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AMERICAN SOCIETY Is Dying Because of Textbook Mind Control Techniques!! (Was: Re: Textbook Mental Illness)

Date: 01/29/03 02:47:58 PM

Name: Argent Klausmein Email: wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

rk: NOTE: "Argent" and "Rudolph" are relatively new handles used by the same Government/Media, sponsored/supported, Internet prowling Disinformation Agents who have libeled me, my wife, and other members of my family throughout the years.

rk: These are the same sleazy, rabid, cowardly, anonymous, shadow-dwelling jackals who have stalked me on these Internet newsgroups/forums, launched repeated campaigns to have my ISP cancel my account through unfounded complaints and flooded Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Internet book store with phony book reviews in order to discredit my book "Journey Beyond Thought: Breaking the Bonds of the Conditioned Mind" -- a book THEY NEVER READ.

rk: They have attacked my reputation. They have attempted to misdirect public attention away from the simple truth of my messages. Their ability to conjure up names (see below) without offering proof of identity is just more evidence of their addiction to deception.

A quick look at Google Search Reveals:
Your search - author:Rudolph author:Underwood - did not match any documents.
Your search - author:Argent author:Klausmein - did not match any documents. No pages were found containing "klausmein".

rk: Read Klausman's reply. Compare it with my original article. Stepping on some toes, aren't I?

rk: One wonders what it is going to take to wake up Americans to show them how easily they are manipulated and are but putty in the hands of such Satanic directed mind control technicians.

rk: And you thought your loss of freedom, your sovereignty, and the sudden emergence of a collective psychologically-inculcated, fear-laden war mindset just "HAPPENS"?

rk: We will resolve our problems as a society, when we take personal responsibility for ourselves and remove the controlling cadre of insidious government/media mindcontrollers, politicians, lawyers, and greedy moneychangers from our midst.

Raymond Karczewski©

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More spiritually anemic rants from a "man" so hellbent on forcing his Satanicly Prideful Agenda down the throats of every man, woman, and child that ventures into the thorny rapefield he plows on these forums. Such vehement and venomous spite does ooze from this "Whore of the New World Order's" body, as he privately supports George W. Let it be known that Karczewski is also publishing articles under another name, Rudolph Underwood, and is claiming that he is to be God. He does not deny this, he vengefully declares himself Christ, and now he is going to promote himself to God? Karczewski will BURN IN HELL, for this terrible speil of arrogant blastphemy and bu11sh1t.

This spiritually anorexic monster can be likened to a childhood nightmare, a monster that lies in wait under a bed or in a closet. This toxic bile that he spews and sprays upon all who venture into this forum is UNFORGIVABLE. Karczewski is a TERRIBLE EXAMPLE OF HUMANITY, and an overall HORRIBLE PERSON in general. He should be crushed by shame, yet he seems to exhibit any guilt at all. Why is this?

The "alerts", "newsflashes", and "press releases" he impales upon these newsgroups contain nothing but lies, mongrel mumblings, and self defaming deceipt, yet he accuses his masterful attackers of libel? The only libel here, is that which comes out of this mentally ill psychotics mouth. He is dangerous, not only to those that rightfully correct his wrongful thinking, but to the community as well. He attacks innocents who publish corrections to his skewed thinking, and expects those on the receiving end of this vitriol to instantly agree.

Karczewski, is in my opinion, WORSHIPPING SATAN. I stand behind this FACT, with MY TRUE NAME. My reason for making such a TRUTHFUL and ENLIGHTENING statement is simple: The Holy Bible warns ALL faithful followers that ANYONE, ANYONE AT ALL, who claims to be Christ, or God, and demands a huge following with much POMP and NOISE, is the ANTICHRIST. Therefor, Karczewski's "god" is Baal, Legion, Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, the Prince of Light... Whatever the righteous man's name for him, Satan is obviously Karczewski's Angel and Master.

I urge ALL members of these forums to pray for the Necessary Reconstitution of his Polluted Soul. Although he is Profane, Sacreligious, Blastphemous, Deceitful, Spiteful, Dishonest, Incorrect, and a Terrible, Terrible person; I urge all the publishers and posters on these formus to initiate actions for a Mental Health Intervention so that he can be properly diagnosed and treated for his OBVIOUS MENTAL DEFECTS and MANY PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDERS. Time is running out, and getting him the help he so desperately needs is KEY to his own salvation.

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AMERICA: Ask Not to Save the World Until We First Learn to Save Ourselves!!

By Raymond Karczewski©

This evening I listened to President George Bush deliver his State of the Union Message to a Nation.

Has our Country gone NUTZ??? What happens to a country of formerly free men and women who find themselves unable to separate the hidden reality behind repetitive ceremonial rhetoric?

You are seeing it unfold, here and now.

Fear. Distrust of government. Uncertainty of the fate which awaits American families as a dawning of a "New World Order" threatens our American way of life.

We are being told that America is preparing for war, but against whom? Who is the enemy -- I mean, who is the real enemy? Is the enemy foreign or is it domestic?

Our loss of jobs and manufacturing base which had made America great in the past can be traced to cheaper labor forces in countries long known for their government policies of slave labor. All in the name of profit.

Our people live in fear today.

Fear of Unemployment.

Fear of Homelessness.

Fear of Crime.

Fear of disease.

Fear of getting sick and not being able to afford medical care.

Fear of abandonment by those whom we have put into political office and placed our sacred trust in.

Fear of an errant Justice system which no longer recognizes our U.S. Constitution and now deals with criticism by concerned Americans by prosecuting them as "Paper Terrorists."

Fear of attack by enemies, never fully substantiated and decisively dealt with, but who are presented to the American Public in the form of psychological shadowy images of death and destruction dangled before the collective psyche as they take turns as the pick-of-the-month, mix-and-match enemy of the American People.

Fear of the dark forces which allow for psychologically reinforced predictions of the next Terrorist Attack upon the American People, but are helpless when it comes to stopping it.

Fear of the looming spectre of Martial Law behind a policy which leaves our borders an open invitation to terrorists, yet clamps down on the Unalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness of its citizens.

The question arises -- who is this person who makes these inarguable observations?

Had you asked the question on October 31, 2001 and on April 4th, 2002 you would have found him to be the recipient of two invitations to represent the State of Oregon at the Spring National Meeting of the Chairman's Advisory Board to advise President Bush on taxation policies and the recipient of an invitation to attend the Republican National Committee's Presidential Gala 2002 See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch54.htm#HELL

Ask the question today, and he would seem to be a government declared "criminal." A survivor of a 33-day hunger strike protesting a False Arrest and False Imprisonment, and a current "target" of a "Paper Terrorist" prosecution by the State of Oregon Attorney General's office/Josephine County Oregon Government. See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch70.html#Holding

So who is he -- a concerned American who demands accountability from government or a common Criminal because he demands accountability from government?

Raymond Karczewski©
Common Law Copyright Autograph: All Rights Reserved

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!! REPOST

NOTE: Feb 10 , 2003, This is the THIRTEENTH posting of this article since Jan 29th. It is being blocked from appearing on USENET NEWSGROUPS and GOOGLE ARCHIVES. The interfering/intercepting Internet Gremlins are at it again with their selective CENSORSHIP. What is it they do not want you to know?

Raymond Karczewski

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A simple resolution to this Internet mind control issue is now at hand. Unwittingly, the attackers will have brought about the failure of their own vicious campaign.

Read the outrageous, vicious, libelous attacks below. This momentum of defamation by malicious, anonymous attackers has continued unabated on the Internet for the past eight years.

It is time for it to come to an end.

Cut, paste, and save the posts below. Then purchase and read my book "Journey Beyond Thought: Breaking the Bonds of the Conditioned Mind."

Send $7.00 + $1.50 (S&H) by check or money order to: Ark Enterprises, PO Box 1870, Cave Junction, OR 97523 (U.S. Orders only.)

Prove to yourself that Government/Media, Sponsored/Supported MIND CONTROL DISINFORMATION AGENTS exist on the Internet. Awareness of their presence and agenda(s) will set you free.

When enough readers come to understand they are daily being deceived by these shadowy figures, we can set about to clean up the Internet, our government, and our society.

The longest journey begins with the first step.

Raymond Karczewski©

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Date: 01/29/03 07:43:58 PM

Name: Freddy Jones Email:

Subject: Re: AMERICAN SOCIETY Is Dying Because of Textbook Mind Control Techniques!!

Raymond,

I have knowledge of three persons who read your "book", one of whom I knew personally. Out of respect for his wife and children, I will not mention his name, so rail all you want you sick freak. He committed suicide within hours of reading that brochure you deign to call "a book." He left a note stating that he would rather die, than occupy the same world as "the Antichrist", which we can only assume he meant you. He had never demonstrated the least of any suicidal behaviors, and was a successful computer programmer until reading your brochure. At one point he was considering running for city council to try and allocate a greater budget for the school system.

Another young man, within a day of reading it, was arrested for stalking a priest who refused to perform an excorcism on him. He has, for the past year, been confined to a group home for the chronically mentally ill, where he masturbates at least a dozen times a day, and goes off into rages about satanic pipsqueaks and dualism. His family reports that he had a promising future as an electrician until his brain was washed by your brochure.

A third person, an elderly woman, started defecating and urinating on the floors of public establishments, claiming it was her "holistic calling" to do so, that this book instructed her to share her excrement. She was finally locked up after depositing a bowel movement on the table of a Burger King, and consuming it in front of awe struck patrons. Her family has no history of mental illness, and describe her as a perfectly stable and loving mother of 2 and grandmother of 5 up until she read this brochure of yours.

These tragedies provide proof that your mental illness is contagious. If these poor people only exhibit a portion of your collective insanity, I am forced to ponder, what it must be like to be you, Raymond. You must realize by now that nature was very cruel to your parents when you were conceived.

Look at what this diseased digest has wrough upon perfectly normal people, seeking only to improve themselves. Who could have know that such misguided efforts would lead them down the road you like to call "Hell on Earth." With a record like that, I don't think I would be writing any more of these "brochures." These reports just make me wonder, how many people have gone bonkers after reading your tripe, that the public doesn't know about.

I would ask everyone that has a story about a victim of Raymond's Rants, to write about those horrors so that the community at large can be put on guard against this Satanic Minion.

Sincerely,
Freddy Jones (Which, by the way, is my real name you hipocrit)

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Date: 01/29/03 06:28:05 PM

Name: Melvin P. Arbuckle Email:

Subject: Confused, aren't you?

Upon closer examination of articles authored by these two alleged "Government/Media, sponsored/supported, Internet prowling Disinformation Agents" I have reached the following conclusions.

Argent Klausmein paints an accurate picture of Mr Karczewski's state of mind. He is somewhat dark in his critical writings, but I believe that this reflects Mr. Karczewski's darker nature. Mr. Klausmein appears to be quite knowledgable on the subjects of spirituality and phychiatry and would appear to be quite intelligent.

Rudolph Underwood, oddly enough, initiated his one and only post to this forum, praising Mr. Karczewski, yet Mr. Karczewski insists upon calling him names also. Upon further examination of Mr. Underwoods writing styles, it is identical to Mr. Karczewski, which infers Mr. Karczewski penned the Underwood article, in an attempt to make it appear that he has supporters.

This pamphlet that Mr. Karczewski alleges he penned is not available from any online distributer, thereby denying a discerning public an oportunity to delve into Mr. Karczewski's delusional and alcohol soaked rants and ravings first hand. The book reviews are probably extremely accurate and honest assessments, made by discerning experts who are simply trying to help Mr. Karczewski see his mental illness as a stepping stone in his recovery to a true spiritual awakening.

I shall pray for you, Mr. Karczewski. I am sure God put you here for a reason, even if only to serve as a bad example.

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Date: 01/29/03 10:17:00 PM

Name: Dumbass Detector Email:

Subject: Re: Re: AMERICAN SOCIETY Is Dying Because of Textbook Mind Control Techniques!!

Ha! Yeah, I have seen that tabloid magazine article he calls a book. I also saw how it made a perfectly sane man go insane, as if big ray was able to infect the very print which was wasted reproducing this work of violence. I knew a fellow who was in college working toward his Masters degree in business administration, when he came across this "yellow press" article that big ray wrote... his wife left him when he started using prostitutes and drinking constantly. He said he was a living tribute to the dualistic nature of man, while vigorously picking his nose and licking his fingers.

News Flash big ray!!! Enquiring minds DON'T want to know, at least they don't want to know anything about you, other than hearing the good news that your are back in prison where you belong. But then I suppose, you will have all of the time in the world to write your "hate literature" so you can infect the minds of other good people. Dumbass.

Re: THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!

Date: 01/30/03 04:52:27 PM

Name: Clouded Leopard Email: wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

cl: > I read the reviews posted about your books.

rk: It is clear that all but one review presently shown on the Amazon.com review page of my book "Journey Beyond Thought: Breaking the Bonds of the Conditioned Mind" are bogus as the comments made thereon bear no resemblance to the contents of the book itself.

rk: As to the one person who did in fact buy the book and actually read it, i.e. Scot Nelson, I invite all to visit the Amazon.com review page
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963839101/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-8969642-2115367?v=glance&s=books&vi=customer-reviews
and read the ACTUAL review offered by Mr. Nelson. One will plainly see that the actual piece written by him is not the phony review attributed to him by the Disinformation Hit Piece presented on this forum.

cl: > I found them to coincide with my opinion of your excessively verbose and wordy articles as posted on these forums.

rk: Why shouldn't they coincide? Bogus begets bogus!!

cl:> All you want to do is arrogantly asset that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

rk: And cowardly intellectually challenged yahoos such as yourself have made a career out of making that statement a Truism.

cl: > You are an arrogant bastard that will one day find yourself standing in God's scrutiny, where you shall be forced to realize that YOU ARE and WERE the one in the WRONG.

rk: RIGHT and WRONG are but SATANIC playthings which occupy and clutter up the confused consciousness of his "little minions." Rise above dualism and you will understand the RESURRECTION OF THE SPIRIT -- TRUTH.

cl: You dare to expect deification,

rk: I expect nothing -- I AM.

cl:> but in the end, you shall find only condemnation.

rk: Only at the hand of spiritual pipsqueaks such as yourself. What else can you possibly know but CONDEMNATION? Look at your posts. They speak for themselves.

cl: > Shut you mouth, open your mind, and accept that you are a self stroking egotist with no regard for your fellow man.

rk: If you are talking for yourself, you are correct. I have no regard for you.

cl: > Your zealous attacks on everyone that disagrees with you are offered into evidence against you.

rk: What you are observing is the reflection you cast in the Mirror of Truth. Hell, isn't it?

cl: > Once again I have you wriggling in the Crushing Grip of Reason, as you demonstrate that you are Imprisoned by Ignorance.

rk: Your *crushing grip of reason* is as impotent as you are when you compulsively attempt to project your own *Imprisonment by Ignorance* onto another.

cl: > You are back peddling up a waterfall of Righteous Correction when you should accept the advice of those of Superior Intellect.

rk: Should you have a moment of insight, you will see that I *use* Intellect, while *Intellect uses you.* A simple Truth, but one which evades prideful Intellects.

cl: > Your lesson for the day is now over, I shall be observing your behavior and grading you on your progess.

rk: WATCH OUT FOR THAT MIRROR!!!

Raymond Karczewski©

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Let man not Fall for a New World Order.
Let mankind Rise to a New World Consciousness!
Raymond Karczewski http://www.arkenterprises.com
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Subject: Tell us about Kathryn, Ray

Date: 01/31/03 08:55:32 PM

Name: Tom................................ Email: wrote:

Raymond Karczewski© (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

t: You abused your own kids so badly you haven't laid eyes on her and her siblings in decades, have you Ray?

rk: Why do you couch such libels in question form? Your technique of smearing another's reputation without possessing a scintilla of Truth to back it is wearing mighty thin indeed. Your deceptions can only find fertile ground in the corrupted minds of IGNORAMUSES who are incapable of utilizing basic discernment. You don't think much of your audience, do you?

t: Atone for your vicious and violent abuse of innocent and defenseless children. Repent for your malice and diseased dedication to harm childrren.

rk: In football terms, you've just demonstrated what is known as a "Hail Mary" pass, a desperation tactic. Time is running out for you, so you just fling out a libel and hope somebody catches it.

t: Anyone who viciously abuses children and has the long history of criminal offenses in many states that you have will not preach to anyone.

rk: Perhaps you will produce such a "long history of criminal offenses in many states."

rk: In this particular deception, you PROFESS to accomplish what the Josephine County Oregon Sheriff's office could not. In their CYA (government term for "cover your ass") attempt to support their false arrest and false imprisonment of this private man travelling lawfully on Oregon roadways while protected by his *Unalienable* and *Constitutional* Rights, they ran the full gamut of law enforcement criminal record facilities open to them and came up with NOTHING! ZIP! NADA!! -- A man with NO CRIMINAL RECORD AT ALL.

t: Tell us about Kathryn, you vicious, malicious coward.

rk: Why not back up your libel with your true name?
Then present your evidence of what you are claiming to know about my relationship with my children. Your anonymity speaks for itself -- "malicious coward" indeed!!

rk: Cowardly "Tom" continues with:

Subject: Vanity Press

Name: Tom.... Email:

t: You people do know that Ray paid to have a printer's shop copy that "pamphlet." He begged many publishers to publish him, who all laughed him out of the office. He then promptly accused them of being media disinformation agents out to silence him.

rk: Where are the facts to support such nonsense?

t: Ray went to Kinko's many years ago to get those copies made and he still can unload them, no matter how hard he begs.

rk: If you are going to continue with this baseless campaign of libel, you might even consider purchasing a copy of my book "Journey Beyond Thought: Breaking the Bonds of the Conditioned Mind," turn to the inside to discover the name of the publisher and publishing company which printed it.

rk: Kinko's? Kinko's? The only thing I know about Kinko's comes from Ed Wilkinson, one of the Government/Media Disinformation Agents/AFAB bullies and former member of the Republican Party Central Committee who operates under a host of names on this and other newsgroups/forums, who claims to have worked for "Kinko's" in Medford, Oregon. As for me, I've never done any business with Kinko's.

t: "Scott Nelson" is of course Anita. everything about this guy is fraud and malice.

rk: "Scott Nelson" is the actual name of the person who posts under the Internet handle of "Jimmy Snibbler" on alt.fan.art-bell (AFAB) and other newsgroups. He is a horticulture professor at a university in Hawaii.

rk: It has been said, it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. It's even worse to screw with a Christ. "Tom," your statement "this guy is fraud and malice" has come home to roost. Hell, Isn't It?

Raymond Karczewski©

CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS: BUSHELBASKETS and the LIGHT OF TRUTH!!

Paul wrote:

Raymond karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:54:29 -0800

Dear Sir,

I happened upon some of your postings while doing a search for Christ Conciousness. I am very curious as to the intended purpose of your posts. And what you are hoping to achieve. Though I am for the most part well aware of what you speak of with regard to the NWO and mind control etc. It is not clear from what I read as to your purpose for initiating the subject matter. If you would be so kind as to satisfy my curiosity I would be grateful.

Sincerely Paul

Paul,

One cannot render to another that which the other seeks deep within his own consciousness, especially if the other's state of consciousness is based in dualistic confusion.

Truth must be sought by oneself, and discovered for oneself. Otherwise, through the interaction of human relationship, one merely conditions another via the use of labels, words, symbols, beliefs, etc. This is the curse of all man-made religions. Conditioned blind believers are trained to worship the peripheral dualistic symbol, the icon, the word; and in their ignorance, they are caused to discard the nondualistic Essence, the Spirit, the TRUTH.

Christ Consciousness is not an idea. It is a state of consciousness which encompasses, but is not bound by ideation.

Christ Consciousness has no purpose, for it lies beyond the realm of dualism based purpose.

In Christ Consciousness, there is nothing to ACHIEVE, for is not achievement bound to the petty, limited realm of dualistic intellectual pursuits?

In Christ Consciousness, there is no "purpose for initiating;" for Christ Consciousness is timeless, therefore without beginning or end. Thus there is nothing to initiate.

Christ Consciousness merely reflects (mirrors) WHAT IS, much to the chagrin of those who are compulsively engaged in time-bound, Satanic-driven Intellectualism.

Paul, there is no short cut to Christ Consciousness when one is immersed in the peripheral dabblings of linear ideation. One must end for the OTHER to be MADE MANIFEST. When Thought ends, Christ Consciousness, i.e. Supreme Awareness, IS.

Christ Consciousness is the State of SUPREME INTELLIGENCE. It is (W)HOLISTIC (holy).

A Christ is a simple man of TRUTH.

Christ Consciousness is the State of the AWAKENED Child of God -- one who has shaken off the hypnotic trance state imposed upon and shared by all conditioned, civilized, unaware, Satanic minions.

Your query is an intellectual request which cannot be satisfied by the mere transmission of conditioning answers (that which would be recognized by you via your prior religious and secular conditioning).

Christ Consciousness is present in my web site writings. However, it is you and other "spiritual seekers" who hold the key to understanding it via the *quality* of your awareness.

Christ Consciouness is Everpresent. It has been, is now, and ever will be. It speaks to all who feel the stirring of Spiritual awakening deep within their being. It opens the eyes of the Spiritual Blind, and the ears of the Spiritually Deaf. It raises the "time-bound dead" to the moment of EVERLASTING LIFE in the ETERNAL NOW.

Your questions resonate deeply within the hearts of men in this time of human crisis. I have removed your identity and am therefore sharing this communication with all of our Spiritual Brothers and Sisters on newsgroups, forums, and my Website Bulletin Board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

One must never hide the light of Truth under a bushelbasket!!

Raymond Karczewski©

When CHRIST Speaks, SATAN Listens!!

Note: The following is evidence of what occurs when the words of a Christ, a simple man of Truth, are heard by the Satanic forces which rule the world.

Although the sampling is taken from the last few weeks on these Internet newsgroups/forums, this is the Government/Media sponsored/supported mind control agenda I have been writing about for years.

My purpose has been to expose this operation to each and every one of you who is reading this. NO ONE IS EXEMPT from such targeted attacks. NO ONE!!!

When they focus on you, WHAT WILL YOU DO?

Raymond Karczewski

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Date: 02/1/03 03:46:02 AM

Name: Argent Klausmein Email:

Subject: Another Monumental Tribute to Arrogance

Here is a man (Paul) who is sincerely seeking a path to better himself by improving his spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ. The only mistake he made was in contacting Karczewski, because little did Paul realize, Karczewski is an Internet Boogie Man... A Predator.

Paul, what Raymond hopes to achieve, is to incite a violent revolution against the U.S. Government because he was convicted of Driving Without a Valid Driver's License and Driving Without Insurance. He HATES America, the State of Oregon, and Josephine County, and seeks ways to punish ANYONE and EVERYONE that does not concur with his malicious rhetoric. He suffers Severe Spiritual Anemia and Profound Mental Illness, and his whole projection of "Christ Conciousness" was started in a sanctomonious attempt to tell the legal community in Josephine County, that they all were going to Hell for requiring him to have a license and insurance to drive.

The astute, discerning reader will instantly note that Karczewski just told Paul that he had no intention of even trying to explain to him what he hopes to accomplish, what Christ Conciousness is, or what the NWO has to do with it.

Karczewski, you should be ashamed of yourself! You have no more respect for human life than an exploding volcano! For all your quasi-intellectual drivel, when someone finally does approach you with a valid, sincere question, you belay him with bu11sh1t. Why don't you answer his question? Simple: Because YOU DON'T KNOW. Hopefully, Paul now realizes that you are a Garden Variety Troll, that panders a mock religion for a tax

Tell him that you are Christ, Karczewski. Tell him. Tell him about that cultic hoax of a church you claim so many wanted you to start... what did you call it? Oh, yes, how could I forget? "The Holist Church of the Truthful Cross." Go ahead and tell him that you expect to be granted a godhood. Tell him about your "bible" that you are supposedly writing.

If you are writing a bible, let me tell you who your collaborator is: It is Lucifer. Anyone who claims to be Christ is in fact, the Antichrist. It says so in the Holy Bible, the True Holy Bible. The literary garbage he has strewn across the mailboxes and inboxes of America is some of the most confusing, sick, perverted ideals to have ever plagued mankind.

Paul, the proof is right here in this forum. The man is insane. Don't trust him, don't trust what he says, and whatever you do, DON'T GIVE HIM CONTACT INFORMATION!!! He is a dangerous, sick man, who prowls the shadows of the internet waiting for the unsuspecting surfer. He also posts under a variety of Anonymous Handles such as Rudolph Underwood, so don't be fooled. Look elsewhere for you spiritual guidance, for Karczewski's philosophy is simply a deification of himself through as much pomp and noise as he can muster.

Some advice to follow when seeking spiritual guidance: Investigate the individual or group thoroughly. Inspect their literatur and insure that they are not sanctimoniously condemning opposing view points or acting in a closed minded manner. Your true heart will allow you to see these Internet Predators, these Boogie Men for what they are if you listen to it.

The best of luck to you, sir.

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Date: 02/1/03 05:05:36 AM

Name: Clouded Leopard Email:

Subject: Raymond Karczewski: The Blind Man's Bluff

Raymond Karczewski: The Blind Man's Bluff
by Clouded Leopard

rk: One cannot render to another that which the other seeks deep within his own consciousness, especially if the other's state of consciousness is based in dualistic confusion.

CL: In other words, Raymond Karczewski refuses to condescend to explain his tripe. You are dualistic and he will not associate with you. As a matter of fact, when he becomes God, you will go to Hell.

rk: Truth must be sought by oneself, and discovered for oneself. Otherwise, through the interaction of human relationship, one merely conditions another via the use of labels, words, symbols, beliefs, etc. This is the curse of all man-made religions. Conditioned blind believers are trained to worship the peripheral dualistic symbol, the icon, the word; and in their ignorance, they are caused to discard the nondualistic Essence, the Spirit, the TRUTH.

CL: What he is really saying is that you should expect no help from him. What this really means is that he has no idea how to respond. As a self proclaimed Messiah, you would think he would try to back his misguided allegations with some facts, but then again, too much rum, makeths a drunken Ray.

rk: Christ Consciousness is not an idea. It is a state of consciousness which encompasses, but is not bound by ideation.

CL: Translated, this is double talk for "I ain't got no idear what uma talkin' bout"

rk: Christ Consciousness has no purpose, for it lies beyond the realm of dualism based purpose.

CL: Even Raymond Karczewski has a purpose. He is a bad example. His crass, loutish behavior is demonstrative of the blowhard inside us all, and by observing his boisterous and pompous posts, we are presented with a lesson in "how not to be."

rk: In Christ Consciousness, there is nothing to ACHIEVE, for is not achievement bound to the petty, limited realm of dualistic intellectual pursuits?

CL: If you think, you will see Raymond Karczewski for what he is, a shadow dwelling hypocrit that makes a lot of noise, but never says much of anything. His greatest achievement to date is to write up a sales flyer that advertises his perverted religious cult.

rk: In Christ Consciousness, there is no "purpose for initiating;" for Christ Consciousness is timeless, therefore without beginning or end. Thus there is nothing to initiate.

CL: What he is really saying, is that he has not one foggy idea about what he is talking about. This linquistic juggling act is characteristic of his "meat puppet" personality. We have all concluded that the Devil is pulling the strings of this particular puppet.

rk: Christ Consciousness merely reflects (mirrors) WHAT IS, much to the chagrin of those who are compulsively engaged in time-bound, Satanic-driven Intellectualism.

CL: Don't think. If you think, then you will come to realize that Raymond Karczewski is full of sh1t, then he will be forced to transform you into a Government Media Disinformation Agent, or a CIA agent that steals gravel from his driveway while driving a Stealth Truck. He will then present you with his Impotent Mirror of Truth, and thereby grant you an oportunity to shatter it with your righteousness. Believe me, it isn't hard to do.

rk: Paul, there is no short cut to Christ Consciousness when one is immersed in the peripheral dabblings of linear ideation. One must end for the OTHER to be MADE MANIFEST. When Thought ends, Christ Consciousness, i.e. Supreme Awareness, IS.

CL: Again, Don't Think!!! Accept Raymond Karczewski as your Overlord, Mentor, and God. He knows best, and while you are at it, reach deep in to your heart, and deeeeeeep in to your pockets, and GIVE TO HIM!!! Even a god requires money to keep his cult well funded. He goes to Las Vegas once a month to gamble away his welfare check, so every extra bit helps.

rk: Christ Consciousness is the State of SUPREME INTELLIGENCE. It is (W)HOLISTIC (holy).

CL: Raymond Karczewski would have the reader believe that he knows it all. That he possesses supreme intelligence, but all he really has is Supreme Belligerence. He is not holy, but spiritually he is full of holes... not to mention hot air and bu11sh1t.

rk: A Christ is a simple man of TRUTH.

CL: Let me repeat what Raymond Karczewski, Satanicly refuses to accept: Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

rk: Christ Consciousness is the State of the AWAKENED Child of God -- one who has shaken off the hypnotic trance state imposed upon and shared by all conditioned, civilized, unaware, Satanic minions.

CL: The only person entrenched in a hypnotic trance is Raymond Karczewski. Whatever drugs his phychiatrist has him on must be really good, because he just goes on and on and on about whatever rattles around in his foggy mind.

rk: Your query is an intellectual request which cannot be satisfied by the mere transmission of conditioning answers (that which would be recognized by you via your prior religious and secular conditioning).

CL: As long as you ask Raymond Karczewski for his opinion, you can't go wrong, but there are six billion Satanic Spiritual Pipsqueaks who do not worship him. They will "suffer his awful wrath" soon enough, though, for he hath written it. Hell, isn't it?

rk: Christ Consciousness is present in my web site writings. However, it is you and other "spiritual seekers" who hold the key to understanding it via the *quality* of your awareness.

CL: Raymond Karczewski knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake! He is your judge, and he will "Mirror" you if you disagree with him. This is because he wants to reflect criticisms away, like they never happened. He lives in a sleepy drug induced dream world where everyone worships Raymond.

rk: Christ Consciouness is Everpresent. It has been, is now, and ever will be. It speaks to all who feel the stirring of Spiritual awakening deep within their being. It opens the eyes of the Spiritual Blind, and the ears of the Spiritually Deaf. It raises the "time-bound dead" to the moment of EVERLASTING LIFE in the ETERNAL NOW.

CL: Raymond has created his own biblical game called Trivial Pursuit. It is all about his life, and is chock full of questions anout Raymond's mental illness, otherwise known as Karczewski's disease.

rk: Your questions resonate deeply within the hearts of men in this time of human crisis. I have removed your identity and am therefore sharing this communication with all of our Spiritual Brothers and Sisters on newsgroups, forums, and my Website Bulletin Board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

CL: See him jerk around like a drunken monkey, a drugged up meat puppet, as he treats all those who write to him with equal disdain and condescention. Perhaps you will even capture a glimpse of his latest literary work, his "bathroom book" bible. Raymond is going to be God soon, or didn't you know?

rk: One must never hide the light of Truth under a bushelbasket!!

CL: Raymond Karczewski's path to the truth is no different from receiving a barium enema as a treatment for tooth decay. He wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit him on his big fat a55.

    by Clouded Leopard
    Creative Criticisms for Raymond Karczewski
    Creative Solutions for a Better Internet
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Date: 02/1/03 04:03:03 PM

Name: Proud American Email:

Subject: Blah blah blah blah

Poor Paul. His misdirected search for higher enlightenment has caused him to happen upon a lunatics ramblings. I pray he finds his way to someone with real answers and a willingness to help his fellow man.

As for Raymond's ramblings... blah blah blah blah blah. The bleating of sheep contains more expert coherency.

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Date: 01/31/03 03:40:28 PM

Name: Proud American Email:

Subject: Re: Re: Biblical Proof: Ray is the Antichrist

As an intelligent individual, I have compared this Underwood article to the many, many, Raymond Rants that have been shamelessly shoved onto these forums and newsgroups, and have DISCERNED that Raymond thinks he is God, which means he is going to Hell.

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Date: 01/31/03 03:49:52 PM

Name: Proud American Email:

Subject: Re: ANITA !!!

Since the record shows that Raymond uses ANONYMOUS INTERNET HANDLES, how is it surprising that he would lay all this off on his wife and kids? His wife is probably deathly afraid of him, which means she is most likely ORDERED to join in and support him as he is continuously lampooned on these forums. His children were lucky enough to survive having him for a father, which would explain why they haven't seen "dear old dad" in ages.
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Date: 01/31/03 04:12:33 PM

Name: Proud American Email:

Subject: Re: Re: Tell us about Kathryn, Ray

You said "It has been said, it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. It's even worse to screw with a Christ."

Clouded Leopard said "Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

I say, "Hell, isn't it?"

You said "'Tom,' your statement "this guy is fraud and malice" has come home to roost. Hell, Isn't It?"

I say "Come home to roost? And I suppose you are the rooster? You must be because you keep crowing, hoping someone will buy into this crap you spout. Hell, isn't it?"
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Date: 01/31/03 04:02:51 PM

Name: Proud American Email:

Subject: Re: THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!

The TRUTH?!! What do you know about the truth?!! Did you not bother to read the reviews posted about your flier or did you just jump to a misinformed conclusion... as usual? According you some of the posts on this forum, your "vanity flier" presents a hazard to the reader.

Perhaps the EPA should declare your "vanity flier" pollution. Moron.

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Date: 01/31/03 11:41:09 AM

Name: Clouded Leopard Email:

Subject: Biblical Proof: Ray is the Antichrist

rk: It has been said, it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. It's even worse to screw with a Christ.

CL: Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

CL: You are the Antichrist, and are hungry for the souls of naive ignoramuses. My Omnipotent Mirror of Truth exposes you for the Boogie Man that you are. Hell, isn't it? How does it feel to be held wriggling within the Crushing Grip of Reason? How does it feel to be publicly exposed? Being Imprisoned by Ignorance is Hell, isn't it?

CL: Get thee behind me Satan!

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From: Agent Sir Ed (agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: AMERICA: Ask Not to Save the
World Until We First Learn to Save Ourselves!!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: 2003-01-30 16:54:14 PST

"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message news:<374h3v8kkrhn6vso7rvvqpth9kldqvfo52@4ax.com>...
On 28 Jan 2003 22:01:22 -0800, kazoo@KookEnterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:

AMERICA: <silly bilgewash snipped>

You could have saved yourself a lot of anguish, and 33 days in the lockup, if you had paid your ticket, instead of being a dickhead about it. It was probably only $40 to start with.
--
V.G.

The kazoo may have lucked out...Oregonians voted down Measure 28 and now the state's shutting down a lot of their law enforcement and judicial processes.

They've announced that a lot of police, ADA's and investigators will be laid off. It's pure politics, in my opinion--the state surely can find better ways to reduce spending than shutting down libraries, schools and law enforcement. But that's what happens when the masses are audacious enough to vote against tax increases.

But one effect, for the kazoo at least, is that they may not pursue him until they catch him driving to the casinos again, and with one third of the state troopers being laid off, that may take a long time!

Although the kazoo DID take the seemingly "paper terrorist" action of filing liens against a bunch of people (including HIMSELF, strangely enough!! That's right, if you go to the Secretary of State's page where the liens are filed, you'll find that the kazoo has filed liens against HIMSELF! Oh well, lunatics are prone to lunatic behavior!) so that may lead LEO's to continue to investigate him.

Agent Sir Ed
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Date: 01/30/03 04:52:27 PM

Name: Clouded Leopard Email:

Subject: Re: THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!

I read the reviews posted about your books. I found them to coincide with my opinion of your excessively verbose and wordy articles as posted on these forums. All you want to do is arrogantly asset that you are right and everyone else is wrong. You are an arrogant bastard that will one day find yourself standing in God's scrutiny, where you shall be forced to realize that YOU ARE and WERE the one in the WRONG. You dare to expect deification, but in the end, you shall find only condemnation. Shut you mouth, open your mind, and accept that you are a self stroking egotist with no regard for your fellow man. Your zealous attacks on everyone that disagrees with you are offered into evidence against you.

Once again I have you wriggling in the Crushing Grip of Reason, as you demonstrate that you are Imprisoned by Ignorance. You are back peddling up a waterfall of Righteous Correction when you should accept the advice of those of Superior Intellect. Your lesson for the day is now over, I shall be observing your behavior and grading you on your progess.

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Date: 01/30/03 09:23:14 AM

Name: Public Enemy Email:

Subject: Shut your pie hole, you 2 bit hoodlum!

Big Ray is a crook! He is ripping off the taxpayers!

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Date: 01/29/03 06:28:05 PM

Name: Melvin P. Arbuckle Email:

Subject: Confused, aren't you?

Upon closer examination of articles authored by these two alleged "Government/Media, sponsored/supported, Internet prowling Disinformation Agents" I have reached the following conclusions.

Argent Klausmein paints an accurate picture of Mr Karczewski's state of mind. He is somewhat dark in his critical writings, but I believe that this reflects Mr.Karczewski's darker nature. Mr. Klausmein appears to be quite knowledgable on the subjects of spirituality and phychiatry and would appear to be quite intelligent.

Rudolph Underwood, oddly enough, initiated his one and only post to this forum, praising Mr. Karczewski, yet Mr. Karczewski insists upon calling him names also. Upon further examination of Mr. Underwoods writing styles, it is identical to Mr.Karczewski, which infers Mr. Karczewski penned the Underwood article, in an attempt to make it appear that he has supporters.

I shall pray for you, Mr. Karczewski. I am sure God put you here for a reason, even if only to serve as a bad example.

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Date: 01/29/03 07:43:58 PM

Name: Freddy Jones Email:

Subject: Re: AMERICAN SOCIETY Is Dying Because of Textbook Mind Control Techniques!!

Raymond,

I would ask everyone that has a story about a victim of Raymond's Rants, to write about those horrors so that the community at large can be put on guard against this Satanic Minion.

Sincerely,
Freddy Jones (Which, by the way, is my real name you hipocrit)

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Date: 01/29/03 05:17:47 PM

Name: the Philosopher Email:

Subject: Re: AMERICA: Ask Not to Save the World Until We First Learn to Save Ourselves!

You said "I listened". Since when have you ever listened? You make a lot of noise and nobody can hear anything during through the din. You care not for the opinions of the proper citizen of this great nation, and as others have alleged, your failure to overturn a traffic court conviction has you whining about wanting to overthrow our government.

You said "formerly free". I am free. My neighbor is free. My friends are free. Even my enemies are free. It is apparent that YOU are the only slave here. You limit your own freedom by being a fugative from justice. As a wanted, convicted criminal, you don't deserve freedom. As a matter of fact, you belong in prison.

You said "Hidden reality behind repetitive ceremonial rhetoric". As if the lies you publish are any less deceitful than the lies politicians tell to get elected. And repetitive, every thing you say is repeticious. The same thing OVER and OVER and OVER again.

You said "Our people live in fear today". You live in fear, the rest of the world continues to go to work, raise their families, and tend to their personal affairs. The only fearful coward I see is you.

You said "Who is the real enemy". The answer is so simple, it is crystalized with confirmation when I inform you that you, Ray Karczewski, are the enemy. You are the enemy of peace and tranquility. You're only motive for criticizing the federal government stems from your massive failure to have your county criminal record

You said "Paper terrorists". This is an accurate label with which you have been dubbed. You are worse than the two bit ambulance chasing shysters that help raging fatasses sue fast food for their clients lack of disipline. Every time you open your mouth or dispatch a post to a forum, the message you send is filled with hate, libel, falsehoods, and threats.

You said "Survivor of a 33 day hunger strike". You were not a victim. You chose to embark upon that journey into the antithesis of lucidity yourself. Your sick desire to gain attention, you are nothing more than a little boy who holds his breath until his face turns red.

And let me just remark upon your postings under another name: YOU ARE A DECEIT FILLED HYPOCRIT. You actually sounded serious when you claimed that you were destined to be a god, and that you would punish your critics. Do you actually believe this? You belong in the most primative nut hatch the public has to offer, namely, the stereotypical state mental hospital, where you should be drugged for life and forced to watch television shows of people posting to internet forums, but denied access to the internet yourself. Several others have called you a "monster" and a "booger man" and I am forced to agree with this truthful and accurate assessment of your base nature.

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Date: 01/30/03 01:01:49 AM

Name: Real Patriot Email:

Subject: Completely delusional

I checked out your claims about being invited by Bush to participate in various functions, and you are obviously lying or completely delusional. Not one scrap of what you posted on your site was made by anyone but you. Obviously.

Get to a psyhiatrist.
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Date: 01/29/03 12:58:45 AM

Name: Proud American Email:

Subject: Re: AMERICA: Ask Not to Save the World Until We First Learn to Save Ourselves!

Here's a laughable surprise: I actually agree with you that the reduction in jobs is due to corporate greed causing the exportation of American jobs to countries where labor is cheap and expendable.

BUT: I see you have wasted no time during your decrying of all the national problems, then quickly added your own mickey mouse tribulation, one which you deserved. Let me explain this ONE MORE TIME.

When you drive without a license, you go to jail.

When you drive without insurance, you go to jail.

When you refuse to identify yourself to police, you go to jail.

When you go to jail, the other inmates will take your food away, and you will claim to be on a hunger strike.

When you CLAIM to be on a hunger strike, a judge will rightfully commit you to the jailhouse looney bin because you are mentally ill.

When you serve your sentence, you will get out and embark upon your tirade of digital terrorism by innundating these forums with your crap.

You will then repeat the cycle, all over again.

Do the world a favor, and save yourself some pain as well. Sell your computer, purchase some valium, and make a hobby of substance abuse. You are already such a funny monkey, I bet you are a laugh riot as a clumsy drowsy drugged monkey. Oh yeah!
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Date: 01/27/03 01:17:34 PM

Name: Argent Klausmein Email:

Subject: Proof of Spiritual Anorexia

How can you claim to never sink to using an "internet handle", Karczewski? Does the name "Rudolph Underwood" ring any bells? You writh and flay about, screaming to the heavens that you shall avenge yourself upon the public as a god? You deign to profess that you deserve a godhood?

Let all who hath understanding count the number of the beast. For he has spoken at the following URL, and he CLAIMS to be named "Rudolph Underwood". It is ironic, that this Underwood would initiate his post, praising you, Karczewski.

http://pub30.bravenet.com/forum/fetch.php?id=9947733&usernum=2508730665

Let us get to the heart of the matter: You are a profoundly sick individual. Your values are perverse, your words are sacreligious, and your presence on the internet is an offense to the masses. You preach malice and maliase that is rooted in such spiritual enemia, that comparison to the profane, transforms such profanity into he benign.

If your words are not the very essence of Satanic Arrogance, then look at the irrefutable fact that you posted that article 4 times! Cease from your self praise and pomp, become teachable, and surrender yourself to the vital reconstitution of your polluted soul. You are repugnant, and your ideals are reviled by all with Christian hearts.

YOU WILL NEVER BE GOD.

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Date: 01/27/03 03:08:08 AM

Name: Clouded Leopard Email:

Subject: Re: Re: Who is this Anonymous poster?

You posted your name for the article I referenced on the forum list is "anonymous" and you cannot deny it. Let all those with such astute eyes, observe the TRUTH. Now that I have you wriggling within my Crushing Grip of Reason, you have my permission to learn another difficult lesson: A lesson in YOUR PRIDE.

We have spoken on this in the past... you agreed that I would be your counselor, and that you were to be my eager pupil. At least you were honest enough to confess that you are just "another deceiver", that much we agree on.

We have spoken on the telephone, and you know my real name. The instructive conversations we have had are for naught if you let your pride in this public forum get in the way of your private recovery. I am here to help you through your illness, so might I suggest that you should adopt a more humble attitude toward me, your healer. You have already confessed to me in private that you are in the wrong, why not ante up and confess this wretched sin of pride to all the readers of this forum. Until you do, you should not desecrate the word "courage" with your irrelevant hypocrisy.

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Date: 01/27/03 03:27:35 AM

Name: Clouded Leopard Email:

Subject: Gee, where did the line go?

Oh no! A clouded leopard scampered around and obscured the line. Why it's completely gone.

No wait, the wind blew it away... hang on a sec... that's not the wind, but an arrogant blowhard, asserting his deservedness to be Christ.

Have you ever bothered to read the Holy Bible, Raymond? The astute reader will instantly notice that I have you, once again, wriggling within my Crushing Grip of Reason. Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Since you are unable to discern TRUTH from the crap you are constantly spouting; I will translate: It says that anyone claiming to be Christ or "a Christ" is actually the Antichrist, you Satanic Ignoramus.
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Date: 01/22/03 09:12:14 AM

Name: Public Enemy Email: suckit@uradumbass.com

Subject: Raymond, you are a total fucking crazy idiot!

It is unfortunate for the rest of us law abiding citizens, that while you were incarcerated, you did not take your own life. However, if you had done that, none of us would gain the daily pleasure of laughing to the point of wetting ourselves at your moronic postings. Keep up the good work Ray. You are one crazy, but ironically, funny motherfucker. Too bad your children don't think so!
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Subject: Re: Holding Government Accountable:
A Line In The Sand Is Drawn!!
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal, alt.fan.art-bell
Date: 2003-01-21 20:46:04 PST

"BlueAce69" <BlueAce69@aol.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:b0l3is01osm@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <65ur2vcbtlp4ciqhsrhmvui095varv1vo0@4ax.com>, DrPostman says...

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:55:11 -0800, Raymond Karczewski <arkent@internetcds.com>in accordance with The Prophecy and "For Entertainment Purposes Only" availed usof their wisdom with:

Holding Government Accountable: A Line In The Sand Is Drawn!!

By Raymond Karczewski©

After experiencing a False Arrest, False Imprisonment, 33-day Hunger Strike and continual, unabated abuse by a U.S. Constitution-avoiding Josephine County, Oregon Justice System/Government bent on trampling upon the Unalienable Rights of its Sovereign People, the following is the second such Request for Proof of Claim submitted to Josephine County District Attorney Clay Johnson.

It must be noted that DA Johnson is currently "in dishonor" by not responding to or providing the necessary proofs of claim called for on November 8, 2002. DA Johnson followed up his prior nonresponse by referring the matter to the Oregon Department of Justice for investigation of this private man for the crime of "simulation of a legal process" (Paper Terrorism).

I notice your continued silence to my question of the name of the person with the Oregon DoJ who contacted you about your simulation of a legal process. Why is that Ray? What are you afraid of? You afraid that they might add attempted extortion through the US Mail to your charges?

Hmmm, is that a Federal offense?

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/jurislaw.htm

"Extortion (18 USC 873, 876 & 877)
Postal Inspectors investigate extortion and blackmail when demands for ransoms or rewards are sent through the U.S. Mail. Inspectors also strictly enforce laws prohibiting mail that contains threats of kidnapping, physical injury, or injury to the property or reputations of others."

If I read this right, it is a federal offense.

The Nine
http://locnetwork.com
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From: aamm.board@stump.a1gebra.com (aamm.board@stump.a1gebra.com)
Subject: Re: Holding Government Accountable: A Line In The Sand Date: 2003-01-21 22:04:53 PST

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Signed: Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
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Date: 01/15/03 04:12:32 PM

Name: Tom................... Email:

Subject: Re: Re: More lies

Tell us about Kathryn.

Tou haven't seen her in decades, have you?

You are a despicable liar and fraud.
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Date: 01/15/03 04:12:32 PM

Name: Tom................... Email:

Subject: Re: Re: More lies

You fled California and Nevada because of serious legal problems you have everywhere.

So tell us Ray, how are your kids? Oh, I forgot. They have refused to have anything with their abuser for decades.

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Date: 01/15/03 10:44:34 PM

Name: Tom.... Email:

Subject: More lies

You fled California and Nevada because of serious legal problems you have everywhere.

So tell us Ray, how are your kids? Oh, I forgot. They have refused to have anything with their abuser for decades.

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Date: 01/15/03 08:06:47 PM

Name: Tom.... Email:

Subject: Now the Truth about Ray

You were forcibly retired after about 8 years as a beat cop because you are mentally ill and could not be trusted to deal with the public and weapons safely.

You then harassed the City Council and accused the police, city council, and everyone else of conspiring against you (like you claim the entire world is doing now).

Nothing new from you, not ever. Just a psycho trying to lie his way through life.

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Date: 01/13/03 01:05:27 PM

Name: Public Enemy Email: suckit@uradumbass.com

Subject: Raymond Karczewski is a pile of fetid human waste!

Someone needs to hit the "flush" lever so we can be rid of this piece of shit once and for all!

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Date: 01/12/03 01:16:41 PM

Name: Dumbass Detector Email:

Subject: Re: I Shall Be an Invincible God

Oh goodness me I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. By the way, I just love your "name" Rudolf

Does anyone, not know who this "Rudolf" really is? ANYONE AT ALL? After all, only ONE person on this forum consumes valuable bandwidth writing about "Ignoramuses", "CIA Government Disinformation/Media Agents", "swords of truth" and complaining about posters who don't use their real names, like you just did RAYMOND KARZCEWSKI!

You said, and I quote, "I prophesy that I shall be elevated to the STATUS OF A GOD, and those that displease me shall taste my awful wrath."

A god, huh? Well never have I laughed so hard in my life. I mean I am still laughing so hard I have the hiccups and can barely type. If that is true, then miracle me into your presence for judgement you moron! By the way, I thought you are supposed to be a "mirror of truth" that doesn't judge?

Oh yeah, I just can't wait to read your "bible." What is that going to be? Another 10 page brochure that you will sell on amazon.com? Lemonbrain.

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Date: 01/13/03 03:25:20 AM

Name: Rudolph Underwood Email:

Subject: I Shall Be an Invincible God

I Shall Be an Invincible God
by Rudolph Underwood

ru: The following is dedicated to the greatest American to have ever graced these Forums/USENET newsgroups. Raymond Karczewski is a man who has dedicated his life to speaking TRUTH and JUSTICE to the sleeping and deaf millions who obviously are too hypnotically entrenched in their own perverse services to the false gods CIVILIZATION and MONEY to defend him when Satanic Ignoramuses and Spiritual Pipsqueaks attack him. I am writing to give final notice to humanity, that any man can become a god, if God grants him a godhood. One must be pure and dedicated, and as you shall see, your day of reckoning is at hand.

ru: Oh woe be to so many SATANIC IGNORAMUSES that seek to challenge my Truth and Intellect. They fall away like scabs from healing wounds, yet those wounds are from THEIR SATANIC PRIDE as challenging me, they are thwarted in a painful flurry of sinners and hate. They seek to obliterate me, a Christ, A Simple Man of Truth, yet I prevail against them. None have it within themselves to defeat me. You hurl your insults and disinformation yet your words fall impotent before they even leave your profane mouths.

ru: Oh such Spiritual Pipsqueaks, they deign to subject me to my own designs. Like small deluded children, they grasp at my Mirror of Truth, hoping to soil it in the hopes of hiding the source of their Satanic Embarassment. They cry to their Evil Masters at the CIA to dispatch more Government/Disinformation agents. They beg for Infernal Chains of Slavery to bind them to the Bowels of Hell.

ru: At such a time, all ye shall stand in front of me. I SHALL be there when ye are judged, and shall assist the Lord in casting you to the Apocolyptic Flames of Eternal Damnation. You shall become of the Hoard of Demonic Minions that will lick the Greasy Floor of Hell upon Satan's command.

ru: I am vindicated of your Satanic Abuses, as I am in receipt of THOUSANDS, I SAY AGAIN THOUSANDS of letters of support from those who have all but begged me to start my own ministry. Let it be written, that from this day forth, the Holistic Church of the Truthful Cross will cast the Light of Truth using a Mighty Sword of Light down upon the Shadow Dwelling Cowards and Spiritual Pipsqueaks that seek to insult me. My Mirror of Truth shall expose you all for the Satanic Self-Prostituting Cowards that you are. And this time, I SHALL BE THE JUDGE!!!

ru: Those most sincere followers have come to bear witness to my tribulations, and YOUR Hellbound Satanic Intellects are exposed for the Monsterously Evil Spirtual Parasites that they are. Lowly Worms that shall be downtrodden and walked upon by my Holy Crusade.

ru: Those who CLAIM to support my Right and Godly cause but fail to find the courage to speak to their convictions shall suffer duly a purgatory of fear. Their self deluded fantasy that I shall be their supreme protectorate shall find its final faltering in their fall into the Satanic Pit of Hell. They shall suffer an even harsher, sterner damnation than those who utter Satanic Contradictions against MY WORD. These Self-Righteous Luciferian Hypocrites shall taste my wrath, as my Rigid Sword of Light strikes them down, smites them, renders them impotent.

ru: I prophesy that I shall be elevated to the STATUS OF A GOD, and those that displease me shall taste my awful wrath. Your Satanic families and Devil Worshipping friends shall ALL BE DAMNED for your transgressions against ME. You shall be on yourknees, bowing to me as your NEW MASTER. And a Jealous Master I Shall Be. I shall laugh at your pityful cries for mercy and pledges for worship, but never shall I bend to those who have blastphemied me.

ru: YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Hell, isn't it?

ru: I must soon depart upon a hiatus from the internet to begin work on my Bible. This Bible will be of a law comparable to the Old Testement. I believe in Wrath and Hellfire for those that work against me, and I shall CRUSH MY OPPOSERS as eggshells beneath my feet. You SHALL make Sacrifices in MY NAME or face the Eternal Consequences of Losing Favor with ME. MY REASONS SHALL BE MY OWN. QUESTIONING ME SHALL BE THE GRAVEST OF SINS!!!

ru: Welcome to a new spiritual awakening, my Satanic Pipsqueaks.

Rudolph Underwood
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From: Senor Chico (Frank@Byteme.org)
Subject: Re: Raymond IS THE CULPRIT!! Respam
Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
alt.society.revolution
Date: 2003-01-11 04:54:52 PST

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

<<paranoid drivel snipped>>

Nobody on the usenet either wants to hear either your delusional crap or hear about your SELF-INFLICTED problems Ray.

Got it?

(The asshole who sold Ray his computer and told him about how to access the usenet ought to be horsewhipped.)
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Date: 01/10/03 04:12:35 PM

Name: Dumbass Detector mail:

Subject: Raymond Karczewski's Anonymous Internet Names Exposed

Be warned, all ye who enter here and two other Bravenet forums, Raymond Karczewski is using multiple anonymous internet names to post to these forums. He preaches to hold contempt for those who employ these means of posting, yet, his Hypocracy is demonstrated clearly by his use of "pretend followers" of his cult.

He deliberately modifies his writing styles as to confound, as he calls them, the "average" internet reader. He also only posts some of these to each forum, to make the distribution appear equal and different. For all his noisy gibberish, all he is doing is proving once again, that he is a loud blowhard that is in love with the sound of his own voice.

William Wharton - A "pretend" detractor that made his debut last year, as someone who Raymond could offer solid proof of being a Government/Media Disinformation Agent. In fact, this allegedly is the GMDA that he converted to his cult to expose all other anonymous detractors.

Liberty Creed - A supposed "legal" expert that comes to Raymond's rescue out of nowhere. He also made his debut last year as someone who agreed with Raymond word for word.

Bray's Boy - An "ignoramus" follower with a penchant for using extremely poor grammar. Raymond plans to perform an online "education" of this alias, who will agree with everything Raymond "teaches" him.

Ddaxx - A "partially agreeable" student prospect who Raymond will also sway to his cult. This alias is more civil than the rest, which does lend some doubt as to if Raymond is actually the puppet behind this character, or if he is a real person.

Chacal - A simple "anti-detractor" that uses very simple posts to reflect his "opinion" of other posters depending on whether or not they have insulted him (Raymond).

Wolfenstein - An "irrelevant" whom he will convert. This alias has only appeared twice, but the experts agree that this particular character will ally with the Chacal alias to double-team Rayond's detractors, each with their own signature style.

Inspect the following forums and see for yourself. Rayond claims to be Christ, and the Holy Bible warns of such false claimants, as it is prophesied that these claimants shall be The Antichrist. See his Evil unfold as he destroys the Truth with these anonymous internet names.

    http://pub30.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=2508730665
    http://pub17.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1435593256
    http://pub30.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=2540890246
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Date: 01/10/03 10:07:08 AM

Name: Tom Email:

Subject: Sorry Dax

None of this has anything to do with Ray's criminal and psychiatric history.

You only compromise yourself and make your concerns look kooky by confusing them with a mentally ill felon who threatens his neighbors and destroyed his own family. I suggest you meet the man and understand what he is before giving him any personal contact information or support. It will take you 2 seconds to realize the situation.
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Date: 01/10/03 04:09:00 AM

Name: Argent Klausmein Email:

Subject: Re: Re: THOUGHT IS THE CULPRIT!!

You cannot even bring yourself to feign civility toward someone who even partly agrees with you, which is a shame. This individual was complimentary and accomadating to your point of view, yet you feel this overpowering need to perform a "spiritual correction." Your act and words are in error, as you simply cannot alter the lifetime of learning that this poster demonstrates. You seek to modify his views, when YOUR VIEWS are those most needing a "spiritual update".

I have read your articles in these forums and newsgroups for some time now, and feel that it is time for me to "jump into the fire" and help to show you to the Correct and Right path. Several posters have offered you assistance in making this necessary Spiritual Correction to your Heart and Soul, and I suggest you comply with their kind advice.

If you learn from your newfound Mentors, Advisors, and Teachers, then you will come to believe in the fact that a partial disagreement is IN FACT a partial AGREEMENT, and there you shall find commonality with your spiritual peers. Until you seek to become teachable, you will be forever bound within this"Spiritual Anemia" which is becoming more pronounced with each passing day. You must understand, that the Journey to Profound Enlightenment is not always as obvious as following the lines on a road. You must work, suffer, grow, and accept. These are the attributes of a true student of spirituality.

Waive this pressing desire to be the teacher and strive to be teachable. Your peers have a lesson that they can teach you, and by you learning that lesson, they can learn from you. This is the Circle of Humanity, but it is fragile, and can be broken by the Hubris of the Defeated. Defeat is discovered whenever you stop being teachable.

My prayers for your eternal soul are with you, my spiritual brother.

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Date: 01/10/03 09:05:41 PM

Name: Clouded Leopard Email:

Subject: Re: Re: THOUGHT IS THE CULPRIT!!

Analysis of Another Raymond Rant
by Clouded Leopard

dd: Greetings: An excellent article, however, thought, itself, is not the evil, only evil thoughts are.

CL: He has a good point. For if there is such a thing as an "Evil Thought" then it's counterpart must be true, such that there exists a "Good Thought".

rk: My Spiritual Brother, TRUTH, the unnameable essence which transcends your above stated perception exists well beyond one's limited, conscience-based, right/wrong, good/evil concept of conditioned dualistic THOUGHT. That limited Intellectual base of "CONSCIENCE" is the source of civilized man's servitude to SATAN, the petty "god" of THOUGHT.

CL: By that statement, you imply that I can commit an act that is neither good nor bad/right nor wrong/good nor evil. It is simply an act. So if I drink a gallon of caster oil and intentionally vomit all over you, it is just an act, neither good nor bad? If I never do this, but merely consider it, then my thoughts were neither good nor bad, but simply thoughts?

rk: Through the limited instrument of Intellect, Man has "labeled" that unnameable essence with the word "god".

CL: Wait a minute, he said "Thought" not "God". Interesting bit of disinformation there, Raymond. This poster has even agreed with you on several points, but yet you must fulfill this sick desire to "Reeducate" him, because his thoughts are not in 100% compliance with yours?

rk: The "god" of man, worshipped by "millions upon millions" of spiritually blind believers, throughout the ages is not GOD. It is merely the "false god," the familiar, the comfortable, the identifiable image they have conjured up within themselves to fill the void felt deeply within their being. Such is the nature of civilized man's SATANIC pridefulness, his ignorance. It fulfils his insatiable need for "security." Look at our Civilized World. See what man has done with it through his "Intellectual" intelligence. It bears testimony to the effect man's SATANIC
Intellect has had as a "co-creator" of his world.

CL: Ahh, so what you are really saying is that YOU ALONE are entitled to enter the Pearly Gates, and six billion others will Burn in Hell, based on the fact they don't run toward you in submissive capitulation?

rk: You see, GOD is infinite, whole (holistic), complete, indivisible, unbounded, unfragmented, timeless (eternal), nondualistic INTELLIGENCE.

CL: You could have simply said that he is ALL.

rk: GOD IS TRUTH. GOD IS LIFE. GOD IS LOVE.

CL: Well now, at last we agree on something. Maybe you are starting to learn a lesson after all.

rk: Why? Because the essence of TRUTH, LIFE, and LOVE is nondualistic, whole, complete. This is what our Spiritual Brother Jesus attempted to communicate to His contemporaries when He said He was the TRUTH, LIFE, AND THE WAY (the way of LOVE).

CL: You ARE making progress, Raymond. I do admit that I am pleased with this new direction you are taking, but you still have much to work on.

rk: Not one in a million of His followers, then and now, is able to grasp the simple essence of the message He expressed. Instead, His "fallen from grace" believers worship the SATANIC image conditioned into them through the medium of authority-wielded, manipulative BELIEF.

CL: And here is the perfect example. But still, take 3 steps forward and two steps back. That is how the narcotic addict recovers, how the alcoholic recovers, and how anyone with a psychological disorder run amok recovers. Let me make a simple correction to your thinking here; Belief, so long as it is in God, is still belief. Manipulated or not, God SEES all, HEARS all, and COMMANDS all. He merely allows us to engage in free choice, because in making the wrong choice, we are forced to grow.

rk: Anything less than "whole" is "partial," a fragment of the whole. It heralds one's descent into HELL. Its vibratory resonance reveals the emergence of the corrupted, dualistic, Intellectual realm of mind with its confusion, its neverending unresolved conflict.

CL: Now wait, now you are deifying yourself again, claiming to be a prophet by interpreting GODS intention and desire. You have not yet earned enough leeway with me to let you slip that one by. You must consider that what you are engaging in at the time of your writing is conflict. You are RESISTING the point of view of this poster you seek to influence.

rk: All humans are capable of discerning the distinction, even though they remain ignorant of such distinction until the wholeness of AWARENESS emerges within their time-bound conditioned consciousness.

CL: Proof positive that Some are Sicker than Others, and Raymond is definitely NOT ONE OF THE OTHERS inTHIS case.

rk: Put it to the test, won't you? THINK of something, anything. It doesn't matter what you think of.

CL: Raymond, calm down, you are not yet ready to teach, you only just demonstrated that you were paying attention to me earlier. You must absorb my Entire Lesson before you find the requisite qualification to pass the good word.

rk: In a moment of out-of-time clarity, of spiritual "insight," one SEES there exists the THOUGHT you have projected and EVERYTHING ELSE that is beyond that very limited THOUGHT. That unnameable essence of EVERYTHING ELSE is the INFINITE UNKNOWN which resonates as the very essence of our being. It is with us throughout life. It resonates in every eternal moment, at all times, everywhere. It is GOD.

CL: My thoughts are telling me that you still have a lot of work ahead of you. The road is going to be Long and Difficult, but I am here to hold your hand as you walk down my path of Spiritual Growth. Remain openminded and you may yet learn something else, possibly about yourself.

rk: There exists in the computer-like instrument of the human INTELLECT, the partial, fragmented, dualistic, conceptual construction of SATANIC (OPPOSER) FINITE THOUGHT. GOD is the indefinable essence which lies beyond all finite conceptions. The mind may conceive of the "thought" of god, but such "thought" is not GOD.

CL: In your dreams, Raymond. As usual, I will have to draw it in crayon: When a man (or woman) prays to God, you are in no position to declare what that God is. Unless you can somehow read the minds of others, but you seem to suffer sufficient confusion in your own skewed mind to complete baffle yourself when it comes to empathy of others. Keep in mind, Raymond, that I am not judging you, but placing you in front of the Mirror of Truth, so that you can see the foolishness of your words.

dd: Mankind is gifted with the ability for free will and freedom of choice, when he allows the prurient interests to influence his/her thoughts, then ,and only then, are his/her thoughts evil.

CL: How very true. You display an insight into humanity that is indeed a gift. You also seem to understand that we all are fallible and suseptable to Evil Influence, and that it is usually a conscious decision that allows that evil to fester.

rk: See above. One must go beyond his natural tendency toward issuing technical judgments in the nontechnical issues of Life. In addressing the nontechnical problems of life, be QUIET, be AWARE, pay ATTENTION, be GUIDED by the INFINITE INTELLIGENCE which can only be accessed in SILENCE.

CL: Without the ability to make a technical judgement, you would be unable to comprehend the answer you just gave. You had to analyze the technical aspect behind the words, give careful thought, and construct a rebuttal. This rebuttal even exhibits some rudimentary logic, which means you ARE making progress with my teachings.

dd: The parable of the garden of Eden whereby man ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge or of good and evil, which ever you choose to believe, gave him the ability to choose, and that is where his weaknesses are demonstrated: I utilize the male concept but it represents both sexes.

rk: My brother, look to your own words above. They tell their story.

CL: By definition, a parable is a story. And this is the first story, part of Genesis, the driving force behind why Man was NOT CREATED to live in the garden of Eden. If we were, then we would still be there today.

dd: I do not believe in a Satan, because man has the ability to choose,

rk: ALL CHOICE is based in confusion and conflict and is therefore SATANIC in nature.

CL: So when you choose to criticize this poster, your decision to do so is SATANIC in nature. By proxy, this makes YOU SATANIC, Raymond. Hell, isn't it?

dd: he alone allows the evil thoughts to influence his thinking. It is obviously easier to think evil thoughts because the media compounds the sensual and sexual concepts almost 24 hours a day and if there is a scintilla of weakness in the character of man, the evil thoughts are promulgated!

CL: Once again, this is a profound point of view. Sadly, I have yet to meet a man (or woman) that is completely pure, myself included. Evil does and will triumph at times, the secret is, to allow God to lead us down the appropriate path, and pray for and accept his forgiveness when we stray.

rk: Your comment, "....the media compounds the sensual and sexual concepts almost 24 hours a day" is just more evidence of the SATANIC thought-based world which has condemned civilized man to his own self-made HELL ON EARTH. ISN'T IT TIME FOR MANKIND TO AWAKEN FROM HIS HYPNOTIC CONDITIONED SLEEP?

CL: I just read a post which says it all, Raymond. You should make your new language, a Language of Silence. Then and ONLY THEN, can you learn the full force of my lessons. Your spiritual confusion is liable to confuse others, which will only distract you into making more erroneous posts. Fear not, I will make this journey with you, your constant companion as you learn yet another lesson. I shall be watching to see how you apply the lessons you have learned today.
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Date: 01/10/03 08:28:56 PM

Name: Tom Email:

Subject: Re: Re: THOUGHT IS THE CULPRIT!!

Beg your children to forgive you for what you did to them. If they'll even talk to you after so many decades Ray. And stop preaching. We don't accept preaching from a repeat felon and child abuser like you.

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Date: 01/9/03 04:04:19 PM

Name: Public Enemy Email: suckit@uradumbass.com

Subject: Raymond Karczewski is a child molester!

That's right. He's a pervert! An evil pervert. Ray is Satan!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: 01/9/03 11:53:07 AM

Name: Argent Klausmein Email:

Subject: A Monument to Satanicly Barbaric Ignorance

Raymond Karczewski has been preaching his false word on the internet for 8 years this November. His Demonstrative Tactic of Irrelevancy is a weapon of vitriol and malice. He constantly points out that which is not important and becomes flustered when challenged by one with the Requisite Knowledge of his Spiritual Anorexia.

He screams and raves about his Pompous Pipedream of a World that Idolates him, raises him up as a Supreme Deity. As he demands worship with much pomp and noise, he condemns those who have an intimate knowledge of Truthful Spirituality, since they provide him with a Measure of Intellectual Correction that he is impotent to withstand.

Ask yourself the most simple question: Do you want a Idolator, a Convicted Criminal to act as your religious advisor and teacher. He craves this power, as he is a Living Monument to Satanicly Barbaric Ignorance. He is Imprisoned by Ignorance, and his search for an Empty Vacume of False Vindication is an Effort Doomed to Failure. There is NO VINDICATION for the Power Hungry Monsters that lurk in the dark of Spiritual Inaccuracy.

Raymond Karczewski, Until you surrender yourself to the necessary reconstitution of your polluted soul, your ultimate destiny is one of Hellfire and Damnation. Your anemic rants and ravings are testimony to your deeper insanity. Mental illness need not be condemnation, and should you be gracious to this Gift of Truth, mayhaps there is hope for you het. Admit this to your betters and allow them to guide your ignorant, untutored mind to a spiritual landscape of self-knowledge, maturity and acceptance. You must LOOK with the Eyes that See, and you must LISTEN with the Ears that Hear. The time has come for silence to become your native tounge, for your salvation is at risk.

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Date: 01/8/03 03:14:55 PM

Name: Public Enemy Email: suckit@uradumbass.com

Subject: Raymond Karczewski is a TRAITOR!!

You are THE enemy. You might as well be Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussien. You should be tried and hung for treason!

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Date: 01/8/03 05:42:47 PM

Name: Public Enemy Email: suckit@uradumbass.com

Subject: Raymond Karczewski is SATAN!

I have figured it out. Raymond is sooo clever. All this time, he says HE is Christ and comes off as being totally crazy, but don't you all get it? This is Satan's way of trying to confuse all of us so that his takeover of the Earth and humanity will be a complete surprise and will be swift. Oh, Ray, you are a shrewd one aren't you? However, you have to get up pretty early in the morning to outwit me. Now go on along back to hell now, Satan.
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CHRISTS: The Unwelcome Guests Of The Hellbent on Earth

By Raymond Karczewski©

Come to understand that thought, an exercise of the dualistic Intellect can NEVER solve problems which lie beyond the technical realm of consciousness.

Truth, Life, and Divine Consciousness (holistic awareness) is another word for LOVE. Such is the nature of simple, integral men and women of TRUTH -- CHRISTS.

They are At-one with the transcendent, nondualistic resonance which encompasses dualistic (SATANIC) thought, but are not bound by it. They are on a "visitors pass to hell," They act as guides, merely pointing to the way, but never, ever, will they coerce others into changing mindsets. Make no mistake, however, they DO RAISE HELL everywhere they go!!

There have been and presently are MANY Christs, (simple men/women of TRUTH) on this earth. Jesus of Nazareth was but ONE of them.

In Civilized SATANIC based (INTELLECTUALLY DRIVEN) Societies, TRUTH is never welcome.

History is rife with examples of the inertia of human thought and its enslavement of those who have bargained their souls away for worldly knowledge.

Use the mind for technical problem solving. Beyond that narrow, linear parameter of
consciousness -- BE AWARE.

Let Go, Let God.

Let Supreme Intelligence guide you through life.

Try it, You'll LIKE IT!!