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TOTAL AMOUNT OF DAMAGES TO DATE
FOR FALSE ARREST AND FALSE IMPRISONMENT

February 24, 2004

$239,180,000.00
 

In Protest -- Hunger Strike Two -- DAY 22

In protest of the courts continued refusal to answer the challenge of proving jurisdiction over this living, breathing, flesh-and-blood, sentient private man of the sovereign people, I have today, February 3, 2004, apprised the Josephine County authorities that I will not take any food until the twenty-three (23) Proofs of Claim, accompanied by affidavit, submitted to Josephine County District Attorney Clay E. Johnson and the other officials of the county and State of Oregon, have been rebutted, point-by-point, and the courts have resolved this jurisdictional issue in writing as per the law.


     Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
 
 

God is Truth -- Satan is Illusion

April 13, 2004 01:05 PM

jay wrote

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Raymond,

j: >  You ignored my question, Raymond. Is the Bible a "institutionally conditioned blind believer"?

rk:  Jay, your question presupposes that I ever claimed an inert book to be a "institutionally conditioned blind believer"  Please point to the evidence in my writing that such statement was ever made. In the meantime, I shall not argue with you over your self-projected fantasy. To do that is the very essence of "Resisting Evil."

j: >   The Bible is clear, even if you misinterpret it.

rk:  How can that which is misinterpreted BE CLEAR? A book is a book is a book is a book.  No matter how you attempt to dress it up, it is still a book. A book is a compilation of words written by men. In the Bible's case, it was a book written under the patronage and direction of powerful worldly leaders espousing a particular view, both religious and political in nature.  The power of words are Satanic (opposing) in nature, for they depend on interpretation. Through such "influenced interpretation," they divide peoples. Division is the cause of all of the worldly ills and suffering that mankind has, and continues to endure.  Wholeness is the Essence of Divine Intelligence, of Truth, of Love, of God.  Division, fragmentation, contradiction is the glitched essence of SATAN, the petty "god" of thought, of Intellect.

j: >   I'm not "institutionally conditioned" - I'm a convert to Catholicism after studying for years and being lead by the Holy Spirit to the True Church.

rk:  So you converted from one system of thought to another system of thought. Is not conversion a synonym for "institutionally conditioned"?  Are you not still immersed in such fragmenting thought, though it be superficially different?  Do you not still worship and promote the petty "god" of thought?  Are you even aware that the "god" of thought is SATAN?  You see, jay, such ignorance rules the world of blindly believing, Civilized Man.

j: >   I hope you find the way as well.

rk:  Any "way" undertaken leads searchers to the partial, never  the whole. There is no "way" that one may take to grasp the whole, the Infinite.  There is only WHAT IS, and one either sees it or does not. The whole, the Infinite, is revealed when all searching (partial interpretation) comes to an end.

j: >   But in the meantime, please explain why the Bible contradicts your position.

rk: Nice try at misdirection! Have you not understood the adage "Resist Not Evil?"

God bless,
Jay

rk:  Jay, In view of the "particular" letter-of-the-word focus of your silly, obfuscating questions posed in this communication, your "positive imaged" closure of "God bless" rings hollow at best. 

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- -- A Christ without Amnesia

                             



God is Truth -- Satan is Illusion

13 Apr 2004 06:38:53 -0700

"DW Suiter" (dwsuiter@toast.net) wrote:

Transformation by the works of God is an act of transforming the mind. It is the act of recreating the mind with truth. Particularly, to teach man what life is and how it may be lived in a certain manner.

Persons with this mind are able to develop and live in a social order free from the social problems that plague mankind.

This is achieved by knowing and following the "higher principles" of God that structure this life.

This, simply put, is the promise of God to mankind. To give mankind this life by teaching the principles that structure this life.

This is the only way man may be saved from the life he lives according to the principles of mankind that structure his social orders.

Not only now while in the physical body but when passing on from the physical body.

This, is the only "transformation" by God. The only salvation by God.

What mankind is "saved" from is the mind mankind creates by his teachings. By this mind, the atrocities occur among mankind. By this mind, the wars and murders are committed. By this mind, the many social injustices exist.

It is called "evil" which is to harm another or others.

It is caused by "sin" which is the act of believing a lie.

"Satan" is a word describing the "false accuser" of the brethren of Christ; the brethren of Christ being those having been transformed by God.

"Satanists" falsely accuse those of Christ continually because of their mind, being a creation of man and man's religions.

This is what God saves mankind from; this mind and spirit.

No, I do not "cast pearls before swine." I do not reveal all of the contents of my mind to others. Only to those who sincerely want to know God do I reveal knowledge of the way to God and the promise of God.

If a person is not sincerely seeking God and the promise of God, what I could give him would do him no good for his unbelief and insincerity stops him from acting on what I give.

It's called wisdom.

DW Suiter
Son of God



                             

 

God is Truth -- Satan is Illusion

Jay wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

j: >  So basically, Raymond, you believe that you alone have the truth? And we should simply follow your rantings?

rk:  No, not at all!  I merely place the obvious Truth right under the unaware noses of blind believers, and they will either awaken to it or not.

j:  It seems that you can offer nothing to substantiate why you are correct and I am wrong.

rk:  What is offered in our interaction, and what your present dualistic time-bound SATANIC intellect is unable to grasp, is the actual nondualistic energy of "WHAT IS" observed to be unfolding in the eternal, timeless moment of NOW. It is only a quiet, non-chattering consciousness which allows the blessed recipient to discern the difference between holistic truth and dualistic, fragmented belief.  Read your own comments.  Is it not you who has introduced the dualistic judgment of "correct" and "wrong" into this dialogue?

rk:  You may go back to my comments in this thread and/or scour the Google archives over the last eight years of writing. I challenge you to find any such preemptive, projected divisiveness arising from my keyboard. The divisiveness experienced in this and other communication is the reflection of the image which stands mirrored by a simple man of Truth, a Christ. 

rk:  Satanic intellects do not take such mirroring lightly. With lightning speed, such satanic consciousness react with their own self-damnation (their mirrored actions), rush to lay their judgment off onto the pristine Mirror of Truth which only reflect that which stands before it.  That rush to judgment is their escape from exercising self-responsibility. That rush to judgment imprisons them in the psychological cell of DENIAL.  A mirror is a mirror.  Does it not merely reflect what stands before it?

rk:  However, a favorite ploy of Satanic (Intellect) worshipping minions, oft-seen on these newsgroups and forums is the erection of a secondary distorted mirror, one which accurately depicts their present state of glitched consciousness so as to misdirect attention, twist and evade the primary, pristinely clear reflection shown by the nondualistic mirror of Truth.  Test it for yourself, place opposing mirrors facing each other.  One clear, the other smudged.  See for yourself, if it is not the smudge that is reflected, ad infinitum.   

j:  > I can know that I am following the truth, because God Himself guaranteed it in the Church. You can only hope that what you invent is correct.

rk: Jay, until you and millions of other blind believers who follow their own blind leaders, come to understand the flakey foundation of your heavily religious conditioned belief system to be SATANIC (dualistic) in nature, your spiritual life has about the same chances for spiritual survival as the proverbial snowball in the heat of hades.

rk:  The awakening to SATANIC mind control is the beginning of the Resurrection of the nondualistic Spirit of Divine Intelligence.

rk: Jay, presently your divisive religious conditioning does not allow you to see such simple Truth.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Christ Without Amnesia

God bless,
Jay



                             

 

THE DETERIORATION OF A SATANIC MIND:  (Was God is Truth -- Satan
is Illusion)

ammitusen-@excite.com (Ayin) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

13 Apr 2004 05:40:27 -0700

rk:  Note:  This is the third communication with "ayin" I draw
the reader"s attention to the rather rapid deterioration of the
communication. Check the Google Archives for alt.fan.art-bell
newsgroup.  See if you can't recognize "ayin's" style of writing
while using a host of different names.  rk

arkent3@earthlink.net (Raymond Karczewski) wrote in message
news:<407b0773.89524229@news.west.earthlink.net>...
wrote:
 
a: >> well sir ... i don't see much difference between your
reactionary, divisive intellectualisms and mine or others folks.

rk: > It comes as no surprise when the spiritually blind mistake
direct perception (spiritual mirroring) of a Christ for the
observance of their own limited judgments/prejudices.

a:  back at ya.

a: >> and i am endeavoring not to blame people for often being
stpuid.  not everyOne is a genius.  it's not very compassionate
to call the unenlightened "IGNORAMUSES".
 
rk: > Why not expose ignorance and stupidity if it's true?  One
may ask, what is your motive for endeavouring to perpetuate such
ignorance and stupidity?
 
a:  i am true exposing ignorance and stupidity ... yours.

a:  LOL what's your motive for perpetuating YOUR stupidity and
ignorance?

a: >> every child developes at thier own pace.
 
rk: > YES, and they learn by their mistakes being pointed out to
them by those who understand (Those spiritual adults who have put
away the things of Childhood).  A child is by nature ignorant.
When a child adamantly refuses to rise beyond such ignorance,
then you have STUPIDITY. Many who possess adult bodies but retain
the minds of children, precociously mimic, pretend and possess a
command of language are such spiritual children.

rk: > Immersed in fantasy, fairy tales, and blind belief, it is
impossible for spiritual children to see that it is misplaced
Intellectualism that poisons consciousness and is not the
antidote for their spiritual deadness.  
 
a:  LOL back at ya.

a: >> let me get this straight ... so are you saying that you,
because of your partial point of view, are also IGNORANT and in
the hypnotic sway of SATANIC influence? 

rk: > No sir.  You are saying that. You can only see what you can
see.  That is a fact. It is your lack of spiritual discrimination
that causes you to jump to such a judgmental conclusion.

a:  LOL again ... back at ya.

a: >> if this be the case ... how is your version of "Truth" more
valid than mine or someOne elses?
 
rk: > Wake up to the spiritual blindness that an imprisoning
Intellect binds your consciousness and the question answers
itself.  
 
a:  you've answered my question just fine. hehehehe

a: >> OR are you claiming to have the ability to view reality
from a totally objective view point and that's why you feel you
have the authority to judge "others"?

rk: > I don't make claims, I state What Is. I don't judge others
-- I MIRROR THEM. When they observe the inescapable Truth as they
perceive their reflection in the Mirror of Truth, they freak out
in self-judgment.  That is the nature of Ignorance and Stupidity
expressing itself.
 
a:   yep ... you srre do indeed mirror Ignorance and Stupidty.
if i need to see myself as stupid and ignorant all i need to so
is read your posts.

a: >> LOL you are totally dualistic ... at the very crux you
point to "OTHERS" and insult them ... call them SATANIC
IGNORAMUSES.

rk: > What is dualistic about seeing the "What IS" without the
buffer of SATANIC Intellectual interpreting it?  You don't see
that it is not what I say that disturbs you so, it is what you
hear as it is filtered through your conditioning that is so
disturbing to you!!  "Judge not lest Ye be judged."
 
a:   mirror, mirror on the wall. 
i am not disturbed at all.
i judge you, you judge me.
our face in the mirror is what we see.

a: >> somehow i don't think standing on an ego pedastal, pointing
down at your fellow humans and calling them names will bring them
(or you) enlightenment.
 
rk: > I understand that I have not yet reached the end of this
communication with you, but if you will only examine your
comments from the beginning to the end of this post you will see
that you are heavily steeped in judgement and are frantically
attempting to lay it off on another.  In your SATANIC intellect
you are merely engaged in a major struggle of opposites when
dealing with your own thoughts. "Judge not lest Ye be judged."

a:  back at ya again.

a: >> tell you what sir ... were it not for the gift of my
intellect i might still be mired in the guilt ridden,
convolutions of christianity and i thank the Supreme Whatever
that i was provided enough IQ to free myself.
 
rk: > Calling guilt by other names does not change anything, does
it?  You, like all verbally talented ignoramuses, mistake the
letter of the word for the spirit of the word.  It is this talent
for the letter of the word, along with your ignored, skewed
perception that binds you to your particular hell.

a:  **long suffering sigh*** back at ya yet again.
 
rk: > Read again your prideful, judgmental comments in this
communication and you will see you are in the same hell as when
you considered yourself a Christian -- Calling it a different
name is only a SATANIC self-deception.
 
a:  LOL sir ... just mirroring your prideful, judgemental
comments and endeavoring to show you that if i'm in hell then so
are you.  the only difference being is that i don't use the word
SATANIC to try to separate myself from my fellow humans.

a: >>  i do agree that "God" is beyond the comprehension of the
limited human mind. and i believe that in the truth of LOVE we
are ALL One spirit.
 
rk: > But such belief does not manifest in your words and
actions,  Why?  Why do you rail so when your decidedly divisive
momentum is mirrored back to you? 
 
a:  >> however ... considering the tone of your responses to
your detractors, you have as long a Way to go as any of us in
realizing the One Love of "God".
 
rk: >  Sir, you and yours go about in judgment of your
detractors. I merely mirror detractors where they stand. You
admittedly state you have "as long a Way to go as any of us in
realizing the One Love of "God" yet you continue to engage in the
very divisive activity that ensures it.  Although you do not SEE
what I am saying here, do you get a feel for the mirroring that
just took place?

a:   oh yes i do indeed SEE what you are saying here. i know you.
i have been you.  i have been so arrogant as to believe that i
and only i could see the "TRUTH",  that my relationship with
"God" was special ... more special than anyone elses so of course
i had the authority to proclaim that i know the "TRUTH" and had
the right and duty to inform "others" of thier wayward SATANIC
ways.  you mirror that arrogant, elitist, egotistical self that i
was quite accurately and frankly, i find it a rather embarrassing
that i was so much like you in the past.  which is probably why
i'm facing off with you now.  confronting my past mistakes.

a: >> well ... we'd have to define "reality" and since each
person's perception of reality is different we'd have a pretty
hard time coming to perfect agreement as to just what reality IS.
 
rk: > Talk is cheap. Theorizing about reality is not the same as
living reality. When your words and your actions are as one, you
will understand the energy you and others experience when reading
my posts.
 
a:   teehee ... what i experience when i read your posts is
sheepishness (remembering how like you i was) and chuckling
amusement.  it's a kind of grace to be able to laugh at ones own
foibles and pratfalls.

rk: > If you don't like what you hear, don't read my posts. The
simple fact is that you and other blind SATANIC (OPPOSER) ruled
minions find that to be impossible.  You have too much judgment
to work out in your present conflicted, dualistic consciousness.
I understand it.  The problem is that you don't understand the
hell created when one attempts to resolve non-technical problems
with a technically-oriented Intellect.
 
a:  back at ya (getting tedious) again.

a: >>  seems it might be your illusion that you think you know
what TRUTH is and what illusion is for everyOne when all you can
actually do is decide these "truths"for yourself.
 
rk:> Perhaps you will produce evidence where I have told others
how to live.  I merely mirror how they live.  The rest of the
story is told through their SATANIC reactions.
 
a:  LOL you don't take any responsibilty at all for your own
projection.do you?

a: >>  you sir, fail to recognize you're own contributions to the
illusion you so disparage.  you seem ignorant of the mirror you
gaze into, seeing the distortions of "others" while ignoring your
own twisting image.
 
rk: > Perhaps you will point out such distortion while being
cognizant that such distortions are not arising from your own
judgement?  In other words, don't just talk the talk, walk the
walk. It is that holistic essence which is missing in your
communications.

a:  what a silly person!  all we have here are words so all we
can do is talk. as for my walking ... you don't know what i do
with my time when i'm not here amusing myself teasing silly, self
righteous persons like yourself.

a: >>   seems to me your trying to pick the mote out of the eye
of "others" while a huge plank remains in your own eye.
 
rk: > Did you enjoy that reflection while gazing into the mirror
of Truth?  You have yet to determine who your real enemy is.
Could it be in the one whose consciousness is inextricably tied
up in "motes and planks?"

a:  LOL yes indeed i do enjoy the image you reflect!  i find the
self you reflect to be REALLY funny.  all that's missing is the
red ball nose,the neon orange hair and the big flappy shoes.
"WOWEEEEE KAZOWEEE!!boys and girls it's cartoon showtime!"
**rolls eyes**  i don't have any enemies.  do you think because
someone may disagree with me that makes them my enemy?
 
a: >>  seems that the "TRUTH" you worship is an idol of your own
making and you have decided that we (all us IGNORAMUSES) should
bend our knees to your image and ONLY your image ... of "TRUTH".
 
rk: > I ask for no such thing.  Do you have a glimmer of your own
sense of inferiority expressing itself in such a statement? 
 
a:  you're such a gas! you've been pontificatong on this thread
for days on how your KNOW the "TRUTH" and everyone else are
SATANIC IGNORAMUSES.  i think it is you who is over compensating
for a very low self esteme.  please try to believe that we, ALL
of US, are beautiful in TRUTH.

a: >> FEAR ... is a healthy part of the human survival
mechanism.  if you didn't have that fear you'd walk blithely into
the path of traffic.
 
rk: > Take that kindergarten argument and place it where it
belongs  -- in the sandbox of ignoramuses.  It certainly doesn't
belong in the context of this communication.

a:  ahhhh. so you're the authority who decides what belongs and
what does not.  what is "truth" and what is not.  who is an
ignoramuse and (of course) you are not. you sound like a spoiled
brat kindercare kid to me.

a: >>  and your consistant use of the buzz word "SATANIC" appears
to be a tactic to incite fear and through that SATANIC threat to
sway people to your point of view ie anyOne not viewing rality
from your perspective is ignorant and SATANIC.
 
rk: > My, my, my, there you go again.  Hit a nerve, did we?
Feeling inferior and fearful?
 
a:  HA!  back at ya YET again!

a: >>  again ... at the crux ... you practice what you preach
against.
 
a: >>  um sir ... you're a christian? right?
 
rk: > Whatever in the world gave you the idea that a Christ is a
 Christian?

a:  righto.  Jesus was a Jew,  not a christian.  "christians"
practice Paulism.

a: >>  you drink Jesus' blood and eat his flesh and then complain
about "other" being vampiric?  sheesh man!  look in the mirror.
you reflect the very image you despise.
 
rk: > I do not drink the blood of Jesus, nor do I eat his flesh.
See what I mean about missing the mark?
 
a:  well ... sorry about that.  since you started this thread
with a bible quote and call yourself the "A Christ Without
Amnesia" i thought there was some relationship between you and
Jesus.  oh wait!  i think i may see the problem in our
communications.  YOU'RE The Christ and i am a SATANIC IGNORAMOUS
that is failing to see YOU ... The TRUTH.  is that it?  have i
got it right?
 
    Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Christ Without Amnesia  
 

                             




THE DETERIORATION OF A SATANIC MIND:  (Was God is Truth -- Satan is Illusion)


14 Apr 2004 09:47:41 -0700

Note:  The reader may recall earlier in this thread, I mentioned that "avin's" writing style bore striking similarity to the anonymous government/media disinformation types who base themselves in the alt.fan.art-bell newsgroup.
"avin" has since come out of the closet and is now posting openly on the AFAB group.  Isn't it time America awakens to the mind control government/media disinfo operatives who operate openly and blatantly on these Internet newsgroups/forums and destroy any chance for serious interchange  from occuring?   If you think this is an exaggeration, start with any of my original posts throughout the last 8 years and see how long it takes before they are deemed unrecognizable from the original subject.  Then go to other groups and pay attention to the similar fate which awaits serious original communications.   It's time  for that Internet government/media mind control/disinformation investigation  to take place.   Without it, free-speech is destroyed, followed soon by our Constitutional Republic.

Although the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/RayNita1/petition.html  has been trashed by these same disinformation agents, sign it anyway.  It is time for AMERICANS to find their backbone and their voice and do something short of picking up a gun in bloody revolution to regain control of their government.

ARE AMERICANS SO DAMNED DUMB AND FEARFUL THAT THEY CANNOT SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL?

            Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- -- A Christ without Amnesia

-ammitusen-@excite.com (Ayin) wrote:

a:  oh now Raymond!!!  tsk tsk!  SHAME ON YOU!!! you cowardly, sneaky, dupicit, disingenuous, discourteous little turd!  here i was thinking you and i were forming a interesting (if contentious) kind of messageboard relationship and now i find you talking shit behind my back and using my conversations with you to further your inane agenda.  weren't going tell me about this new thread. were you?  didn't want to give me an oppertunity to respond.  right?  i guess i REALLY hit a nerve with my last post if you feel you have to sneak around as a guilty coward instead of responding to me upfront and honestly on our original thread.  you call yourself "A Christ Without Amnesia" ... but it seems you've forgotten a few things there oh "holy one" ... you've forgotten some ethics and it appears you've forgotten your balls too.  you're not only an arrogant messiah wanna-be but an unethical coward as well.  i'll be keeping track of you as you're obviously a USER and can't be trusted to be fair. it might be fun new hobby to follow you around the message boards harrassing you for being the rediculous character that you are.  see ya around, Raymond.

Date: 14 Apr 2004 10:44:52 -0700

a:  ahhh.  this new thread showed up here afterall.  well, you're still a duplicit, disingenous, discourteous, cowardly little turd, a totally rediculous and unethical character as well. AND a LIAR.  "Ayin" is the ONLY name i've been using on these message boards for the past year.  AND i see no response at all to my question concerning your supposed "christhood". this is just a retaliation for my hitting too close to your bone.  you give no response, answer no questions, only USE our conversation to set me up as "an example".  perhaps you don't know how to carry on a conversation without using such low brow tactics,  your poor little man. whats pathetically funny on my part is that i was actually beginning to feel something like affection for you Raymond b/c you remind me so much of my past self that i was having some compassionate moments where you're concerned.  i guess i still feel sorry for you b/c its more than obvious that you have such a long way to go before you divest yourself of your delusions of grandeur.  have you ever considered getting some professional psychiatric help?   do you have anyone close to you who loves you enough to try to induce you to get some help?  i hope so as i do detect some real intelligence in you, Raymond but sad to say, you're so twisted that it appears you've had some very bad acid trips or some other traumatic experience that has left you mentally debilitated so that your intellect is being wasted in your insanity.  Raymond,  please get some help ASAP
.

                             




THE DETERIORATION OF A SATANIC MIND: (Was God is Truth -- Satan is Illusion)

Ayin (-ammitusen-@excite.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

2004-04-16 07:16:43 PST

arkent3@earthlink.net (Raymond Karczewski) wrote in message news:<407ed2f8.4512139@news.west.earthlink.net>...

a: > awwww Raymond.  you're exhibiting yet another symptom of delusions of granduer. you're sooooooo important and your message sooooo threatening to the government that it is spying on you and sending out secret agents to discredit and garble your threads.

rk: Read my petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/RayNita1/petition.html  The complaint was filed with the FBI on Nov.2, 1997, approaching 7 years now. 

rk:  Since that date, look at the steady deterioration of our country, the loss of our freedom, the loss of our sons and daughters lives in foreign countries chasing a phantom enemy, the tyranny of a runaway, corrupt judicial system, the dismantling of our Constitution, the designation of patriotic people as Enemies of the State.  Do you actually perceive such insanity would be possible were the people of this country not operating under the hypnotic thrall of Satanic mind control?

rk:  The problem is fundamental in essence.  Most people have lost their spiritual footing, have slipped, have Fallen from Grace.  They have succumbed to the blind belief in words spoken by spiritually glitched hypocrites.  As such they have allowed themselves to be dumbed-down through their education and media, and are just too unaware to see the unfoldment of tyranny until it actually sneaks up on them and bites them in the butt.

rk:  It is only when government comes for them, singles them out knowing that because of apathy and inertia, no one will come to their aid -- only then do conditioned IGNORAMUSES GET IT!!

rk:  It is testimony to the conditioned unawareness of the average American citizen. 

rk:  I have spent these last 8 years exposing this hidden-in-plain-sight psychological assault upon the freedoms of the American People. That is the threat my writing on and off the Internet presents to the forces who would enslave us. That is why my writing draws the constant and unrelenting attention of anonymous Satanic word-twisters such as yourself.

rk:  The Truth of my words cannot be denied, it can only be obfuscated, twisted and misdirected by the likes of professional disinformation yahoos such as yourself.  You cowardly, anonymous yahoos who can only operate by slinking in the shadows of the Internet, feed the insatiable appetites of those unable to face themselves and thus are addicted to gossip, libel, fantasy and misdirection.   

a: > LOL i used to believe such nonsense too when i was a nutcase.

rk:  All the FBI has to do is conduct a publicly mandated investigation into government/media mind control activities on the Internet and release its findings to the Sovereign People.  That simple act would establish once and for all who is the "NUTCASE."  I am willing to stand up to such scrutiny, are you and your fellow shadow-dwelling disinformation cohorts equally so inclined?

a: > i believed that any moment super secret psychic spies were gonna jump out, grab me and take me away to a underground labratory in the Arizona desert. LOL LOL it's kind of exciting to be that important. huh Raymond?

rk:  The element of importance set aside, the solution is simple.  If the American public were to find their backbone and demand the investigation we would find out who is speaking Truth, would we not?

a: >  it's kind of cool to warrent that much attention and resources.  huh Raymond?  but come on Ray ... face reality.  you are, in Truth, just another poor smuck like the rest of us, getting by the best you can and probably rather lonely due to your illness. ya know Ray?

rk:  Your assessment bespeaks the quality of your consciousness, does it not?  I am not JUST LIKE YOU.  I am not like most mind-controlled, slave-minded AMERICANS. I understand and live  Sovereignty, the gift our our Creator.  It is that departure from the conditioned norm  which is so offensive to Satanic Minions who embrace the chains that bind them.

a: >  i might be able to help you if you're open to some assistance from someone who's been down a path simular to yours ... someone who has suffered the lonelilness, confusion and paranoia of being God's chosen fool.

rk:  You haven't a clue to the essence which resonates through a simple man of Truth, a Christ.  You're simply a SATANIC JERK singing to the choir composed of other SATANIC JERKS!!

a: > you can email me if you want. (no attachments though. i never open emails with attachments from strangers.)   i'm not a shrink but sometimes it helps just to talk to someone who has recovered from simular problems.

rk:  Read your comments over these last few days.  Are you so enamored with your ability to misdirect the attention of the undiscerning as to perceive one would regard your input as anything other than what it is -- a character-assassination smear campaign?!!

a: >  i admit that being "normal" is not as cool or exciting as being a messiah and that sometimes i actually miss my insanity but i'm able to Love and be Loved now.

rk:  Not very comforting when cuddling up with other cold-blooded snakes though, is it?

a: >  what's more important Ray?  you're ego driven desire to be seen as important because of some imaginary power or to be important because you're Loved?

rk:  "ayin," in this post you expose to ignoramuses everywhere the real meaning of BASSACKWARDS when applied to such "normal, civilized behavior" -- your/their behavior.  Hell, isn't it?

     Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- -- A Christ without Amnesia


                             



THE DETERIORATION OF A SATANIC MIND: (Was God is Truth -- Satan is Illusion)

Rick Stanley (rick@stanley2002.org)  www.stanley2002.org. wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Rick,

rk:   Thank you for the invitation Rick, however I won't be able to make it to Denver.  Anita's not well and requires my presence at home.  I respect what you are doing.  It needs to be done. 

rk:   In my writing, I have endeavored to shock people into the realization of the futility of engaging in partial action in dealing with governmental rule.  I have attempted to show the effectiveness of withdrawing one's energy, both psychological and financial, which supports governmental corruption and exploitation. 

rk:   In other words, I have attempted to focus gross, intellectual consciousness on the deeper aspect of Spiritual Boycott, to focus public attention upon the practical spiritual applicattion of "Resist not Evil."

rk:   It appears, however, to be TOO SUBTLE for the average mind to grasp as gross Intellectual belief systems continue to dominate their conditioned consciousness. 

rk:   The simple fact is that everything is ENERGY.  Withdrawal of energy spells death to that which is fueled by energy.

rk:   Our religious, political, economic and social systems are dependent upon such energy.  That is the nature of Satanic Power.  The antidote to such Power is the nonviolent peace of withdrawal of support.  It is an act of Love which dissolves dualistic conflict.  The witholding of one's personal energy SHALL BRING DOWN the SATANIC HOUSE OF CARDS which now threaten our FREEDOM and our way of life.  What's more, it will occur without a shot being fired in Revolution. History is rife with violent revolutions.  My Spiritual Brother Jesus attempted to bring this simple message of BOYCOTT to His contemporaries.  He failed.  Let us see if WE CAN SUCCEED where He left off.

rk:   We all know there are are more of US, the common man, the producer of wealth, than there are of THEM, the crooked lawyers, the judges, the bankers, and the bureaucrats who manipulate civilized man through transference (redistribution of wealth) of energy.  What is lacking in the mind of the average man is the holistic understanding which would free him from the hypnotic trance state which has allowed the Satanic Few to rule the many since man's Fall from Grace and descent into Civilized Hell. 

rk:   The solution has ALWAY BEEN TO WITHHOLD one's personal energy from social activities which exploit and enslave mankind.

rk:  So simple, YET THE BLIND WHO CONTINUE TO BE LED BY THE BLIND, DO NOT SEE IT!! 

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Christ without Amnesia                                  

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At 03:18 PM 4/16/04, you wrote:
STANLEY NOTE:  I have had this conversation with a zillion government disinformation agents over the years.  That is why I only "POST" to forums now, and let the government disinformation agent waste someone else's time.  They bash me without response now.  Not worth the response.  I understand why you do respond though Ray.  God bless you and the Constitutional republic we are trying to revive.  You are doing a great job Ray.  Stay the course.  Would you care to be a speaker at the Gathering in Denver and Brighton June 20, 2004? The information about the dinner is at www.stanley2002.org.  Check it out and get back to me.

Rick Stanley

rs:   Quoting Raymond Karczewski <arkent3@earthlink.net>:

THE DETERIORATION OF A SATANIC MIND: (Was God is Truth -- Satan is Illusion)


                             



Ecumenical hypocrisy rears its ugly head!!

April 18, 2004 06:00 PM

Joe Wrote:

Jay wrote:

hf wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Joe, et al:

hf: >  I hope that since you've published RK's note of Apr 18, that this is the last time we see his name, until he learns some manners.

rk:  Ah! the coercion of peer pressure rears its ugly SATANIC head.  What ever happened to open-mindedness?  Anyone see a "Contradiction in Essence" expressed by a power-oriented blind believer?

hf: >  In fairness to the rest of us who enjoy the civil exchange offerred by Deo Omnis Gloria, I think one chance is enough to raise issues so rudely on someone else's blog.

rk:  What does fairness have to do with the expression of Truth?  Such implementation of Satanic concepts merely creates the rules
by which the games of Hell are played.

hf: >  Personnally I don't really want to hear from him again unless he behaves.

rk:  Exposure of the pettiness of blind believers does not sit well with you catholic folks, does it?

YIC, HF
Posted by: HF at April 18, 2004 06:00 PM

Raymond,

j: >  You've got more hot air than anyone I know! Anyway, I edited your post since it deceptively looked like Joseph had posted it.

rk:  I don't understand how my comments looked like joe posted them.  I clearly marked the statements with the initials of the person who expressed them.

j: >  I would point out your errors, but I've already done that and it's difficult to argue with someone who believes nothing.

rk:  I have not seen where you have pointed out any errors.  Where would they be located?  Your comment regarding the difficulty of arguing with someone who believes nothing belies your own personal level of spiritual understanding.  When you chance to see the vibrational differences between belief and understanding, you will grasp the dualistic essence of argument.  Satanic, isn't it?

God bless,
Jay
Posted by: Jay at April 18, 2004 06:01 PM

j: >  Clearly Raymond you have some issues to deal with...

rk:  What would they be?  Why so vague?  Express yourself like any self-respecting Christ would.

j: >  You reference above that I am "riding on the coattails of another", yet what human being doesn't? Even Jesus constantly quoted Moses and the prophets.

rk:  Observing what others have observed and verbalizing them is clearly not the same thing as parroting or using their words or articles verbatim. 

j: >   You make the comment:

    rk: Is this the level of intelligence possessed by the average modern day conditioned Catholic? (By the way, I was born into a Catholic family, baptized into the religion, and attended 8 years of Catholic school.)

j: >  What level of intelligence are you referring to here? The statement seems to be out of context.

rk:   How is it out of context?  It merely pushes the envelope and draws you out of your conditioned belief comfort zone.

j: >  I find it a bit presumptuous that you would make the comment that you were baptized Catholic and attended 8 years of Catholic school implying that you must be an expert on matters of Catholicism...

rk:  No implication at all, just a simple statement of fact to lay a foundation for dialogue.

j: >   Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here but it appears to be a bit prideful, which is Satanic if you didn't know :-)

rk:  Yes indeed, it is a fact that you and the other limited-thinking conditioned believers have misunderstood my simple statements.  Look at the  responses which have arisen from within your group-collective Catholic consciousness.  It indeed tells the story, does it not?

j: >   Just kidding (I just noticed you seem to like that word), but seriously you should think about that.

rk:  Sorry.  I don't suffer hypocrites very well who say one thing immediately followed by "Just Kidding" in order to cover themselves both ways.

j: >  In truth, I don't see how any of the points, or lack there of, have anything to do with the context of the article. Coming to a blog and attempting to attack the character of others (i.e. questioning why one would be asking others to forgive his absence from active participation on an open dialogue blog), seems to reflect a lack of mercy and an absence of a genuine desire for Truth.

rk:  Truth is unmerciful, is it not?  If you "think" not, you don't understand what Truth is.  The question remains why do you and the others run so hard and fast in retreat from it?

j: >  As I stated above, you didn't even comment on the context of the article.

rk:  There was nothing to comment on.  The author of the article was not present to dialogue with. I was merely addressing one who uses another's words rather than his own. (Sorta like bible thumpers)

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia

In Christ,
Joe
Posted by: Joe at April 18, 2004 06:12 PM


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Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason  (CATHOLIC SITE BANS CHRIST)

Posted by Jay at April 18, 2004 11:12 PM

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

NOTE:  Although this article authored by Jay was posted on the Catholic Site:  DeoOmnisGloria.com   http://www.deoomnisgloria.com/
my response below was blocked by the webmaster and not allowed to be viewed by forum readers.  So much for religious integrity.  rk


rk:     “Our consciousness is the One consciousness of all mankind, past and present.” - - Raymond Karczewski

j:  >  As many of you know, we’ve been plagued by an odd kind of theologian on our site: one who has invented his own theology.

rk:  As opposed to blind believers following other blind believers in their collective theology, eh? The civilized world today is the culmination of such "other directed" theology which has condemned man to live out his life in a ego/self-constructed Hell on Earth.

j:  >  Based on energy, a general problem with authority, and a terrible understanding of how the mind functions, Karczewski simply invented a theology, which judging by his site hasn’t been accepted by many.

rk:  There are and always have been many more ignoramuses on earth than there were Christs.  How many accepted Jesus in His time?

j:  >  He has also unloaded a barrage of almost impenetrable hogwash on several areas of this site.

rk:  "Impenetrable" is an apt description of Truth, is it not?  "Hogwash" is merely a face-saving rationalization of one who does not understand that which he emotionally  attacks.

j:  >   So, I decided to visit his website in an attempt to see what Mr. Karczewski believes – he could never articulate an actual belief in his posts on our site.

j:  >  Here’s a sample of Mr. Karczewski’s theological insight:

rk:    “In His speaking, Christ revealed the ways to the deeper, nondualistic levels of the mind and beyond, the levels of understanding and Love. One such quote pointing to the deeper, nondualistic level of mind can be found in the statement "Except that Ye come as little children, Ye shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven." This clearly points to the fact that children have not yet been fully corrupted in their [sic] thinking (through conditioning) and are still free, honest and unencumbered in their perceptions and actions. Unfortunately, this state of grace is soon lost as the child is inexorably drawn into the thought structures of adult society.”

j:  >  In my mind, this is the perfect example of someone who developed a personal theology and then entered the Bible to find it.

rk:  So you rely upon a book in order to live Life in the Moment.  See what I mean about BASSACKWARDS?

j:  >   His mind is closed to what the Bible is actually saying, rather he goes in seeking a specific “truth” and finds any verse that might, in some obscure way, support his position.

rk:  There is Truth in the Bible, but the Bible is NOT TRUTH.

rk:  The simple fact is that when in Rome do as the Romans do.  When a Christ is on a visitor's pass to Hell, do as the Hell-bound do. USE THEIR LANGUAGE to communicate.

j:  >  The biggest problem with this modus operandi is the blindness with which you must operate – Karczewski must ignore most of the Bible if his theology is to be accepted.

rk:  The Bible is only a book.  No different than any other book written by man.  It requires the Satanic leap of logic which demands that the words of the Bible be attributed to God and not to the men who actually wrote the words.  When you can make a blind believer swallow a whopper like the immaculate conception, the believer is then living in religious "la la land" and will swallow anything.  How else do you think young boys can be turned into killers after 16 weeks of military basic training and sent off into foreign lands to kill vast numbers of people they have nothing against.  It's called MIND CONTROL!!!

j:  >  The best summary of what Raymond teaches is “dualism.” He seems to teach that “truth” is found within each of our minds.

rk:  You've got that one BASSACKWARDS, BUB!!

j:  >   But he’ll attack you personally if you don’t agree with this odd philosophy.

rk:  I've not attacked anyone on this forum or elsewhere.  I merely MIRRORED the ignorance that is rampant among blind believers.

j:  >  He suggests the mind is limited and truth is external (his philosophy is completely focused internally), but somehow if our “energy” is right we can know truth, apparently:

rk: >> If your reality is based on information gained through "outer directed" suggestion, words, and images which are impressed upon your consciousness from institutional sources you are being hypnotized. If, on the other hand, you listen or observe quietly (without interpreting what is perceived) and allow the perception to tell its story, you have stepped into the realm of understanding, the unfoldment of truth.

j:  >  To be rational, if you think you can think, rationalize, or even “observe quietly” “without interpreting” and without allowing your mind to function, you’re fooling yourself.

rk: Why are you so quick to judge that with which you are not familiar?  Such prideful judgments shall only return to bite you in the backside (as you have so proved during these recent interchanges).

j:  >   Raymond ultimately believes we are all Pavlov’s dog and society, religion, and even our parents are Pavlov in a collectivistic sense (without realizing their role, of course since they also function as Pavlov’s dog).

rk:  It is ironic that you should project onto another your own self-characterization of being like "pavlov's dog."  How else would you characterize institutionalized religious conditioning?
"Judge not lest ye be judged."  See what I mean about being bit in the backside?

j:  >   But somehow, despite the obvious efficiency of the scheme, Raymond has “uncorrupted” his “energy” and figured it all out. He alone has understood this truth. Forgive me if I don’t jump onboard the paddywagon.

rk:  You're free to do what you like -- OR ARE YOU?

j:  >  What I find most fascinating in Raymond’s writings is that he never seems to answer the basic questions.

rk:  One cannot answer basic questions for another.  To do so is to rob them of their divine Intelligence and hypnotize them through Satanic Conditioning.

j:  >   He meanders around a subject and then abruptly shifts. For example, a chapter in Journey Beyond Thought is called “What is God?” and Raymond never actually answers the question. He calls himself a “Christ with Amnesia” perhaps this is why?

rk:  What inanity you propose.  Only an ignoramus would attempt to stuff the INFINITE into a thimble, and likewise to attempt to  define God to an Intellect.

rk:  Perhaps you will produce the statement where I call myself a "Christ with Amnesia."  You only embarrass yourself with your kneejerk displays of ignorance, jay.

j:  >  He does ultimately believe in the existence of God, despite the fact that his belief structure would render this unknowable, but he does not believe in the legitimacy of the Bible:

rk:  A wise man understands and speaks from holistic resonance.  A fool speaks from partial knowledge, and stands exposed naked in his ignorance before the Mirror of Truth.

rk: >> “Can it not be seen that all of these things are of the unknown, made known only by the mind? This projected reality exists in man's mind, to this day, by way of the mind's ability to postulate. The word postulate as defined in Webster's Dictionary means; "to assume without proof to be true, real, or necessary." Go to your Bible and examine what is meant by the "Word of God" when the phrase "IN OUR IMAGE" is used in describing the creation of man. Is that use of the plural merely a limitation of language, or is it the minds of men who sought identification with an idea of something greater than they for the sake of having power over others? Using simple logic, ask yourself the question--is it more likely that man was created in the image of God, or was the thought of what GOD is-- created and defined in the image of man?”

j:  >  Which I find fascinating. Is it not possible that God communed with man and passed along this information? I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a philosophy that adamantly demands that no other being could have discovered the existence of the proposed “truth” first. It is fascinating. But to take it further, Raymond has no basis for which to proclaim his musings are “truth” – he can’t rely on an inspired book from God or a church built by God or even a heavenly vision. Raymond simply invented a religion and believes it’s so compelling in a new age, spacy kind of way that you should instantly be converted. It is an amazing act of hubris on the scale of Nietzsche. Why this isn’t “satanic” (a favorite term of his despite his apparent belief that Satan was an invention of our “dualistic minds”), I’ll never know.

rk:  Quite right jay, at the rate you're going -- You'll NEVER KNOW!!

  Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia

j:  > Ultimately Raymond Karczewski is good at one thing: invention.

God bless,
Jay


                             



Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason

From: "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:45:15 -0700
 
dws:  It is amusing, the responses to conceptual thinking not aligned with ones own thoughts. The responses to Ray's posts display the average mind created by mankind. This mind, created by man, is void and empty of truth from God. Therefore, there is no way this mind is able to relate to what truth portrays.

dws:  This mind relies on all substance used to create the mind, again, which is void of truth concerning the matters of God and the matters of the mind created by God.

dws:  Yet, this mind pretends to be qualified to speak against truth when truth is presented. Amazing, the arrogance of such a mind.

dws:  These people, being victims of fellow man, being creations of fellow man in mind and spirit, have never conceived the reality of God nor the reality of the fulfilling of the promise of God; the promise to create a new mind and spirit in mankind, using truth as the substance for this creation.

dws:  "Christ" is this creation, in a mature state of being. "Christian" is one in this way of creation, not yet mature. Far removed from the false teachings of man and his religions is this reality.

dws:  Simply because the time has now come for this rising again of the Sons of God, or the "return of Christ," and for two thousand years none have become this creation, this reality is of course met with the same rejection Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God were met with two thousand years ago.

dws:  Simply because religious teachings and dogma have not taught truth concerning this reality.

dws:  But, as with many other matters, this matter was foretold. All but the very elect have believed the lies of religion and have fallen away from the way to know God and to know the truth.

dws:  As the ancient Chinese proverb declares; "Those who say it cannot be done should not be interfering with those who are doing it."

DW Suiter
Son of God



                             



The Deviousness of the Satanic Christian Mind

Jay wrote:
http://www.deoomnisgloria.com/mt/archives/000280.html
http://www.deoomnisgloria.com/

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

rk:  NOTE:  I invite all who have any semblance of intelligence or integrity left to read the comments of Jay below.  Jay is just another one of "them thar" Christian hypocrites who control the conversations that go on over the two above-mentioned Christian forums.  Read jay's comments to "Phophit" then observe the format provided by the website for anyone interested in joining in the conversations. (The format was copied and pasted below.)

rk:  The reader will please note the reasons for jay's censoring my response to his hit piece titled "Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason"  Jay is really not much different from patriot talk show hosts/hypocrites/rabble-rousers who routinely cut people off the air then "bad-mouth" them afterwards. Only Christian hypocrites do it with more schmoozy, seductive, positive imagery.  Check out jay's style at the above two websites.  You will see what I mean.  

rk:  Jay claims to have censored my response to his hit piece in order to stop me from posting links to my website.  At the bottom of this communication, the reader will observed the  DeoOmnisGloria.com website format for anyone wishing to contribute input to dialogue.

rk:  Aside from filling out the required information for entering into dialogue, I NEVER posted any links to my website.

rk:  Perhaps now, even dumbed-down ignoramuses may see through the charade these satanic religious manipulators go through as they go about pulling the wool over the eyes of willing sheep who sit still and patiently await their turn at being fleeced by their schmoozy leadership. 

rk:  Jay is just the latest christian hypocrite to cross my path. What is extraordinary, however, is the observance of the vast ignorance of countless spectators to these groups who just ignore such blatant, in-your-face hypocrisy and continue to support these satanic doubletalkers as they themselves are shorn of their last scintilla of dignity and self-empowerment.

rk:  Face it, folks.  Some people are just PLAIN DUMB. (If you think not, then why are you losing your country?) The troubling part of it is that THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM!!

      Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia

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Jay's Statement:

Phophit,

j:  I've simply stopped Raymond from posting links to his website here - he can still show up and rant as much as he wants (we can't really stop that).

j:  The reason I say "a theology without reason" is that Raymond's points are not valid. They are all based on assumptions that are not well thought out. Raymond's theology removes any chance that he could be right; it insists that man corrupts, but Raymond is not corrupted. This is unreasonable.

j:  No, I do not think Raymond has made good points, rather I think he's simply regurgitating heresies that died out long ago.

God bless,
Jay
Posted by Jay at April 19, 2004 11:29 AM
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Articles Raymond Karczewski has participated in:
The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown: Another Cheap Shot at Catholicism
Ecumenical hypocrisy rears its ugly head!!
Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason
ABC’s Jesus and Paul by Peter Jennings


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The Deviousness of the Satanic Christian Mind and the Satanic Minions Who Serve It!!

Apr 22, 04 - 2:34 PM

Reality Check wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

rc: > How DEVIOUS of you to attack behind people's backs, Raymond

rk:   Nothing DEVIOUS about it.  The simple fact is that I file my articles/posts to Internet newsgroups/forums via as many groups as possible without violating SPAM regulations. (Yes, admittedly I'm still a lone voice in the wilderness speaking to the winds while the cacophony of Satanic dissonance overwhelms the confused and conflicted consciousness of civilized, conditioned, political and religious IGNORAMUSES.

rk:   How DEVIOUS is it for government/media disinformation agents to conduct an eight-year-long internet campaign in order to discredit a simple man of Truth? 

rk:  How DEVIOUS is it for a Satanic crew of guttersnipes who operate like a "pack of jackals" to disrupt and misdirect public attention away from simple answers to their problems, all the while hiding behind a host of phoney handles (such as "reality check)?

rk:  The simple fact is that my response to the "hit piece" in question which was censored by the webmaster of http://www.deoomnisgloria.com/ prevented its readership access to the "Bigger Picture."  Smacks of mind control, does it not?  Isn't that how the blind have traditionally been led by the blind?
         
rc: > What's the matter, can't defend yourself to the actual poster? Why spam this sh*t on scores of forums behind the guys' backs?

rk:  See above, your unfounded smear answers itself, does it not?

rc: > Because you're a DEVIOUS. LYING MIND-CONTROLLER, Ray.

rk:  "Reality Check", Show some integrity.  Show some credibility.  Let us put it to the test so all may see each in the One Light of Truth.   Why not Identify yourself, offering proof of such identity (not just another phoney name), then see if you sustain your false bravado by continuing with your present libelous/disinformation momentum.  This eight-year-long government/media disinformation campaign would end instantly, would it not?  Only cowardly, shadow-slinking, Satanic serving yahoos, such as Agent Sir Ed (Ed Wilkinson) and his cohorts who have ties to cult leaders, the intelligence community and broadcast media, and view themselves as being immune from prosecution, have the false courage to conduct such unrelenting libelous campaigns.

   Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia

rc: > SATANIC, are you not?
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ORIGINAL POST:

The Deviousness of the Satanic Christian Mind

Jay wrote:
http://www.deoomnisgloria.com/mt/archives/000280.html
http://www.deoomnisgloria.com/

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

rk:  NOTE:  I invite all who have any semblance of intelligence or integrity left to read the comments of Jay below.  Jay is just another one of "them thar" Christian hypocrites who control the conversations that go on over the two above-mentioned Christian forums.  Read jay's comments to "Phophit" then observe the format provided by the website for anyone interested in joining in the conversations. (The format was copied and pasted below.)

rk:  The reader will please note the reasons for jay's censoring my response to his hit piece titled "Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason"  Jay is really not much different from patriot talk show hosts/hypocrites/rabble-rousers who routinely cut people off the air then "bad-mouth" them afterwards. Only Christian hypocrites do it with more schmoozy, seductive, positive imagery.  Check out jay's style at the above two websites.  You will see what I mean.  

rk:  Jay claims to have censored my response to his hit piece in order to stop me from posting links to my website.  At the bottom of this communication, the reader will observed the        
DeoOmnisGloria.com website format for anyone wishing to contribute input to dialogue.

rk:  Aside from filling out the required information for entering into dialogue, I NEVER posted any links to my website.

rk:  Perhaps now, even dumbed-down ignoramuses may see through the charade these satanic religious manipulators go through as they go about pulling the wool over the eyes of willing sheep who sit still and patiently await their turn at being fleeced by their schmoozy leadership. 

rk:  Jay is just the latest christian hypocrite to cross my path. What is extraordinary, however, is the observance of the vast ignorance of countless spectators to these groups who just ignore such blatant, in-your-face hypocrisy and continue to support these satanic doubletalkers as they themselves are shorn of their last scintilla of dignity and self-empowerment.

rk:  Face it, folks.  Some people are just PLAIN DUMB. (If you think not, then why are you losing your country?) The troubling part of it is that THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM!!

      Raymond Ronald Karczewski©--A Christ Without Amnesia

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Jay's Statement:

Phophit,

j:  I've simply stopped Raymond from posting links to his website here - he can still show up and rant as much as he wants (we can't really stop that).

j:  The reason I say "a theology without reason" is that Raymond's points are not valid. They are all based on assumptions that are not well thought out. Raymond's theology removes any chance that he could be right; it insists that man corrupts, but Raymond is not corrupted. This is unreasonable.

j:  No, I do not think Raymond has made good points, rather I think he's simply regurgitating heresies that died out long ago.

God bless,
Jay
Posted by Jay at April 19, 2004 11:29 AM
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Articles Raymond Karczewski has participated in:
The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown: Another Cheap Shot at Catholicism
Ecumenical hypocrisy rears its ugly head!!
Raymond Karczewski: A theology without reason
ABC’s Jesus and Paul by Peter Jennings


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