just saw your Letter to Louis Freeh

Re: I just accepted Raymond Christ..... won't you? (Former Roybot/Skepticultist/Bully)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:07:20 GMT

From: Nothing like being sane, huh Ray? (unknown)

Great work my man: you're bound to be taken seriously by Freeh, what with attacking the agency as a national "disgrace," making wild accusations of a government/media conspiracy you could never prove, not to mention the usual inane stuff about mind control/disinformation experiments conducted by the government by Internet. Those BASSACKWARDS AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT ignoramuses must be shaking in their boots now. Way to go! By the way, please post Freeh's response if you get one: great entertainment value all the way around!

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FBI: America's Disgrace

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:40:59 GMT

From: (unknown)

The FBI: America's Disgrace!

Hmm the FBI can't be that bad since they appear to have you pegged as a kook. Who said the FBI never gets anything right?

Isn't it time the STONE WALL of silence erected by your agency

The only stone wall that exists is the one between your ears.

Your pathetic incoherence and inability to understand the obvious, that being; that you have no case worth looking into. Delusions and kook farts are a waste of time.

The reputation of the FBI under your leadership, along with the reputation/integrity of President Clinton, Oregon Senators Ron >Wyden and Gordon Smith, and members of the Media is at stake.

ROTFLMAO if anyone in office took you seriously then yes their reputations would be at stake. However as is, you are little more than an amusing kook who thinks his delusions are real.

Just line up Ray with the other kooks your not the only one LOL.

I for one DEMAND that this case be followed up and these >individuals brought to justice.

Why is it kooks always demand something?

A Nation awaits your action.

Don't you mean YOU await action? It aint coming cause you have no case period.

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FBI Threats, as usual, from Ray

Re: FBI: America's Disgrace

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:42:16 GMT

From: (unknown)

The FBI: America's Disgrace!

Yeah, that's good, insult the very organization whose help you're pretending to seek.

Director Louis Freeh > Federal Bureau of Investigation > Washington D.C. > > Mr. Freeh,

Why would he be reading this on any of these three newsgroups?

On my website link http://www.arkenterprises.com/raypi.jpg you will find a copy of my California Private Investigator's License.

Didn't that expire twenty-six years ago?

And I don't think it would do you much good in Oregon. After viewing that document and assigning an investigator to make > an appropriate followup investigation in order to corroborate its > authenticity, I suggest you direct your investigator to read the > article links below.

Unless I'm mistaken, you were the author of every one of those articles.

Therein lies a prima facie case of the lesser included felony > offense of "Conspiracy to Libel"; a criminal offense which > clearly and inarguably lies within the jurisdiction of your > agency.

So, you're admitting to libel against yourself.

What the hell are you talking about?

A cursory background on the individuals responsible for this > criminal conspiracy will provide the necessary links to the > Government Intelligence Community/Major Broadcast Media which > have supported/sponsored some of these individuals in conducting > mind control/disinformation experiments upon unwary users of the > Internet, clearly a major crime against the American People. Think about your ravings for a moment. If, as you imply, the CIA/NSA/MI-5/6/Massad/NKVD/CNNBCBS (a division of ABC) were in on this, why would the FBI do anything about it?

Isn't it time the STONE WALL of silence erected by your agency > regarding this criminal complaint lodged with your Medford, Oregon Field Office on November 2nd, 1997 comes to an end?

Yes, because the FBI has nothing better to do than investigate the ravings of a lone nut.

The reputation of the FBI under your leadership, along with the > reputation/integrity of President Clinton, Oregon Senators Ron > Wyden and Gordon Smith, and members of the Media is at stake.

I thought the media were in on it.

I for one DEMAND that this case be followed up and these > individuals brought to justice.

What individuals?

The only person you've named here or in those other rantings is yourself.

A Nation awaits your action.

Which one?

It sure as hell ain't the US.

Ray Karczewski

The rest is just too much to leave in.

Honestly, I haven't seen that much crap outside a cesspool.

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Ray, this is not the bloody Jerry Springer Show

Re: FBI Threats, as usual, from Ray

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:00:44 GMT

From: Will somebody commit this guy already? (unknown)

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Ler Wyden or Freeh commit him

Re: Ray, this is not the bloody Jerry Springer Show (Will somebody commit this guy already? )

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:33:47 GMT

From: They've got bodyguards(unknown)

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Coughing up Body Parts on Usenet

Re: FBI: America's Disgrace

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:46:09 GMT

From: VG (unknown)

HOLY POLISH JESUS!!! There IS a God!!!

Every once in a while, for a brief, shining moment, the student becomes the teacher, and life gets REAL GOOD. I've been poking at you for MONTHS, with that whole "SuperTroll" nonsense, and you've treated me like a worn out shoe, and now, you chow on THIS piece of crap? You've made my whole day, Raymond! Thanks, man! I spent two or three minutes on that, at the most. This is a great country, when a lowlife like me can go from chopped liver to TROLL GOD, at the speed of light. Un-f**king-believable! Damn! Hell, if my state had a lottery, I'd go buy a ticket, RIGHT NOW!!!! Er, well, I would have to put some pants on, but I'm sure *you* know what I mean.

When I read this, I laughed so hard, I almost coughed up a testicle. I had to open a window so I could get some fresh air, and jump-start my lungs again.

By the way, digger and I do use the same ISP, and in fact, he only lives a couple of miles away from me, but that doesn't make us the same person, unless I can use the same logic to "prove" that everyone who uses my-deja, or cdsinternet is really you, in disguise. Is this an example of your detective skills? By the way, I seem to be noticing a trend, with you and expired licenses. Did that one get suspended too? HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!

The fact that I really AM morally, mentally, and physically superior to you, although completely irrelevant, is icing on the cake. Ain't life grand? GOD DAMN! After all the carefully crafted horseshit I've thrown out there, THIS was the one that tripped your trigger. There's a larger lesson here, for any budding troll-ettes in the audience, and that is, you just never know which post is going to be "THE ONE", so never, never give up. I don't know if the planets were lined up just right, or what. I wish I did know, so I could do it again.

Rock on, Brother, and F**K that medication! You're a hoot, just the way you are. As long as you have Internet access, I'm guaranteed not to ever run out of material. The sad part is, how long it will take me to hook into you again. It's worth the wait, though, if it is as good as this one. Fortunately for you, this is a "catch-and-release" area. So, how does it feel, being on the wrong end of the hook, for a change, hmm? Pretty stupid? It should, but don't feel too bad. After all, I did learn it from the best of the best, didn't I? Goddam right, I did, and it's all archived forever, on DEJA NEWS, baby. "Life's pretty sweet, when you're elite." ( I just now made that up. Like it?)

I owe it all to you, SuperTroll, and I remain

the bRAYniac!!!!!

(It ain't easy, being sleazy!)

P.S. - Are you going to post THIS on your web site, and to OregonLive, too, FatBoy?

I dare ya. If you don't, I just might.

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Disinfotainment for your viewing pleasure

Re: Coughing up Body Parts on Usenet (VG)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:58:20 GMT

From: Brought to you by Digger (unknown)

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@my-deja.com) wrote:

rk: This is for all you SLEEPY HEADS out there. Wake Up, America!! > > rk: Pay particular attention to blaine henry's, aka digger and vanilla > gorilla's, post(s) below: > rk: Note the "in your face" indifference to the consequences of their > actions when vg. states, "People like me rule people like you, because > we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you." Morally, > mentally, and physically superior, eh?

Are you unable to confront the TRVTH reflected before you?

Yes, Brother Monkeyshine and I are both seasoned disinfotainment agents, although he is very witty, so it's nice of you to think i'm him. And in fact we only live a few blocks apart.

But then, you think Empath and Mitzen are the same person. You think a lot of kooky things. Ray, you should really talk to Mr. Beckett.

JOSEPHINE COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT CLINICAL SERVICES Crisis > Services - Emergency Phone Number 541-474-5365. Crisis Services are > provided 24 hours a day to anyone experiencing a Mental Health > Emergency. > > Josephine County Mental Health Program Robert C. Beckett, Administrator > 714 NW A Street Grants Pass, OR 97526 Phone: (541) 474-5365 Fax: (541) > 474-5366 Website: http://www.jcmhd.com

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Olly, olly oxenfree

Re: Coughing up Body Parts on Usenet (VG)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:59:39 GMT

From: VG (unknown)

Dear SuperTroll, Your posts are getting as corpulent as you are, so I've snipped 539 of the original 542 lines of this one out. I know you have saved every damn thing you've ever posted, so go look that one up again.

Now, I'm going to tell you another secret. Every single letter of my full, legal name, was contained in that post, and in the correct order. My full address is even there, too, in order, except for the Zip Code.

The rest is up to you, Columbo. Figger it out.

Then, come get me, FatBoy.

"See you in federal court!" Har-har-har. You're a hoot, Raymondo, but

I AM the bRAYniac!!!!

--

V.G.

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More Explanations of Ray Karczewski

Re: FBI: America's Disgrace

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:47:18 GMT

From: Have a nice disinformation day Ray (unknown)

rk: This is being reposted for several reasons. 1.) You're a spammer. 2.) You suffer from MPD. 3.) You're a spammer. 4.) You suffer from a clinical Paranoia disorder. 5.) You're a spammer. 6.) You're the Unibomer posting from a Federal Facility. 7.) Did I mention you were a spammer?

Another Disinformation Agent no doubt, Keith

snipped and sent to the CDC for analysis

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Inarguable TRVTHS Ray

Re: FBI: America's Disgrace

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:51:12 GMT

From: Get thee to a hospital Ray (unknown)

rk: Note the "in your face" indifference to the consequences of their actions when vg. states, "People like me rule people like you, because we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you.", eh?

Given the hysterical and childish way you conduct yourself, who could argue with him when he says this? How did you get yourself into this s**t anyway Ray? At your age, you should have more poise and wisdom than to make such a stupid show of your mental illness.

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Is it not so?

Re: FBI: America's Disgrace

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:53:19 GMT

From: Hell, isn't it? (unknown)

Hahahhaha... Mr Ray you are a treat, are you not. Now you have said 'See you in Federal Court', now is that the non-dualistic essence of Life speaking, the Mirror of Truth speaking, or the dualisticly crude bassackward ego of one Mr Ray at his keyboard?

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C-O-R-R-O-B-O-R-A-T-I-V-E E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E

Re: FBI: America's Disgrace

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:23:10 GMT

From: Mind like a broken trap (unknown)

rk: Can any of you say C-O-R-R-O-B-O-R-A-T-I-V-E E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E?

Of what my man? Yeah, you've got a whole s**tload of people making fun of you on the Internet. But THINK HARD O expired California investigator, Christ, and MIRROR OF TRVTH reflection of BASSACKWARD IGNORAMUS AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOY lunacy: what does that mean except...well...that a whole s**tload of people are making fun of you on the Internet. Not one scrap of proof about conspiracy, government involvement, media support, or "lion tamers and jazz dancers" (thanks for that one, whoever wrote it!), mainly because the "plot" is a huge figment of your own sick imagination: how long are you going to keep making an obscene spectacle of your lack of thinking and analytical skills Ray? JOSEPHINE COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT CLINICAL SERVICES Crisis Services - Emergency Phone Number 541-474-5365. Crisis Services are provided 24 hours a day to anyone experiencing a Mental Health Emergency.

Josephine County Mental Health Program Robert C. Beckett, Administrator 714 NW A Street Grants Pass, OR 97526 Phone: (541) 474-5365 Fax: (541) 474-5366 Website: http://www.jcmhd.com

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Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.

Reply

10/13/2000

Bob Compton (bob_compton@my-deja.com) wrote:

In Article <8s72ss$i2j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Raymond Karczewski (arkent@my-deja.com) wrote:

rk: > Since Sept 13, 2000, I wrote 69 articles to a average of 18 newsgroups and a couple of forums (1242 articles). These articles displayed the question:

bc: Lessee, that's approximately 40 a day. And you claim you're not a spammer?

rk: Just a brief comment before the readers launch into an example of just what obfuscation spin doctors are capable of when misdirecting public attention away from the simplicity of a single issue.

rk: The "rounded" numbers above by my calculation come down to my posting just TWO (2) messages a day. So 2 messages a day sent to 18 groups out of 30,000 newsgroups, as you point out below "(out of more than 30000 on my server)", has caused the likes of you and yours to have launched multiple campaigns throughout the past five years to shut me down/censor me via complaints to my ISP of "SPAMMING?"

rk: TSK! TSK! TSK! Shame on you!

rk: The real question is why my articles have threatened so many for so long that such a tireless, unrelenting, anonymous disinformation campaign has been launched to silence me (it's all there in black and white in the DejaNews archives). It's really quite simple, isn't it? A man of Truth is awake while a NATION sleeps.

rk: It somewhat deflates all of your hard work and time you put in in assembling and dissembling, doesn't it? But then again, it's all in a day's work for a disinformation agent, is it not?

rk: After all, in your dissembling below you worked sooo hard to move public attention away from the fact that in this entire country of ours (260 million) NOT ONE single, solitary person aside from myself has "reportedly" asked this question which is basic to our human rights and deprived us by a uncaring, secretive, STONE WALLING Government.

rk: Yes, you heard it right--NOT ONE!! And you are trying to say that MIND CONTROL is not an issue here???

rk: The fact that damn near everyone who has been conditioned to politically/religiously-correct thinking is slumbering their lives away, and there are people like you hired to keep them in that incremental, reinforced, conditioned sleep (ask yourself, what else is Media's purpose?) is a shocking revelation even to the deepest of somnambulists.

rk: Say "bob," being that you are an AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYOT Disinformation Agent who posts under a multitude of names, why don't you balance out your treatise on spamming and list specifically the rest of the names you have used and still use when you post to the multiple groups you've been assigned in this "free speech" environment of Internet USENET/Forums?

rk: When the masks are stripped away and you are sitting there on the witness stand, you'll have to do it anyway, won't you?

rk: See you in Federal Court, "BOB!"

" IS THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT/MEDIA CONDUCTING ILLEGAL MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS ON ITS INTERNET USING CITIZENS? "

> > " Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail. "

rk: > Keep in mind, there are an estimated 260 million people who populate this Nation of ours.

bc: Before you get too carried away with your self-important kook-rant, let's see whether or not that number means anything at all. How many of those people actually have access to the net in some form? Probably, oh, 40%? Let's make it 50. Of that 130M, how many have access to usenet in some way? Probably nearly all, in all but practical terms. Say 80%. Of that 104M, how many actually look at usenet? Probably a small percentage, say (being generous) 5%. Of that 5.2M, how many have actually even heard of one of the 18 newsgroups (out of more than 30000 on my server) that you posted to? A very small percentage, say 1% (again, being generous). Out of those 52,000 people, how many actually read and follow one of the newsgroups you post to? Again, let's be extremely generous, and say that you posted to the 18 most popular newsgroups, and therefore we'll use 10%. Of those 5200 people, how likely are you to find someone who agrees with you that you are persecuted by the government?

bc: Not bloody likely.

bc: But you post that '260 million' number like it means something. It's a badge of honour to you, is it not?

rk: > The question is simple and self-explanatory. It follows years of my so far fruitless attempts to break my Federal Government Official's silence regarding the outcome of an FBI Complaint I filed with the Medford Office of the FBI on Nov. 2nd, 1997.

bc: The question is simple, as is the answer. Unfortunately for you and your delusions, the answer is 'no'.

rk: > The investigation goes to the very heart of our US Constitution, our freedoms, and a relationship of a people with its government. My attempts to hold my government officials accountable in a long drawn out one-man campaign has only demonstrated that those government officials I have contacted demonstrate they no no longer serve under the restraints placed upon them by our US Constitution.

bc: As they say, 'even a broken clock is right twice a day'. It has indeed been long and drawn out.

rk: > It is for that reason that I took the issue to the American Public. It called for just one OTHER person (other than myself) to ask a simple question in public, requiring a simple public response which would then be reported to the general populace by our MEDIA to the question presently STONE WALLED for years by our Federal Officials. The question deals with the issue of Government/Media sponsored/supported Mind Control/Disinformation experiments being conducted on "unwary" users of the Internet.

rk: > Keep in mind if you will, the number 260 MILLION.

bc: I realize that you'll cling to that number like a toddler to a blankie, but it's meaningless in the context within which you present it so triumphantly. Even being generous (really generous) about 5200 people have heard of you.

bc: And most of them think you're a raving lunatic.

rk: > That is the approximate number of people living in our country. Does anybody but me find it curious that as yet, NO ONE HAS ASKED the question of the Presidential Candidates despite numerous campaign stops and several debates?

bc: No. Not curious in the least. I could do a bunch more estimating wrt how many of the 5200 would be likely to be at some form of event at which they were allowed to ask questions, but I'll leave that up to someone else.

rk: >If the question was indeed asked, why hasn't the media reported it?

bc: Absence of evidence is evidence of conspiracy, right?

rk: > Is that control of Information?

rk: > Is that control of Minds?

rk: > Have the American people lost control over their government?

bc: Probably, but that doesn't mean a thing. (See 'broken clock' above)

rk: > Is the election process a sham?

rk: > Are we being betrayed by the Media whom we have trusted for our daily view of the world?

bc: No. You get what you pay for. It doesn't cost me a cent to read your hysterical shreiking, and it's worth every penny.

rk: > Answer the questions for yourself, for each of you are responsible for your own life, your own future and the future of your family.

rk: > What follows is necessarily lengthy. It is for the serious reader concerned with the freedoms guaranteed us by our Constitution.

rk: > Read it quietly. There you will get a grasp of the "bigger picture" your Federal Officials do not want you to SEE.

bc: I read it quietly. The only bigger picture I got was of you, beard tucked into your belt, typing away wild-eyed, cutting and pasting like mad. A self-styled Christ with a keyboard.

rk: > I have sought to combine the contents of 3 posts written over the last 2 1/2 days.

rk: > Read it and see for yourself the danger of living in a country of 260 million of muted individuals whose only purpose to to support an uncaring government which displays disdain for those who support it.

bc: Hmmm. Only purpose, eh? Let's see, we have: - Dr. Laura, whose only purpose seems to be to reinforce the prejudices and stupidities of the simpleminded. - Vanilla Gorilla, whose only purpose seems to be tweaking your overinflated ego. Oh, yeah, and amusing me with SuperTroll posts. So he's kinda dual purpose. - Bruce Daniel Kettler, whose only purpose is making usenet kook- friendly. But he'd make a good bookend if you could convince him to sit still for long periods of time, so I guess he's dual purpose too. - Garth Brooks, whose only purpose is to put forth incredibly banal and whiney 'music' with which I am tormented in shopping malls. - Madonna. Don't get me started on Madonna. - Michael Campbell, a local talk radio host whose only purpose is agreeing with everything a caller says. Oh, wait, he's not American, so I can't count him. (Is that a 'contradiction in essence?') But you should call him, Ray. He wouldn't cut you off. - N' Sync. See Garth Brooks.

bc: Let's see, we're already down to 259,999,991. And I'll bet that with a little work I could knock that number down a whole lot more. I haven't addressed the gym bunnies where I work out, whose only purpose seems to be to try to get as many men as possible to look at their asses while they're on the StairMaster. Or the barbeque guy whose only purpose is to make such asskicking, hairtearing, ballbusting good ribs that I end up eating way too much (I know you're with me on this one, Ray) and having to go to the gym in the first place.

bob

rk: Having waded through that piece of obfuscation, folks, here is the real question you ought to be asking your elected leaders and Presidential candidates:

Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.

Reply

rk: In the last two days, I invited readers to visit my website and to listen to my Streaming audio messages "Christs with Amnesia" at :

http://www.arkenterprises.com/cwapref.html

http://www.arkenterprises.com/cwasum.html

rk: For those of you who have not yet availed yourself of the opportunity, I encourage you to do so.

rk: Perhaps you may discern the "threat" my messages present to the "Status Quo" that it should warrant such vitriolic, defaming responses below by anonymous disinformation agents.

rk: This unrelenting, incremental "smear" campaign has been going on almost daily for five years with no let up.

rk: It is the essence of the criminal complaint of "conspiracy to libel" now in the hands of the FBI.

rk: It is the essence of the larger issue of government/media sponsored/supported mind control experimentation upon unwary users of these Internet newsgroups/forums through the use of subrosa provocateurs.

rk: It is the essence which threatens our Constitutionally guaranteed rights to responsible Free Speech on and off the Internet by a government which has clearly demonstrated that it has turned its back on it citizens.

rk: In this issue, the government has demonstrated its use of the Hegelian dialectic of "thesis - antithesis - synthesis, a ploy which will surely result in the further "stripping away" of the existing "Rights" of its citizens.

rk: The FBI's continued indifference to this issue over the last several years has created a volatile, chaotic political scenario on these Internet Newsgroups/Forums. It is one which will be stemmed not by the FBI which does its job with the "existing" legislation in hand, but through the creation of a "fictitious need" which can only be satisfied (exploited) with the passage of further Draconian legislation and/or suspension/dissolution of our US Constitution via Martial Law.

rk: At such time, the Constitutional Bonds which now hold us together as a Sovereign Nation may be dissolved and this country thus assimilated into a "New World Order." Its all being done RIGHT NOW "in your face" and "right under your noses." Yet, who amongst you are sensitive enough to perceive it?

rk: So much for awareness of the American People, eh? And you "think" your minds are not being controlled?

rk: Go ahead folks. Listen to the sound files on my website. ALL OF THEM, for they may shake you to your very "mind-controlled" foundation. Then pay attention to the words of those cowardly anonymous disinformation agents below. It will give you a little insight into the nature of how your mind has been controlled and your opinions formed by such repetitious, incremental, suggestive, anonymous postings on these Internet Newsgroups/Forums.

rk: So tell me, Americans, how does it feel to live in the "Alice in Wonderland" world of BASSACKWARDS?

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Dripping, oozing disease

Re: Christs with Amnesia: Preface (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:20:28 GMT From: (nknown)

rk: "This is a Book of Letters.

All jumbled up into an incoherent salad. Read it if you like Word Poisoning.

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Ray's Usenet Fan

Re: Christs with Amnesia: Preface (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:22:15 GMT

From: Cujo (unknown)

You are a f**king nutcase!

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Fair Warning about Ray's Website

Re: Christs with Amnesia: Preface (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:56:54 GMT

From: Be Careful (unknown)

Fair warning about Ray's website. Ray monitors all visitors to his site, and has turned over addresses and ISPs to various government agencies since he's convinced everyone is in on the "AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT government/media organized/funded/supported conspiracy" against him. He has already done this to several Usenet patrons, turning over their information to the FBI, CIA, various Congressmen, etc., and demanding the people who visited his site be investigated. No government agency has or will take Ray seriously, for obvious reasons, but anyone logging on to Ray's site should realize he will in fact monitor them and release their names to various agencies when the mood strikes him as part of his extreme mental disorder. Given how unstable he is and that fact he's getting worse every day, watch out if you give him any information about your e-mail address.

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It's all my doing!

Re: Christs with Amnesia: Preface (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:19:53 GMT

From: Bert(AKA CEO skepticultist roybot) (bert@nospamaccepted.com)

Ray, I have to admit to being the skepticultist roybot disinformation agent in the wood pile. I have secretly been conducting mind control experiments, but only on you, and oh boy, did they ever work! You're so paranoid now that you see black helicopters in your dreams, and in the shadows you know that the Men in Black are lurking, waiting to whisk you away to their secret base in the desert. But, all good things must come to an end sometime. This experiment is now concluded, you may now resume your normal life, without fear of the midnight knock at the door.

P.S.:The microphone transmitter is in your keyboard.

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What Ray doesn't understand

Re: Death of A Nation, Birth of Enslavement! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:00:30 GMT

From: Federal Burro of Investigation (unknown)

Louis Freeh is only a figurehead: Juan Valdez's donkey is the real power behind the Federal Burro of Investigation. He should have known all along, but never thought the New World Order would begin its takeover via a Columbian ass. HEE HAW, HEE HAW!

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Raymond Karczewski: keep your Usenet disease off Oregonlive

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:12:53 GMT

From: We're hip deep in the s**t (unknown)

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Advertising Tips For Raymond Karczewski

Re: You sound like a nutball to me... (George in the Gorge)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:19:11 GMT

From: Wrong way to go about it (unknown)

Here are a few suggestions that might help you finally unload this stuff you're trying to sell for so long:

1) Don't post to open forums where the public can react directly to your ad, unless you're sure that reaction will be positive, and will help your advertising efforts: if you're obviously not taken seriously in that forum, and words like "manure," "crap," "kook," and "drooling on a street corner" appear directly after your ad, you'll never get rid of the stuff.

2) Get rid of that absurdly paranoid signature line at the end of your ad: it paints you as a sick man, one no one in their right mind would ever patronize as a client.

3) Self-promotion is never effective, unless you're a respected figure with some authority in a certain field: have your publisher do your advertising for you, so people understand someone took the time, money, and energy to produce your work to begin with.

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No one will even review the crap, much less publish it

Re: Advertising Tips For Raymond Karczewski (Wrong way to go about it)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:11:27 GMT

From: All part of the AFAB conspiracy, right R (unknown)

And how does Ray explain this fact? He complains, QUITE PUBLICLY, that all publishers are simply part of the AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT government/media sponsored/organized/promoted plot against him. He therefore begs for money on the Internet so he can continue to pay some printer to copy his crap, and tries to hawk it for, what, 7-8 years now Ray?, on the same Internet forums in which he's made himself such a sick joke. Go figure!

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Sorry everyone has blown you off as a kook

Re: Nobody cared the furst 5,000 times you posted this crap Ray (You're a loser: live with it)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:17:03 GMT

From: Karczewski Parasites out of Oregon! (unknown)

The FBI, CIA, Ron Wyden, Gorden Smith, The White House, Matt Drudge, EVRYONE WITH WHOM YOU HAVE DAILY CONTACT, and all the countless others from scores of other forums you spam every day constantly: and you STILL somehow think it's a possibility someone is going to take you for an "Intrepid spiritual guide" (your own words, or maybe Anita's, of course), or anyone at all worthy of respect and attention? You're NEVER going to sell that crap you're trying to peddle: you haven't been able to unload it for years now, and THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S UTTERLY WORTHLESS, LIKE YOU AND YOUR WIFE. Get a job, or go back to gambling for a "living", stop living like a parasite off our tax money, and above all get out of Oregon you creeps!!!

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Apocalypse now!

Re: What Ray doesn't understand (Federal Burro of Investigation)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:04:55 GMT

From: Counter-Intelligence A**hole (unknown)

Yeah, but what that damned donkey doesn't understand is that Ray is head of the CIA (Counter-Intelligence A**hole), and won't hesitate to pit his agency's resources against any burro, federal or not, in his battle for TRVTH. People, this is history in the making: how subsequent generations will judge us depends on whether we rise up and shake off the travel agent/jazz dancer/lion tamer plot against our Constitutional rights. Let man not fall for a new burro order! Let man rise up to a new burro consciousness!

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Ray at work Re: Spin Doctor at Work: (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:26:17 GMT

From: Totally Fu*king Boring (unknown)

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Christ Ray: shut up about the censorship already

Re: Total count of Ray's Spam on Usenet: 110,000 posts (Yes, YOU READ RIGHT: 110,000 POSTS!!!)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:50:31 GMT

From: Obscene display of narcissism (unknown)

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Knock it off Ray, you pervert

Re: You call this "work?" (More like masturbation)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:12:36 GMT

From: Let's get Sane! (unknown>)

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Question for Ray

Re: The only mind being controlled is yours Ray (Free Yourself from Dementia)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:41:01 GMT

From: Introspection Ray: Look into it (unknown)

If you so furiously reject all suggestions of mental illness, **how exactly do you account for your desperate need for constant attention,** including even ridicule and disdain? You're an old man now, and you should have grown out of this childish need to people to look at you all the time: **do you ever think about how you act and why you act that way?** Or are you completely lacking in introspection? That too is a dead-on sign of mental illness. Call Mr. Beckett Ray: you don't have to limit your existence to being the butt of society's jokes

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What this proves is... Re: Spin Doctor at Work: (Raymond Karczewski) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:35:54 GMT From: Anger, paranoia, obsession & compulsion (unknown) rk: The investigation goes to the very heart of our US Constitution, our freedoms, and a relationship of a people with its government. My attempts to hold my government officials accountable in a long drawn out one-man campaign has only demonstrated that those government officials I have contacted demonstrate they no no longer serve under the restraints placed upon them by our US Constitution.

No Ray. What this proves is that you're paranoid, obsessive-compulsive, angry, alienated, and unable to even remotely control your emotions or physiology. Sorry to see you jerked around like a ragdoll, but given how you abuse people you deserve it.

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I can't imagine being hated so much

Re: What this proves is... (Anger, paranoia, obsession & compulsion)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:11:06 GMT

From: Why put yourselves through it? (unknown)

What's this guy's trip that he lives off people dumping s**t on him every damned day? I've never even come close to being so disrespected and parodied, but if I were, I'd first look hard at my own actions, and if they were blameless, I'd just remove myself from the unwarranted abuse. Ray, obviously people in Oregon, California, and Nevada have successively asked you to leave in the strongest possible terms: why not try Washington, or Idaho, or another state where people don't know you and start over again? How does it feel going out your door and knowing how much people hold your arrogance and illness in contempt? If you can get them both under control maybe you'll find a community willing to accept you and your wife, maybe even find some friends, and you both could be happy for a change. Why live like self-appointed punching bags for a society that hates you both?

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Total count of Ray's Spam on Usenet: 110,000 posts

Re: Check the Usenet Archives: they're choking on spam (10,000 plus posts in less than 2 years!)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:23:16 GMT

From: Yes, YOU READ RIGHT: 110,000 POSTS!!! (unknown)

So 110,000 posts archived over the past three years on Usenet alone Ray: and you claim you're not a spammer? How the hell can you keep a straight face when claiming the damned government is trying to censor you? I wish to hell they would: what a f**king abuse of people's patience with a paranoid a**hole's "freedom of speech!"

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Forget the spin doctors

Re: Spin Doctor at Work: (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:45:38 GMT

From: Come see real doctors Ray (unknown)

JOSEPHINE COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT CLINICAL SERVICES Crisis Services - Emergency Phone Number 541-474-5365. Crisis Services are provided 24 hours a day to anyone experiencing a Mental Health Emergency.

Josephine County Mental Health Program Robert C. Beckett, Administrator 714 NW A Street Grants Pass, OR 97526 Phone: (541) 474-5365 Fax: (541) 474-5366 Website: http://www.jcmhd.com

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No: Anita couldn't care less about Ray

Re: HASN'T ANYONE COMMITTED THIS GUY YET? (Psychopaths out of Oregon!)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:01:27 GMT

From: Vicious Wife of a Vicious Man (unknown)

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Who is this chick that she's letting this go on forever?

Re: No: Anita couldn't care less about Ray (Vicious Wife of a Vicious Man)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:09:26 GMT

From: What's her sick story? (unknown)

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The Feds can't force anyone to respect you Ray

Re: Spin Doctor at Work: (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:57:04 GMT

From: Still acting out like a kindergarten kid (unknown)

It's simply impossible. You've gone so damned far down the road of abuse, paranoid vicious aggression, and just plain infantile behavior that no one in their right mind could possibly have any esteem for you personally, or take what you say at all seriously. Give it up Ray, or else try IN DIFFERENT TERMS AND IN A DIFFERENT FORUM to persuade people to your way of thinking. Reread the threads of yesterday to appreciate the kind of retarded show you've made of yourself and GROW UP ALREADY: you're in your mid-60s and you're still acting out like a kindergarten child??????????

THE SOLUTION

Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.

Reply

I recognize that my posts threaten the very existence of Mind Controlling elitists well-ensconced and habituated in their manipulation of the American Psyche through control, dissemination, and reinforcement of news/information.

Our election system here in the United States is a fraud, a joke. The sadness of it all is that no one seems to be laughing.

Didn't Josef Stalin once say "in essence:" The voters aren't important to the election results. It's the "vote counters" who determine the result.

Isn't it time we had a different system for electing and/or supporting National, local leaders, and issues important to our Freedom?

Isn't it time we took the matter out of the hands of and strip away the power of the PR/advertising mind controllers whose only purpose is to cleverly push your psychological "buttons"; buttons subtlely and incrementally implanted over an extended period of time by a "mind controlling" media?

Pay attention to the campaign rhetoric used by ALL candidates who run for public office. Does it fall into a familiar, recognizeable momentum? Do the mind controlling candidates, like the mind controlling preachers, have the same patter, the same cadence to their voices? Have you heard it all before? Does it all have a familiar ring to it? Certainly such political campaigns are run on psychologically based rhetoric. However, the question remains for each voter to decide -- is it substantive or empty rhetoric that is motivating your vote? Who amongst you is aware enough, able to discern at such times the not-so-subtle differences in vibrations?

Campaign rhetoric operates at two levels of consciousness -- the conditioned "letter of the word" (tell em what they want to hear) and the subconscious, from whence all action arises. Is not campaign rhetoric designed to key you into actions predetermined by the mind controllers via previously implanted, unrecognized "Post hypnotic suggestions?" Have not these familiar, positive imaged suggestions been inserted through prior "politically/religiously" correct-thinking campaigns?

Here is a simple experiment anyone can do at home. Pick up and READ the Voters Manual. After doing so, ask yourself whether it brings confusion or clarity to your present state of conditioned consciousness. In that present state of mind, you are being asked to cast your vote and relinquish control of your life to its outcome. What's wrong with that picture?

Pay attention to the momentum of the privately owned broadcast and print "media" which bombard you with a neverending stream of suggestions to fill up space, to fill up the time of your day, never allowing you a moment of silence in which Insight may emerge within a noisy consciousness. That's the nature of CONDITIONING. Rather pervasive, isn't it?

Now that Mankind has stepped into a New Millenium, isn't it time that we meet it with a New Consciousness -- A consciousness based in TRUTH, not illusion?

Each of you have it within your power to bring the OLD CONSCIOUSNESS to an end and to begin LIFE ANEW in this New Millenium -- to create a New World for yourselves and your children.

Some 2000 years ago, a simple Man, a Man of Truth said that one must "die to be reborn of the Spirit" (the illusions of Intellect must end for TRUTH to BE SEEN!). End the momentum of dualistic, thought-bound, intellectual "Hell on Earth." It is SILENCE which brings an end to political, cultural, and religious conditioning.

Give these Mind Controllers a message which will be heard around the world. Give these Mind Controllers a message never before heard since man became Civilized. Give these MIND CONTROLLERS the message of SILENCE.

STAY HOME -- DON'T VOTE!

Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.

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Chris wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

c: So what you are advocating here is just letting the problem get worse?

rk: On the contrary, no one has power over you unless you give it to them. Your participation in the present corrupt system operating in the United States is the relinquishment of personal power to those who possess the secret of mind control, enabling them to rule the spiritually "blind and the dead" through tactics of confusion and intimidation.

rk: The history books are rife with carefully worded self-serving expositions of those in power who hire scholars to write and rewrite history. One may well ask, what is the nature of that history? Who benefits most from such questionable "historical evidence?" The people in power, or the people who are powerless?

rk: These are simple questions, are they not? Yet ignoramuses who are either too dumbed down or too fearful to regain control over their personal lives go on capitulating and supporting with their taxes a government that doesn't care a whit about them. This can be evidenced in my own personal life regarding the Criminal Complaint I filed with the Medford Office of the FBI on November 2nd, 1997. You may also read about that in the Deja News Archives and on my website bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

rk: The fact is that goverment's only purpose is to grow, employ as many people as they can to assure their own power base, and survive themselves. Who is unable to SEE that? Mind Controlled IGNORAMUSES, THAT'S WHO!!

rk: That is of course -- until such abuse of power reaches a stage where the enslaved actually SEE their ENSLAVEMENT and rebel. It is then they reach a point where they are ready to kill and be killed in a final act of glorified illusion, an illusion conditioned into them long before by their leaders, political and religious. Such is the nature of REVOLUTION. It is merely POPULATION CONTROL, no more, no less.

rk: It explodes on the scene when men, in their prideful confusion, would rather die in violence than live in peace. These are the Lessons of History civilized man has never learned, aren't they?

rk: It through division, confusion, and intimidation that free men are molded into slaves, is it not? These basic approaches to ruling mass numbers of people by the elitist few, depict the very nature of government in an actual sense, not a theoretical one, do they not?

rk: What I am saying (and you clearly are misperceiving) is that it is time that millions of hypnotically controlled American "sleepyheads" wake up and SEE how their minds have been conditioned to respond to life's problems in a typical confused, fearful, codependent, reactionary mode.

rk: Your own comments in response to my original post below reveal that confusion rather strikingly, do they not?

c: Well I got news for you. You keep that apathetic view.

rk: Apathetic view? Can you SEE what I mean about IGNORANCE? It is quite apparent that you have not read my writings. May I suggest you do so before you embarrass yourself any further with such half-cocked statements. You may read my writings at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

c: and see how quickly YOU have a "Ruby Ridge" on YOUR hands! You don't seem to understand when they keep the power they think that NO abuse of power is unjustified. With the lying media and the indifference of the aclu you will become a martyr for ignorance!

rk: I suggest you and millions of other across this land of ours BOYCOTT the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Do that, and you will have first hand evidence of who in this land of ours TRULY holds the power over their lives in their hands.

c: You will not be truly free with a socialist in office!

rk: Chris, you and I are not even in the same ballpark. See the BIG PICTURE, and the quibbling over minutia falls away like the fluff that it is. Such fluff is what makes for dumbed-down ignoramuses. You may not be one, but you certainly play one on the Internet, don't you?

c: GW ain't much better but at least he wants to empower you and I to provide for our own futures rather than trusting a corrupt government to provide for us and turn us into subjects when we are old!

rk: Got seduced by campaign rhetoric, didn't ya? Don't feel bad about it, millions of others are equally as ignorant in "believing" politicians who tell them "what they want to hear."

c: bob you are stupid and you suck. That was preemptive. Since you are to stupid to know when to shut your anus!

rk: Well, chris, my name is Ray. I wrote the orginal article (below). You are the only one who has responded to it on this forum. So fess up. Who is Bob?

rk: See what I mean about confusion?

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PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Stay Home--Don't Vote!!

I recognize that my posts threaten the very existence of Mind Controlling elitists well-ensconced and habituated in their manipulation of the American Psyche through control, dissemination, and reinforcement of news/information.

Our election system here in the United States is a fraud, a joke. The sadness of it all is that no one seems to be laughing.

Didn't Josef Stalin once say "in essence:" The voters aren't important to the election results. It's the "vote counters" who determine the result.

Isn't it time we had a different system for electing and/or supporting National, local leaders, and issues important to our Freedom?

Isn't it time we took the matter out of the hands of and strip away the power of the PR/advertising mind controllers whose only purpose is to cleverly push your psychological "buttons"; buttons subtlely and incrementally implanted over an extended period of time by a "mind controlling" media?

Pay attention to the campaign rhetoric used by ALL candidates who run for public office. Does it fall into a familiar, recognizeable momentum? Do the mind controlling candidates, like the mind controlling preachers, have the same patter, the same cadence to their voices? Have you heard it all before? Does it all have a familiar ring to it? Certainly such political campaigns are run on psychologically based rhetoric. However, the question remains for each voter to decide -- is it substantive or empty rhetoric that is motivating your vote? Who amongst you is aware enough, able to discern at such times the not-so-subtle differences in vibrations?

Campaign rhetoric operates at two levels of consciousness -- the conditioned "letter of the word" (tell em what they want to hear) and the subconscious, from whence all action arises. Is not campaign rhetoric designed to key you into actions predetermined by the mind controllers via previously implanted, unrecognized "Post hypnotic suggestions?" Have not these familiar, positive imaged suggestions been inserted through prior "politically/religiously" correct-thinking campaigns?

Here is a simple experiment anyone can do at home. Pick up and READ the Voters Manual. After doing so, ask yourself whether it brings confusion or clarity to your present state of conditioned consciousness. In that present state of mind, you are being asked to cast your vote and relinquish control of your life to its outcome. What's wrong with that picture?

Pay attention to the momentum of the privately owned broadcast and print "media" which bombards you with a neverending stream of suggestions to fill up space, to fill up the time of your day, never allowing you a moment of silence in which Insight may emerge within a n noisy consciousness. That's the nature of CONDITIONING. Rather pervasive, isn't it?

Now that Mankind has stepped into a New Millenium, isn't it time that we meet it with a New Consciousness -- A consciousness based in TRUTH, not illusion?

Each of you have it within your power to bring the OLD CONSCIOUSNESS to an end and to begin LIFE ANEW in this New Millenium -- to create a New World for yourselves and your children.

Some 2000 years ago, a simple Man, a Man of Truth said that one must "die to be reborn of the Spirit" (the illusions of Intellect must end for TRUTH to BE SEEN!). End the momentum of dualistic, thought-bound, intellectual "Hell on Earth." It is SILENCE which brings an end to political, cultural, and religious conditioning.

Give these Mind Controllers a message which will be heard around the world. Give these Mind Controllers a message never before heard since man became Civilized. Give these MIND CONTROLLERS the message of SILENCE. STAY HOME -- DON'T VOTE!

Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.

Reply

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Chris wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

c: >>> So what you are advocating here is just letting the problem get worse?

rk: >> On the contrary, no one has power over you unless you give it to them. Your participation in the present corrupt system operating in the United States is the relinquishment of personal power to those who possess the secret of mind control, enabling them to rule the spiritually "blind and the dead" through tactics of confusion and intimidation.

rk:>> The history books are rife with carefully worded self-serving expositions of those in power who hire scholars to write and rewrite history. One may well ask, what is the nature of that history? Who benefits most from such questionable "historical evidence?" The people in power, or the people who are powerless?

rk: >> These are simple questions, are they not? Yet ignoramuses who are either too dumbed down or too fearful to regain control over their personal lives go on capitulating and supporting with their taxes a government that doesn't care a whit about them. This can be evidenced in my own personal life regarding the Criminal Complaint I filed with the Medford Office of the FBI on November 2nd, 1997. You may also read about that in the Deja News Archives and on my website bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

rk:>> The fact is that goverment's only purpose is to grow, employ as many people as they can to assure their own power base, and survive themselves. Who is unable to SEE that? Mind Controlled IGNORAMUSES, THAT'S WHO!!

rk: >> That is of course -- until such abuse of power reaches a stage where the enslaved actually SEE their ENSLAVEMENT and rebel. It is then they reach a point where they are ready to kill and be killed in a final act of glorified illusion, an illusion conditioned into them long before by their leaders, political and religious. Such is the nature of REVOLUTION. It is merely POPULATION CONTROL, no more, no less.

rk: >> It explodes on the scene when men, in their prideful confusion, would rather die in violence than live in peace. These are the Lessons of History civilized man has never learned, aren't they?

rk: >> It through division, confusion, and intimidation that free men are molded into slaves, is it not? These basic approaches to ruling mass numbers of people by the elitist few, depict the very nature of government in an actual sense, not a theoretical one, do they not?

rk: >> What I am saying (and you clearly are misperceiving) is that it is time that millions of hypnotically controlled American "sleepyheads" wake up and SEE how their minds have been conditioned to respond to life's problems in a typical confused, fearful, codependent, reactionary mode.

rk: >> Your own comments in response to my original post below reveal that confusion rather strikingly, do they not?

c: >> > Well I got news for you. You keep that apathetic view.

rk: >> Apathetic view? Can you SEE what I mean about IGNORANCE? It is quite apparent that you have not read my writings. May I suggest you do so before you embarrass yourself any further with such half-cocked statements. You may read my writings at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

c: >>> and see how quickly YOU have a "Ruby Ridge" on YOUR hands! You don't seem to understand when they keep the power they think that NO abuse of power is unjustified. With the lying media and the indifference of the aclu you will become a martyr for ignorance!

rk: >> I suggest you and millions of other across this land of ours BOYCOTT the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Do that, and you will have first hand evidence of who in this land of ours TRULY holds the power over their lives in their hands.

c: >>> You will not be truly free with a socialist in office!

rk: >> Chris, you and I are not even in the same ballpark. See the BIG PICTURE, and the quibbling over minutia falls away like the fluff that it is. Such fluff is what makes for dumbed-down ignoramuses. You may not be one, but you certainly play one on the Internet, don't you?

c: >>> GW ain't much better but at least he wants to empower you and I to provide for our own futures rather than trusting a corrupt government to provide for us and turn us into subjects when we are old!

rk: >> Got seduced by campaign rhetoric, didn't ya? Don't feel bad about it, millions of others are equally as ignorant in "believing" politicians who tell them "what they want to hear."

c: >>> bob you are stupid and you suck. That was preemptive. Since you are to stupid to know when to shut your anus!

rk: >> Well, chris, my name is Ray. I wrote the orginal article (below). You are the only one who has responded to it on this forum. So fess up. Who is Bob?

rk: >> See what I mean about confusion?

c: > Okay, I read the post and I don't have a hard time believing it.

rk: Believing has always been the "lazy man's truth." Belief is the very foundation of mind control, yet millions remain unaware of it. They have lost the ability to SEE the self-evident TRUTH of their lives. That is the subject of my writing. That is the wake-up call I bring to my sleeping Brothers and Sisters. Politics per se is but the superficial activity of the Satanically ruled Hell (Intellectually opposed) bound.

c: > Parts are border on paranoia and yet other parts are sounding like the script from "The Matrix".

rk: The question for most who find themselves under the yoke of mind controlled slavery remains -- is life itself perceived by the intellect as just another fiction, not unlike that which holds the attention of those addicted to mind controlling cinema?

c: > My point is if we sit on our hands and do nothing the day we got off our hands the United States may have become the United Socialist States and our "rights" will no longer be ours but will be the elite of the ruling classes rights.

rk: Only in a "BASSACKWARD" world could such a monumental undertaking of a nationwide BOYCOTTING of a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION be considered to be "sitting on" our hands and doing nothing.

rk: Mind controlled automatons are primed to respond via the formatting of their Intellects at such times. Read the voter's manual if you "think" not. Millions of good "do be's" exhibit their conditioning much like pavlov's dog. Election time is here, the bell has been rung. The media is awash with propaganda designed only to confuse and divide. All are salivating, awaiting the moment when they may do their "empty" duty, when they may receive their reinforced stroke from those who control them through their minds, then be allowed to settle back into their habitual life of enslavement. Hell, isn't it?

c: We will, by sitting around, hamstring ourselves.

rk; Do not confuse traditional "known" responses with heretofore "unknown" action. The former leads to death, the latter to LIFE itself.

c: You sound like a smart articulate man and you bring many good points, but I can't sit and hope they hear my message of freedom and independence.

rk: Chris, no offense, but at the present you wouldn't understand the Spirit of "freedom and independence" if it bit you. You, like millions of other conditioned voters, worship the empty vessel of political rhetoric.

c: > I want my children and grandchildren to be free.

rk: Well then, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO ACT, and not by merely spouting empty words and then doing the duty imposed upon you by those who make the rules.

rk: Has it not been said that "those who hold the gold make the rules, and those who make the rules win the game"? Understand what I am saying and you will find that the power "of gold and of rules" cannot stand up to a single man/woman of Truth, let alone a Nation of them.

c: As for bob, he is a liberal idiot who would rather complain about proper english and insult people than debate the facts.

rk: Regard the source and you shall be liberated from its tyranny. Those who lack the capacity to express themselves with any degree of depth are merely superficial nitpickers possessed of "jot and tittle" intellects who must compensate for their ignorance via such trite misdirections. It's called "face saving."

rk: Check the newsgroups, check the DejaNews Archives. Look at the responses to my articles. See if you can find any responses which deal directly with the content of my articles. Truth is inarguable. As such, LEGIONS of ignoramuses have nothing left for them to do but to attack the messenger of Truth.

rk: Such nonsense can only pass for intelligence and cleverness in a BASSACKWARD world. The simple Truth is always there in plain sight but hidden to the unaware, complexity-ridden, blind intellect. I am here to raise the Intellectual dead and return sight to the Spiritually blind. Is it any wonder that I RAISE HELL?

c: > He is hopeless but I can't let him spew unabated on this web page. He is prone to cussing too! I find this very offensive in a public forum such as this. There are children who come to this site and the cussing doesn't need to be if you are intelligent enough to articulate without it.

rk: Children are but "little people." They too must learn.

c: > I didn't mean to offend.

rk: None taken. I only sought to mirror that which you may have been "unaware of."

Remove the 1 1/2 year-long White House, Congressional, and FBI STONE WALL of Silence erected over this issue of utmost importance. Before you vote, make sure you get a specific answer to it from ALL of the Presidential Candidates on the Campaign Trail.

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