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TOTAL AMOUNT OF DAMAGES TO DATE
FOR FALSE ARREST AND FALSE IMPRISONMENT

February 24, 2004

$239,180,000.00
 

In Protest -- Hunger Strike Two -- DAY 22

In protest of the courts continued refusal to answer the challenge of proving jurisdiction over this living, breathing, flesh-and-blood, sentient private man of the sovereign people, I have today, February 3, 2004, apprised the Josephine County authorities that I will not take any food until the twenty-three (23) Proofs of Claim, accompanied by affidavit, submitted to Josephine County District Attorney Clay E. Johnson and the other officials of the county and State of Oregon, have been rebutted, point-by-point, and the courts have resolved this jurisdictional issue in writing as per the law.


     Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
 
 


"And the Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail"  (Was: The Deviousness of the Satanic Christian Mind and the Satanic Minions Who Serve It!!)

Date: 23 Apr 2004 07:50:42 -0700

-ammitusen-@excite.com (Ayin)wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

rk:  ayin, like any low-level, attack-motivated Satanic word-twisting disinformation agent, your compensatory, rationalizing sentiments below only demonstrate the predictable extrication of a Satanic intellect from his own self-created muck through the three pronged method of save face, tuck tail, and run like hell!!

rk:  It's time to change your name and come back with another internet handle. You see, this same pattern has been repeated for eight years by you phony yahoos operating under the cover of countless phony names. Even the most unaware of readers is beginning to catch on to your tactics.  Its rather tough to ply your Satanic word-twisting trade while standing before a Mirror of Truth, is it not?

rk:  In the past eight years, you cowardly jerks have expended a tremendous amount of time, energy and focus in order to smear discredit, and misdirect public attention away from the writings of this simple man of Truth, yet your campaign has failed to produce even a single legitimate "Contradiction in Essence" in the entire body of my writing.  If the readership of these newsgroups/forum need testimonial proof of the Truth contained in my writings, well you yahoos have provided it!  Hell, isn't it?

      Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia

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a: > there's no point to trying to hold Ray or any other messiah wanna-be to any logical standard or even the illogical standard they may set for others (but not themselves, of course).  when you've got God whispering in your holy ear you get moral carte blanch (witness the heinous actions of the "chosen people" of Israel or those of Allah's jihadists).  messiah wanna-bes don't have to follow any socially accepted behaviors ... heck!  they don't even have to follow thier own rules.  hypocrisy is part and parcel of the messiah wanna-bes imagined power structure. but see?  it's not hypocrisy ... it's "God's" will and God's will is whatever the messiah wanna-be says it is at any given moment.  Ray is ill and he won't get better until he WANTS to get better.  like a drug addict he'd have to come to a point of crisis, hit bottum before he can even begin to desire the TRUTH ... face facts ... be self honest ... be real. in the meantime he'll act out his messiah fantasies trying desparately
to make it all a reality. the more opposition he come across the more determined he'll become so if we (we satanic minions) have any sympathy at all for poor ol Ray we should, perhaps, just ignore his rantings.  gods and prophets cease to exist when ignored.


                             

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Rick Stanley's Constitutional Stand Against Tyranny

April 30, 2004:  I Invite all to listen to the sound file of Ray's Radio Talk Show Conversation with Rick Stanley and Michael Corbin regarding Rick's upcoming Felony Criminal Trial for his "Influencing  Public Officials" compliments of the Government's criminal  misapplication of the PATRIOT ACT  (12minutes, 50 seconds running time) Requires Real Audio Player:
http://www.arkenterprises.com/stan430.html

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          Resist Not Tyrannical Government
                   BOYCOTT IT!!
    Raymond Karczewski http://www.arkenterprises.com
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Good job Mr. Karczewski

Wed, 12 May 2004 01:22:38 -0400

Chris G wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

rk:  Chris, it is you who stands as an inspiration to others.

rk:   You're doing something about your plight.  Many exist in our country who helplessly bemoan their fate as they hunker down in their fearful, self-induced hypnotic paralysis and look to others to solve their problems for them.

rk:   America has become a nation of codependant wimps who talk a great deal but do little to resolve their current enslavement. Hell, most of them are too ignorant to even know that they are enslaved through the legal illusions spun by their servant goverment.

rk:  My approach to the legal fiction that is our corporate courts was so simple, it drove the judges and DA bonkers. Their entire time in all court appearances was spent in preventing one from speaking while the court engaged in satanic  misdirection and obfuscation creating legal tangents designed to elicit consent, confusion, and capitulation.

rk   I, the private man (Son of God) stood under the protection of GOD'S LAW, i.e., TRUTH. I did not budge from it. They, the court and prosecutors refused to address the issue of jurisdiction as required by their own (Man's) Law. To this day, they have not responded to the 23 proofs of claim of jurisdiction accompanied by affidavit served upon District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON and other Josephine County Officials.

rk:   I repeatedly challenged the court and District Attorney to prove that man's law superceded GOD's LAW and therefore had JURISDICTION over this, or any other LIVING BREATHING, FLESH AND BLOOD, SENTIENT NATURAL MAN unless this private man consented, contracted, and/nor voluntarily waived his Unalienable (God-Given) Rights and thereby conferred jurisdiction to the court. Nor would the prosecution in either trial produce any one who pressed a claim accompanied by affidavit against this private man claiming to be a victim and/or was harmed by my actions. In Common Law  No Victim -- No Crime!!

rk:  You see Chris, the court, being a legal fiction can only have jurisdiction over other legal fictions, corporations, persons, etc. I did not resist the Evil of Man's Law, I stood firmly under the protective Shield of Truth and merely mirrored the evil of a corrupt court system.  In a true sense, a Son of God BOYCOTTED the court through a  nonresistant stand calling for the court to prove jurisdiction. IT DID NOT, IT COULD NOT!!

rk:  This jurisdiction issue is the key to liberation from civilized man's slavery which ensues when one is legally presumed to be a surety for the debts of the En Legis, Juristic, Corporate Person whose name is registered at birth and spelled in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. 

rk:  KEEP IT SIMPLE CHRIS -- DO NOT RESIST EVIL -- BOYCOTT IT!!

    Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia
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cg:    I am intrigued and inspired by your actions and your passion for TRUTH and JUSTICE as common sense and the Word of God dictate. I understand what you mean by people can be Christ's and are Christ's with amnesia. Not Christ the Son of God de facto, but the name Christ takes on which literally means anointed one. So what you are saying is that you are an anointed one, anointed in the Truth of the LORD set free by the blood of Jesus Christ King of Kings and Lord of Lords (That's my interpretation of what you mean).

cg:    I have read many articles on your site and I'm interested in taking a stance. I am not necessarily trying to change the system (no one man can stand against that kind of power, at least not without God's help) though I do agree with you that if the multitude of this nation simply took a stand such as, not going to work etc. ( for example the truckers in California that simply left their trucks on the highway in the middle of traffic recently) then we would regain the power that we have practically handed away on a silver platter in ignorance and through trusting the only ones that actually gain from the pain of the common man through his lack of understanding of his/her GOD GIVEN RIGHTS and secondly, the rights as stated under the Constitution of the united States.

cg:    I understand your argument and I am seeking your advice in a similar (albeit different) matter. My interest is more of getting out of the State Mandated Licensing Contract as I call it, I was recently cited a speeding ticket and mind you, the officer reduced the ticket on the spot without me even asking. I was guilty of doing 45 in a 30 however he reduced it to a 39 in a 30, no lives were endangered nor was any property damaged yet he still felt I needed to be ticketed for exercising my RIGHT to LIBERTY as defined partly by several Justices as being the freedom of locomotion. I was not in a MOTOR VEHICLE traveling FOR PROFIT. The issue here is not the fine oh did I mention another $50 for not wearing a seat belt? What I'm trying to get at is I too would like to get out of the contract with the state.

cg:    The problem is though, what do I do after I release myself from the contract? I certainly don't want to make a fool of myself and I can't really afford counsel and I'm not sure I'd even find too many attorneys willing to take this kind of thing on. I too am sick of our people being fleeced by the very people we employ and elect to protect us from Tyrants and criminals. They have become the criminals and the people accept it. I could go on and on about 911 and pentagon attacks and the following legislation that has empowered our government to do whatever it pleases basically. We may not agree on all things Mr. Karczewski but I admire your balls to the wall attitude and your understanding of freedom.

cg:    Millions of people go to work everyday just to be stripped of the fruits of their labor by their government and then also by the banks which rob our people of their wealth through usury, which we have accepted (and it has torn apart families and caused children to be robbed of their parents wisdom and time to teach them what really counts in life since many have to devote the majority of their time to their "boss"). I can say that I am not in debt, I own my car (well, at least it's paid for, still have to pay a property tax on it every year so who really owns it?)

cg:    If I have to go to jail or whatever, I have time as i am unemployed. I'm not a poor me baby by any means, I just do without some things for now until I can get back on my feet. I trust in the Lord and I try to do the best I can to love Him though I fall short much of the time, I know through repentance I get better all the time. I would love to change the world but the task is not something which man can do (at least not the RIGHT kind of change).

cg:    What I CAN do though is, stop playing their games and opt out of their corrupt ways. Now that I know about licensing and the replacement of a RIGHT to a privilege upon my signature, what do I do now? By the way, I live in South Carolina just so you know. I understand the fictitious person associated with each Real person by legal names. For example, I paid my taxes this year I wrote the check out to United States Treasury (Really The Federal Reserve Inc owned by a den of vipers) anyways the check cleared and when I viewed the check, they stamped over it UNITED STATES TREASURY in all caps. Now why on earth would they do that when i wrote clearly and legibly United States Treasury in proper english. I know about the CORPORATE self and the Real self. I don't have a problem with paying fair tax but it's gotten way out of hand and the majority (it seems that way sadly) of our representatives (which hardly represent the common man) are
crooks. Wolves in sheep's clothing even. You know them by their fruits and their fruits, STINK!!!!!!

cg:    Though I have a basic understanding of these things, I lack the wisdom on how to argue it before a court. I have a jury trial set but I feel I need more time to prepare. I know your not a lawyer per se but (especially not an expert on SC statutes) but you are wise in the way you handled yourself and you are articulate in your mannerisms and I do need guidance and advice.

cg:    I appreciate all the writings that you have posted and I for one, don't think your nuts. As an American citizen and a Christian, I commend you for fighting for what is RIGHT and making those officials days much harder. Make them EARN their pay. They think just because they are STATUTE experts that adorn a sleek silky robe, that they are the supreme authority over the "SLAVES" (they seem to think they are our masters).

cg:    I for one do not wish to be a slave and I would like to keep what I earn and not forfeit it through deception over to a money hungry, blood thirsty tyrannical system we call government. Even if you don't help me I wish you the best in your endeavors and I hope your wife is doing well. Thank you for standing for something. Your efforts have not gone unnoticed.

-Chris


                             

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ACCOUTERMENTS OF EVIL:   Masks & Black Robes

By Lisa L. Heathman

My husband wanted to see the video of the "beheading" of Nick Berg, PA. After hearing of what we've done to "our" prisoners in Afghanistan/Iraq, there is a gory curiosity on his part to see who does what to whom.

From behind black outfits and masks,  young men fight for what their country demands  -- five cowards recite a speech and murder an American
citizen.

A young man from Pennsylania tries to rebuild a society, an older man in Oregon tries to rebuild our society.

The younger man had ideals, the older man had experience.

The "other government" wears masks and recite speeches, then saws a man's head away from his body; "our government" wears robes and answers to no one.  Our government answers not even to their own citizens and then convicts a man for a driving  infraction (then compounds the matter with FELONY accounts of holding the government accountable to prove their jurisdiction over a human being) . Oregon (and the rest the the nation), buried this story when it happened because is was even worse than what our "enemies" were doing to us.  Our government waited to see what "our" prisoner would do...  The "story" was  buried because our "prisoner" demanded his rights...  Let him die or we have to admit the fact that we taxpayers are as disposible as our government believes us to be.


The younger man dies while his televised murder is watched by millions; the older man who dares ask about basic American Constitutional Rights was unceremoniously dumped at an Emergency Room so there is no "civil" lawsuit for this act (jailhouse medical personnel couldn't handle the problem, yet the jail couldn't be bothered to return "our" prisoner to the state from which he was taken)...

Because of our sheepishness to take care of OURSELVES and the
"unpublicized" actions of our government, the older man has a long, drawn-out battle that Americans  have fought for since the inception of this country.  We have God-given, unalienable rights.

Who's cowards will prevail -- the black-masked men or our black-robed men?

Maybe we SHOULDN'T prevail - if we treat the older man with such disdain, what would we do to those we HATE?

We can't fix the World, but let us fix our own evil.  If you are the older man -- who will help you?

Hard question, ain't it?


                             

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Good job Mr. Karczewski

Spiritual_Pipsqueak@yahoo.com (Roymond Kookenstein) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:


rk:>>   Chris, it is you who stands as an inspiration to others.

sp:>  No, he's just another felonious kook for your commiserating pleasure.

rk:>>  You're doing something about your plight.  Many exist in
our country who helplessly bemoan their fate as they hunker down
in their fearful, self-induced hypnotic paralysis and look to
others to solve their problems for them.

sp:>  Don't forget to mention self deluded militia patriot kook types who consistently make obscene spectacles of themselves.  He's an inspiration to idiots everwhere, but no one of any discernable merit even cares about his plight, in fact, law abiding citizens everywhere are rooting for the legal system to stuff the both of you into a jar, rope the jar to an old engine block, and push the whole damn thing off a pier in some obscure west-coast toilet.

rk:>  Mighty big talk coming from a Dithered Demonic Dunce who can't even muster up enough courage to back up his libels with his own true identity. You haven't a clue as to the true image of the cowardly shadow slinker you portray on these newsgroups forums do you?

rk:>>    America has become a nation of codependant wimps

sp:>  I am the Mirror of Truth.  As you can clearly see, your wimpy codependence has been reflected back to you by the potency my spiritual mirroring.  Hell, is it not?

rk:  Hell, you can't even function without mimicking another's words can you?  That's real impotence, is it not?
 
rk:>>  My approach to the legal fiction that

sp:>  lives in your house and at one time impregnated your wife with your polluted seed (three times) is to stink up the world by constantly venting that obscene sewer beneath your nose.  Can you say "Shovels for sale?"
 
rk:>>   I, the private man (Son of God)

sp:>  You are NOT Jesus Christ, oh hellbound blasphemer.

rk: You're beating a dead horse with your repeated disinformation attempts to establish the claim that I say I am Jesus of Nazareth. I have written thousands of posts on the Internetin the last eight years. I HAVE NEVER MADE SUCH A STATEMENT!! Perhaps we can put an end to this nonsense by your producing one statement in all that time where I have made such a claim.

rk:   Haven't you heard my spiritual brother (not my lord and savior) Jesus left this plane of existence more that 2000 years ago? Only nondiscerning codependant, blind-believing, bible-thumping ignoramuses hang on the words of psychological manipulating clergy and government disinfo agents who use such distorted political and religious memories to exploit and control the ignorant masses.

rk:>>   I repeatedly <snip> No Victim -- No Crime!!

sp:>  Ah, but what of the Sheriff's deputy you blinded with your hi-beam headlights?

rk: So perhaps you will produce the evidence that such an act is actually a "crime?"

sp:>  What of the court officials you attempted to defraud with phony liens?

rk:  You've got it BASSACKWARDS, oh anonymous cowardly government/media disinformation agent.  Before this is over the American People will rise in unison to act upon the true criminals in this case -- an errant government/judicial system.  You may soon be seeing black robed pharisees and corrupt district attorneys who have treasonously spat upon their Oath of Office to protect and defend the Constitution sitting behind bars -- right where they belong. If not, the average American can see death and destruction on the streets of America followed by their boxcar ride to the concentration camps awaiting to be filled when another phony Terrorist attack triggers martial law in America.

sp:>   What of the tax-payers you are attempting to rip off of hundreds of millions of dollars?  I see millions of victims in your wake, convict.

rk:  The taxpayers always get what they deserve when they lose sight of their own sovereignty and quake in fear before their own public servants.  Land of the Free and Home of the Brave -- given the present state of the typical dumbed down consciousness of the American Citizen, that's becoming a bad joke and no one is laughing.

rk:>>  You see Chris, the court, being a legal fiction can only
have jurisdiction over other legal fictions

sp:>  Since no one is quite as adept as manufacturing legal fiction than yourself, who better to throw into a dungeon and leave for the rats?

rk:  Look into that Mirror of Truth again.  There your own questions answer themselves.

rk:>>   This jurisdiction issue is the key to liberating

sp:>  murderers, rapists, child molestors, armed robbers, arsonists, wife beaters, and the criminally insane.  Thank God your interpretation of the law has as much merit as a three dollar bill has spendability.

rk: Even the grossest of brain-dead ignoramuses ought to grasp the stretch of that base exaggeration. You do reach, don't you? 

sp:>  <cowardly anonymous sockpuppetry snipped>

sp:>  Hell, is it not?

rk: As long as you keep looking into that Mirror of Truth, YOU BET!!

            Raymond Karczewski©--A Living Christ


                             

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BOYCOTT GOVERNMENT: If One can't do Nothing, One can't do Anything

By Raymond Karczewski

How dumb is the American public or for that matter the average, conditioned, civilized world citizen regardless of what form of  government rules their daily life? 

In this humble Christ's holistic view -- PRETTY DAMNED DUMB!!

Let us cut through all of the multiple veils of Satanic Illusion which civilized man has come to rationalize as "normal" and see (actually spiritually discern for ourselves) the simple self-revelation of Truth which continues to elude the average, unaware, intellect-guided person.

America is awash in a sea of conditioned "Dithered Demonic Dunces" who, in their collective hypnotic slumber find themselves impotent to resolve the problems of their daily civilized life.

The average person is divided in their consciousness -- from others and even within him/herself. There is found no intelligence operating in such Satanic (Opposer-ruled) dualistic intellect; a realm of consciousness incapable of "holistic perception"(seeing the Big Picture) and so is condemned to a life of "managing," not "resolving," their personal and collective problems.

The average civilized man is trained to react in partiality, in confusion, not act with holistic clarity and intelligence. Tis a damning statement, is it not? 

Each of us come unto this life with a spark of Supreme Intelligence.  Then conditioning begins. For many that "spark" is extinguished through the unrelenting repetitive pressure of partial "collective thought," the "norm."

For many the spiritual sight they were born with is switched (through the demonic light switch of Intellect) into the darkness of the collective civilized realm of the "blind leading the blind." 

Millions upon millions have sold their souls for security.  They have turned away from their own Supreme Intelligence--the source of direct perception, insight and understanding. Instead they have been pressured to embrace and worship Satan, the false "god" of Intellect, the petty "god" which rules the thought-based world of man.

In their collective impotence, they seek security in the illusion of "strength in numbers" by banding together in organized groups of commiserating, soul-conflicted, equally partially-perceiving, emotionally-directed, blind and stumbling ignoramuses.  They do so in order to find the aforementioned security, comfort and fellowship. Yet they continue in their collective spiritual incapacitation through their inability to observe the divisive policies and reactions which manifest in our world as exploitation, slavery, and war. They do not SEE that the state of our human world affairs arises from such organized groups of the "blind leading the blind."

Those who have retained their spiritual intelligence can see the effect such Satanic, dithered consciousness has had upon civilized man's world through the repeatable manifestation of Hell on Earth, not only in this time of history, but throughout the bloody pages of past civilizations. 

In a Satanic dualistic system, there is only OPPOSITES:  Us and them. You and me. Dominant and submissive!  Master and slave!   Our voting system is a sham. Our (In)Justice system is a  SATANIC joke. Our usurious Federal Reserve money system enslaves us. Our public Servants see themselves as Masters. BASSACKWARDS, is it not?

The fragmented intellect which operates in the partial, can never grasp the whole.  Therefore it is incapable of understanding,  dissolving the problems which plague the civilized world of man.

I have written a great deal about BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT throughout these past years on the Internet as a means of recovering our human sovereignty.

The Satanic dualistic intellect is incapable of understanding the nontechnical problems of life. Only awareness, insight, direct holistic perception, the pristine clarity of Divine Intelligence which bypasses the intellect, is the Savior of civilized man who  remains mired in the muck of his time-bound intellect.

Pay attention, observe the reaction which arises in your consciousness to my statements of Truth.

As long as civilized man seeks to solve his nontechnical problems through a technically-oriented intellect, he is doomed to failure.  Why?  Because he can do naught but react and resist the very evil which encompasses his dualistic intellect.  Such resistance to the evil within becomes projected as the evil without.  If you can't solve your problems through anything you do that is based in resistance and conflict, why can you not see the only solution is to withdraw your personal participation, your personal energy, without which the collective insanity that is our world could not continue.

RESIST NOT EVIL -- BOYCOTT IT!

It is much too simple a solution for a complex, satanic ruled intellect to grasp, is it not?  But in a moment of clarity, SEE THE TRUTH OF IT FOR YOURSELF.  In that moment of pristine spiritual sightedness, one will see the solution to man's problems on earth. IF ONE CAN'T DO NOTHING, ONE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

The rest is up to you!!

                             Raymond Karczewski©--A Living Christ

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          Resist Not Tyrannical Government
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    Raymond Karczewski http://www.arkenterprises.com
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The Institutionalized Christian Self-Deception

Date:    May 18, 2004 4:59 AM

Bob Hamrick bhmrck@bellsouth.net wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote

Hi Raymond:

bh:>  Your website was forwarded to me by a well-intentioned person. Here's why you are partially right, but fundamentally wrong, in your perceptions of the spiritual evil with which we are all confronted today.

bh:>  1.) Your "Christ-Consciousness" is merely recycled Buddhism, a deadly seductive philosophy which, in that it is opposed to true Christianity, leads ultimately and only to the Lake of Fire.

rk:  I am neither a "Christian" nor a "Buddhist." I am a Christ.  All philosophies are SATANIC in origin and, as such, are the intellectual source of endless argument, wrangling and disagreement--as your post so aptly demonstrates.

bh:> 2.) In that your philosophy is antithetical to true Christianity and therefore fundamentally flawed, it is actually PART of what Yahweh Elohim calls "Mystery Babylon", which is Satan's "master plan" for the destruction of all mankind. In short, you are deceived.

rk:  Perhaps you will share with all that any intellectual philosophy, Christian or not, is NOT flawed.  The nature of all thought based views is SATANIC in origin, therefore bathed in the self-deception of those who hold it.

rk:  I HAVE NO PHILOSOPHY. I HOLD TO NO PHILOSOPHY. 

rk:  My consciousness is simplicity itself. I am guided by Truth, that which resonates beyond thought, beyond dualistic SATANIC thought-based philosophies. 

rk:  My position is not arguable.  Its Truth is either seen by the Spiritually Sighted or not seen, but emotionally reacted to by worldly, Satanically-conditioned blind believers.  You will note that aside from endless attacks upon this messenger, few will deal with the actual message I so simply extend on these groups/forums.  The common and usual response to my simple message of Truth has been and continues to be inordinate violent psychological reaction. I push their SATANIC buttons, buttons which drive satanic, conditioned IGNORAMUSES up the very psychological walls they have built around themselves.
Hell, isn't it? 

bh:>  3.) In that you deny Christ's message of atonement and salvation from the otherwise inescapable consequences of his fallen sin nature through our acceptance of the necessity and complete sufficiency of His sacrifice on the cross, you lie against the very real, personal Holy Spirit of the Creator God who sent His Son to pay the price demanded for your sin by the Divine justice of that God. You say that the witness of that Holy Spirit, that Christ is God, that the Bible is true, is actually false, which is the Unforgivable Sin.

rk:  What mystical "gibberish" you expound when you deign to parrot dead words of dead men who themselves were not Christ and yet dared to spread such divisive hearsay testimony.

rk:  The Bible is a only a book written by men.  Just another book. It has truth in it, but it is NOT TRUTH. It is clear that it was not written by anyone who lived in and understood the divine resonance that is Christ Consciousness.  The proof of that lies in the fact that they were merely intellectual scribes that were all bought and payed for by rich and powerful patrons ensconced in the manipulation of the masses via the venue of myth and mysticism.

rk:  Is not all worldly power traced to the SATANIC mix of religion and politics; i.e., the witchdoctor and the warrior via the Bible and the gun? 

rk:  The tools of the SATANIC trade which has enslaved the minds and bodies of ignoramuses have always been the gun and the Bible. Who can dispute that?

rk:  You see, Truth is quite simple and inarguable.  My words cannot actually be argued by anyone who has even a scintilla of spiritual sight. Look to those who attack my simple message on the Internet.  Then scour the archives and see what else they have to offer to the readers of these newsgroups.  Not much, huh?

rk:  One thing you will find is that they themselves have nothing original to offer.  Their purpose is to parrot, plagiarize, libel, divide, confuse, degrade and gossip. They play to the base nature of fallen men.  They are the disinformation henchmen hired to divert IGNORAMUSES from Truth.  Go ahead, check it out for yourself.  You  may realize that you and millions of others HAVE BEEN HAD!!

bh:>  The ultimate sin is pride. It got Lucifer, and it has you.

rk:  My, my, my, your sense of judging that of which you haven't an actual understanding is showing, is it not?  What do you actually understand of that of which you speak--"GOD", "JESUS," "LUCIFER"?  See what I mean? 

rk:  Bob, you present to all, an example of a typical religion-conditioned second-hand person.

bh:>   Let me ask you one thing: has your philosophy ever knocked you off your sofa, jerked your hands into the air over your head, caused you to sob uncontrollably, gasping for breath, as you were aware that you were in the physical presence of something incomprehensibly powerful,yet invisible and so forgiving and loving that, despite your 99th-centile ability with words, you could not frame even an approximation of the feelings until months later? No? Then I know something (and Someone) that you do not. His Name is Yahweh Elohim, and His Son was Yeshua ben Ioseph of Nazareth, now the Lamb.

rk:  NAH, never has!!  If you want to see a sea of religion-conditioned ignoramuses go bonkers because of the SATANIC hold religious charlatans have over their undiscerning Intellects, tune in to any of the hypnotic, healing spectacles on TV. They do display a ready audience of dysfunctional human beings, do they not? The question one must ask themselves is why these religious believers who place their trust in the dogma insinuated into their consciousness are SUCH PSYCHOLOGICAL BASKET CASES?!!

rk: Your statements reveal the prideful, conflicted spirit of an emotionally affected, imbalanced, civilized, religion-conditioned human being; one who can do naught but squirm and grovel before the false "god" of Intellect with its own projected dichotomy of conditioned religious imagery.  SATANIC, isn't it?

bh:>  We will pray for you.

rk:  Save your prayers.  I already SEE who you pray to!!

            Raymond Karczewski©--A Living Christ

Faithfully Yours in Christ,
Bob Hamrick
Palm Coast FL
"Exposing Satan's 'Left Behind'"
http://www.leftbehindlie.com


                             

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Raymond Do Society A Favor and Commit yourself ASAP!!

Jon_From_NC  wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Wed May 19, 2004 8:27 pm   
    
bh:>>> 1.) Your "Christ-Consciousness" is merely recycled Buddhism, a deadly seductive philosophy which, in that it is opposed to true Christianity, leads ultimately and only to the Lake of Fire.

jnc:> I agree! It is self destruction that drives these religious crazies. Religion is the exaltation of death, and loss of freedom and individuality. “Christ-Conscious” is inherently meaningless, and there is no such place as “Hell”.

rk:  jon, are you even aware that you and bob are but two peas in a pod? A Christian is a blind believer who believes there IS A GOD.  An athiest is a blind believer who believes there IS NO GOD.  You jon, an athiest don the role of a vocal spectator/commentator to that which you do not understand as it lies beyond the ken of Christian and Athiest alike. Understanding always trascends the limited, belief ridden intellect.

rk:  The discerning reader will note that the key to SATANIC influence shared by bob and jon is found in the limited realm of such opposing BELIEFS (the lazy man's truth). You two are but word-bound ignoramuses reacting to that which is clearly beyond the realm of your limited belief systems.

rk:>>  My position is not arguable. Its Truth is either seen by the Spiritually Sighted or not seen, but emotionally reacted to by worldly, Satanically-conditioned blind believers. You will note that aside from endless attacks upon this messenger, few will deal with the actual message I so simply extend on these groups/forums. The common and usual response to my simple message of Truth has been and continues to be inordinate violent psychological reaction. I push their SATANIC buttons, buttons which drive satanic, conditioned IGNORAMUSES up the very psychological walls they have built around themselves. Hell, isn't it?

jnc: > Hell? Maybe you evil pathological Christians made up hell to scare the weak-minded populace.

rk:  You mean you don't know?  And yet you speculate?  How Satanically intellectual of you!!

jnc: >  Your bizarre and evil synthesis of Scientology and Christ insanity is both INSULTING and RUDE to any with moderate to average intelligence. You Raymond are plainly neurologically defective.

rk: You assume I am a Christian.  I've already told you I am not a follower of a Christ.  I am a Christ.  Oh, by the way, I haven't read nor have I ever been a student/follower of Scientology.  So far, jon from north carolina, you're batting a 1000 in your misassumptions. Can you see the "neurologically defective" rabbit hole tangent you've created with such false premises?  Hell, isn't it?

rk:>> I am neither a "Christian" nor a "Buddhist." I am a Christ. All philosophies are SATANIC in origin and, as such, are the intellectual source of endless argument, wrangling and disagreement--as your post so aptly demonstrates.

jnc: > Definition of “Christ”: Etymology: Middle English Crist, from Old English, from Latin Christus, from Greek Christos, literally, anointed, from chriein. So Raymond are you saying you are a Messiah? Are you saying your are Jesus? Your position is no position, but more mindless rants with no inherent virtue or reason.

rk:>> The Bible is a only a book written by men. Just another book. It has truth in it, but it is NOT TRUTH. It is clear that it was not written by anyone who lived in and understood the divine resonance that is Christ Consciousness. The proof of that lies in the fact that they were merely intellectual scribes that were all bought and payed for by rich and powerful patrons ensconced in the manipulation of the masses via the venue of myth and mysticism.

jnc: >  This is my point you ARE a Scientologist.

rk: WROOOONG, you ole nondiscerning athiest you !!!  Now all that's left for you to do is to backpedal and save face?  You really are an blind IGNORAMUS who hit the ground running, aren't you?

jnc: >  So how can you be a Christian and a follower of Christ when you deny his very words? Simple: You are not a follower of Christ but a morbid power lusting seconded-hander looking to mentally and at some point in the future, physically destroy humanity with your madness.

rk:  Tsk, tsk, tsk, such grandiose fantasies you deign to project. Seems to me you're telling everyone who reads this more about yourself than you may have wished.

rk:>> Is not all worldly power traced to the SATANIC mix of religion and politics; i.e., the witchdoctor and the warrior via the Bible and the gun?

jnc: > Hegelian epistemology; good you should know it well because YOU ARE a morbid Hegelianist like all religious fanatics. I can’t dispute it, however you are doing the same thing by attack this poor soul.

rk:  Which "poor soul" do you speak of?  There's not a hair's breadth difference of belief-ridden ignorance demonstrated between you and bob, just two prideful intellectuals with opposing beliefs who haven't got their God-given awareness to discern their intellectualism is insufficient to grasp Truth which exists beyond the intellect. SATANIC, isn't it?

rk:>> One thing you will find is that they themselves have nothing original to offer. Their purpose is to parrot, plagiarize, libel, divide, confuse, degrade and gossip. They play to the base nature of fallen men. They are the disinformation henchmen hired to divert IGNORAMUSES from Truth. Go ahead, check it out for yourself. You may realize that you and millions of others HAVE BEEN HAD!!

jnc: >  Plagiarize? You crib liberally from Scientology and don’t even give that Sociopath L. Ron Hubbard any credit.

rk: Your nondiscerning intellect condemns you to jump to such wrong conclusions.  I've neither studied nor read scientology or Hubbard.  So, ask yourself jon, where do you presume to go with your baseless opinions from here? See what I mean about rabbit hole tangents?

jnc: >  Does that mean you are trying to con us also? I think so! LOL!

rk: >> Bob, you present to all, an example of a typical religion-conditioned second-hand person.

jnc: > Bob is a second-hander?? Raymond you are the most blatant second-hander I have seen posting here.

rk:  And jon, you present to all an example of a typical intellectually bound athiest.  One who impotently bounces about in blind reaction.

jnc: > Don’t worry Bob, praying to your God is worthless,

rk:  As is your worship of your own "false god" i.e., the SATANIC Intellect.  You and bob are two peas in a pod: Opposites who engage in Satanic intellectual opposition without a clue that you both serve the same master--an image bound, opposing intellect.

rk:  You two ought to serve as "poster boys" in service to SATAN (THE OPPOSER).  What strikes one as extraordinary in your  demonstration of ignorance is that neither of you HAVE A CLUE that you both are slaves to your beliefs.

jnc: >  how about the officials locking this blatantly insane individual up. Do society a favor Raymond the Madman and drop dead!

rk:  One ought not take such a tack with a simple man, a Christ, a Mirror of Truth.  You do know what you see when you look into a mirror, jon, don't you?

            Raymond Karczewski©--A Living Christ
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jnc: > ``America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.''
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Raymond Do Society A Favor and Commit yourself ASAP!!

Jon_From_NC wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Fri May 21, 2004 2:33 am

jnc: Ha!! First I am not an Atheist. You obviously don't no what atheism is. I am a functioning Deist. I am also not Satanic and am not a practicing Luciferian. You are plainly insane Raymond and I don't have time to argue with small minded creatures like you. Take your lies, your plainly evil belief system and crawl back into your cave. Learn your nomenclatures and yes you spout the same hogwash as Hubbard with your "Christ Consciousness" garbage. Why not go on Jeremy’s show and I'll debate you face to face and crush you like all the other religious lunatics I have to deal with on a day to day basis.

rk:  In the same paragraph you state "I don't have time to argue with small minded creatures like you. Take your lies, your plainly evil belief system and crawl back into your cave." You follow it with "Why not go on Jeremy’s show and I'll debate you face to face and crush you like all the other religious lunatics I have to deal with on a day to day basis"  Is that not a "contradiction in essence," clearcut evidence of a prideful, violent, judgmental, confused consciousness?

rk:  Pay attention.  You may experience a fleeting glimmer of understanding -- that is, if you are able to silence the conditioned chattering of that SATANIC intellect of yours and experience direct apprehension of what is being communicated.

rk:  ALL DUALISTIC, OPPOSING, THOUGHT-BASED BELIEFS ARE SATANIC --BAR NONE. 

rk:  The word SATAN means OPPOSER. Do not all intellects shout of its dualistic, opposing nature? 

rk:  Understand that intellectual (counterfeit) beliefs are but shabby reflections (images of a partial reality) which bind the consciousness of blind, gullible, reactionary believers. 

rk:  Labels are not the nondualistic, holistic essence of Truth which may be directly perceived through timeless insight.  Labels are SATANIC devices which are indirectly perceived by a partial, time-bound, limitedly perceiving, computer-like Intellect.  The partial can never grasp the whole.  Yet SATANICALLY-driven ignoramuses (especially prideful ones such as yourself) busily  create their own hell on earth by attacking and defending such intellectually-projected labels. 

rk:  Your rebuttal is a silly exercise in futility at best when you seek to quibble over your labels of "athiest" and "deist."  But then again, you suffer the same fate of all ignoramuses who are unable to transcend their own parochial conditioned consciousness.  Hell, isn't it?

rk:  I have written articles on the net (see website at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm ) about the appropriate place of intellect in dealing with the TECHNICAL problem we face in our daily lives.  I've also made it clear the mischief and clutter its linear, time-bound mode creates when imposing it upon the timeless (moment-based) NONTECHNICAL problems of life.

rk: Here is a simple statement which even your loud and chattery SATANIC intellect may grasp.

rk: When faced with TECHNICAL problem-solving---THINK!!

rk: When faced with NONTECHNICAL problem-solving --- BE AWARE!!

rk:  There can be no peace on earth until civilized man can wrap his COMPLEXITY-oriented intellect around such utter SIMPLICITY.

rk:  Now, jon, you may take the tack used by all prideful intellectually-driven ignoramuses and "talk through your hat" by thumping Bibles, or using the words of dead men who've only  expressed their own limited grasp of dead ideas, and use them as your own dualistic, conflicted argument because you personally understand your impotence in expressing such thoughts yourself, or you can silently be AWARE of your Intellectual limitations and grow in intelligence.

            Raymond Karczewski©--A Living Christ




                             




Raymond Do Society A Favor and Commit yourself ASAP!!

Jon_From_NC wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:
   
Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 9:37 pm 

jnc:>  Will you answer my question(s)? You called me an atheist and a "Satanically Minded". Both are false plus the fact you lied and said I order a book from you. Will you not debate me on Jeremy’s show?

rk: Bread and circuses huh?  Not much has changed in the passage of time when it comes to spiritually parasitical Satanic-ruled intellectual ignoramuses in need of stimulation.

rk:  I suggest you reread your post.  Where does a desire on your part exist to engage in honest communication with another.

rk:  Your words, your dark and conflicted energy cannot be hidden behind any civilized mask.  Your's is the energy of a spiritual vampire seeking to draw the life's energy from another through conflict, confusion and opposition. It is the very nature of a SATANIC power struggle, is it not? 

rk:   Your words reflect a spirit which reeks with compensatory impotence, violence, chaos, and ignorance.  You posts indicate that you seek to promote and sustain such SATANIC momentum both on and off the Internet.

rk:  I have long ago learned NOT to resist such evil.  Resistance only  feeds and strengthens the evil which must feed on the energy of others to exist. (See wars, politics, religions etc.)

rk: I have learned the spiritual lesson of BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT. It is this SPIRITUAL BOYCOTT which "the gates of hell" cannot prevail against.  This nonresistance (spiritual boycott or mirroring) is the Spiritual shield of protection afforded the intelligent (AWARE) individual or collective. 

rk:  SATAN, the Opposer, the conflicted dualistic essence that is the foundation of thought, is helpless when it cannot parasitically feed on another through designed coerced reactions of another. All you, jon, may  expect from your impotent attacks upon my simple message of Truth and Peace, is the mirroring of your own less than potent behavior. 

rk:  With respects to the last comment of your post, "If you are a "Christ" maybe you can perform some tricks like raising the dead!" you, like all intellectuals live and find your limited reality in your thoughts.  Thoughts are time-bound reflections which arise in the aftermoment, a reaction to the timeless, living moment of NOW.  All thoughts are of the past.  The past is a DEAD thing.  Those who live in the past are THEREFORE DEAD -- SPIRITUALLY DEAD. They are the legion of the Living Dead which comprise the great mass of the intellectually ruled.

rk:  When you understand the simple message of Truth which brings life to a dead intellect, it may be said that the spirit of Divine Intelligence has finally been resurrected and your have spiritually come alive. 

rk:  Raising the dead (spiritually dead) is really no trick.  It only appears to be so by blind and gullible computer-like Intellects which cannot break loose from its SATANIC conditioning.  Reread your comments in this post --THEY SAY IT ALL!!

          Raymond Karczewski©--A Living Christ

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jnc: > Secondly I have the ability to think and reason, and from my reasoning you are (1) Not a "Christ", (2) You are either insane, (3) Or you are a provocateur, whatever the case maybe. Unlike you, I believe in fair debate. Nothing you say here is in the realm of reality i.e. that which is real, that can be proved. Yes and those dead men are light years ahead of your sick and morbid philosophy.

jnc:  Chaos is good. With Chaos come violence, freedom, and self rule. So in essence of what you are saying you are against nature and the immutable laws of the universe. You say am "Judgmental", and your not? Your hypocrisy is insane.

rk:>>  ALL DUALISTIC, OPPOSING, THOUGHT-BASED BELIEFS ARE SATANIC --BAR NONE

jnc:> So in essence what you are saying is if I disagree with Raymond the Phony Christ’s rants and foolishness I am "Satanic". So again me listen to you mindlessly since think is evil? What hogwash!

rk:>>  The word SATAN means OPPOSER. Do not all intellects shout of its dualistic, opposing nature?

jnc:>  I agree "Satan" means adversary, the antithesis in the Hegelian dynamic. So Living Christ Ray who made man, God or Satan? The Christian God is plainly evil.

rk:>>  Understand that intellectual (counterfeit) beliefs are but shabby reflections (images of a partial reality) which bind the consciousness of blind, gullible, reactionary believers.

jnc:>  I'm not a "Believer", sorry.

rk:>>  SATANICALLY-driven ignoramuses (especially prideful ones such as you) busily create their own hell on earth by attacking and defending such intellectually-projected labels.

jnc: > See Raymond I truly think you do not posses a human mind. If I am not in the phony Christian dialectic I cannot be Satanic. You label me as a Satanist, which obviously you know nothing about. I am not a "Satanist". My life is quite happy knowing I can coexist with the universe.

rk: >> you suffer the same fate of all ignoramuses who are unable to transcend their own parochial conditioned consciousness. Hell, isn't it?

jnc:> See my statement above I am quite happy. Are you?

rk: >> There can be no peace on earth until civilized man can wrap his COMPLEXITY-oriented intellect around such utter SIMPLICITY.

jnc:>  Peace is morbid; Chaos is violent and forever changing. The universe is chaotic; therefore "Peace" can never exist. We know this from the Atomic, and sub-Atomic levels. You argument is inherently ineffective.

rk:>>  Now, Jon, you may take the tack used by all prideful Intellectually-driven ignoramuses and "talk through your hat" by thumping Bibles, or using the words of dead men who've only expressed their own limited grasp of dead ideas, and use them as your own dualistic, conflicted argument because you personally understand your impotence in expressing such thoughts yourself, or you can silently be AWARE of your Intellectual limitations and grow in intelligence.

jnc:>  First I have a 167 I.Q. If at 30 I can’t think and reason now I never will be able to. I have no impotence in expressing myself. Why don't you come on and debate me? If you are a "Christ" maybe you can perform some tricks like raising the dead!

                             



JOSEPHINE COUNTY OREGON: The Face of Oppression

Kathy L. Dean" (kathylynndean@direcway.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

May 22, 2004

   Just found this, this morning.  Anita and I have been banned from the JOSEPHINE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE bulletin board.  Interesting, since neither of us have ever posted anything on it or were even aware the board existed.

   Check out Nick Gambos' latest experience with the SHERIFF'S OFFICE at the courthouse (below). According to his wife Kathy, he's been banned from the Courthouse under threat of arrest!  The face of public service is changing to the face of public oppression.   A citizen contacting his "public servants" now finds himself damned if you do and damned if you don't -- SATANIC, isn't it?

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Subject: 05-21-04  Very Quick Update...
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I'm so tired, this is going to be quick.  I promise.
 
1.    Nick's hearing is on Monday, 23 May 2004, and since the Sheriff's Department just changed the chicken's owner, we need to see the new paperwork.
 
2.    Changing the chicken's owner would change the Incident Report, Statement to the Judge, etc.
 
3.    Nick went down to the Courthouse in Grants Pass to pick up the paperwork.
 
4.    Nick took his video camera with him since he had just received new batteries and charger and wanted to use it.
 
5.    Taking video pictures while standing on public property near a courthouse is not good idea.  Found out hard way.
 
6.    Cop immediately came out and told Nick he had a "agenda" to do something to the building like he was a terrorist, even after Nick identified himself.   Cop wrote down all information on a pad.
 
7.    Nick turns off camera and goes into courthouse to pick up paperwork.
 
8.    Four sheriff's immediately surround him and prevent him from getting near the counter.
 
9.    One of the four cops requested a fifth cop to escort Nick out.  Tall guy in a blue uniform shows up.
 
10.   The new cop agrees to help Nick, but Nick requests that the other four cops surrounding him back off.
 
11.  They refuse to back off, but the new cop that showed up assures Nick he will keep an eye on them.
 
12.  Nick gets near the paperwork he had ordered, just fingertips away, but one cop asks if that is a tape recorder he has in his hand.
 
13.  Nick said yes, but he had shown it to them when he entered, and said it was on.
 
14.  Nick hangs on for dear life since I told him if he ever loses it, he's in big trouble.   Nick assures them all it is off.   They tell Nick it is illegal to have a tape recorder in a court building.   Nick asks for those Ordinance Numbers, but no one knew, plus no signs are posted.
 
15.  Then they notice Nick's camera bag, but Nick assures them it is zipped up and off, which it is.
 
16.  It's illegal to have a camera and/or camera bag in a court building, too, but no signs are posted.
 
17.  The one cop that showed up last tells Nick to exit the building immediately before he gets a chance to grab his paperwork.
 
18.  Nick explains that he will put both his camera bag and his tape recorder in his vehicle so they can be assured he has nothing on him so he can then get his paperwork.
 
19.  The cop explains to Nick that if he is ever seen near the building, or ever tries to enter the building again, he will be arrested immediately.
 
20.  Nick phones me to say phone our lawyer.
 
21.  I then phone FBI agent we know hoping he can escort Nick back into the building to get the paperwork, but only get answering machine.
 
22.  I phone State Police and they say that and I need to phone the Sheriff.
 
23.  I phone back Nick and tell him to just do his other errands.
 
24.  I e-mail and plus leave voice message for lawyer saying we know it is illegal for Nick to not show up at the Courthouse on Monday, but he can't.
 
25.  If he shows up he will be arrested, if he doesn't show up he will be arrested.   If he shows up, he could get arrested twice.   Once for entering the building and a second time for not showing up at 1:30PM because he will be in jail.   If he just doesn't show up at 1:30PM, then he only gets arrested once, which is really the best of the two options.

                             

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Raymond Karczewski: A Man Whom Should Not Be Banned!    

Jon_From_NC North carolina, Piedmont wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net)wrote: http://www.arkenterprises.com/

jnc: > Everyone should be allowed to post their own views anywhere. In the interest of objectivity, Raymond claims he is a Christ, everyone should have full freedom to his works.

jnc: >  (jon excerpted my comments from link page http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm  rk )  "My posts have posed such a threat to the Status Quo that this web site, its bulletin board and a couple of forums are the only places on the Internet where my articles are not being blocked from appearing. They have been blocked altogether from reaching USENET and are no longer being archived by the Google, formerly DejaNews, Archives. Such is the threat posed by the content of my articles. It would seem that somebody does not want you to hear what I have to say."

rk:  Read jon's words above. Consider the Source.  There you will find the personal, civilized intellect demonstrating its inbred hypocrisy.

rk:  On a larger scale of collective hypocrisy, here a a list of organized groups/forums which have, at one time or another banned my articles from its readership. Look to the spirit of my writing, observe the organized, unrelenting opposition to it from government, media, and patriot sources alike, consider the changes occuring in our civilized world today, ask yourselves -- WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?!!

rk:  Be not deceived when you perceive the simple truth behind the attacks and bans from organized groups which exploit the ignorance of the masses.  The TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!

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Josephine County Judiciary Corruption MUST END!!


Nick, Kathy,

  It is not my intention to redirect attention away from your case but to focus public attention upon the routine corruption that governs the Josephine County Courthouse.

  They seem to be jerking you around in your case as they did with me.  What amazes me is the total apathy and indifference of the taxpayers of Josephine County to the actions of their elected officials who routinely display they have no regard for the rights of the individual, the Constitution or the LAW.

  For those who want to know the experiences one can expect to receive at the hands of the Josephine County Justice system, I invite them to read the following two links.  It summarizes my case and places the focus of public attention upon the real criminals, our josephine county judges and District Attorney. 

  For those on your list who are serious about looking into the criminal behavior of our Josephine County Judiciary System, they may have their eyes opened by the following links:

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch82.html#FACE
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm#COURTPAPERS

  There's good news and bad news attached to such revelations.

  The good news is that people will finally be awakened to how their publicly funded government really operates here in Josephine County.

  The bad news is such revelation will demand they get off their apathetic butts and do something about it.

                      Ray