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The Confession of a Christ (Was: Re: Internet Mind Control and You!! )

Friday, 31-Mar-2000 00:07:32

208.26.131.212 writes:

rk: I CONFESS -- to anger. Anger about what? Anger about millions of mind controlled ignoramuses who, victimized by MIND CONTROL, are allowing their Constitution-based Government to slip away right under their noses and be swallowed up by a CASHLESS, BIG BROTHER, elitist-run NEW WORLD ORDER.

rk: I am angry at my psychologically "dumbed down" spiritual brothers and sisters who would rather prepare themselves for a bloody revolution, to kill and be killed, rather than simply HOLD THEIR GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR SWORN DUTIES.

rk: I am angry at my ignorant brothers and sisters who could take back their country without a shot being fired, but are TOO DUMBED-DOWN to see it!

rk: I am angry that they choose DEATH over LIFE.

rk: I am angry that they prefer irresponsible carnage to responsible peace.

rk: Yes, folks, it is as simple as that. You are so dumb-down in your "Politically Correct" indoctrination, all the while "thinking" you are so smart, so intelligent, that you follow the path of least resistance. A path already layed for you to follow. A path layed out by those who control your minds.

rk: You, in the smugness of your ignorance, play right into the hands of the Global Elitist's plans for "Population Control." You are ready to sacrifice not only your own lives but those of your chidren. BASSACKWARDS, eh?

rk: It's all done through Mind Control.

rk: You stand before the Mirror of Truth, yet you dare not look into it, afraid of what you may see reflected back at you.

rk: You might catch a fleeting glimpse of yourselves as you actually are, not as you have been conditioned to think you are.

rk: You have sold your souls, your integrity, your freedom, your capacity for a life of peace, of Love. You have reliquished your true estate as divinely guided holistic Children of God.

rk: You have surrendered these things to those who control your minds and pull your strings.

rk: All you know is the Satanically ruled Intellectual Hell you have created for yourselves.

rk: You cannot look into the mirror without seeing your own "Politically Correct" conditioning which has deceived you, molded your intellect, and given you the horrendous world of wars and greed that you now inhabit.

rk: HOW INTELLIGENT IS THAT?

rk: I AM no more nor less guided by the Holistic Spirit (Holy) of Divine Intelligence than was my Spiritual Brother Jesus when He brought the same message to His contemporaries 2000 years ago.

rk: Many wait for the "Second Coming," yet when it reveals itself to them, no one recognizes it. How many times are you going to chose Barabbas (Satanic Driven Intellectual) Consciousness over Christ Consciousness?

rk: HOW INTELLIGENT IS THAT?

Ray Karczewski

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Re: The Confession of a Christ (Was: Re: Internet Mind Control and You!! )

Friday, 31-Mar-2000 11:52:54

208.26.131.9 writes:

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:58:17 GMT

From: Dobbin Wattle

rk: >> I am angry that [so many people] choose DEATH over LIFE.

dw:> How can you tell, Ray? What do you believe to be the characteristics of people who have chosen life?

rk: Those who use the Intellect for technical problem solving and communication with others. In ALL ELSE their beingness resonates as Infinite Intelligence/Truth.

dw:> And, by "life" are you referring to this earthly existence, or to some spiritual term like "life everlasting", which is nothing but an euphemism for death?

rk: Your sentiments expressed above reveal that you do not yet Understand the Truth of "Everlasting Life." As such you wish to Intellectualize your own personal conditioning.

dw:> Is "choosing life" equivalent to "choosing joy, right now, today"? Am I choosing life, in this moment, or death? How can I know? How can you?

rk: All choice is Death based. It is found at the lowest vibratory level of consciousness.

rk: Choice exists only in confusion. It is called for in intellectual problem solving. All choice is of the dead, aftermoment-based, linear, tracking Intellect which storehouses dead reflections of life carried over beyond the living eternal moment of NOW. I used the word "choose" because of the level of dualistic consciousness I was addressing/mirroring. Only in ignorance and confusion does one choose.

rk:>> It's all done through Mind Control.

dw:> Who controls your mind, Ray? Who decides the shape and construction of the gateway to your soul?

rk: Control is of the Intellect. Step beyond the Intellect and tell us what you see. When that occurs, it will be the last time that you will have asked that question, for you will understand the pettiness of knowledge when understanding is and always has been your True Estate as a Child of God.

rk: A linear intellect cannot grasp a multidimensional answer to its linearly-couched question. The multidimensional energy is a timeless, verticle string of infinite intelligence. It penetrates all levels of vibratory consciousness, the lowest being that of the time-bound, flat, horizontal, linear, tracking energy of intellectual analysis. One merely need see how the verticle and horizontal meet in a moment "out of time/in time" to understand the problems involved when the spiritually sighted dialogue with the spiritually sightless. The words are the same, but the spirit/essence of the words is quite different These newsgroups/forums give testimony to that interaction.

rk:>> It is the Satan (opposer) Driven Linear Intellect which is responsible for HELL on Earth.

dw: > Because isn't it true that only thoughts of a certain shape and size can pass into any gateway? And aren't some just 'way too big to be encompassed?

rk: Can you pour the ocean into a thimble?

rk: >>You stand before the Mirror of Truth...[dare you]look into it?

dw:> I have gazed into that mirror until the world went black around me. I have seen what others see, the grotesque and the beautiful. For I have watched my own face change shape, a different guise for each set of eyes that ever beheld me.

rk: All things to all people, eh? But when the moment was over, did it bring you any closer to Truth? As a matter of fact, it seduced you away from Truth, didn't it? It entertained you with endless postive images and feel-good, compensating commiserations. That was what you settled for in lieu of the simple Truth, eh?

dw:> And, in the depths of that mirror, I have seen intelligent eyes floating in space, aware of all that I am.

rk: YES, and that is the ESSENCE of Truth which abides in the ego-driven intellect which labels itself DOBBIN WATTLE for the purpose of communicating on this forum.

rk: You might catch a fleeting glimpse of [yourself] as you actually are...

dw:> So many things, or one thing with so many facets, a tale with no beginning or end, a mote of dust in the Universe. And yet, if I, who am such a wonder, am so close to being nothing, then how stupendous must be the Universe entire. I am in awe.

rk: The awe exists because you are still separated in mind/spirit/body. When you understand the oneness that is all, the awe will drop away and you will understand YOU ARE THE UNIVERSE.

rk:>> You have sold your [soul], your integrity, your freedom, your capacity for a life of peace, of Love. You have reliquished your true estate as divinely guided holistic [Child] of God.

dw: >>These words touch the one who writes them.

rk: They touch all who have the spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear. The spiritually blind and the deaf, they touch not.

dw:> The Buddhists say that the beauty of the lotus blossom is rooted in mud, and I know that the mine which yields up precious gems is a dark and dangerous place.

rk: Both are concepts and touch not the essence they attempt to reflect. That is the limitation of belief which separates all who are bound to serve the "false gods" of the Intellect.

dw:> The candle does not berate the darkness; it merely shines.

rk: They are both manifestations of the WHAT IS which exist peacefully in an orderly multidimensional consciousness. Only in the dualism-based intellect does conflict and disorder arise over conditioned, filtered biases.

dw:> And the flower does not despise the soil through which it feeds.

rk: ditto!

rk: All you know is the Satanically ruled Intellectual Hell you have created for [yourself].

dw:> What road has brought you to this moment? Are you free of suffering? Can you see any farther, from the mountaintop, than you saw, when you walked below?

rk: Those questions are meaningless to one not imprisoned by intellect.

rk:>> [Can you] look into the mirror without seeing [that you are] deceived, [that] your intellect [has been] molded, and [that you inhabit a] horrendous world of wars and greed[?]

dw:> I see that there is so much that I do not know.

rk: Dobbin such statement is indicative of a knowledge seeking intellect. The "so much that you do not know" is like the carrot dangled before a harnessed beast whose only purpose is to carry the burden for its master. Serve Knowledge and you will be exploited and enslaved forever. Hell, isn't it?

rk: The Christ state is the state of Infinite Intelligence capable of permeating all realms of consciousness. Why "CHOOSE" to exist in a filtered "aftermoment based" intellectual realm of the "Living Dead" when the essence of your very being is there, telling you in every moment of quietness that YOU ARE LIFE, YOU ARE TRUTH, YOU ARE THE INFINITE.

dw:> I see that "truths" which I once defended so ardently have proved to be without foundation.

rk: Forgive me, dobbin, but they were never "truths," were they? They were the ideas you mistakenly held as Truth. It was in a moment of understanding wherein you observed the limitedness of such conceptual living, that the ideas you once worshipped fell away as so much dead ashes. In that moment of insight did not the Truth set you free?

dw.> Perhaps some things I think, today, will show themselves, tomorrow, to be phantoms in my mind. But here, in this moment, I am content.

rk: Be Silent, and Understand that Thou are Christ.

dw:> Who is...

dw:> rk: >> Ray Karczewski

dw:> rk: >> Who Is [she]?

dw:> rk: >> Who Is [he]?

dw:> rk: >> Who is the entity behind [this name]?

dw:> rk: >> Who is the entity behind [this alias, this mask]?

dw:> rk: >> [Is s/he a] Disinformation Agent?

dw:> rk: >> [Does the] Government/Media employ [him or her]...?

dw:> rk: >> What is [his or her] real purpose?

dw:> rk: >> What is [his or her] actual Agenda?

dw:> rk: >> What effect does [his or her] activity have...?

dw:> rk: >> [Who is] accountable?

rk: Understand yourself, Dobbin, and all of the questions you ask above shall be answered. Not by the one whose label in this lifetime is Raymond Karczewski, but by the one who goes by the name Dobbin Wattle.

Ray Karczewski

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Re: The Confession of a Christ (Was: Re: Internet Mind Control and You!! )

Friday, 31-Mar-2000 14:26:36

208.26.131.9 writes:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:12:29 -0800,

"Sock Puppet Wizard" wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote;

rk: I see the cowardly anonymous AFAB BULLY who has recently settled on the new name of "sock puppet" is back. You do understand, do you not, "sock puppet," that every word you have to say is diminished by the lack of integrity of one who will not stand by/back them up with with his true name? Why should anyone trust the words of such a shadow dweller? At any rate, "sock puppet," you may now look into the Mirror of Truth.

rk: >> I AM no more nor less guided by the Holistic Spirit (Holy) of Divine Intelligence than was my Spiritual Brother Jesus when He brought the same message to His contemporaries 2000 years ago.

sp: >You are no more or less an example to rational people of just how far a delusional old looney can deteriate in their retired life.

rk: One must look at the war/strife ridden, greed filled, power ruled world supported and served by such "rational people" (not a pretty picture is it?) before BASSACKWARDS finally sinks in as to those who would deserve the label "delusional." Hell, isn't it?

sp: No, you have nothing in common with Jesus. No, you do not know Him and it's unlikely you ever will. Your psychosis is way too deep.

rk: Perhaps you can back up such statements with something a little more substantive than your own biased conditioning, oh anonymous cowardly one?

sp: The pictures of you show an overweight hippie who will soon die of some degenerative malady like heart disease.

rk: I was never a "hippie." How could I be? I am "Balance." Why drag this smear campaign down to the level of "reductio ad absurdum?" Hippies are just "Counter Culture" conditioned automatons in opposition to a civilized world of "Cultured" automatons. It is a most striking example of dualistic, conditioned ignorance in operation, is it not?

rk: This space suit is 62 years old. It has served me well. When I am finished with it, it will drop away. No malady about it.

sp: At the point of you death is when the mirror of truth will catch up to you.

rk: I AM the Mirror of Truth.

sp: People who make a life of spamming news groups only prove that they are socially isolated and have built an impenetrable wall of delusion.

rk: I post to as many groups as possible, given the constraints of the Internet. Why? To wake up as many people as possible who are ready for a fundamental change to take place in human consciousness. Why should such an act of love disturb you so --UNLESS???

sp: >The few examples you've given of social interaction outside your computer room only prove you are socially incapable of meaningful interaction with people.

rk: I do more for mankind in this room and at this computer than do a million scatter-brained, fragmented, reactionary, conditioned ignoramuses having *meaningful reaction* with other politically/religiously correct-thinking "birds of a feather."

sp: As someone who has an extensive background in primal therapy, it is obvious you have suffered from extended emotional trauma.

rk: I see you make no effort to clarify such "extensive background in primal therapy" experience as that of a therapist or a patient. No matter. There is but scant difference between the two. (Read my essay "Odyssey of the Pegs") http://x36.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=473638582

rk: Is it not a case of the "blind leading the blind?" Does not the ignorance of an intellectually-driven mental health industry attempt to force round pegs into square holes -- to force-fit them into a "corrupt society?"

rk: Is it not mind control made manifest when exploitive experts through the medium of language are able to create heretofore nonexistent problems that they may "treat" (but never cure) in order to assure a steady stream of repeat business?

rk: What is that long-standing advertising gimmick which still holds sway? Isn't it find a need, even if you have to manufacture one, then fill it. The spiritually sighted see that the parasitical entities who serve the dark agenda of Government/Religions/Attorneys/Mental Health are experts at this tactic. Ignoramuses are like "putty in the hands" of such Mind Controllers, are they not?

sp: At some point in your past, you were never able to properly bond with your parents. Your posts only show a little boy who wants attention from mommy.

SP

rk: Who is the "mommy" and "daddy" of the Infinite--of Christ Consciousness? Your lesson for the day is now over,

rk: Come back when you are prepared to meet Christ like a man. Until you and the other anonymous pipsqueaks do so, you will only be treated to more of the Mirror of Truth. Hell, isn't it?

Ray Karczewski

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Wimpy's Dilemma

by Raymond Karczewski

I will gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today! "

Remember that? That was Wimpy's stock statement in the old Popeye comic strip. It would seem that Government has made such a deceptive technique into an art form.

That statement comically represented the departure we, as a people, took from a balanced relationship with our government -- a value-for-value, quid pro quo relationship -- when we were schnookered into the ultimate con, that of providing value (taxes) in return for the promise of future government performance.

It can be humorously and simply described in the political pork barrel boast "I've got mine, you've got yours to get."

This is how our world has gotten to be where and what it is today. We have lost our balance as an intelligent people who once understood the wisdom of living in a value-for-value system.

Government requires direct payment in the form of taxes and additional other administrative fees in return for their promise of future performance.

When those promises are not kept, and the public attempts to hold government accountable when such future performances are not delivered, government boldly turns the table on the public by pleading inadequacy in staffing or some other excuse designed to extract more money through additional taxes or user fees.

Have you not heard the plaintive wail of the politician, along with any number of department heads, when questioned about the lack of promised services? Oh, if we had more of a budget, more manpower, more facilities, more equipment, more this, more that, we could solve the problem at hand.

Remember, those who control the money and determine the cost of services rendered, take the position of master in a relationship of slavery. This has been the nature of all civilized societies since the beginning of time.

All societies are exclusive clubs which are complex structures obscuring the simple relationship of the leaders and the led.

A small number of men, through tactics of mind control and fear, control vast numbers of people without whose energy, through taxes and tithing, their overt and often covert agendas could not be carried out.

Raising taxes to ensure services is not the answer. Nothing will ever change until government can be held accountable for how they spend our money. Until then, they maintain their unique status as being the only business structure rewarded for not doing its job.

If our minds can be manipulated to where we are controlled so that words become the substitute for action, forcing us to comply through the implied threat that accompanies such nonperformance, we have stopped being reasonable with each other and the violence of exploitation rears its ugly head.

A society that functions at that level cannot continue for long. Think about it!

Raymond Karczewski

Re: That word "Bassackwards"

Monday, 27-Mar-2000 03:14:32

208.26.131.14 writes:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

rk: The article "That word 'Bassackwards"' originally posted on Dec. 31st, 1997 is one worth repeating. Read it quietly, folks. Pay attention to the reactions to another's word which arise within you, and you will catch a glimpse of your own conditioning.

rk: Those who have been observing the explosive reactions to my words over the past 4-and-a-half years on the Internet will understand the effect the nondualistic Christ State has upon the dualistic, civilized, conditioned mind. IT RAISES THE HELL HYPOCRITES CAN'T KEEP HIDDEN.

Ray Karczewski

At 09:56 AM 12/31/97 -0500, Klapper, Joe wrote:

Joe: Can you explain your use of the word bassackward? Is it a merely a play on letters by moving the b and creating a word that describes itself, or does it have another meaning to you?

rk: It is an emotionally charged word which describes a collective conditioned momentum of civilized men. It describes the misdirection of attention away from the holistic energy of Truth to the worship of the dualistic idea of Truth.

rk: An example: One can easily see the world of division, hatred, wars, poverty, exploitation and bigotry that each of us in our collective conditioned ignorance continue to support. Individually though, we are easily manipulated to respond to glowing words which seduce, schmooze, stroke and train us to react according to regimented matrixes of parochial dualistic thought which allows us to evade responsibility for our actions by projecting blame onto the other guy (the not-you) as being responsible for the violent state of our "civilized" world.

rk: It is "stepping through the looking glass," failing to recognize our own reflection. It is being unaware that every movement observed is precisely opposite of what it is we "think" we are seeing.

rk: We separate and judge while we aspire to embrace and love. We seethe with anger, frustration, and judgment while we marvel and worship heroic images of saints. We act viciously in competition while we hide behind diplomatic (hypocritical) masks uttering positive sounding, inspiring words.

rk: Who amongst those who read this are able to see that in the long, unbroken human history of war, which side did not have "god" on their side, "supporting" them in the vanguishing of their enemies?

rk: The average conditioned human being, plain and simply, is an ignoramus (intellectually bound and spiritually sightless, hence limited in intelligence and therefore ignorant) lost in his own superstitious and mystical thinking. Few have the integrity to admit it and thus invite fundamental change to their lives.

rk: Joe, my Truth is that we are ALL "Christs with Amnesia." Those who have been trained through mind control techniques to the misdirection of self-doubt are little more than codependent bassackwardees who are walking toward the dualistic finite in fear, frustration, anger and resentment, believing all the while that they are walking toward the nondualistic Infinite, toward Love, Truth, and Understanding.

At 01:09 PM 12/31/97 -0500, Klapper, Joe wrote:

Joe: Thank you for the response. I just have a few questions for Ray. I will not discuss the areas I understand what you speak of, as no one can dispute much of what you say.

rk: If there is no dispute in what has been said, communication has taken place. However, subsequent comments indicate you share the same reservations as many others over the manner in which such communication is expressed. That tells me you may have agreed with my comments but you certainly did not understand them. It is all vibratory, Joe. You either agree dualistically, or you understand nondualistically.

Joe: I find your choice of language curious. I mean Spiritual teachers have all had their own language. Certainly Krishnamurti sounded different then Jesus or Lao Tzu, even though they all could have spoken about the same realization. I suspect I could have read this "list" and guessed it was a Krishnamurti list by the words people chose to express their quest for truth. I guess I am interested in the origins of language from within us.

Joe: Why do you use words such as "ignoramus", and "stroking egos" and "bassackward"? They are sort of brutal words in the context of our society (be it dualistic and illusory), and yet if your impulse is to help people understand, do you not risk losing people's interest who are caught in our society's mode of communication? I am curious. Certainly "blinded" would work as well as "ignoramus". Perhaps you feel this plays into our need for security so you must challenge that.

rk: The words expressed in my writing arise from and are guided by the nondualistic, holistic (Holy) Spirit of Intelligence. They are not knowledge born or memory bound. They have an unmistakable energy of their own. It is an energy which the knowledge bound intellect is incapable of ignoring or defending against. That is the nondualistic essence of truth which cuts through all the protective veils of ego as it mirrors and reflects to the ego its own conditioned contradictions.

rk: Joe, your reaction is mild as normal conditioned reactions to my words go, but you are disturbed nevertheless regarding their lack of civilized conformity. You had expectations of what a spiritual personage "should" sound like, and those expectations were not met. That is the normal reaction of a judgmentally trained intellect's failing to have its own conditioning reinforced. You've experienced the letdown as your false reality failed to be supported. Welcome to the human capacity for depression. There's a lesson in all this, Joe; but no one can tell you what it is without reconditioning you in the process.

Joe: Also you speak about mind control techniques in our society. Do you maintain there are people who instigate this consciously, or that there is sort of a collective need in the brain to conform?

rk: Joe, I find your last question quite extraordinary. Mind control is all-pervasive in our civilized world. It would seem by your comment that you have yet to walk the gauntlet.

Ray Karczewski

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Hell Bent for Election

By Raymond Karczewski

Hell is eternal; therefore it must exist NOW, in this very MOMENT.

Hell is a place of suffering, of neverending pain, confusion, injustice, violence, deception, fear, and despair.

How does one know when they are in Hell?

Those who know they are in Hell, are in Hell.

Those who are confused, who do not know they are in Hell, are in Hell; for confusion is an intrinsic part of Hell.

Only those who see clearly, who are not confused, are not in Hell. They are *IN* this world, but not *OF* it.

Where do you fit in?

Hell is an illusion. It manifests through the consent of the damned. It is supported by one's confusion and fears.

Hell's perpetuation depends upon the support of one's energy, one's money in the form of taxes and tithing.

All subjects of Hell, through their fear and violence born of pain, injustice and despair, must willingly sacrifice themselves if necessary. They must be willing to kill and die so that Hell may continue.

A subject of Hell cannot be talked out of Hell, for they perceive Truth to be a foreign language. Truth cannot penetrate the dulled, insensitive consciousness that is their bar to understanding. Its meaning is lost to those who are trapped in the translating effect of the word-twisting ether which permeates their conditioned dimension of consciousness.

People in Hell are separated into groups. They are divided through their parochial ideas and beliefs. By nature they are prideful, nationalistic, and patriotic to a cause of which they have no clear understanding. They are the eternal sheep being led to the eternal slaughter.

They must be pleasured from time to time by their manipulators through the seductions of parades, celebrations, and other emotional spectacles.

Hell cannot exist without the deception which cons one into thinking they have an active voice in its operation, while one's enslavement remains to be the only clear, measurable result of that corrupted existence.

You have just been introduced to the dark secrets which have allowed the "leaders of Hell," the few, to control and exploit the multitudes, the many, since the "beginning" of Civilization.

Power is an illusion. It is gained through YOUR consent. For others to have power over you, you must GIVE it to them.

Having said all this, it's time to VOTE—IN or OUT!

Copyright © 2000 by Raymond Karczewski

Devil Take The Hindmost!

Sunday, 26-Mar-2000 05:06:06

208.26.131.39 writes:

Raymond Karczewski arkent@arkenterprises.com>wrote:

Erik wrote:

rk: Following is a repost of a past communication with Erik. It points out two things:

rk: Age is no determinant of wisdom.

rk: Some GET IT--MOST DON'T!

Ray

Dear Mr. Karczewski,

Hello. My name is Erik, I'm 17 years old and preparing to head off to college next year. I have been following your posts on the Krishnamurti listserv with interest and recently visited your Web site. I admit that I was suprised to find out you were a professional author, though after reading the chapter from Journey Beyond Thought, I am impressed. The way you handle yourself on the K list, amongst all the undue criticism you recieve, is admirable. Every post on the K list which I have read that has your name attached has been inspiring and informing for me, and for that I thank you.

I won't get into my own spritual life in this email, or any questions I have for you....basically because I don't even know if you have time to read this letter. But if you are at all curious, I am slowly becoming more aware of my mind, of my life, of the Truth. I won't make a judgement and say HOW MUCH I do know, compared to anyone else, but I do feel I am in the unique position where most people my age don't seem to understand me very well. I think thats a problem you and I share, though I could be wrong in my judgement. To be great is to be misunderstood, is it not? Well, in my case, maybe I'm just bad with communicating and making myself understood. :)

If I haven't lost your interest yet, I'd just like to say I admire how you write and how you come across. You seem to be a living example of how the Truth can effect our lives. But I also know that I can only find the Truth on my own. I'm sorry if this mail is awkward for you, it sure is for me! I just agree with your ideas and find myself nodding at your posts, saying, "Hey, thats what I think!" I visited your Web page and read the first chapter from Journey Beyond Thought. Your words agree with what I feel like I've ALWAYS known, but just forgot. Great book, but how come I've never heard of it? (hehheh)

Well, I suppose I just want to say I'd enjoy speaking with you on a personal basis, away from the spiritual goodie-ness of the K list. You seem like a person who has alot to share, as you said in your post, and I'd love to share my own experiences with you. With that said, please keep writing to the K list. I look forward to your posts. And don't let the shmuck who did that poll get you down. ;)

Sincerly,

Erik

Erik,

Thank you for your comments. Their kindness and flow reveals a great deal about the energy of your spirit. It would appear that at seventeen you have reached the point that I did at the age of thirty five. It was then that I discovered the writings of Krishnamurti.

Until then I had walked alone. No one among family and friends saw what I saw; nor were they in the least interested in discussing anything beyond the level of small talk.

I was indeed a "fish out of water." I functioned well in school, sports, and in later life, in the workplace; but through it all I never really felt like I "belonged." In reading the works of K, I had finally made a connection with one other who saw life as I did. It was quite a moving experience for me. I was no longer alone.

His words opened me up to myself. I began to find the words to express the inexpressible. In actuality, Erik, you will find that Love is all that is needed to light one's own way. You're going to be hard put to find confirmation for your direct perceptions.

The years which lie ahead for you will be the crucible which will put "your truth" to the test. Erik, you will be sorely tempted to give up what you see so that you might "belong."

What you have observed on the newsgroup is really par for the course. A person of truth understands that such is the price one who lives their truth must pay in a world of conditioned believers. I wish you well on your journey.

Erik, wherever you are, whatever you do, speak your truth and let the devil take the hindmost. Communicate your concerns publicly on the mailing list and/or other newsgroups. Get your feet wet. Do not hide your light under a bushelbasket. Take the risk of communicating from the core of your being. Speak not from the intellect but from the heart. Let the wholistic spirit (holy spirit) of Truth guide your words and actions. Truth is the only shield of protection a "Son of God" has when he steps into a lions den. Use it well and you will grow rich in experiences the world cannot strip away.

Erik, hold to your Truth, and I assure you spiritual growth will be accelerated. Have Faith . . . in yourself!

My Best to you,

Ray

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Queen and Pope to admit religious mistakes

Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:06:34 GMT

gordon_muir@my-deja.com wrote:

David Vorous dave@snakebite.com wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stinwenws03029.html

September 3, 2000

gm: > his looks too coincedental, it looks like they could be excepting Rev.moons advice of unification or his claims of being the messiah or it could be the members of the Parliament of world religions.

dv: Or it could be that all these people are deluded into thinking that all these religions, with their gods and such, are real.

David J. Vorous dave@snakebite.com http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com

dv: Life's too serious to be taken seriously.

rk: david, as a word-bound, belief-driven atheist, your speculative blind intellectual assertions that there is no *God* are no more nor less deluded than that of the religion-conditioned blind believers you oppose on these newsgroups.

rk: You and they are merely word-bound souls who, in a time-bound aftermoment of shared ignorance, keep the divisions/schisms of Hell viable via neverending psychological opposition. Both opposing sides exemplify the Hell on earth made possible by LEGIONS of such terminals (civilized automatons) of cluttered consciousness who carry with them unnecessary, not understood, psychological baggage full of empty words and images.

rk: Both are but two sides of the same coin of conditioned ignorance -- each side judging the other from their own parochial, inert, hellish, dualistic, computer-like schism-producing intellect.

rk: Neither the believer nor the atheist, each of whom make up the LEGION of the "living dead," is capable of grasping that nondualistic "living" essence of Truth labeled by man as GOD.

rk: GOD is that "unknown essence" which exists beyond their limited, time-bound, letter-of-the-word, linear intellect.

rk: God is the Infinite Intelligence, the holistic MIRROR of TRUTH which reflects back to them their conditioned fragmentation.

rk: The words GOD and TRUTH are but intellectual symbols which ignoramuses CAN and DO argue about endlessly. However, the wordless essence which both words merely represent is inarguable.

rk: It is this nondualistic energy which holds the secret of liberation for the Human Spirit. It is this energy that the gates of dualistic Hell shall never prevail against.

rk: One need only look at these newsgroups to see the power of the holistic, Infinite Intelligence that is called God acting through a man of Truth. Observe quietly its devastating effect upon the noisy, chattering, conflicted, civilized intellect.

rk: It is MIRRORING the insanity of the Bassackward, conditioned, civilized Intellect which has caused LEGIONS of anonymous, cowardly, emotionally and psychologically depleted hypocrites to retreat in ignominious defeat despite their organization, numbers and beginning momentum, while a simple man of Truth remains undiminished, undeterred, and whole.

rk: Go beyond the words you see on this screen. Be quiet, and you will SEE the Truth for yourself.

rk: The organized and conspiratorial Ignoramuses frantically, habitually and impotently set about to compensate for their own obvious unawareness of being mere computer automatons, conditioned and driven by words--in other words, CIVILIZED IGNORAMUSES. The sadness of it all is that other onlooking IGNORAMUSES think and judge such behavior to be NORMAL!

rk: Don't take my word for it. Check these newsgroups/forums for yourself. The proof is self evident.

rk: Anyone who relinquishes their *True Estate as a Child of God*(A CHRIST) *falls from grace* and steps into Hell, the level of "civilized" human consciousness ruled by the confusion of dualistic choice. Such Fall from Grace renders them codependent, and causes them to seek out and pay homage to mystical illusions which may take the form of a Savior, a Messiah, a Queen, a Pope, or a NEW WORLD ORDER. Such is the soul damning testimony of conditioned ignorance in the act of expressing itself.

rk: Hell, isn't it?

Ray Karczewski

IS YOUR LIFE ORDERLY OR ORGANIZED?

Wednesday, 22-Mar-2000 02:15:50

208.26.131.16 writes:

Order is the natural state of nonduality. It is a state of momentary noncontradiction.

Order is truth.

Truth is beyond thought.

The illusion of truth is merely a truth-reflecting thought.

An honest, integral (holistic) person is order itself.

A fragmented, thought-based, person, by their very dualistic nature, is disorder per se.

Organization is the technical mask of order which covers up the disordered psychological state of dualistic contradiction and confusion.

An indoctrinated person (hypocrite), educated to be disordered, is compelled to manage or cope with the endless contradictions of his trained, confused state of consciousness.

Organization is absolutely necessary in matters technical, but throroughly destructive when it bleeds over into the psychological realm.

Technical indoctrination in lieu of psychological awareness, is the mark of a civilized, corrupted human being.

The essence of freedom is Order itself . . . Eternal enslavement to disorder is Hell

Now mirror your present psychological state and honestly ask yourself the question:

AM I ORDERLY, OR AM I MERELY ORGANIZED?

Copyright © 1996 Raymond Karczewski

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Re: IS YOUR LIFE ORDERLY OR Organized

Wednesday, 22-Mar-2000 14:21:16

208.26.131.19 writes:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:27:33 -0800,

Ann wrote:

a: >That was very enlightening. As I look around, I want to take away half of the things that clutter my mind, house, and leave me with a worried consiousness in the truth in knowing that, yes, my house is a reflection of me and I dont like it right now if it shows the state of my consiousness. I should be organizing and throwing away, not be here. Did I get your point? I know you don't just mean your house... -Ann

rk: Yes, Ann, you got the point! Order is multidiminsional, holistic in its essence. It remains holistic, regardless of where it may manifest in one's vibratory environment of consciousness. Holistic Intelligence is indeed a "Stranger in a Strange Land" -- alien to those possessed of a conditioned, fragmentary intellect. It may find itself in that world, but it is not of it; hence, the Christ State (Infinite, Unbounded Intelligence) becomes a Mirror to all.

rk: Clean house within (physician heal thyself), and the outer environment takes care of itself, effortlessly.

rk: To be orderly one must understand the spiritual vehicle of ego (self-realization). A healthy ego is Multidimensional, unbounded, free. An unhealthy, memory-bound ego is linear and time-bound (trapped) in its relationship to ideas and material accumulation.

rk:With understanding comes detachment. With detachment, freedom. With freedom, unboundedness. With unboundedness, Infinite Intelligence. With Infinite Intelligence -- ORDER.

rk: Get quiet. Meditate. Observe the thoughts which arise within. Don't interpret them. Let them tell you their story. When you get their point (understand them), the recurrent thoughts, the sign of an unhealthy conditioned ego's unfinished psychological business, fall away to whence they came, never to return. In that moment Understanding has set you free. That is how to heal an unhealthy, civilized ego which has been conditioned toward accumulation in the thought and material realms.

rk: Ann, forgive me if I told you more than you wanted to know.

rk: However, a word of caution is in order. Be careful what you ask for. When Ann becomes ORDERLY, that ORDER will then mirror the DISORDER in others.

rk: Is Ann willing to pay the price of being a Mirror of Truth?

Ray Karczewski

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Supreme Intelligence: The True Estate of Man (Was Re: Contact)

Friday, 17-Mar-2000 12:16:38

208.26.131.38 writes:

Posted from IP: 216.46.203.88

Jim Koledo Email: coganon@pathwaynet.com wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote;

rk: I should like to comment on the following guide for Serene Living submitted by Jim.

A Simple Guide For Serene Living

1. There is a Higher Power whom we call God.

rk: 1a: It is the infinite unbounded Supreme Intelligence which cannot be limited by a single label or idea. That is why ignorant people argue over the word "god" yet are unable to touch its essence in such meaningless debate.

2. God is the most perfect embodiment of every spiritual thought, especially Love.

rk: 2a: Perfect embodiment, especially Love is holistic (nondualistic) in nature. Spiritual thought is dualistic thought. It is merely a reflection of that Unnameable, indefinable Essence. To worship thought is to worship a "false god" a mere reflecttion.

3. You are the highest known idea of God.

rk: 3a: Sounds like age old priestly conditioning to me. Are not all manifestations of creation the body of that indefinable Supreme Intelligence?

4. The mind of God, call it the Spirit, is within all things and is in you.

rk: 4a: Indeed Spirit is the nondualistic essence that is within all.

5. Set aside a time to pray and meditate to the God of your own understanding.

rk: 5a: Quietness is possible only when the Intellect dies in the moment of NOW. Thus is born the realm of No-thingness. Only No-thingness is Infinite, unbounded. Some-thingness is always of the finite, fragmented, partial thought. It is of the Satanic (opposer) intellect which is responsible for the confusion wrought by the reflection, the concept, the creator of the technical realm. Clarity and Serenity manifest in quietness. Noise and confusion--in the conditioned Intellect.

6. Fearlessly and honestly examine yourself.

rk: 6a: Fearlessly and honestly are of the "nondualistic" momentum made manifest in a dualistic realm. It is an energy that is "In this world, but not OF it."

7. Your spirituality is your only abiding strength.

rk: 7a: Spirituality is Truth manifest. It is the only shield one needs, for the gates of intellectual hell cannot prevail against it.

8. Make progress, spiritually, that you might Love yourself.

rk: 8a: Understand what nondualistic Love is. Do not tarry at the dualistic "thought of love." The former leads to Heaven, the latter to Hell.

9. You will be recognized by your acts.

rk: 9a: Only by the "spiritually sighted" Your acts cannot be seen so they will be interpreted through the conditioned filter of Intellect by the blind and ignorant. Therein lies judgement and condemnation of matters which lie well beyond the awareness of ignoramuses.

10. Be single-minded, whole-hearted and purposeful in your acts.

rk: 10a: Yes!! for such is the nature of nondualistic action, i.e., Truth.

11. Act on your spiritual beliefs guided by others in your spiritual community.

rk: 11a: Sorry, I see this as the momentum of the "blind leading the blind." This is where the Truly Spiritual part company with the spiritual kindergarten of "organized religions." Truth is not established by consensus "thinking." TRUTH IS!

12. Seek humility and moderation for your life.

rk: 12a: No need to seek. It is always there when ambition and "nontechnical" goal-setting drop away.

13. As you sow and cultivate, so shall you harvest.

rk: 13a: True. It is the Spiritual Law of Reciprocity, of Karma.

14. Treat others as you would have them treat you.

rk: 14a: Another Son of God once put it "what ye do to the least of my brothers ye do to me. This was the man who also said "I am the Truth, the Life, and the Way." He was speaking of the Oneness of Life, the Supreme nondualistic, Intelligence which permeates all. Such statements cannot be grasped by a fragmented intellect. Hence the word "ignorance" is sometimes necessary to point out such limitations to Bassackward prideful intellects. Shocking but effective.

15. Try to forgive everyone for everything.

rk: 15a: Do not confuse forgiveness with being a doormat. Take NO CRAP! Hold all accountable. Indeed forgive your errant Brothers and Sisters but only after the law of Karma has exacted its due for the lesson taught. Anything less feeds the corrup on of irresponsibility.

16. Try to do your duty.

rk: 16a: Duty does not exist for Infinite Intelligence. Duty exists only in the Satanic (opposer) Intellect.

17. Honor your parents, siblings and children.

rk: 17a: Only if they are honorable. Otherwise such misdirected momentum only reinforces the ignorance and corruption that is conditioned Intellect.

18. Love your neighbor.

rk: 18a: Such Love is made manifest in a Life lived in integrity and Truth.

19. Respect the elderly, the sick and the poor.

rk: 19a: Same as above.

20. Be, in all your words and actions, a peacemaker.

rk: 20a: The greatest manifestation of a "peacemaker" is a "mirror of Truth" which does not resist that which it reflects." It is only possible with men/women of Truth. Anything less is the act of hypocrisy with is seductions and panderings in service to the flawed Intellect.

21. Be slow to anger.

rk: 21a: Anger (not chronic conditioned anger) is a natural reaction when the flowing momentum of nondualistic energy meets with the brick wall of problems erected by blind intellects. One who *sees* is aware. One who *thinks* is unaware. Ask yourselves. Where are the problems to be found? Where is Anger to be found?

22. Live in unity; try not to do harm.

rk: 22a: Try is a useless rationalization. One either does or does not harm.

23. Try not to misjudge others.

rk: 23a: See *Try* above!

24. Try to be truthful.

rk: 24a: See *Try* above!

25. Seek wisdom through education and experience.

rk: 25a: Wisdom arises from Understanding, Knowledge arises from education and experience. One can be young and stupid or old and stupid. Longevity does not guarantee wisdom. Look at the world we have created for ourselves. It speaks for itself.

26. Recognize what is presently unknowable.

rk: 26a: How does one "recognize" the "unknowable" the "unrecognizeable." See what is meant by empty rhetoric interspersed with Truth. It is the essence of disinformation, is it not?

27. Trust in God; be grateful for your life and death.

rk: 27a: Trust in yourself and you shall understand what it means to be a "Child of God." the Christ, the True estate of Human Beings given up at the moment of his "Fall from Grace."

28. At so-called "Death," we return to our Creator, to that state in which we existed before we were born! ***

rk: 28a: Eternity is NOW. It has no beginning or end. The realization of that dispells (dis-spells) the hypnotic spell-bound illusion of time. That ending is death. When time falls away in the Living moment the Infinite Supreme Intelligence which has never left one is there, has always been there. It is the ignorance of conditioning which has blinded thought bound believers from understanding the nature of "Eternal Life."

29. Love! Love without condition to the limit of your pain! Then, rest and love on until peace comes.

rk: 29a: YES!

30. Enough love can conquer anything. When the power of love replaces the love of power, spiritual perfection will be achieved.

rk: 30a: Achievement is always of the Dualistic realm of Intellect. It cannot bring Love. It can only manifest the Counterfeit Thought/Idea of Love. Such is the nature of Bassackwards. Blind intellectually driven believers follow the herd in emotional fellowship only to wind up in the ditch of despair. Instead of wisdom they settle for commiseration.

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***When the modern people of the world embrace the principles of A Simple Guide For Serene Living, especially Statement 28, then, there can be unity.

rk: When modern people of the world break the bonds of conditioned thought and AWAKEN to their own UNAWARENESS, then there can be unity.

rk: Jim, thanks for the opportunity for allowing dialogue into the guidelines of your post. It is this kind of "you tell me what you see" and I will "tell you what I see" that will bring an end to blind adherence to thought and usher in a New Consciousness based in Spiritual Sightedness (Awareness).

Ray Karczewski

We believe that our Guide represents a rational statement of the principal components of human conduct which will lead to a serene life and death for all spiritually-centered humans. Primitive speculations about life-after-death myths are the reasons for the existence of thousands of different religious cults that divide humankind. Their irrational dogmas are a barrier to establishing the Kingdom of God on earth.

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© 1994 The Church of God Anonymous

www.churchofgodanonymous.org

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Let Go--Let God

Thursday, 16-Mar-2000 14:04:18

208.26.131.37 writes:

At 08:27 AM 3/16/00 -0800, you wrote:

>Peace and Love,

>Please read my poetry and comment,

>Reverend James

Hello Jim,

Your poetry conveyed the spirit of an extraordinarily sensitive human being whose boyhood images eternally clash with the life experience reality of a harsh, unfeeling, cold, psychologically-driven material environment.

Have your beautiful images bound you to the past, or have they liberated you? Can you die to the memories which produce such beautiful images, or have these images emerged as the motive force of your present life?

Must you hold tenaciously to them?

Do they represent beauty in a life where beauty has become an island getaway from a world gone mad?

Does not alcohol also serve as that "island getaway from a world gone mad?"

The only question one spiritual brother may ask of another is can you LET GO--LET GOD?

To do so, one must understand the Truth represented by the words LET GO--LET GOD. It's as simple as falling off a log, and yet it is no Simple Task, is it?

To do so, one must understand the simplicity of life through direct perception, and not grapple with the complexity of an indirect, knowledge-bound Intellect.

It is a matter of simple resonance which distinguishes the spiritually sighted from the intellectually blind.

Such is the nature of Love. It bears no resemblance to the "idea" of love.

To understand the nature of "Love and Truth" is the key to liberation for "spiritual seekers" who are plagued by a relentless, memory-bound intellect.

The problem which faces seekers is the act of seeking itself.

My Best to you,

Ray

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Contact

Friday, 10-Mar-2000 09:15:31

209.54.248.53 writes:

I have been reading a good amount of your messages and I must say your words are quite powerful.

I have several points to discuss with you.

First, there is the idea that a dualistic mentality is created by an over-emphasis on the intellect and the mind. So that means that the idea of right and wrong, good and bad, is simply an illusion based on an unbalanced focus on abstract symbols, like words, correct?

And this is explained in the Bible in the story of Adam and Eve eating fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So then this means that goodness and badness are illusory, and they don't really have a place in a spiritually enlightened person, for they lack the essence of eternal truth, since they are illusions.

A related matter is the conflict over reality.

The 'dark forces' of materialism and coercive power seek to dominate this plane of reality, vs. the forces of light, to put it simply. Allow me to put words into your mouth and say that this is the struggle which you wage so energetically.

Taking a step back and looking at this situation, it is based on a dualistic perception: dark vs. light, good vs bad.

So if the idea in the first paragraph is sound, and the war which is waged between between light and dark is dualistic, does that not mean that the struggle itself is an illusion??!?

This is confusing to me. If illusion is to be transcended/disregarded, and the struggle of light/darkness is illusion, what does that mean?

It seems to me that the only thing to do under such circumstances is to simply observe what is happening while maintaining good spiritual energies.

I am not sure I even understand my own question, lol!

But you seem to know what you are talking about and so I am sure you can help me.

Another subject is myself. I am politically conscious, spiritual, aware of and outraged at the degeneracy of 'civilized' society. I am aware of my energies, and my ability to express power as a child of God. I also know that my life will find its own course regardless of what happens. However, these things do not necessarily mean that I know what hell I am doing. I am a senior at ArizonaSUniv majoring in international relations. and plan to go on to grad school. Given the current state of affairs, I have little to no interest in joining the rat race in any of its forms. I will never sell out, and I struggle (successfully) with the negativities of modern society every day.

My question is what path do you recommend I take? Should I attempt to make change from within the system or outside of it? Dropping out, fighting head on, biding my time, all of these and more are possibilities for my future. I am very unsure about what I am going to do in the future. I am not afraid. It's just that I think I could use some advice, maybe it will help somehow.

Feel free to post this message however you like.

Nicolas Gutierrez

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Re: Contact

Friday, 10-Mar-2000 16:03:12

208.26.131.34 writes:

Friday, 10-Mar-2000 09:15:31

209.54.248.53 Nicolas Gutierrez writes:

Raymond Karczewski writes:

rk: First of all, Nick, let me welcome you aboard the "Spiritual Express."

ng: I have been reading a good amount of your messages and I must say your words are quite powerful. I have several points to discuss with you. First, there is the idea that a dualistic mentality is created by an over-emphasis on the intellect and the mind. So that means that the idea of right and wrong, good and bad, is simply an illusion based on an unbalanced focus on abstract symbols, like words, correct?

rk: Nick, your momentum indicates a vulnerability, an openness to express what most desire to keep hidden. Those are just two elements of the necessary vibration which allows serious dialogue to ensue.

rk: You tell me what you see, honestly, directly, and as accurately as the limitations of language allow. I do likewise. Let the nondualistic energy of the holistic (holy spirit) Spirit of Intelligence operate through us, forming the words necessary for the communication. Relax. Be Quiet. Express from quietness. Listen in quietness. Observe the reactions which will inevitably arise from within, and you will realize you are your own teacher. It is relationship which acts as a catalyst to such self-realization.

rk: The dualistic state is the nature of the vibratory realm of knowledge-bound Intellect. It manifests as the conflict-ridden unhealthy ego, stuck in time and space. An unhealthy ego is a "minion of hell" for it is trapped in the realm of time-bound opposites and remains there only through its own conditioned ignorance. It has bargained away its soul, its wholeness (a healthy ego), in return for the seductive dualistic promises of a Satanically (opposing) ruled intellect.

ng: And this is explained in the Bible in the story of Adam and Eve eating fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

rk: Yes, such has been labeled as "Man's Fall from Grace."

ng: So then this means that goodness and badness are illusory, and they don't really have a place in a spiritually enlightened person, for they lack the essence of eternal truth, since they are illusions.

rk: See clearly and all illusions are dispelled (dis-spell). The dualistic based hypnotic spell has been broken, the illusion disintegrates, and there is only WHAT IS -- TRUTH. Some have called it the "Resurrection of the Spirit," the Spiritual Rebirth.

rk: In other words, when one sees clearly, there is no opposite to WHAT IS, there is no confusion. Simple, isn't it? Try to communicate that to anyone who refuses to open their eyes and has been conditioned to navigate through life by pridefully depending upon the "automatic pilot" of Intellect which allows him/her to "fly blind."

ng: A related matter is the conflict over reality. The 'dark forces' of materialism and coercive power seek to dominate this plane of reality, vs. the forces of light, to put it simply. Allow me to put words into your mouth and say that this is the struggle which you wage so energetically.

rk: My spiritual brother Jesus couched it in terms of "I am in this world (the world of dualistic thought) but not of it." In my intention to awaken my hypnotically sleeping spiritual brothers and sisters, I have expressed it as "I am in this 'sty' but not of it." One who is awake (aware) can come and go at will while the unaware remain trapped in the sty.

ng: Taking a step back and looking at this situation, it is based on a dualistic perception: dark vs. light, good vs bad.

rk: Yes, the dualistic, time-bound intellect trapped in reaction to its own projected opposition.

ng: So if the idea in the first paragraph is sound, and the war which is waged between between light and dark is dualistic, does that not mean that the struggle itself is an illusion??!?

rk: Be quiet. Look at that statement. You already "understand" the answer to that question, do you not? Do not tarry at the periphery of knowledge. Go "bottom line" to the source for the dissolution of your own problematic knowledge-bound dilemmas. Problem solving is found only in the intellect of man, is it not? Transcend that habitual conditioned state and tell me, where is the problem? This is what life is all about. Understanding through problem solving. It can take a lifetime, or merely a fleeting timeless moment. That is the nature of Life expressing itself, is it not?

ng: This is confusing to me. If illusion is to be transcended/disregarded, and the struggle of light/darkness is illusion, what does that mean?

rk: The path to quietness is meditation. There all noise, all images, all illusions are disintegrated. Meaning is no more than Truth expressing itself in silence. Once you see it, understand it, resonate with it; such understanding cannot be stripped away by another. It is only in the partial grasp of that which is called knowledge where all the games are played. Understanding is unbounded "awareness." Knowledge is the time-bound state of "unawareness."

ng: It seems to me that the only thing to do under such circumstances is to simply observe what is happening while maintaining good spiritual energies.

rk: Bingo!

ng: I am not sure I even understand my own question, lol!

rk: Again welcome to the Spiritual Pilgrimage. You are seeing the multidimension consciousness that is Supreme Intelligence expressing itself. Simultaneously you perceive the unbounded and the bounded. Were it not so, you would not have expressed yourself as you did in the above sentence.

ng: But you seem to know what you are talking about and so I am sure you can help me.

rk: I could talk to you and tell you verbally of the "WHAT IS" directly perceived. But if you do not possess the spiritual eyes to see and the ears to hear, nor the inclination or openness to invite it into your consciousness, I would be talking to one who is spiritually blind and deaf till I am "blue in the face."

rk: Explanation is the energy of *enabling* the blind and deaf to remain in their knowledge-bound Hell. Mirroring that behavior shocks and awakens. Some wake up. Others squirm and go back to sleep. Others, yet, do not budge from their deep somnambulistic state of conditioned consciousness.

ng: Another subject is myself. I am politically conscious, spiritual, aware of and outraged at the degeneracy of 'civilized' society.

rk: See the outrage is your own inrage, for it is a dualistic reaction. It binds you to the object of outrage (your judgement). See the wisdom in the adage "resist not evil."

ng: I am aware of my energies, and my ability to express power as a child of God. I also know that my life will find its own course regardless of what happens. However, these things do not necessarily mean that I know what hell I am doing.

rk: Let go, let God! In other words, let go of knowledge (dualism) and allow Supreme Intelligence (nondualistic Truth) to guide you, to work through you. Truth is all the protection you need. See It! Be It! Live It! (One Spiritual Brother couched it thus: " I AM THE TRUTH, THE LIFE, AND THE WAY...") Then let the devil (knowledge) take the hindmost.

ng: I am a senior at ArizonaSUniv majoring in international relations. and plan to go on to grad school. Given the current state of affairs, I have little to no interest in joining the rat race in any of its forms.

rk: That is Supreme Intelligence guiding you, is it not?

ng: I will never sell out, and I struggle (successfully) with the negativities of modern society every day.

rk: Stop the struggle and start mirroring. You will see that you are eternally walking through life while in the "eye of the hurricane." Utter calm and peace is your True Estate even though destructive, dualistic forces swirl all around you.

ng: My question is what path do you recommend I take?

rk: You sound ok to me. Stay with quietness and you can't go wrong (quietness is the nature of the infinite, while noise and conflict are the nature of finite knowledge). Why sell your soul to the devil?

rk: Use knowledge for technical problem solving, for that is the proper venue of the intellect. Beyond the technical, be quiet. One must die to the intellect, must end its chatter. In such a Moment of Truth, Spiritual Rebirth occurs. The essence of Truth, of Infinite Intelligence, may then guide you in your every action. That is the nature of "letting go, letting God." Such Spiritual Sightedness is its own action. It is holistic and without complication. Someone once said "what profiteth a man to gain the world (the world of partial, fragmented thought) yet lose his soul (his wholeness)."

ng: Should I attempt to make change from within the system or outside of it? Dropping out, fighting head on, biding my time, all of these and more are possibilities for my future. I am very unsure about what I am going to do in the future. I am not afraid. It's just that I think I could use some advice, maybe it will help somehow.

rk: Nick, you are on the path. Have Faith in yourself, (the ethereal energy of understanding), and you will do the right thing at the right time. Therein lies the secret of peace.

rk: Nick, I want to thank you for your contribution. Out of the last 25 days this bulletin board has been up, and more than 1300 visits to the site, yours is the first post to launch a serious dialgue. You have broken the barrier of apprehension that 1300-plus other people could not break.

rk: I am not a spiritual teacher, nor do I intend that this forum take on that energy. I merely share with others what I have understood.

rk: Now that your intrepidness has broken the barrier of apprehension shared by all who fear exposure of their knowledge-bound consciousness, perhaps others will now see just how "painless" it can be for two or more to share their understanding with each other and with the onlooking world. In this way, on this bulletin board, I invite serious spiritual dialogue.

rk: Together and individually we can change the "collective consciousness" of man. ng: Feel free to post this message however you like.

Nicolas Gutierrez

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Re: Contact

Friday, 17-Mar-2000 00:36:37

216.46.203.88 writes:

A Simple Guide For Serene Living

1. There is a Higher Power whom we call God.

2. God is the most perfect embodiment of every spiritual thought, especially Love.

3. You are the highest known idea of God.

4. The mind of God, call it the Spirit, is within all things and is in you.

5. Set aside a time to pray and meditate to the God of your own understanding.

6. Fearlessly and honestly examine yourself.

7. Your spirituality is your only abiding strength.

8. Make progress, spiritually, that you might Love yourself.

9. You will be recognized by your acts.

10. Be single-minded, whole-hearted and purposeful in your acts.

11. Act on your spiritual beliefs guided by others in your spiritual community.

12. Seek humility and moderation for your life.

13. As you sow and cultivate, so shall you harvest.

14. Treat others as you would have them treat you.

15. Try to forgive everyone for everything.

16. Try to do your duty.

17. Honor your parents, siblings and children.

18. Love your neighbor.

19. Respect the elderly, the sick and the poor.

20. Be, in all your words and actions, a peacemaker.

21. Be slow to anger.

22. Live in unity; try not to do harm.

23. Try not to misjudge others.

24. Try to be truthful.

25. Seek wisdom through education and experience.

26. Recognize what is presently unknowable.

27. Trust in God; be grateful for your life and death.

28. At so-called "Death," we return to our Creator, to that state in which we existed before we were born! ***

29. Love! Love without condition to the limit of your pain! Then, rest and love on until peace comes.

30. Enough love can conquer anything. When the power of love replaces the love of power, spiritual perfection will be achieved.

_________________________________________

***When the modern people of the world embrace the principles of A Simple Guide For Serene Living, especially Statement 28, then, there can be unity.

We believe that our Guide represents a rational statement of the principal components of human conduct which will lead to a serene life and death for all spiritually-centered humans.

Primitive speculations about life-after-death myths are the reasons for the existence of thousands of different religious cults that divide humankind. Their irrational dogmas are a barrier to establishing the Kingdom of God on earth.

_________________________________________

© 1994 The Church of God Anonymous

www.churchofgodanonymous.org

Jim Koledo

The Emperor is Naked

Wednesday, 16-Feb-2000 15:38:44

208.26.131.196 writes:

When will we awaken to the mind control and conditioning processes used by government and religious institutions in the altering of our thinking processes as human beings?

The program of indoctrination begins early in life as it is imposed upon the impressionable minds of our children who are powerless to protect themselves against such techniques. This has nothing to do with the technical aspects of the 3R's, which is only incidental as to why we are educated. Without the 3R's, the authorities would be unable to sell and carry out their real agenda to a helpless, undiscriminating, impressionable, but ignorant mind.

Through the imposition of pressure, the child is kept off balance until he capitulates to the authority or to the prevailing momentum of the peer group with whom he identifies.

The overkill use of rules, whether they make sense or not, sets the momentum of that particular life. Once that breakpoint occurs, it is more than likely that the child will spend a lifetime attempting to undo what was done to him in those early formative years. Life is spent dealing with the hangups of these untrue, culturally-conditioned principles which interfere with one's later actions in life.

Pressure becomes the key which dominates his behavior.

The outcome of such conditioning is quite predictable. It results in a deceptive life based in neverending struggle, pain, suffering, and aggression, with its respites of prideful moments of power, pleasure, and its innumerable escapes found in the use of drugs, alcohol, sex, sports, and other entertainment events. These are the carrots offered to unwitting slaves who would not otherwise readily serve their masters with their own sweat and blood and, yes, even with their lives, when called upon to fulfill an ever increasing demand placed upon them by some mysterious force they cannot comprehend. Call it God, country, the government-corporate structure or whatever, the average person cannot manifest clearly within his consciousness that variable which eternally eludes him and thereby enslaves him.

Traumatize a person from directly experiencing life as it is. Redirect him to live in his mind through the imposition of concepts. Add a twist of judgment of right and wrong, or good and evil, through Pavlovian training of reward and punishment. You can then make any natural act, common to the human species, an abomination which wracks the individual with neverending guilt and resentment. Knock him off balance and you've got control of him. Control the mind and you control the person. Control the person and you control his destiny. Control his destiny and you've got yourself a willing slave who will do just about anything for a little bit of pleasure or recognition.

There has never been a moment of collective peace on this earth since man came upon the scene and decided to civilize himself. Such civilized behavior has been the cause of the endless struggle we find life to be. This is because man lives in his mind and, in his arrogance, seeks to impose his will upon everything, from nature to his fellow man.

Life doesn't give two hoots about man's concepts. If you don't think so, impose your concepts on the next flood, hurricane, earthquake, or some other natural event that comes along. See if you can personally make a difference in its outcome through your thought processes!

Only in the power-greedy, or spiritually bereft mind, the mind which must identify with and cling to its material possessions, are these events called disasters. In reality, these are reminder messages given to a limited mind, that, regardless of what it thinks, it is powerless against those matters beyond its ken. It is a not-so-subtle prompt urging spiritual growth.

In the state of wholeness, peace Is. No struggle or conflict can arise when things are in a state of wholeness, a state of at-one-ment. When all things are at one, there is nothing to fight with. This wholeness is, in fact, Love. It is without barriers. It is the infinite and the unbounded. It is the nature of that unknown creative essence we mortals call God.

God cannot be a mere limitation of words, can He? This word game of labeling things we don't understand,for the purpose of egotistical self-expansion, is a trick of the dualistic, intellectual mind. This is the mind that functions in separation and division. This duality is the necessary element that must be actively present for Hell to thrive.

The man Jesus was a man who understood His own mind and transcended it. Such is theResurrection of the Spirit no longer tethered by a materialistic mind. He was a man of Love, the whole man, the human man (Hu is the oriental name of God), the God man; and He preached that we were all children of God. Not the God that is limited by cultural conditioning, but that which is beyond all words and conceptions. Did He not warn that others—wolves in sheep's clothing—would come in His name to deceive?

When your whole life can be set into a destructive course; when you can be divided against your brother or neighbor who holds a different idea; when you are willing to kill rather than understand the frivolousness of a mind bound up by such stupid dogma; you can readily be made to accept or do anything desired by the controller, thinking all the while that it was your own idea. Such a man is a fool.

Do you want to know when you are in Hell? Pick a side, any side. It really doesn't matter which side you pick. Do you see the point? We are conditioned to take sides and fight to the death, if necessary, over concepts we don't even understand! But we do need an opposing side to fight with, don't we? This deliberate act of division is the separative process that puts us into conflict with everyone and everything.

One can divide anything in order to pick a fight with another, whether it be the concepts of liberal and conservative, male and female, black and white, good and evil, right and wrong, my nation, your nation, or even in its most simple form, you and me.

This is the hell of a whole mind split into two opposing forces. These forces are necessary to continue the struggle and perpetuate the hell in our lives. We have an abundance of leaders, both political and religious, who are compelled to keep these divisions going. This is done to create a relationship of dependence, to perpetuate the need for their leadership. These are the servants of Hell who wouldn't get very far if they didn't have a pleasant image to cover up their real agendas.

he only way to spot them comes from sound advice—By their actions, they will be known. Do they sow the seeds of peace, or of endless conflict and strife? That's for each of us to see for ourselves.

Take a good look at your politicians and your clergy. Are they and have they been telling you the truth? Where has such leadership taken us? With its present momentum, where is it leading us? I, for one, do not see a pretty picture awaiting us in the future unless we snap out of our present trance state. Yes, hypnosis is the altered state of awareness of one who lives in his mind and is unable to discriminate between a fact and the idea of a fact. This simple twist of perception is the secret that has allowed Hell to reign on earth since the inception of civilized society. It is the characterization of the fall from grace as depicted in the Judeo-Christian account of Genesis.

I look around and am amazed at the damage done to others in the name of religion and, here in our Western culture, being largely Christian, in the name of Christ. Can it not be seen that any dogmatic belief in images has nothing to do with God, the nameless, the unknown, the infinite?

We, each of us, are born into this world complete, sovereign human beings. We must give up that sovereignty to become trapped within the hell of our own making. When we do so, fear becomes our master. We will do anything to assuage such fear and please those who are able to elicit it in us. These leaders operate out of the realm of illusion. No one has authority over you unless you give it to them. When you arrive at this realization, the illusion of power and authority will disintegrate, and you will have regained your lost sovereignty.

Here is a challenge to the average Christian. Understand what Jesus understood and you can then say you know Christ. Then live your life guided by such understanding. Without that real and abiding relationship with the truth that can be found in His words (not the stories told about Him, which are largely based in myth and legend), you understand nothing about your object of worship. This is the way to determine whether one's religion is genuine or merely a counterfeit.

Do not look to others to change. Change yourself and the world will follow. For in a nondualistic reality, you are, in fact, the world!

Christs with Amnesia

Copyright © 1995 by Raymond Karczewski

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Balance

Wednesday, 16-Feb-2000 07:48:20

208.26.131.45 writes:

Balance occurs when opposing forces equal each other in energy, canceling the need for opposition.

Balance is based in love, in cooperation, in one-ness.

When balance is lost, power emerges and brings with it the conflict of opposition.

The civilized world of man, based in his thought, is founded neither in love, nor in balance, but in power.

Money is the material symbol which the mind has created to represent the abstract concept of man's energy. One sees this clearly, as money can be traded for another man's energy for the purpose of problem solving. If one has no money, one must solve his own problems with his own personal energy; but then life becomes a neverending struggle, with no relief in sight. However, with an adequate amount of money at hand, another can be hired to solve the problem. Thus, one's life is made a little easier.

Through mind control, the money which fuels the operations of governments and religions is secured by the forceful stripping of this energy from the masses. This is accomplished through the traditional medium of taxes and tithing. The vast numbers of the ruled masses give up their energy (their money) to those who make the rules, as they feel they have no choice but to do so.

Through ignorance, the average man remains unaware of the fact that without his energy, his money, the governments, religions, multinational elitists, international bankers, and the corporate leaders, all of whom cooperate to their mutual advantage in shaping and controlling the monetary, social, and thought systems of the masses, cannot carry out their agendas. These agendas, open and hidden, have repeatedly been shown to be a destructive course for mankind to have taken. Man has not learned the lesson contained in the fable of The Emperor's New Clothes. He has lost the innocence and honesty of the child who was able to see through the illusion the grownups would not even admit existed.

The average man has been conditioned out of his common sense and is unable to see anything clearly; for mind control has robbed him of his clarity. So he lives in darkness, in fear, waiting for some Messiah to come and rescue him, to lead him out of his quandary. There exist many institutions in our world that promise to do just that. Isn't it strange that since the recorded history of mankind, the promises continue; but we find ourselves still waiting. All the while, our societies disintegrate further and further.

We can change our world today, but it must start with each of us. It cannot, however, be done on an organized level; for the leaders of an organized movement can be controlled. Control the leader, the shepherd, and you automatically control the sheep.

In a prior letter I alluded to the simple solution. We must establish a new relationship with money. Renegotiate your employment contract with your employer by changing the withholding agreement wherein you are prevented from receiving your full day's wage for a full day's work. Enter into a quid pro quo relationship, a value for value relationship, with your employer. Then you decide the form your government should take. Do it by voluntarily allocating your money to the programs you want to support. Do that, and you're free. You've taken charge of your life, perhaps for the first time. Beware of the promise of a better life through the seduction of a cashless society.

When you give up control over your money to those who set the prices and make the rules which affect your ability to spend your money your way, you have slavery in no uncertain terms. If you think the old company store which personified modern-day slavery in this century is gone, you are mistaken.

It is called a different name—cashless society.

Christs with Amnesia

Copyright © 1995 by Raymond Karczewski

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Christian or Bigot?

Monday, 14-Feb-2000 20:34:34

208.26.131.27 writes:

What is the basis of Christianity found in the words of Jesus of Nazareth? Is it not love?

What is love?

What is bigotry?

If you are an average practicing Christian, you probably have no understanding of the essence of what these words truly mean. Oh, you may know the dictionary definition of the words; but that doesn't help you to live a better life, does it?

We know that a Christian is one who believes in the tenets of love and brotherhood as taught by the man Jesus. This Christian belief manifests itself as a high ideal, something to aspire to, but certainly not one to live by. For it is a fact that very few of us are capable of living such a life in this world.

A bigot is one whose psychological security is so bound up in his belief, or opinion, that he is blind and intolerant in his actions and attitudes toward others who hold a different viewpoint.

A true Christian loves, a bigot hates.

Love is of the heart and spirit. It can be found only outside the parameters of the mind. It is unconditional, everexpanding, all-encompassing, embracing others in the oneness of life. It is fearless, nonjudgmental, objective, holistic, and infinite in nature. It is the essence of the realm of God.

Hate, however, can only be found only within one's mind. It is divisive, conflicting, restrictive, intransigent, and judgmental. It is based in hypocrisy and deception. It is spread by the institutions of authority that control our thought processes. It creates the separation that puts people into groups, pitting one against the other through the medium of belief.

Hate is the essence of the realm of Hell!

Christs with Amnesia

Copyright 1995 by Raymond Karczewski

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