Neykomi Lee (neykomi@home.com) wrote:

Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:08:09 GMT

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Raymond Karczewski wrote:

rk: Just for the record, your cowardice is duly noted by your "X-No-Archive: Yes" attempt to destroy the evidence of your own ignorance. Now, shall we begin?

nl: > So much for attributes.

rk: >> Justice is the Satanic carrot of illusion dangled before a confused, self-doubting, abused and tyrannized, intellectually enslaved populace. It is the greatest source of hypocrisy in the Civilized World.

nl: > So we can look at justice in many lights.

rk: . . . And in doing so, be blinded to the simple Truth that speaks to the heart and soul of the intelligent, eh?

nl: > For instance, in one light bulb, we can say that the only reason that you are alive, Ray, is because of justice. It is illegal to kill you. In another light bulb, you are posting with the freedom of speech version of our American justice. Yet, another light bulb says that you are allowed to practice whatever religion that would like, so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and justice of others.

rk: Is this an examination of Truth, or a mindless throwing out of endless imaginary projections which lead nowhere but to further confusion, despair and endless argument?

nl: > So, in effect... you are practicing Satanism and endorsing it whole heatedly to get your message across the Internet. Sorry, the Devil made me do it in showing your evil ways!

rk: Your Freudian Slip "whole heatedly" and the "Devil made me do it" rather says it all, doesn't it?

bol: >>> Once we have apprehended someone there is no reason to punish them for the sake of detterrence except to make them a sacrificial lamb to scare other people out of harming others.

rk: >> In that statement you raise the ugly spectre of an impotent, fear-wielding, compensatory authority figure doing his Wizard of Oz Schtick, eh? Isn't such behavior, designed "to scare other people out of harming others," typically found in the unbalanced relationship of the "blind who lead the blind"? YOU BET!!!

nl: > As a former police officer, Ray, you of all people should know better. The fact that you trounce to a different drummer without the badge tells me what kind of a job you did in the line of duty.

rk: So, even in your present state abject ignorance, you have noticed that individuals of integrity have short careers in Public Service, eh?

nl: > Punishment for crimes has been around since at least Biblical times if not before.

rk: So has Hell on Earth!!

nl: > It is the basic construct for justice.

rk: And how has it changed civilized human behavior throughout the ages? Man is still killing each other as man did in the Stone Age. He just has better technically-designed weapons at his disposal.

nl: > In some countries, when a suspect is caught and found to be guilty of a heinous crime such as raping and murdering a young person, the punishment is death.

rk: Killing in the face of imminent death is a matter of survival, of self-preservation. Killing in that timeless moment is a matter of Intelligence expressing itself. Killing in obeisance to civilized Satanic concepts is the ultimate sign of the Hell-bound and the depraved.

nl: > In fact, the victim or family can carry out the sentence in the presence of police forces. Thats in "some countries". Every land has different laws and consequences for violating those laws.

rk: Have you not noticed the same murderous spirit exhibited by family members toward the apprehended murderer of their kin when it comes to sentencing? The only thing which separates them is the thin line of societally-approved belief. Remove that concept from the equation, and show me -- where is the difference between the "apparent" opposites of the accused and the family member(s)?

nl: > Punishment of a law is meant to be a "deterrent" to society that no one should commit this type of crime.

rk: The first thing that ignoramuses must do if they are to come to their own God-given but latent Intelligence is to remove the words "COULDA, WOULDA, SHOULDA from their vocabulary. That simple act alone restores the state of timelessness from a consciousness imprisoned by its own endless projection of time-bound fantasies.

nl: > Punishment is deemed fair and equal in the United States.

rk: . . .And by whom is punishment deemed fair and equal? Trace its origin and you will see it is deemed so by the very rule makers, enforcers, and interpreters of law who instilled it upon the mass consciousness via mind control techniques.

nl: > Hence, theft of $100 or less is not punishable by death in the states. In some countries, it will cost you your hand via amputation with a machete. Be very thankful you live where you do, Ray.

rk: Only an ignoramus unable to see the inarguable Truth of civilized conditioned man's inhumanity to his fellow man would attempt to posit such feeble comparisons. It is like flinging "dung" on the wall and hoping something will stick.

bol: >>> The truth is, you can only justify harming someone in self-defense.

nl: Then that means that the aggressor is in fact, violating a law in his/her attack.

rk: Your ignorance is overwhelming, neykomi. You lack the ablility to discriminate action from the concept of the action. Not to worry though. You share that base of ignorance with the vast majority of civilized mankind. Surely in your life, where you have prayed for death on your "death bed" to release you from this "veil of tears," you must have realized you were only trying to escape the pain of your own ignorance? Yet here you are, with a little bit of restored energy, judging another from that habitual level of prideful ignorance. Hell, isn't it?

nl: > There should and is an appropriate punishment for said crime that is fair and not unjust here in the United States.

rk: There's that ignorant display of "SHOULDA, COULDA, WOULDA again. See what I mean about empty proclamations which go nowhere and come to nothing?

nl: > Self-defense is an option and encouraged.

rk: To an intelligent man, self defense is not an option but a necessity. Options are time-bound concepts which rule the Hell-bound who have fallen from the grace of Supreme Intelligence.

nl: > However as with the hockey dad, it is possible to no longer be in defense of yourself, but become the aggressor and land in prison for violating the rights of the attacker.

rk: Is this where I get to rest my case regarding the insanity of the present day court system? When Satanic (Opposer), dualistic concepts rule the civilized human consciousness, where else do you expect this sort of "politically correct" insanity to be found?

rk: >> The Satanic ruled Legal System founded in the illusory

nl: > (snip)

rk: I see you haven't lost your deceptive need to censor another's full comments before passing the judgment below.

nl: > Well, we know where you stand in regards to respect for the law. And to think that you use to be part of the "law of the land".

rk: You must also notice that I am no longer a "part of the 'law of the land'", eh? Your feeble attempt at innuendo falls flat, doesn't it? It is no wonder that you attempted to destroy the evidence of this communication with "X-No-Archive: Yes."

bol: >>> The law walks the narrow path between two people's rights. Encourage everyone to support the law, so that they will respect it.

rk: >> I, like many, can personally attest to the fact that Man's Law as presently administered in this person's life experience, in this Nation, IS AN ASS!!

>> Retired Police Sergeant rk:

>> Raymond Karczewski

nl: > Powerful stuff, Ray! I'm proud of you, man. ":)

rk: neykomi, in your present state of conditioned ignorance, you wouldn't know *powerful* if it came up and bit you!!

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:07:52 +0800

"Gandalf the Great" wrote:

Raymond Karczewski,(arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

g: Raymond,

g: > Raymond, you are confused

g: > what makes you think that your word and your word only is what people should follow?

rk: Perhaps you will show the readers of this newsgroup/forum a single piece of evidence you have attained where I have asked for, or recruited followers. Your deceptive spin originates from the get-go, does it not?

g: > aren't other people intitled to their own opinions and beliefs?

rk: Certainly all are entitled to the world they create for themselves with the aid of their ignorant, Satanically ruled Intellects.

g: > your thinking is so narrow and clouded that you cannot appreciate diverse opinions and see other's points of view.

rk: Opinion and "points of view" are, as the old saying goes, like a--------s. Everybody has them. However a direct grasp of Truth is rare indeed!!

g: > Why waste your time trying to convince everyone that YOU Raymond Karczewski are right and they MUST adhere to what you believe?

rk: You are putting forth false statements which are doomed die on the vine for lack of evidence. Again, if you would like to show even a scintilla of evidence that what you are claiming is TRUE and not just another opinion/point of view of a mind controlling schmoozy, seductive, positive image wielding, manipulative ignoramus, well then, by all means, be my guest!!

g: > You waste too much time posting messages on usenet groups and receive no results for your efforts.

rk: Surely you jest. Even your own feeble attempts to shut down the writings of a simple man of Truth show the effect my writing has upon the Internet.

g: > while you proclaim that you've achieved 'Christhood', you display yourself as an Angry person who has much guilt and torment from many years.

rk: The anger you see in the Mirror of Truth you now find yourself gazing into comes not from the mirror itself, but from the true reflection of the one who stands before it. Inescapable, isn't it?

g: > this is probably why most people either mock you, ignore you, or dismiss you as a fool, or madman.

rk: Such actions of mocking and dismissals typically arise from the LEGION of conflicted, confused and angry intellects of conditioned ignoramuses caught by their own face-saving compensations when they inevitably experience the exposure of their own deep felt ignorance keyed by the Truth of my writings.

g: > Why do you continue to torment yourself this way?

rk: I assure you the torment you are now feeling is not for the other but for yourself.

g: > let it go. take your wife and go on a long journey.

rk: Typical escapism eh? Isn't that what ignoramuses are trained to do instead of dealing with the problems of life? What is sad about it is that most are not even aware of their own "outer directed" ignorance, instilled and perpetuated by the mind controllers who rule them.

g: > it's time for you to jump off of the Gerbal wheel of torment.

rk: "Gerbal (Gerbil) wheel of torment" indeed!! Are you beginning to see whom you really are talking about?

g: > learn to appreciate what's great about this world, not what's evil in it.

rk: I See. Your advise is that one who has capacity to see the WHOLE picture, forfeit that capacity, and instead adopt a "dumb down" limited version of consciousness/awareness which may be characterized as *ignorance.*

rk: Blinded to the Truth (the Whole), one must then utilize one's limited functioning intellect, an instrument unable to grasp the whole but able to manipulate only fragments of the whole. The ensuing confusion and neverending unresolved conflict of the fragmented opposites then cause one to escape headlong into the illusion of pleasure thus avoiding its equally limited, illusory opposite of pain, both of which leave their indelible brand upon the consciousness of civilized ignoramuses. In your demonstrated ignorance, it would seem that you have not yet discerned the nature and spirit of Satanic ruled opposites.

g: > Raymond, you're making your own HELL, and you could be making your own HEAVEN if you wanted to, but you choose to live a miserable life.

rk: You mistake and resent the unbounded spiritual consciousness of a nonlinear, multidimensional perceiving Christ, who walks freely amongst time-bound, linear thinking minions who worship Satan, the God of Intellect. The mere presence of Christ Consciousness (Truth) points to the simple solution of the root cause of their present Hellish, Intellectual incarceration. Yet such revelation just serve to drive most ignoramuses "up the wall."

g: > try focusing on doing that and then maybe you'll have really achieved what one refer's to as 'Christhood' and then by setting example rather then preaching at the Choir, you/ll possibly have many followers.

Gandalf

rk: One does not achieve Christhood. One merely regains it when the amnesia dissolves and one awakens to shake off their hypnotic conditioning. That is the Resurrection of the Spirit, the Spiritual Rebirth process. It is the state of Spiritual Awakening which allow one to resonate with their True Estate of Supreme (Divine) Intelligence!

rk: Only an ignoramus "chooses" to go about it BASSACKWARDS!! Hell, isn't it?

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19 Jan 2002 15:34:05 -0800

gandalf_thegreat@mail.com (Gandalf) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

g: >>> what makes you think that your word and your word only is what people should follow?

rk: >> Perhaps you will show the readers of this newsgroup/forum a single piece of evidence you have attained where I have asked for, or recruited followers. Your deceptive spin originates from the get-go, does it not?

g: > If anyone here is deceptive it's you Raymond. I offered some advice to you, because you seem to be suffering quite a bit, but now my empathy for you is starting to diminish because you're putting words in my mouth and you're lying.

rk: Simple enough. Show the evidence where I have put words in your mouth, or where I have lied in my previous communication with you. If you are referring to your own remark "what makes you think that your word and your word only is what people should follow," I suggest you meditate on the relationship of the words "follow" and "follower." After all, its your spin, isn't it?

rk: As to the element of deception, how, "gandalf," do you explain that you "gandalf_thegreat@mail.com (Gandalf)" have no posting history on Google archives as of the time of this writing, Jan. 19th, 2002, 5:15 pm? What other aliases/sockpuppets have you been posting under? After all, you seemed to have "followed" my writings on the Internet.

g: > I have no respect for Liars and people who twist what others say to fit their own personal agenda and Raymond I don't know, or care what your "Real Agenda" is and do not want to know.

Gandalf

rk: Can the Internet readers now expect that this is the end of the line for your brief use of the handle "Gandalf " and the birth of a new alias?

rk: How else can people who have no respect for themselves ("Liars and people who twist what others say" -- your words, not mine) expect to continue functioning in the shadowy world of disinformation without ultimately exposing themselves, if not for the use of multiple aliases? The use of Internet aliases/masks is like mother's milk to deceptive hypocrites whose stock in trade is lies, libels, and ad hominem attacks.

rk: Now that you have had a brief glimpse of yourself in the Mirror of Truth and discovered that you " have no respect for Liars and people who twist what others say to fit their own personal agenda and Raymond I don't know, or care what your 'Real Agenda' is and do not want to know," does this mean goodbye, or merely "au revoir"?

rk: Back to the shadows with you, oh slithering, anonymous, cowardly disinformation agent -- at least until you, along with "Frank Bender" are able to produce a posting history reflecting integrity under your true names and/or email addresses in the Internet Archives.

rk: At present, you're not faring too well!!

rk: By the way, your style of expression is quite similar to the anonymous coward who recently used the same technique as you while using the alias "Frank Bender." He, like you, played the same game and, BY GOOGLE, was nailed in the same way.

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Neykomi Lee (neykomi@home.com)

Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:15:21 GMT

nl: >>X-No-Archive: Yes

> Neykomi Lee wrote:

> Raymond Karczewski wrote:

nl: >> See Ray? You already trashed the attributes to this post to confuse the readers. That isn't very honest of you. You have further added my email address to the post when it is already provided in the headers. Let me guess, I'm the asshole of usenet now because I didn't agree with you?

rk: After you finish reading this post, you will fully understand why you've labeled yourself that which you deeply feel about yourself on the Internet, and why it has nothing to do with agreement or disagreement with another.

rk: Remember the adage, "Judge not lest Ye be Judged."

rk: >> Just for the record, your cowardice is duly noted by your "X-No-Archive: Yes" attempt to destroy the evidence of your own ignorance. Now, shall we begin?

nl: > Oh blow it out your ass, Ray.

rk: What an interesting retort for one who clearly got caught with his "hand in the cookie jar."

rk: What happened? Were you unable to face the simple truth about yourself and just acknowledge that you were caught in a precoverup of that which you were either ashamed of or was it that you were afraid it would provide evidence of self-indictment?

nl: > Why won't you can answer Dr. Postman who you claim is also hiding behind a fictitious name?

rk: One does not support deceptions without strengthening them (Resist not Evil) in the process.

rk: If you are so inclined, perhaps you will pull out of the Google archives evidence of such a claim you now attribute to me. You will find it an impossible task, for you see, postman made it up and attributed the statement to me. Go ahead. Research that point. You will find no such "claim" arising from me. All statements to that effect will be those of postman accusing me of it.

rk: When you've had your fill of such "manufactured evidence," you can then apply it to EVERY libel perpetrated upon my and my wife's reputation. Yet the public is incapable of discerning it. That's the nature of disinformation on these newsgroups/forums, and the vast majority of readers are UNAWARE of just how much they are being psychologically manipulated on the Internet.

nl: > He has posted his real name and address several times on alt.paranormal for you.

rk: Then why after identifying himself, does he continue to post under Postman and not his True Identity? Once the cat is out of the bag, why put it back in -- UNLESS?!!!

nl: > I post with my real name. So what's your bitch now?

rk: None to that point. None to anything you've written, for your writing speaks volumes about your emotional and intellectual imbalance. Take this post for example. Why reply to my comments when you offer nothing to mitigate your ignorance and have only extended further proof of it with your expanding, inane rationalizations?

rk: In a way, you are providing a great service to the rest of the ignoramuses who identify with you. You show that there are indeed more ignoramuses in the world than there are Christs.

nl: > You keep going on about this cowardice for using the perfectly legal X-No-Archive: Yes headers.

rk: Your use of the phrase "perfectly legal" does not get you off the hook, does it? That does not mitigate your "intent" to deceive through destruction of evidence by using the tool of "X-No-Archive: Yes" .

nl: > What evidence are you alleging is being destroyed? I'll be honest, I think you're a few fries short of a happy meal there, Ray.

rk: See what I mean? You have no "reasonable retort," and so you resort to trite one-liner slogans which have been conditioned into you by mind control experts. Most ignoramuses function at that level, and they think they are being clever by using such say-nothing statements. How does it feel to expose such ignorance to the world and then to walk out your door and face your fellow man?

nl: >>> For instance, in one light bulb, we can say that the only reason that you are alive, Ray, is because of justice. It is illegal to kill you. In another light bulb, you are posting with the freedom of speech version of our American justice. Yet, another light bulb says that you are allowed to practice whatever religion that would like, so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and justice of others.

nl: > > So, in effect... you are practicing Satanism and endorsing it whole heatedly to get your message across the Internet. Sorry, the Devil made me do it in showing your evil ways!

rk: >> Your Freudian Slip "whole heatedly" and the "Devil made me do it" rather says it all, doesn't it?

nl: > Yes, it says that you lost all sense of sanity long ago. Seek help.

rk: See what I mean about say-nothing one-liners?

nl: >>> Punishment for crimes has been around since at least Biblical times if not before.

rk: >> So has Hell on Earth!!

nl: > You ignored the point being made, turdwaffle.

rk: I was just exposing a one-liner statement which shows the multilevels of interpretation which can be distilled from such deliberate vagueness. That is the key to discerning ignorance which seeks to don the cloak of cleverness. Ignoramuses of the World must eventually come to learn that when they choose to face the Mirror of Truth, they can run, but they can't hide!!

nl: >>> In some countries, when a suspect is caught and found to be guilty of a heinous crime such as raping and murdering a young person, the punishment is death.

rk: >> Killing in the face of imminent death is a matter of survival, of self-preservation. Killing in that timeless moment is a matter of Intelligence expressing itself. Killing in obeisance to civilized Satanic concepts is the ultimate sign of the Hell-bound and the depraved.

nl: > It is justified under the penalty of their laws and the person knowingly broke the law knowing the consequences.

rk: You, like *millions and millions and millions and millions* of others, miss the point of Man's Law. It is not a tool of justice, but one of exploitation. Laws do not prevent or deter killing, even in the most mind-controlled individuals. For even they will "snap out of their conditioning."

rk: Man's law is the tool of Power, Rule, Control, and Exploitation over ignoramuses. There are whole industries created and sustained by such exploitive laws. Look to the Redistribution of Wealth from the *have nots* to the *haves.* How would that be possible without LAW? Come on, neykomi, you can't be THAT OBTUSE, can you?

nl: > There is no one to blame then the criminal him/her self. Anything other then that is bullshit in the eyes of society. Laws deter crime.

rk: Then why are our jails filled to capacity, and why are those who rule us rolling out the "concentration camps?" Laws don't deter, they put control into the hands of the few who rule the many.

nl: > A carried out death penalty means that there is no chance for this person to reoffend.

rk: But so is taking somebody out in self defense in a life-death confrontation.

rk: Why does government want to take our guns away and leave us at the mercy of criminals and late-arriving "law enforcement" officers? Two reasons: POPULATION CONTROL and removal of any threat to the government's MONOPOLY of POWER!

nl: > All other non capital punishment crimes have a punishment that is meant to deter the crime in the first place. Again, the basic construct of justice.

rk: And all of it a joke -- a joke that leaves no one laughing!!

nl: >>> Punishment is deemed fair and equal in the United States.

rk: >> . . .And by whom is punishment deemed fair and equal? Trace its origin and you will see it is deemed so by the very rule makers, enforcers, and interpreters of law who instilled it upon the mass consciousness via mind control techniques.

nl: Ah yes. The mind control. If you don't like it, Ray, run for office and change it. That is the American way.

rk: Why do you revel in displaying such ignorance to the world, neykomi? One must not add to the EVIL in the world, neither must one resist it. All one need do is withdraw their support (money and consent) and evil disintegrates for the lack of infusion of energy. Thus it meets the fate of all time-bound illusions -- DEATH.

rk: The sadness of it all is that IGNORAMUSES are incapable of exercising such simple acts of INTELLIGENCE.

bol: >>>> The truth is, you can only justify harming someone in self-defense.

nl: >>> Then that means that the aggressor is in fact, violating a law in his/her attack.

rk: >> Your ignorance is overwhelming, neykomi. (snip)

nl: > No, Ray. Again you fail to grasp reality. There are two sides to each confrontation. Aggressor, and defender.

rk: Yes, it is called DUALITY!

nl: > There is no middle ground duality bullshit to the masses. Two sides, one reality.

rk: See what I mean about ignorance? Who else can screw up such a simple, bottom line statement of duality but a *prideful* ignoramus?

nl: >> There should and is an appropriate punishment for said crime that is fair and not unjust here in the United States.

rk: >> There's that ignorant display of "SHOULDA, COULDA, WOULDA again. See what I mean about empty proclamations which go nowhere and come to nothing?

nl: > It's reality and law of the land. If you don't like it, change it.

rk: Love it or leave it, eh? The battle cry of the ignoramus!!

nl: >>> However as with the hockey dad, it is possible to no longer be in defense of yourself, but become the aggressor and land in prison for violating the rights of the attacker.

rk: >> Is this where I get to rest my case regarding the insanity of the present day court system? When Satanic (Opposer), dualistic concepts rule the civilized human consciousness, where else do you expect this sort of "politically correct" insanity to be found?

nl: > That's almost sig material.

rk: Of course you would consider borrowing such multidimensional comments as sig material since you have no words of your own to express.

nl: > Man, what a mind job you are. Reality is down the hall to the right.

rk: Now that this post is winding down, I suggest you reread your comments in this article. If that doesn't shake you out of your mind controlled coma, nothing will.

rk: >> I see you haven't lost your deceptive need to censor another's full comments before passing the judgment below.

nl: > Just cutting your words short where needed based on your nonsense and refusal to deal in reality.

rk: In your present state of ignorance, neykomi, you are not even aware that there are as many realities being experienced as there are conditioned minds to experience them. However, there is but one *WHAT IS!!*

nl: >>> Well, we know where you stand in regards to respect for the law. And to think that you use to be part of the "law of the land".

rk: >> You must also notice that I am no longer a "part of the 'law of the land'", eh? Your feeble attempt at innuendo falls flat, doesn't it? It is no wonder that you attempted to destroy the evidence of this communication with "X-No-Archive: Yes."

nl: > What bullshit are you spouting off with now? Evidence? You're out of your mind, Ray. Pardon me for saying so. Go read up and learn all about X-No-Archive: Yes, sometime.

rk: Apples and oranges misdirection, eh. neykomi? The real question you refuse to answer is why you find it NECESSARY to use such a tool to prevent your comments from being ARCHIVED.

rk: Therein lies THE REST OF THE STORY!!

Ray Karczewski

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Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

gandalf_thegreat@mail.com (Gandalf) wrote:

rk: Folks, pay attention to the present character assassination campaign underway by disinformation agents such as "gandalf" and other AFAB Disinformation Agents who have recently abandoned their traditional anonymity handles and are now posting under other fictitious names.

rk: Same choir - different names.

rk: Most of you reading this are pretty much fed up and bored with this 7-year-long Internet smear campaign directed toward me (and other Internet individuals) by government/media sponsored/supported anonymous cowardly disinformation agents and wish it would just go away.

rk: Is this not exactly the aim of such relentless assaults directed toward citizens by government and media bureaucracies and their "hired guns?" This technique of "wearing out" the patience and energy of citizens is a ploy that almost all citizens have recognized in their relationships with government at some time or another.

rk: These cowardly anonymous disinformation agents have "pulled out all the stops" over the years to prevent my writing from reaching the newsgroups and forums on the Internet. It continues to this very day. Yet with all of their collective efforts, they have failed to stop the words of a single man of Truth, a Christ.

rk: Now, I recognize that most of you do not understand what I express in my writing (as it is TOO SIMPLE for your conditioned, complexity-oriented intellects to grasp) and so are alienated and even insulted by such simple Truth.

rk: I may have belabored the term IGNORAMUS to get my point across that UNAWARENESS is the DISEASE of the modern day CIVILIZED mind; and since most of you live in that dualistic, Satanic (Opposer) ruled realm of Intellect, damn near all of you are turned off by it. It is not surprising. Truth is a hard pill to swallow for intellects bathed in ignorance.

rk: Many wonder whether I am a genuine Christ, a man of Truth. How can you be expected to understand that simple TRUTH when your political and religious conditioned intellects are ruled by the ILLUSIONS of force, fear, and mysticism?

rk: Although the average person reading this cannot grasp the essence of this Truth until they have dissolved the conditioned barriers which block them from such direct perception, there is a simple and inarguable way to assess the genuineness of one who possesses Christ Consciousness.

rk: In the last seven years my words have been roundly attacked. My reputation and the reputations of my wife and children have also been attacked. There has not been one stone left unturned in their collective attempt to destroy my credibility; yet with each attack, all they have accomplished is to PUT TO THE TEST and SPOTLIGHT the unshakable BALANCE of a Christ, a simple man of Truth.

rk: The evidence to support this may be found on my bulletin board at: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

rk: See it for yourselves!

rk: Although the assaults continue to the present day, those who have been following this campaign can see the diminishment of the cowardly attackers and undisturbed balance of a Christ.

rk: The following is just one example of the level of deceit exhibited by just one of these Government/Media sponsored/supported disinformation Agents.

rk: It is being presented because the technique shift you will observe occurred within just 24 hours.

rk: "What a Difference a Day Makes -- 24 little hours."

rk: On Jan 19th, "Gandalf the Great" wrote:

g: > what makes you think that your word and your word only is what people should follow?

g: > aren't other people intitled to their own opinions and beliefs?

g: > your thinking is so narrow and clouded that you cannot appreciate diverse opinions and see other's points of view.

g: > Why waste your time trying to convince everyone that YOU Raymond Karczewski are right and they MUST adhere to what you believe?

g: > You waste too much time posting messages on usenet groups and receive no results for your efforts.

g: > while you proclaim that you've achieved 'Christhood', you display yourself as an Angry person who has much guilt and torment from many years.

g: > this is probably why most people either mock you, ignore you, or dismiss you as a fool, or madman.

g: > Why do you continue to torment yourself this way?

g: > let it go. take your wife and go on a long journey.

g: > learn to appreciate what's great about this world, not what's evil in it.

g: > Raymond, you're making your own HELL, and you could be making your own HEAVEN if you wanted to, but you choose to live a miserable life.

g: > try focusing on doing that and then maybe you'll have really achieved what one refer's to as 'Christhood' and then by setting example rather then preaching at the Choir, you/ll possibly have many followers.

9 Jan 2002 15:34:05 -0800

g: > If anyone here is deceptive it's you Raymond. I offered some advice to you, because you seem to be suffering quite a bit, but now my empathy for you is starting to diminish because you're putting words in my mouth and you're lying.

g: > I have no respect for Liars and people who twist what others say to fit their own personal agenda and Raymond I don't know, or care what your "Real Agenda" is and do not want to know.

Gandalf

g: anyone can do a search on you and get a complete posting history, but all it takes is to read one, or two of your articles to realize that you're off your rocker. I sent you an email and you posted it without my permission, but I posted my original email so everyone could view it's original form.

g: wake up moron, most people use alias's on the web. it's a playground fool, or is your brain so foggy it cannot realize this?

g: If anyone needs to look in the mirror IT'S YOU!

g: You belong in a padded cell somewhere where they don't allow the inmates access to computers.

g: I think the majority of the posters here will probably agree with my evaluation of you. you may have one fan among these groups, but I really doubt it.

Gandalf

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Date: 01/20/02 09:07:16 PM

Ron Harvey: (rsnm10@hotmail.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski: (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

Dear Raymond,

rh: > What is it you are trying to accomplish here?

rk: Share Truth!

rh: > Are you a Christian?

rk: No, I am a Christ!

rh: > Why are you posting profanities here?

rk: I've posted no profanities here. If you are referring to the comments of "neykomi lee" in an earlier reply to this thread, (See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch49.htm#Rethinking ) I was merely sharing with this forum the comments typical of the conditioned infected consciousness of a worldly ignoramus.

rh: > Normally, I try to ignore persons whose postings offend the Lord of heaven and earth.

rk: What a presumptious statement for anyone (but a Christian) to make? So you are THE ONE who is the protector of the ears of the "Lord of heaven and earth."

rh: > But I guess that I might see some hope in you. You really should not use this board as a medium for the expression of your anger, nor is this a place for your dirty laundry.

rk: As long as these forums profess to invite Truth to their readership, Christian bigots who claim to be the EARMUFFS of the "Lord of heaven and earth" will have to bear the slings and arrows of Hell on Earth.

rh: > If you have anything of a spiritual nature to submit for discussion, I would like to hear it.

rk: What you are looking for IN SPADES is found on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm In the meantime you'll just have to settle for what the Spirit of Intelligence provides on a piecemeal basis.

rh: > What I (and possibly others) do not want to hear is the same rambling and ranting that so many secular boards revel in.

rk: Religious bigots possessed of a narrow vision must eventually swallow the bitter pill of Truth if their spiritual malady is to be reversed. What makes your technique of censorship essentially different from "gandalf" (see below)? Pretentious phonies don all kinds of masks and claim all sorts of affiliations, don't they?

rh: Thank you for considering this message.

rh: With Faith and Love,

Ron Harvey

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

gandalf_thegreat@mail.com (Gandalf) wrote:

rk: Folks, pay attention to the present character assassination campaign underway by disinformation agents such as "gandalf" and other AFAB Disinformation Agents who have recently abandoned their traditional anonymity handles and are now posting under other fictitious names.

rk: Same choir - different names.

rk: Most of you reading this are pretty much fed up and bored with this 7-year-long Internet smear campaign directed toward me (and other Internet individuals) by government/media sponsored/supported anonymous cowardly disinformation agents and wish it would just go away.

rk: Is this not exactly the aim of such relentless assaults directed toward citizens by government and media bureaucracies and their "hired guns?" This technique of "wearing out" the patience and energy of citizens is a ploy that almost all citizens have recognized in their relationships with government at some time or another.

rk: These cowardly anonymous disinformation agents have "pulled out all the stops" over the years to prevent my writing from reaching the newsgroups and forums on the Internet. It continues to this very day. Yet with all of their collective efforts, they have failed to stop the words of a single man of Truth, a Christ.

rk: Now, I recognize that most of you do not understand what I express in my writing (as it is TOO SIMPLE for your conditioned, complexity-oriented intellects to grasp) and so are alienated and even insulted by such simple Truth.

rk: I may have belabored the term IGNORAMUS to get my point across that UNAWARENESS is the DISEASE of the modern day CIVILIZED mind; and since most of you live in that dualistic, Satanic (Opposer) ruled realm of Intellect, damn near all of you are turned off by it. It is not surprising. Truth is a hard pill to swallow for intellects bathed in ignorance.

rk: Many wonder whether I am a genuine Christ, a man of Truth. How can you be expected to understand that simple TRUTH when your political and religious conditioned intellects are ruled by the ILLUSIONS of force, fear, and mysticism?

rk: Although the average person reading this cannot grasp the essence of this Truth until they have dissolved the conditioned barriers which block them from such direct perception, there is a simple and inarguable way to assess the genuineness of one who possesses Christ Consciousness.

rk: In the last seven years my words have been roundly attacked. My reputation and the reputations of my wife and children have also been attacked. There has not been one stone left unturned in their collective attempt to destroy my credibility; yet with each attack, all they have accomplished is to PUT TO THE TEST and SPOTLIGHT the unshakable BALANCE of a Christ, a simple man of Truth.

rk: The evidence to support this may be found on my bulletin board at: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

rk: See it for yourselves!

rk: Although the assaults continue to the present day, those who have been following this campaign can see the diminishment of the cowardly attackers and undisturbed balance of a Christ.

rk: The following is just one example of the level of deceit exhibited by just one of these Government/Media sponsored/supported disinformation Agents.

rk: It is being presented because the technique shift you will observe occurred within just 24 hours.

rk: "What a Difference a Day Makes -- 24 little hours."

rk: On Jan 19th, "Gandalf the Great" wrote:

g: > what makes you think that your word and your word only is what people should follow?

g: > aren't other people intitled to their own opinions and beliefs?

g: > your thinking is so narrow and clouded that you cannot appreciate diverse opinions and see other's points of view.

g: > Why waste your time trying to convince everyone that YOU Raymond Karczewski are right and they MUST adhere to what you believe?

g: > You waste too much time posting messages on usenet groups and receive no results for your efforts.

g: > while you proclaim that you've achieved 'Christhood', you display yourself as an Angry person who has much guilt and torment from many years.

g: > this is probably why most people either mock you, ignore you, or dismiss you as a fool, or madman.

g: > Why do you continue to torment yourself this way?

g: > let it go. take your wife and go on a long journey.

g: > learn to appreciate what's great about this world, not what's evil in it.

g: > Raymond, you're making your own HELL, and you could be making your own HEAVEN if you wanted to, but you choose to live a miserable life.

g: > try focusing on doing that and then maybe you'll have really achieved what one refer's to as 'Christhood' and then by setting example rather then preaching at the Choir, you/ll possibly have many followers.

9 Jan 2002 15:34:05 -0800

g: > If anyone here is deceptive it's you Raymond. I offered some advice to you, because you seem to be suffering quite a bit, but now my empathy for you is starting to diminish because you're putting words in my mouth and you're lying.

g: > I have no respect for Liars and people who twist what others say to fit their own personal agenda and Raymond I don't know, or care what your "Real Agenda" is and do not want to know.

Gandalf

g: anyone can do a search on you and get a complete posting history, but all it takes is to read one, or two of your articles to realize that you're off your rocker. I sent you an email and you posted it without my permission, but I posted my original email so everyone could view it's original form.

g: wake up moron, most people use alias's on the web. it's a playground fool, or is your brain so foggy it cannot realize this?

g: If anyone needs to look in the mirror IT'S YOU!

g: You belong in a padded cell somewhere where they don't allow the inmates access to computers.

g: I think the majority of the posters here will probably agree with my evaluation of you. you may have one fan among these groups, but I really doubt it.

Gandalf

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Date: 01/21/02 03:12:19 PM

Ken Hoeck (TOTW) (TruthOnWeb@aol.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

kh: Mt 24:24 For there shall arise FALSE CHRISTS, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

kh: Mr 13:22 For FALSE CHRISTS and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

rk: Can anyone envision a more effective mind control lock upon the Satanic ruled Intellects of religion-conditioned blind believers than the above Bible verses?

rk: Kinda guarantees ignorance and enslavement, and yes, even eternal damnation of those who have *fallen from grace* and are conditioned to BELIEVE they can't get up!!

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Date: 01/21/02 09:34:20 PM

Ken Hoeck (TOTW) TruthOnWeb@aol.com

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

kh: This is the bible - the word of God- that you are insulting. One should take care I will not bring any accusation upon you but let the Lord rebuke you.

rk: Lest you forget, my Spiritual Brother Jesus was strung up for blasphemy by the religious and political leaders of His time.

rk: In a BASSACKWARD human society ruled by mysticism and illusion (for what else are hypnotically-imposed thought based beliefs?) a simple man/woman of truth, a Christ -- one who speaks, lives and resonates at-one with the unmistakable, nondualistic essence of Truth -- must eventually Mirror the dualistic Satanic illusion of power in relationship and thus expose it to those who have "the (spiritual) eyes to see and the ears to hear." Such simple and inarguable revelation necessarily threatens the POWER MONOPOLY of Societal Satanic Leadership.

rk: The simple fact is that ALL THOUGHT based structures and organizations, be they religious and/or political are SATANIC in nature. It is so common, so pervasive that the ignorant are unaware of it and so, regard it as NORMAL.

rk: Millions upon millions who live their lives perceiving the nondualistic Truth of their existence through the dualistic filters of Satanic (Opposer) driven Intellects live their lives in confusion, contradiction, suffering, pain and violence; for in their ignorance, they know not that they have been TRAINED to worship the god of thought, SATAN.

rk: As a Christian, look to your own statement made to another. Transcend the superficial "Letter of the Word" which has been methodically drummed into you through Bible study and images inculcated into your consciousness through repetitive, hypnotic conditioning over extended periods of time. Delve deeply within. Open your spiritual eyes. Ask yourself. Are the words you've expressed in this post based in nondualistic love or are they founded in dualistic fear and power?

rk: Ken, you, and Ron Harvey have, in this thread, demonstrated to the world the unmistakable spirit of Christian bigotry. It is inarguable. Look again at the words you have expressed above. Look closely. See if they don't reflect the corrupted spirit of religious hypocrisy -- that SATANIC, conflicted, contradictory energy which has been the bane of Civilization since Satanic Leaders killed the Man called Christ some 2000 years ago, then promptly constructed a myth and a religion out of it.

rk: You will have to excuse me, ron, but I find your attempted "curse" as impotent as the one who utters it.

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Date: 01/21/02 03:12:19 PM

Ken Hoeck (TOTW) (TruthOnWeb@aol.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

kh: Mt 24:24 For there shall arise FALSE CHRISTS, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

kh: Mr 13:22 For FALSE CHRISTS and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

rk: Can anyone envision a more effective mind control lock upon the Satanic ruled Intellects of religion-conditioned blind believers than the above Bible verses?

rk: Kinda guarantees ignorance and enslavement, and yes, even eternal damnation of those who have *fallen from grace* and are conditioned to BELIEVE they can't get up!!

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Jan 22, 2002, 5:10 am:

I apologize to the readers of Town Square Forum for the duplicate posting of this article. (Re: Internet Censorship by Bigots and Disinformation Agents ).

Since my posts are routinely removed from this forum by the Town Square Moderator as fast as I put them up (with the exception of posts in my name posted by unknown persons like the one preceeding this article), I did not look any further and so did not see the original of this post still standing.

We are in some strange times, are we not?

CAREFUL WHAT YOU READ!

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Date: 01/22/02 07:43:12 AM

Ron Harvey (rsnm10@hotmail.com) wrote:

OK Raymond,

You have demonstrated your antichirist spirit for everyone to see; "Satanic Leaders killed the Man called Christ some 2000 years ago, then promptly constructed a myth and a religion out of it." You have stated that Jesus was ONLY a man and that his disciples are fools. I have news for you; Jesus is God. You will see this for yourself very soon. Be on you way, you poor soul.

"Ken, you, and Ron Harvey have, in this thread, demonstrated to the world the unmistakable spirit of Christian bigotry."

Def; Bigot-a person who is intolerant of any belief, creed or race that is not his own. Sorry, Raymond. I tolerate every wicked belief and creed. I do not give them any mind, though. If I and Ken were bigots, we would be trying to eliminate everything which is not of God. That is God's job. And he will do it.

The words I have expressed are not based on your "nondualistic" mumbo-jumbo. They are the truth. You have denied the Son and you therefore deny the Father. The end of them that do such is clear. Unless, in your "nondualistic" world, Heaven is Hell, and Hell is Heaven.

with Faith and Love,

Ron Harvey

rk: Ron Harvey, in his effort at "damage control" to his religious conditioned ego laid bare, later wrote to Ken Hoeck in the same forum:

01/22/02 07:46:19 AM

Ron Harvey (rsnm10@hotmail.com) wrote:

rh: ..What are we to do with Raymond? My suggestion is to ignore his posts as I would ignore a barking dog. If you have other ideas, I would be glad to hear. Ron

rk: Quite an interesting comment from one who moments before wrote: "If I and Ken were bigots, we would be trying to eliminate everything which is not of God." yet here you are putting your heads together planning damage control strategies.

rk: Hell, isn't it?

Date: 01/22/02 11:00:15 AM

Ken Hoeck (TOTW) (TruthOnWeb@aol.com) Wrote:

kh: Did he tell you he is posing part of our responses on his dubious website?

kh: Interesting fella, this Raymond. Very New Age in his ideas ... yet I believe he is harmless.

The evidence of your quandary when meeting a man of Truth is quite evident to all.

As far as "fools" go (your words, ron, not mine) you demonstrate the ignorance and inertia which grips the present Christian world of Conditioned Believers.

Were you both able to rub two pennies together, between the two of you, your contribution to the light of the world amounts to "two cents."

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Date: 01/22/02 03:28:59 PM

Ken Hoeck (TOTW) TruthOnWeb@aol.com wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

kh: > Raymond, please state BRIEFLY your intent here.

kh: > Have you come here to insult and attempt to mock others?

rk: NO!

kh: You seem to do that every few posts or so.

rk: On the Contrary, I merely mirror the "WHAT IS" as is manifested in the muddled consciousness of BLIND BELIEVERS. It is the accurate revelation of the muddleness that is taken as insult by those who feel the pain of their "conditioned ignorance."

kh: Is that the kind of "love" you promote?

rk: What other kind of "love" is there but to reflect with absolute honesty and truthfulness that which eludes the grasp of the "spiritually blind?"

kh: Also please tell answer these two simple questions:

kh: Is the bible the record of the Word of God?

rk: It is the record of a culturally conditioned interpretation by men who have been trained to perceive GOD in a PARTICULAR LIGHT. Otherwise ALL would see the same Truth. But they don't, do they?

kh: Is Jesus the Son of God who lived, died, and now lives forevermore?

rk: YES! And so am I. And so are you. And so are others who have recovered their Spiritual Senses (Christ Consciousness) through understanding and rising above the Satanic Influence of Intellectual Religious Conditioning. That is the Resurrection of Spirit, the Rebirth Process, the Return To Grace. At present Ken, you and Ron are merely demonstrating the Ignorance of civilized man since his "FALL FROM GRACE."

kh: Your answer to those questions should be enough for readers to decide whether or not to listen to your prattle.

rk: Have you noticed that neither you nor Ron Harvey are capable of speaking of anything Spiritual without being tethered to the dead words of dead people; i.e., scriptures and their writers? That is a trait shared by all ignoramuses who live a vicarious existence yet hide their ignorance behind positive sounding words and images. Some call that hypocrisy. What do you call it? Have you no spiritual energy of your own? Perhaps readers will pick up on that obvious trait shared by all ignorant but prideful believers.

kh: Have you studied Madame Blavotsky's Theosophy because it sure sounds like it?

rk: NO!

rh: Your new age beliefs about Christ are not inline with the scriptures.

rk: I have no BELIEFS! I am guided in the eternal moment by the Holistic (Holy) Spirit of Divine Intelligence. I do not express the essence of time-bound knowledge. I express the simple eternal TRUTH. It is no wonder that you find my writing "not inline" with the scriptures.

kh: I state, unequivocably, you are not a Christ...there was one Christ (Messiah) per the bible ...not from Christian leaders.

rk: You are in no position to state anything "UNEQUIVOCABLE," except, that is of course, your own SPIRITUAL IGNORANCE.

kh: As to being a "conditioned believer" I will tell you that God indeed "conditioned" my heart to submit to Him. I do not blindly follow the word of men.

rk: You speak words gained from the conditioning of a Satanic ruled Intellect. Your essence of expression indicates you are incapable of speaking TRUTH, which lies well BEYOND the realm of a dualistic Intellect. You worship the concept of "god," yet you know not that the "god" of Intellect is none other than Satan. You have yet to experience that infinite, unbounded, unknown eternal essence that IS GOD! That doesn't bode well for anyone not capable of rising above such ignorance, does it?

kh: Not "Christian" men and especially not other men as yourself. I agree that mainstream Christianity took a wrong turn some centuries ago .. but the people on this board are not of that mainstream flavor.

rk: There you have it in your own words, the very proof you seek yet are certain to deny because it is HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT to all blind believers. There are no twists and turns in TRUTH, there is only WHAT IS. Your words are the words of a Hell-Bound Dualistic Intellect, for twists and turns is all that you are and have been familiar with in this lifetime.

kh: Will you respond with more insults?

rk: I have responded with TRUTH. Whether you consider it insulting is clearly up to you, isn't it?

kh: Will you tell me how ignorant you think I and the others here are?

rk: No need. It is Self-evident, is it not?

kh: Have I tried to "damage control" things concerning you? Why would I? Have you done me any damage?

rk: Do not tarry at the periphery of a belief-ridden Intellect. Delve deeper and perhaps you will SEE what presently eludes you NOW.

kh: I don't see where you have ... as I said you are harmless to others ... even though you maybe harmful to yourself.

rk: Out of an original self-professed judgment of "harmlessness" you have managed to end up with a judgment of "harmfulness." Perhaps you will see the obvious CONTRADICTION IN ESSENCE which rules your Satanic dualistic Intellect, for it cannot remain hidden when one stands before a Mirror of Truth. As a scripture quoter you must have "memorized" the admonition "Judge not lest ye be judged." Now you've gained first hand experience of the essence of that statement beyond mere words.

kh: I am the board moderator and if I did seek to censure you then I would just begin deleting your posts.

rk: Now it makes sense as to why ron harvey ran to you to ask what you two are going to do with my writing on your forum.

rk: This is a Spiritual Growth experience, not only for you, Ken, but for your readers. It remains up to you to demonstrate the level of Integrity possessed by Ken Hoek as a Moderator and a Christian, doesn't it?

kh: I have not done this ... even though that is probably what you want so you can add another whining protest on your website of how the ignorant Christians banned you from their boards.

rk: Isn't it interesting that the words of one man should have such a wide impact upon those who control the newsgroups and forums on the Internet that they should bar his input into groups which profess to promote free speech and dialogue?

rk: You may consider my naming of these groups on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm to be a whining protest, for you THINK in terms of dualistic PROTEST. That is the Satanic way, is it not? No, ken, I named those groups just to expose the hypocrisy which is rampant on the net, yet hidden from the sight of blind ignoramuses who believe what others tell them.

rk: I do not ask for anyone's belief. I State TRUTH, and one either SEES it or they DON'T. That is the difference between the consciousness of a Christ and the dualistic consciousness of a divisive Satanic Intellect.

kh: So Raymond, please answer the two questions briefly and directly for our readers. Thank you.

rk: Done. You're welcome!

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