When I was going through basic training in the Army, it was required of me to directly experience the effect of tear gas before expecting to employ it.

When I was in law enforcement, it was required of me to directly experience the effect of chemical mace before carrying it and/or employing it.

Might it not be reasonable to expect that our Senators and Congressmen be subjected to the effect of TORTURE before they pass legislation authorizing its use on American citizens?

Call, email and snail mail your legislators and insist that if they are going to "TALK THE TALK", the least they can do is " WALK THE WALK."

Let them take responsibility for the passing of such draconian laws by directly experiencing the effects of torture before they so whimsically decide to foist it upon others.

WAKE UP, FOLKS. It's time to take our country back!!

The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

No child abuser has room to preach

Re: Congress and Torture: Talk the Talk or Walk the Walk?!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:17:07 GMT

From: Christ did not abuse children (unknown)

You haven't seen your own children for decades because of the torture you put them through, and you will NOT, I repeat NOT preach now about how bloody holy you are. Christ did not abuse or torture children period. Fall silent in shame.

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So you refuse to answer the simplest question?

Re: Congress and Torture: Talk the Talk or Walk the Walk?!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:35:34 GMT

From: You're a HYPOCRITE, not a Christ (unknown)

If someone invades your home and kills your children, you should not "foist" prosecution and imprisonment for murder on that person if you yourself have not experienced prosecution and imprisonment for murder? This is just plain bad thinking, and fails to take into account a fundamental truth. Anyone engaged in the criminal taking of life has forfeited many of their rights under the law and social codes because they themselves have viciously acted to abrogate them.

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Take this to heart Ray. Your ignorance is painful

Re: Good argument, but you don't take it far enough. (Liberal Panda - still waiting.)

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:53:54 GMT

From: You preach out of ignorance & meglomania (unknown)

Overcome your own malice and vice before you presume to preach to anyone. You know nothing of Christ and never will given your satanic arrogance and buse of others. If you want to learn what it is to be a Christ, let go of your viciousness and hatred, and understand exactly how you have allowed them to destroy your soul and mind.

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So you are against all prosecutions of crime?

Re: but sound conclusion

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:26:03 GMT

From: Smug self-complacency &hypocrisy (unknown)

Unless you have suffered prosecution and imprisonment for violent crime, you are unwilling to stop anyone else from murdering whomever they want? Really? You are begging the question, and couching it in false self-righteousness. The first thing you'd demand if someone assaulted you with intent to kill is demand that person be prosecuted in court and put away, even if you yourself never did anything like that in your life, and therefore never underwent prosecution and imprisonment. It is a too easy and facile disease of our complacent feel-good culture to condemn those charged with protecting the public safety and law as savages. Yet they're the first ones you go running to crying for help when you need it.

Reply

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:37:31 GMT

From: Hypocrite (unknown)

hypocrite: What about the torture you put your children through?

hypocrite: You have no room to talk given your history. Save your empty pontifications for someone who gives a damn. Hypocrite.

From: Liberal Panda - still waiting.(unknown)

lp: Good argument, but you don't take it far enough.

lp: By your impeccable logic, no doctor should be able to treat a patient unless that doctor has first contracted the disease he would be treating.

lp: Also, no judge should decide a case unless he had committed the crime of the accused, nor could a judge pass sentence unless he had been incarcerated himself.

lp: Finally, no minister should be allowed to preach of God or any afterlife unless he himself had died and witnessed it firsthand.

rk: What you have just demonstrated is the ignorance which inevitably arises from the limitation of logic -- the fragmented, linear scientific approach to the understanding of the nonlinear holistic essence of TRUTH, a nondualistic energy which always lies beyond the realm of dualistic knowledge and belief.

rk: Were logic to be used in the resolution of dead, mechanical, technical problems, there would be no issue to discuss.

rk: But when functioning from the state of blind, intellectual limitation (IGNORANCE), logic applied to the resolution of misperceived, nontechnical (living) problems by blind Satanically driven Intellects, the eternal dualistic conflict and suffering of HELL is all that civilized mankind can expect. Look at the societies of the world. The evidence of that is all around you, but who amongst you have the Spiritual eyes to SEE it? What's more, when finally seen, who amongst you have the energy required to do something about it!

rk: Such is the outcome of Spiritual IGNORANCE and APATHY!!

rk: As in all BASSACKWARD realms of civilized societies, Satanic worshipping intellectual and mind controlling politicians and ministers who make up the two sides of the same coin of power, play an important part in the misdirection of the populace from their holistic, balanced state of Consciousness, the CHRIST State of Consciousness.

rk: As far as the present corrupt judicial system is concerned, "DON'T GET ME STARTED!!"

rk: Doctors with integrity will be the first to tell you THEY DON'T HEAL.

rk: Doctors are body mechanics -- no more, no less.

rk: Stay healthy, stay whole, and doctors play a minimal role in your life. Succumb to the Mind Control Conditioning of the Medical/Pharmaceutical drug-dispensing industry, and you will find that YOU OWE YOUR SOUL TO THE COMPANY STORE!

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Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:32:03 -0800

"gordon" (gordon@newsguy.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

g: Ray... you say some interesting stuff.

rk: Come on, gordon, my Spiritual Brother. Why should such simple Truth be regarded merely as "Interesting Stuff?" Could it be such simplicity is considered foreign to a Satanically ruled, technically oriented Intellect conditioned toward complexity?

rk: That is why I use use the word BASSACKWARD so often in describing a world of dualistic thought and its Satanic hold over the conditioned minds of civilized man.

rk: The truth is inescapable. Man "thinks" he is pursuing the goal of Heaven, of Spiritual Liberation, with all of its clergy-generated "warm and fuzzy" positive images, while with each step taken he digs himself deeper into the depths of Hell. Yet in his unawareness, he remains oblivious to it all.

rk: The simple fact is that only in the Intellect one experiences the Satanic "Opposite" to holistic Truth, to Divine Intelligence. Truth is omnipresent. One merely has to stop the chatter of one's dualistic Intellect to SEE it, to BE it!! In that timeless moment of insight, one transcends the realm of dualism and is "the Truth, the Life, and the Way." That, gordon, is Christ Consciousness.

rk: Just look at the Hell that is raised by pointing out such inarguable simplicity to Satanically ruled Intellects.

rk: My best to you, gordon!

Re: Congress and Torture: Talk the Talk or Walk the Walk?!

Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:37:31 GMT

From: Hypocrite (unknown)

h: What about the torture you put your children through?

h: You have no room to talk given your history. Save your empty pontifications for someone who gives a damn. Hypocrite.

From: Liberal Panda - still waiting.(unknown)

lp: Good argument, but you don't take it far enough.

lp: By your impeccable logic, no doctor should be able to treat a patient unless that doctor has first contracted the disease he would be treating.

lp: Also, no judge should decide a case unless he had committed the crime of the accused, nor could a judge pass sentence unless he had been incarcerated himself.

lp: Finally, no minister should be allowed to preach of God or any afterlife unless he himself had died and witnessed it firsthand.

rk: What you have just demonstrated is the ignorance which inevitably arises from the limitation of logic -- the fragmented, linear scientific approach to the understanding of the nonlinear holistic essence of TRUTH, a nondualistic energy which always lies beyond the realm of dualistic knowledge and belief.

rk: Were logic to be used in the resolution of dead, mechanical, technical problems, there would be no issue to discuss.

rk: But when functioning from the state of blind, intellectual limitation (IGNORANCE), logic applied to the resolution of misperceived, nontechnical (living) problems by blind Satanically driven Intellects, the eternal dualistic conflict and suffering of HELL is all that civilized mankind can expect. Look at the societies of the world. The evidence of that is all around you, but who amongst you have the Spiritual eyes to SEE it? What's more, when finally seen, who amongst you have the energy required to do something about it!

rk: Such is the outcome of Spiritual IGNORANCE and APATHY!!

rk: As in all BASSACKWARD realms of civilized societies, Satanic worshipping intellectual and mind controlling politicians and ministers who make up the two sides of the same coin of power, play an important part in the misdirection of the populace from their holistic, balanced state of Consciousness, the CHRIST State of Consciousness.

rk: As far as the present corrupt judicial system is concerned, "DON'T GET ME STARTED!!"

rk: Doctors with integrity will be the first to tell you THEY DON'T HEAL.

rk: Doctors are body mechanics -- no more, no less.

rk: Stay healthy, stay whole, and doctors play a minimal role in your life. Succumb to the Mind Control Conditioning of the Medical/Pharmaceutical drug-dispensing industry, and you will find that YOU OWE YOUR SOUL TO THE COMPANY STORE!

Reply

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:27:09 GMT

From: Ed (unknown)

rk: NOTE: Same article was posted on Town Square Forum and the alt.fan.art-bell newsgroup with different titles and different id handles. Pay attention to ed wilkinson's use of the two aliases in order to promote the same article. It allows him to avoid the spam issue, does it not? Such tactic is typical of disinformation agents wherein one person using multiple aliases creates the illusion of being a crowd and forming consensus.

alt.fan. art-bell

From: Agent Sir Ed (agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com)

Date: 2001-11-11 03:40:05 PST

ed: arkook@kookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) babbled in message

ed: (crap snipped, for the sake of the children)

rk: >> you contacted the Administrator of the Medford Mail Tribune Forum and complained about me.

ed: > Damn right I did, you were libeling me, saying I was "under FBI investigation" when I wasn't.

rk: I can assure you, ed wilkinson, you, "tim hill," and a host of others WERE and ARE being investigated by the FBI. The fact that the FBI and other high level federal government officials and media were/are STONE WALLING the American People regarding the results of this investigation is another matter.

rk: They are, in government parlance, employing the age old ploy of CYA (Cover Your Ass!). They understand they are sitting on a timebomb of an exposed Intelligence operation used against the American People that can blow the present government away before it is ready to sell out the American People out to the New World Order. Now, for the US Government, it is just a matter of hoping this "War on Terrorism" speeds up their timetable of stripping away all rights of the American People who presently slumber away their FREEDOM.

rk: To the American people frozen in fear of the present accelerated assault by government upon their God-given and Constitutional Rights and FREEDOM, remember this -- NO ONE HAS POWER OVER YOU UNLESS YOU GIVE IT TO THEM!

rk: >> You contacted the Oregonians Town Square Forum Administrator and complained about me.

ed: > Yup. Same reason.

rk: >> You contacted several Insurance Agents mentioning my name.

ed: > Yup...I was concerned that since you didn't have insurance or a driver's license, that you were endangering people.

rk: My insurance was and remains intact without any break in time to this very day. My reason for not possessing a driver's license was and is widely shared with the American Public. See http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

rk: So now, perhaps you will explain to the world the reason(s) behind your concern that such responsible conduct constitutes the "endangering" of others? That is, of course, other than your indisputable intention to libel, defame, and/or destroy the reputation of another?

rk: >> You contacted Rogue Valley Internet, my ISP, and complained about me.

ed: > Yup...same reason: you were libeling me, posting that I was "under FBI Investigation," when it wasn't true.

rk: See above statement regarding you, "tim hill" and the others.

rk: While you're at it, read the articles linked to http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm You presently live in psychological LaLa Land if you feel this Government/media sponsored/supported disinformation/mind control issue on the Internet is over.

rk: >> You contacted the Salem office of the DMV and complained about me

ed: > "Complained"? Nope, I wanted them to explain the law that said that if you don't have a valid driver's license, that you could not have valid insurance, as insurance applies only to those with legitimate driver's licenses.

rk: Your rationalizations are those of a vicious, cowardly character assassin who now stands unmasked in the light of Truth, instead of a real man who has the integrity to own up to his malicious actions.

rk: >> You contacted Salem to confirm Anita had a Business license to operate in Oregon under Ark Enterprises.

ed: > Nope, another lie, kazoo! I don't care one whit about Anita's or your dba.

rk: >> You indicated an appointment with your attorney to file suit against me, but nothing came of it.

ed: > It cost too much money, and I figured you'd self-destruct, (as you seem to be doing!) plus, my demand that you stop libeling me regarding a so-called "FBI Investigation" seems to have taken heed with you...you eventually stopped your lying about that.

rk: How could I write about agent sir ed when you had dropped that handle and were writing under a host of aliases, such as my "neighbor" in Oregon. All the reader has to do is read the articles marked with *** and they will see your handiwork. Your dyslexic style of writing gives you away.

rk: >> You promised to make several appointments with the Medford office of the FBI, but couldn't make them under one pretext or another.

ed: > Kazoo, m'man, you keep making up lie after lie...I went to the office and no one answered the door, I went again, no one answered, and I called, no one called back.

rk: Point out the lie, ed wilkinson. In the above statement you acknowledge the truth of what I said. The remainder is a fabrication which you hoped would bring closure and allow you to scrape the egg off your face. I hope you have the name of the purported FBI agent who you claimed told you the UFO story. We'll see if such an agent can be located and is employed by the FBI and if any such contact took place.

ed: > Eventually, as you well know, I DID eventually contact an agent at that office who told me your claims had no merit...and he told me a story of the couple that always called them, reporting that a UFO had landed in their back yard and was beaming Mind-Control messages to them, concluding by saying "we constantly get nutcases calling us, claiming goofy things like that."

rk: Your subject titled "FBI declares Raymond Karczewski a "nutcase" and posted to the Town Square Forum is a *Libel.* I understand that libel per se does not fall within the investigative jurisdiction of the FBI, but *conspiracy to libel* does. This latest libel is, however, part and parcel of the ongoing, unbroken, 6-year-long campaign of "Conspiracy to Libel" complaint which I submitted to the Medford, Oregon FBI office on Nov 2, 1997. It is this latest link in the chain of evidence of such conspiracy that is going to nail you and your government/media sponsored/supported disinformation cohorts. Until any FBI agent is prepared to back up your statement that allowed you to publish "FBI declares Raymond Karczewski a "nutcase", you have, once again LIBELED me.

rk: I submit further that if such a statement was indeed made by an FBI official stating that "Raymond Karczewski is a 'nutcase.' that that Agent employed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation has also libeled me and he and his agency must be held responsible. Let the evidence be produced to substantiate the statement "FBI declares Raymond Karczewski a "nutcase." and let the "chips fall where they may!".

rk: ATTENTION FBI: I demand an investigation of this latest libel made by ed wilkinson and/or by an as yet unidentified Medford Oregon FBI Agent.

rk: ATTENTION JUSTICE DEPT: Attorney General John Ashcroft: Please see that the FBI does its job.

rk: What's more, let's see if there are any Congressmen or Senators (Senators Wyden and Smith of Oregon needn't apply -- they have already displayed their leadership mettle, and they were found lacking.) out there who are worthy of their office and have had enough of this Government/Media sponsored/supported mind control operation on the Internet TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!

rk: >> You indicated an intention to contact the Josephine County Sheriff and complain about me. . .

ed: > I don't think I ever got around to that, sorry. Too many things to do and too little time!

rk: Frantic little troublemaker, aren't you?

ed: >>> "Hmmm, interesting, so Kazoo's license is ALREADY suspended? I'll let Sheriff Daniels know, and also that the Kazoo has an unpaid ticket and arrest warrant out on him in California

ed: > Did you ever take care of that arrest warrant, kazoo? Do you now have one in Oregon? Pretty pathetic for an ex-cop, huh?!

rk: >> ed:1 "I would never complain to a person's ISP because I believe in the free intercourse of ideas."

rk: >> ed:2 "You should call CDS and complain. Someone needs to take Ray to task for his shameless behavior..."

ed: > For the FREE INTERCOURSE OF IDEAS, of course I wouldn't complain. But, kazoo, you were libeling me in a very serious way, you were posting far and wide that I was "under FBI Investigation" which was a complete and total lie on your part. That's what I complained about...

rk: See above statement regarding you, "tim hill" and the others.

rk: >> ed:4 "I will meet with rvi.com (my ISP rk) tomorrow, to let them know that you are telling people I am "under FBI investigation."

ed: > See?

rk: >> Perhaps you will understand you have indicted yourself with your own computer keyboard. However, such apparent incompetence will not provide for a defense for your government/media sponsored/supported disinformation activity on the Internet when you and the identities of your government, Intelligence, media, and cult handlers are exposed from the witness stand.

ed: > Uh...yeah, right, kazoo! My "handlers" that beam messages to me from the NSA? Don't you realize what a blithering fool you look like?

ed: > Oh well!

ed: > Don't you see how truly goofy you look, Kazoo? You're a kook! There IS no Internet Mind Control Project, and there is no Mind Control being conducted by the government on the newsgroup alt.fan.art-bell, and to read you saying that is so goofy and whacko that I almost cringe with embarassment for you!

rk: Back in 1995 I was writing about the "NEW WORLD ORDER." I was assailed as a Kook, that no such thing as the "NEW WORLD ORDER" existed. The present-day defamation campaign waged not only against me but also my family, was waged then, but only against me. Not able then to dampen the words of a Christ, they resorted to subsequent attacks upon my family. Let the readers see for themselves the copyrighted preface and summary of "Christs with Amnesia" at http://www.arkenterprises.com/essence.htm#Preface The present-day events may come as a surprise to most hypnotically entranced Americans, but they come as no surprise to this Christ.

ed: > Man, I'm a good writer, huh?!

ed: >Well, it's getting late, kazoo...I've been working on a project all evening, and I got's t'go t'bed, so...toodles!

Ed

ed: > (end Internet Mind Control Project Thought Beam/)

Reply

Raymond Karczewski

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:15:06 GMT

From: Damned bad thinking man (unknown)

unk: Your lack of minimal thinking skills is getting you into serious trouble again. Why do you think the only person who could have cross-posted from the Art Bell group would be Ed? You are wrong. He wrote it, but did not cross-post it. Once posts are public domain, anyone can do what you do and cross-post to kingdom come.

Re: Raymond Karczewski (Damned bad thinking man)

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:51:12 GMT

From: No one cares. (unknown)

Why do this?

unk: No one cares about Ray's fights on other forums, so please stop cross-posting anything relating to Ray here.

rk: Unk. writes: "Why do you think the only person who could have cross-posted from the Art Bell group would be Ed? You are wrong. He wrote it, but did not cross-post it."

rk: My question of unk. is -- how is it that you are so certain that ed wilkinson did not issue forth both posts, unless you reposted the article or have knowledge of who posted it?

rk: Perhaps you would like to identify yourself with your real name to back up such "mitigating" evidence for ed wilkinson. At present all you actually do is verify that ed wilkinson is party to a CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL!!

rk: You anonymous disinformation yahoos can CYA (cover your ass) all you want with these types of misdirecting statements, but only a thorough FBI investigation with full disclosure of its outcome to the American People is going to bring closure to this ongoing Government/media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation campaign which threatens the future viability of this Country.

rk: The greatest proof offered by Government and Media which inarguably supports this issue of a government's use of its Intelligence community against the American People is its four year long unyielding NATIONWIDE STONEWALLING campaign of SILENCE. After all if there was no substance to it, would not the government jump at the chance to discredit such complaint?

rk: Darkness must prevail for a good sleep to be had by a controllable slumbering public. When the lights go on, people tend to awaken.

rk: The simple fact is that you folks out there aren't paying attention to how you personally contribute to the nightmare your lives have become. You cannot escape responsibility for your part in putting into office Congressmen and Senators who are passing sweeping legislation they have not even read (as in the latest Terrorist Bill) before giving their assent to it and thereby making it LAW. They are attempting to destroy the US Constitution piecemeal fashion. Yet you sit idly by.

rk: DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT-- WHILE YOU CAN!! Lend your signature to http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

rk: Let us TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRY!

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My Fellow Americans:

We are losing our Country. The few who rule the many have upped the ante, pushing us into a corner, restricting more of our freedoms with each passing day. Mention of the US Constitution is being considered a Terrorist Act and cause for arrest and detention of the person who still believes we live in a Constitutional Republic.

Are we a Nation gone crazy, or merely a Nation of idle "Talk the talk" sheeple rather than "Walk the walk" freemen?

My view is that our current leadership, the people we have put into offiice, no longer serves the interests of the American People. Their actions indicate they serve the interests of Corporate America and the New World Order.

Fear is being whipped up in the media, goading, prompting, seducing, challenging, threatening the American people to rise up in anger so our so-called leadership may cut through all of the incremental charades and bring in UN foreign Troops as an occupied force to insure the enslavement of the American People.

I have given the bloodless solution to this issue, but as yet have not broken through the Trance of Fear which binds the conditioned Collective American mind.

If our country and Constitution is to survive, every freedom-loving person must do his/her part. Now is NOT the time to take up the gun. To do so is to play into the hands of those who have planned for such a contingency.

Why not take action which they have no defense for and are impotent to deal with?! NATIONAL BOYCOTT!

Read the following links, dated chronologically, past to present. You will know what to do.

For those who feel there is too much to read, I would ask you -- What is Your Freedom Worth?

TO KILL or NOT TO KILL.That is the question!!

Monday, 14-Feb-2000 10:47:22

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs3.htm#KILL

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Let's Have Ourselves a New World Order!!!

Saturday, 04-Mar-2000 14:49:58

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs3.htm#Order!!!

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The Second Coming of Christ

Thursday, 15-Jun-2000 00:24:06

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch19.htm#Second

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New World Order: Signs of the Times -- The Conditioning of a Populace

Aug. 25th, 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch19.htm#Times

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New World Order: Your Freedom or Your Life!!

Sept 2ndm 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch19.htm#Freedom

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America's Spiritual Revolution: Let the Ammo be Truth not Bullets!

Oct. 4th, 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs5.htm#Ammo

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PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Stay Home--Don't Vote!!

Oct 17th, 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs6.htm#PRESIDENTIAL

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A Revolution in Human Consciousness: THE TRANSITION!!

Oct 26th, 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs7.htm#TRANSITION

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Will Man be Governed by a New Consciousness or a New World Order??

Nov 2nd, 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs8.htm#Governed

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I say, no Secession, No Revolution: Take Back Your Country -- the Balanced Way! Audio File

Nov 16th, 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs7.htm#Secession

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The American Public: INERT BASSACKWARD IGNORAMUSES!! or WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD MEN GONE?

Nov 17th, 2000

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs9.htm#Public

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The Disturbing Trend Toward Federal Police

Monday, 04-Dec-00 23:58:57

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs9.htm#Trend

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Re: America's Fall from Grace !

Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:57:51 -0600

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch10.htm#America's

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Human Race: Intelligence or Ignorance?

Jan 14th, 2001

http://arkenterprises.com/dialch11.htm#Race

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Restoring Our Constitutional Government -- SOLUTIONS!

Feb 19th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch13.htm#Restoring

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Restoring Our Constitutional Government -- SOLUTIONS! Part II

Mar 18th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch15.htm#Part

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Do not SINK to a NEW WORLD ORDER. RISE to a NEW WORLD CONSCIOUSNESS --- An Examination of Control, Power. Sovereignty and Freedom.

Mar 17th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch16.htm#SINK

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Historical Revisionism -- New World Order? Ah! United States of America, I knew you when. . . .

Mar 19th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch16.htm#Revisionism

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MAKE BOYCOTT, NOT WAR!!!

Apr 25th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch19.htm#BOYCOTT

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Christs and a New World Consciousness or Satanists and a New World Order?!!

June 26th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch25.htm#Christs

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Re: Restoring Our Constitutional Government -- SOLUTIONS!

7/4/2001, 12:50 pm,

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch26.htm#SOLUTIONS

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Man's Law: Satanic in Origin

July 6th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch26.htm#Origin

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"Resist Not Evil" --- Just Don't Feed It!!

Aug 27th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch34.htm#Resist

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Spiritual Heaven or Political Hell, YOUR CALL!!

Sept 14th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch37.htm#Heaven

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WAR, PEACE, AMERICA, and The NEW WORLD ORDER!

Sept 15th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch37.htm#WAR

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With Whom is America at War?

Sept 17th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch37.htm#War

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Disinformation: Government and the Patriot Movement -- Where is America Heading?

Sept 18th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch38.htm#Patriot

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The Illusion of the Elite/The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth

Sept 18th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch38.htm#Meek

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PRESIDENT BUSH Declares War on the American People!!

Sept 23, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch39.htm#War

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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Your Disdain forTruth Shall Be the WEAPON of Your Own Destruction!

Sept. 27th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch39.htm#AMERICA

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To HELL with the NEW WORLD ORDER: Peace is AT HAND!

Oct 8, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch41.htm#HELL

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AMERICANS: Put An End to Terrorism!

Oct. 31, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch43.htm#Terrorism

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Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE

Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:23:47 GMT

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch43.htm#Sanity

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WAR: Initiation or Retaliation?

Nov 4th, 2001

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch43.htm#WAR

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The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

Ray's isn't talking about freedom

Re: I have always thought

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:10:57 GMT

From: Ray thinks robots are plotting to gethim (unknown)

Ray's idea of freedom is living free off our tax money and issuing threats of physical violence on a regular basis because he is convinced robot conspirators are out to get him. He uses words similar to words sane people use, but he doesn't mean the same thing. He's got a long psychiatric history, and refuses to take his meds. Don't confuse real patrotism and adult conern about civil liberties with this guy's paranoid ranting about the New World Order robot conspirator plots to get him.

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You're not my fellow American. You're no American at all

Re: America: What Is Your Freedom Worth?!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:17:27 GMT

From: Your hate for America reeks (unknown)

You're a leech and social cancer. You have no right to call yourself an American given your virulent hate for the nation, for everyone around you, and for stealing the taxpayers money for decades on end and erfusing to contribute anything at all to American society.

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Yeah. Same old delusional tripe about martial law

Re: America: What Is Your Freedom Worth?!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:23:37 GMT

From: What about the FEMA concentration camps? (unknown)

You forgot the obligatory part of the screed about how FEMA has built all those concentration camps and is herding people into them even as we speak so the Nww World Order can more easily enslave us all. Get this you damned kook: we are at war and your psychotic little fantasies of persecution mean NOTHING to us.

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Hey Ray: here's an idea

Re: America: What Is Your Freedom Worth?!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:45:18 GMT

From: That's what the toilet's for my man (unknown)

Try FLUSHING your feces next time, instead of smearing it here. Thank you on behalf of Townsquare forum.

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In other words, there is no case

Re: Re: America: What Is Your Freedom Worth?!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:09:11 GMT

From: Just kook spewage, as usual (unknown)

Your original post was fraudulent, as are all the rest. If there is no case holding that citing the Constitution is terrorism, you lied. Pure and simple. No surprise here, just underscoring the fact that nothing that come sout of your mouth turns out to be true.

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So what you are saying is

Re: America: What Is Your Freedom Worth?!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:19:56 GMT

From: Youi lied AGAIN (unknown)

despite the fact you claimed citing the Constitution was being held to be illegal terrorism, there is no actual law saying so under either statute or common law, you cannot give any kind of information to readers that would enable them to verify your absurd claims, and any attempt to verify your absurd claims only shows what BASSACKWARDS SATANIC INTELLECT IGNORAMUSES people are who don't believe every damned myth you spam here. You know Ray, even for someone as intellectually retarded as you are, this is a shameful display of ignorance and aggression. You got caught lying ...again... and are angry about it. Here's one possible solution: stop lying, tell the truth, and back up what you're saying. If you can't, fall silent and spare us all this constant display of your abject mental illness.

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Ray wasn't a cop for 30 years

Re: Re: When A Christ Speaks -- Who Listens? (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:44:51 GMT

From: He was canned after about 5-6 years (unknown)

He got canned after about 6 years, ending in roughly 1970. Is Ray telling this lie too that he worked as a cop for 3 decades? Get real Ray: you were already accusing the Pacifica police of conspiring against you several decades ago, and you got so mentally ill in your delusions of conspiracies and persecution that they could not trust you with any kind of police work whatsoever. Enough of these lies already.

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Your life is the only nightmare here

Re: America or Amerika? -- YOUR CHOICE!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:56:10 GMT

From: Take control of your behavior and lives (unknown)

Posters here, except for you, are having fun. Sometimes mean-spirited fun, but none of it can be taken seriously even for a second. You and Anita are the only ones who feel the obsessive-compulsive need to post all your mental problems, vicious fights with people (here and from God knows what other Internet sites), and unending legal nightmares, all the while screeching about how the entire world is conspiring against you. Obviously you are the only ones living the "nightmare" you rant about in this post, since the rest of us can shut off the computer and have other things to do with our lives. At best you've got some adolescents making fun of your paranoia and aggression, which would stop instantly if you could only get hold of yourselves and act like adults. You should have long since realized your own conduct is the source of all your problems, and taken control of your behavior and lives. You are your own victims, and no one can help you but you.

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Yeah Ray. I cross-posted it. Big deal.

Re: America or Amerika? -- YOUR CHOICE!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:08:24 GMT

From: The guy says funny things. So what. (unknown)

You cross-post other people's posts here and everywhere else on a daily basis. If you don't like it, stop cross-posting other people's messages here, and stop glutting this board with your self-indulgent, incoherent nonsense. In any case, I don't know this Ed, and he had nothing to do with the cross-post. He is, however, correct about you, and says some funny things. At least we can get a good laugh out of your asinine behavior.

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Nah. He's got a history of child abuse too.

Re: I'd give it up to be free of Your Irritation, you Moron (ALL OF US. NOW AMSCRAY!)

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:13:27 GMT

From: Long, sick history here (unknown)

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From: The Commentator (flycfd@pyramid.com)

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:52:58 -0800

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

rk: >> My Fellow Americans:

rk: >> We are losing our Country.

c: > No, you have lost your mind. BIG difference.

rk: > > The few who rule the many have upped the ante, pushing us into a corner, restricting more of our freedoms with each passing day. Mention of the US Constitution is being considered a Terrorist Act and cause for arrest and detention of the person who still believes we live in a Constitutional Republic.

c: Prove it, you human shit stain. Cite the case.

rk: See: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2126

rk: >> Are we a Nation gone crazy,

c: > No, YOU are crazy, not the nation. again, big difference.

rk: >> or merely a Nation of idle "Talk the talk" sheeple rather than "Walk the walk" freemen?

c: > Most, if not all, of your talk is lies, wankage, loonage, trollage and dingbattery. Do not blame those around you for your failures.

rk: >> My view is that our current leadership,

c: > No one cares what your views are, you cheap, lying fool.

rk: >> Fear is being whipped up in the media,

c: > No, YOU try to whip up fear, and thus far it does not seem to work. Why? Most people are smarter than you, and virtually all are saner.

rk: >> I have given the bloodless solution to this issue, but as yet have not broken through the Trance of Fear which binds the conditioned Collective American mind.

c: > How is lying, refusing to meet your responsibilities and refusing to seek professional mental health care a solution?

rk: >> Why not take action which they have no defense for and are impotent to deal with?! NATIONAL BOYCOTT!

c: > Great idea, lets start with your "book." oh wait, that isn't selling anyway, it appears the boycott does not work too well, you are still a lying sack of shit.

rk: >> Read the following links, dated chronologically, past to present. You will know what to do.

c: > Commit you to a mental institution seems a good start.

rk: > > For those who feel there is too much to read, I would ask you -- What is Your Freedom Worth?

c: > Apparently, for you at least, your freedom is not worth the price of a small traffic ticket.

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Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:31:35 GMT

From: David Bartholomew (unknown)

db: > More fraud from Raymond Karczewski

db: > Well, RK, I spent the time to click on your link, and I still want to see the CASE that mentioning the US Constitution is being considered a terrorist act.

rk: My response is being directed toward the multitude of ignoramuses out there reading this who are trained to "think" as you do, david. Otherwise your question isn't worth the time to answer.

rk: Life is problem solving. No one is excused from it -- NO ONE!! The Intelligent man solves problems at the subtle stages, as they unfold in the eternal moment of NOW, well before they are fully made manifest. The time-bound Ignorant man is inert, unaware and prideful in his own lack of intelligent perception and therefore procrastinates until the problem engulfs him. The former is a master of his/her own life -- the latter, a slave.

rk: Who amongst you were aware of the actions of "commentator", the deliberatedly crude, vulgarity-spewing disinformation agent in the original article of this thread, when he asked for a case cite. "Case Cite" were his words, not mine. Case cite infers closure at the extreme level of manifestation within our legal system. I suggest anyone who operates at that level is a BLATANT IGNORAMUS, and is therefore a slave to the "commentators" of this world who can pull his strings.

rk: Look at the original article with its many links offered to restore balance to a confused world. Did "commentator" address any of that, or was his purpose merely to misdirect public attention away from such an antidote to insanity?

db: > The article says that a flyer, printed more than 2 years ago for the training of officers in the field, gives a warning sign of terrorists as someone who quotes the Constitution as a weapon against the Federal Gov't.

rk: And there is a reason for that, isn't there? Otherwise why would a government spend money and time training people who are expected to implement such anti-constitutional measures in a country once known as "Home of the Brave and Land of the Free?"

rk: Your demand that closure be completed before one ought take any action is the demand of an IGNORAMUS reveling in his own face-saving ignorance; the kind of IGNORAMUS that winds up in boxcars, concentration camps, and showers.

db: > Now, I know it is wrong, and (surprise) 3 or 4 law enforcement officials in this article know it also. Yep, quoted in this very article, Maricopa Sherriff says that he knew this was wrong as soon as he saw it.

rk: Note that the comments from these officers emerged only after it was made public, holding their "feet to the fire" and causing a little more than just minor embarrassment. Government is all IMAGE. Its power is derived from the management of PUBLIC PERCEPTION. But like all images, lacking in substance, It cannot stand up to the LIGHT OF TRUTH.

rk: I suspect that many IGNORAMUSES in the days of Nazi Germany held the same face-saving position of knowing that what they supported was WRONG, but it took a WORLD WAR and millions of lives and loss of property before the killing was stopped and sanity returned to the European countries directly involved.

db: > BTW, notice this was printed and never used.

rk: Likely because it was objected to by a sufficient number of INTELLIGENT individuals who publicly acted upon it at the subtle stages and did not wait for the grossly manifest event of a "court cite!"

Re: More fraud from Raymond Karczewski (David Bartholomew)

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:37:31 GMT

From: This is a pathetic showing (unknown)

unk: That would explain much

unk: No actual court decision could possibly contain the holding Ray claims it does.

rk: Here you have a demonstration of the Disinformation Agents favorite Internet ploy -- that of creating a deliberate deception manufactured in this case by a cowardly, anonymous provocateur, one who calls himself "commentator," who then proceeds to link such "claim" to another in an attempt to hold the other responsible for statements made clearly by himself and not the latter.

rk: How many reading these posts are AWARE enough to pick up on such manipulative deceptions?

unk: And it would also explain why he refuses to give a simple legal cite in a reporter,

rk: See above comments regarding intelligent and ignorant action. You will SEE the level of energy which operates predominantly in your life and manifests grossly as either the signature energy of Heaven or Hell. I have nothing to say about commentator's deliberate attempt to misdirect and obfuscate the comments of another. It speaks for itself.

unk: and instead expect some paranoid kook site on the Internet to suffice as substantive proof of such an inane assertion. Ray, get better. If you want to engage in debate, learn how to basically think and substantiate your claims with real evidence, not some kook's groundless, paranoid rantings. This is a pathetic showing.

rk: Obviously your unawareness prevents you from directly perceiving that I don't engage in debate.

rk: I speak Truth and Mirror Ignorance.

rk: Debate is the ultimate dualistic energy of IGNORANCE made manifest in the Satanically driven, Intellectual, BASSACKWARD world of civilized man. Such IGNORANCE is responsible for creating issues such as the recently declared "WAR ON TERRORISM." It cannot continue without the support of millions upon millions of MIND CONTROLLED IGNORAMUSES.

rk: It is a world in which I am presently IN but definitely NOT OF!!

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My oppressed Brothers and Sisters both here in America and abroad, this Christ says: In the dark days ahead which threaten the continued existence of this Constitutional Republic and/or your way of life regardless of where you live in the World, understand that you are your own SAVIOUR.

DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS!

An armed populace is the greatest security from GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

Our Founding Fathers understood it. Why have you forgotten it?

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"David bartholomew" (david@bartholomew.com)

Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:57:03 GMT

"Raymond Karczewski" (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote in message news:c0588d7a.0111150943.10ca5470@posting.google.com...

>> Re: America: What Is Your Freedom Worth?!!

>> Re: Town Square (New Admin)

>> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:31:35 GMT

>> From: David Bartholomew (unknown) >>

>> db: > More fraud from Raymond Karczewski

db: > the rest of the insults from rk are snipped.

db: > Raymond, I want you to show to me where I EVER said " More fraud from Raymond Karczewski" I have NEVER said any such thing, especially in the post you were quoting from.

rk: Here it is: The Title of the post and Its Town Square Forum number followed by the post itself.

45049. More fraud from Raymond Karczewski by David Bartholomew, 11/15

More fraud from Raymond Karczewski

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:31:35 GMT

From: David Bartholomew (unknown)>

Well, RK, I spent the time to click on your link, and I still want to see the CASE that mentioning the US Constitution is being considered a terrorist act. The article says that a flyer, printed more than 2 years ago for the training of officers in the field, gives a warning sign of terrorists as someone who quotes the Constitution as a weapon against the Federal Gov't.

Now, I know it is wrong, and (surprise) 3 or 4 law enforcement officials in this article know it also. Yep, quoted in this very article, Maricopa Sherriff says that he knew this was wrong as soon as he saw it.

BTW, notice this was printed and never used.

db: If you are going to lie about someone who is trying to get to an understanding to your level, and then call him ignorant to boot, you are obviously just trolling around, and have no desire to explain yourself to anyone.

db: I will wait for an answer or apology from you, after that you aren't worth my time.

rk: Care to make any comment?

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From: "Stephen P Vanier" (svanier@qwest.net) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski(arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:07:20 -0700

*****SPV....Ray, when you place yourself in Jesus' Shoes you are saying, "I am as good as Jesus and he was nothing much because we all are Christ."

rk: That rather overt, envious judgmental statement merely reflects your own level of dualistic Satanic State of consciousness, doesn't it?

rk: I see you are still unable to let go of the spiritual coattails of one whom you secretly admire, but are unable to approach or deal with on a plane of equality.

rk: Such psychological imbalance is responsible for your inability to stand on your own two feet and speak truth with another. You are compelled to be either master or disciple, but never equal. Such codependent and inertia laden dualistic energy is typical of most compensatory religious guru wannabes.

spv: This is ego. You can't admit that people like Jesus and myself are better than you.

rk: In this face-saving projected snit of yours, you show that you have not yet reached the point of atonement with the nondualistic energy of TRUTH, for in such a state of consciousness, comparison does not exist. Only the "What IS" reveals ITSELF!

spv: Shit Ray, look at your life compared to mine. You haven't done shit and what is worse you don't know shit.

rk: Your attempt to fling muck upon another does not hide the obvious fact that you haven't said a thing in the above statement except that being unable to express yourself intelligently, you must resort to such self-revealing, less than balanced gutter tactics.

spv: Now if a maggot like you, a real hypocrite,

rk: See what I mean??

spv: a cop for 30 years that finally gets a ticket and can't pay it. You are a guy that can dish it out but can't take the heat. You are what is known as pathetic.

rk: Isn't it time for you to stop before you do yourself spiritual damage from which you may never recover?

spv: So if a maggot like you is Christ then everyone is Christ and Jesus climbed the cross for nothing.

rk: Again, your "particular" state of ignorant consciousness is being revealed in such statement. Hell, isn't it?

spv: This is the truth. This is why your shit don't fly.

rk: I gave you some advice long ago. Get off the pills, the booze and your self-pity, and maybe, just maybe, you may be capable of having a serious spiritual dialogue with another.

rk: Example; Look below at the original subject of the article you have responded to. Then observe your deviant response to it. You, spv, just like your comments, can be summed up in one word ---IRRELEVANT!!

"Raymond Karczewski" (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote in message

When A Christ Speaks -- Who Listens?

rk: >> My oppressed Brothers and Sisters both here in America and abroad, this Christ says: In the dark days ahead which threaten the continued existence of this Constitutional Republic and/or your way of life regardless of where you live in the World, understand that you are your own SAVIOUR.

rk: >> DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS!

rk: >> An armed populace is the greatest security from GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

rk: >> Our Founding Father understood it. Why have you forgotten it?

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What lies BEYOND the limited grasp of Satan (Opposer) ruled dualistic Intellects is the nondualistic essence of "Truth, Life, God (The Way)" -- the Christ State of Consciousness.

Ignorance (limitation), man's Fall from Grace (Grace = Holistic Intelligence), is the essence of dualistic Hell itself. It is labeled Civilized Society.

Ignoramuses are blind worshippers of the false god that is the Satan-driven (dualistic) Intellect.

Is it any wonder civilized man lives in eternal Hell?

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From: "joe black" wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:14:26 +0000

Good Day sir,

jb: It seems as if you have a substancial amount of information and know many things in refrence to not only the conspiracies that are out there but the truth and the light that most cindaviduals don't have. I was hoping that you maybe able to educate and inlighten me on any number of topics. Sincerely

rk: Joe, the simple fact is that what I understand and write of on these newsgroups/forums is that Intelligence which you already possess, but are presently unable to access due to the chains of societal and cultural conditioning which bind your consciousness to the Satanic Ruled Intellectual realm.

rk: Understand the nondualistic essence of Intelligence, the Christ State of Infinite Intelligence named "Joe Black," and the answers to the dualistic questions you seek will make themselves known. Freedom from the conditioned known is the first and last step to atonement with Truth. Such is the Resurrection of the Spirit.

rk: Human language is flawed. It cannot communicate nondualistic Truth in dualistic pat answers. Such approach only produces blindly believing, conditioned ignoramuses. One must transcend the dualistic level of Satanic Thought to allow Realization to enter into one's conflicted life.

rk: All that is necessary to come to such realization is for you to be quiet and observant, both inwardly and outwardly, as you read the articles on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

rk: Nothing need be added. It is all there on those pages. Whether you SEE it or not depends on your own openness and awareness. The fountain of everlasting Truth is there. The question remains -- Are you thirsty enough to drink?

rk: Welcome, my Spiritual Brother,

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Sheldon Emry wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Gain insight into how the New World Order elitists/bankers have caused America's disintegration from Sovereignty to Peonage.

Although long, Sheldon Emry's article on financial enslavement of a Nation is a worthwhile read.

Then read http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch37.htm#WAR for a bloodless solution to an emerging bloody problem.

The future Freedom or Enslavement of Americans can be directly traced to the level of Intelligence displayed by its populace -- The REAL GOVERNMENT -- "A Government Of the People, By the People, and For the People."

Many thanks to Sheldon Emry for an excellent article.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

- Thomas Jefferson

Americans, living in what is called the richest nation on earth, seem always to be short of money. Wives are working in unprecedented numbers, husbands hope for overtime hours to earn more, or take part-time jobs evenings and weekends, children look for odd jobs for spending money, the family debt climbs higher, and psychologists say one of the biggest causes of family quarrels and breakups is "arguments over money." Much of this trouble can be traced to our present "debt-money" system.

Too few Americans realize why Christian Statesmen wrote into Article I of the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall have the Power to Coin Money and Regulate the Value Thereof. They did this, as we will show, in prayerful hope that it would prevent "the love of money" from destroying the Republic they had founded. We shall see how subversion of Article I has brought on us the "evil" of which God's Word had warned.

Money is Man's ONLY "Creation" Economists use the term "create" when speaking of the process by which money comes into existence. Now, creation means making something that did not exist before. Lumbermen make boards from trees, workers build houses from lumber, and factories manufacture cars from metal, glass and other materials. But in all these they did not "create," they only changed existing materials into a more usable and, therefore, more valuable form. This is not so with money. Here, and here alone, man actually "creates" something out of nothing. A piece of paper of little value is printed so that it is worth a piece of lumber. With different figures it can buy the car or even the house. Its value has been "created" in the true meaning of the word. Money "Creating" is PROFITABLE.

As is seen by the above, money is very cheap to make, and whoever does the "creating" of money in a nation can make a tremendous profit! Builders work hard to make a profit of 5% above their cost to build a house. Auto makers sell their cars for 1% to 2% above the cost of manufacture and it is considered good business. But money "manufacturers" have no limit on their profits, since a few cents will print a $1 note or a $10,000 bill.

That profit is part of our story, but first let us consider another unique characteristic of the thing -- money, the love of which is the "root of all evil."

An adequate supply of money is indispensable to civilized society. We could forego many other things, but without money industry would grind to a halt, farms would become only self-sustaining units, surplus food would disappear, jobs requiring the work of more than one man or one family would remain undone, shipping and large movements of goods would cease, hungry people would plunder and kill to remain alive, and all government except family or tribe would cease to function. An overstatement, you say? Not at all. Money is the blood of civilized society, the means of all commercial trade except simple barter. It is the measure and the instrument by which one product is sold and another purchased.

Remove money or even reduce the supply below that which is necessary to carry on current levels of trade, and the results are catastrophic. For an example, we need only look at America's Depression of the early 1930's.

In 1930 America did not lack industrial capacity, fertile farmland, skilled and willing workers or industrious farm families. It had an extensive and highly efficient transportation system in railroads, road networks, and inland and ocean waterways. Communications between regions and localities were the best in the world, utilizing telephone, teletype, radio, and a well-operated government mail system. No war had ravaged the cities or the countryside, no pestilence weakened the population, nor had famine stalked the land. The United States of America in 1930 lacked only one thing: an adequate supply of money to carry on trade and commerce.

In the early 1930's, Bankers, the only source of new money and credit, deliberately refused loans to industries, stores and farms. Payments on existing loans were required however, and money rapidly disappeared from circulation. Goods were available to be purchased, jobs were waiting to be done, but the lack of money brought the nation to a standstill. By this simple ploy America was put in a "depression" and the greedy Bankers took possession of hundreds of thousands of farms, homes, and business properties. The people were told, "times are hard," and "money is in short supply." Not understanding the system, they were cruelly robbed of their earnings, their savings, and their property.

It is as ridiculous for a nation to say to its citizens, "You must consume less because we are short of money," as it would be for an Airline to say "Our planes are flying, but we can't take you because we are short of tickets."

World War II ended the "depression." The same Bankers who in the early 30's had no loans for peacetime houses, food and clothing, suddenly had unlimited billions to lend for Army barracks, K-rations and uniforms! A nation that in 1934 couldn't produce food for sale, suddenly could produce bombs to send free to Germany and Japan! (More on this riddle later.) With the sudden increase in money availability, people were hired, farms sold their produce, factories went to two shifts, mines re-opened, and "The Great Depression" was over! Some politicians were blamed for it and others took credit for ending it. The truth is that the lack of money (caused by the Bankers) brought on the depression, and adequate money supply ended it. The people were never told that simple truth and in this article we will endeavor to show how these same Bankers who control our money and credit have used their control to plunder America and place us in bondage.

When we can see the disastrous results of an artificially created shortage of money, we can better understand why our Founding Fathers, who understood both money and God's Laws, insisted on placing the power to "create" money and the power to control it ONLY in the hands of the Federal Congress. They believed that ALL citizens should share in the profits of its "creation" and therefore the national government must be the ONLY creator of money. They further believed that ALL citizens, of whatever State or Territory, or station in life, would benefit by an adequate and stable currency and decided therefore, that the national government must also be, by law, the ONLY controller of the value of money. Since the Federal Congress was the only legislative body subject to all the citizens at the ballot box, it was, to their minds, the only safe depository of so much profit and so much power. They wrote it out in the simple, but all-inclusive: "Congress shall have the Power to Coin Money and Regulate the Value Thereof."

Instead of the Constitutional method of creating our money and putting it into circulation, we now have an entirely unconstitutional system.

This has resulted in disastrous conditions, as we shall see. Since our money was handled both legally and illegally before 1913, we shall consider only the years following 1913, since from that year on, ALL of our money has been created and issued by an illegal method that will eventually destroy the United States if it is not changed.

Prior to 1913, America was a prosperous, powerful, and growing nation, at peace with its neighbors and the envy of the world. But -- in December of 1913, Congress, with many members away for the Christmas holidays, passed what has since been known as the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT. (For the full story of how this infamous legislation was forced through our Congress, read Conquest or Consent, by W. B. Vennard). Omitting the fine details, it simply authorized the establishment of a Federal Reserve Corporation, with a Board of Directors (The Federal Reserve Board) to run it, and the United States was divided into 12 Federal Reserve "Districts."

This simple, but terrible, law completely removed from Congress the right to "create" money or to have any control over its "creation," and gave that function to the Federal Reserve Corporation. This was done with appropriate fanfare and propaganda that this would "remove money from politics" (they didn't say "and therefore from the people's control") and prevent "Boom and Bust" from hurting our citizens.

The people were not told then, and most still do not know today, that the Federal Reserve Corporation is a private corporation controlled by bankers and therefore is operated for the financial gain of the bankers over the people rather than for the good of the people. The word "Federal" was used only to deceive the people.

Since that "day of infamy," more disastrous to us than Pearl Harbor, the small group of "privileged" people who lend us "our" money have accrued to themselves all of the profits of printing our money -- and more! Since 1913 they have "created" tens of billions of dollars in money and credit, which, as their own personal property, they then lend to our government and our people at interest.

"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" had -and has- become the secret policy of our National Government. An example of the process of "creation" and its conversion to people's "debt" will aid our understanding. They Print It -- We Borrow It and Pay Them Interest We shall start with the need for money. The Federal Government, having spent more than it has taken from its citizens in taxes, needs, for the sake of illustration, $1 billion. Since it does not have the money, and Congress has given away its authority to "create" it, the Government must go the the "creators" for the $1 billion. But, the Federal Reserve, a private corporation, doesn't just give its money away! The Bankers are willing to deliver $1 billion in money or credit to the Federal Government in exchange for the Government's agreement to pay it back -- with interest! So Congress authorizes the Treasury Department to print $1,000,000,000 in U.S. Bonds, which are then delivered to the Federal Reserve Bankers. The Federal Reserve then pays the cost of printing the $1,000,000,000 (about $1,000) and makes the exchange. The Government then uses the money to pay its obligations. What are the results of this fantastic transaction? Well, $1 billion in Government bills are paid all right, but the Government has now indebted the people to the Bankers for $1 billion on which the people must pay interest!

Tens of thousands of such transactions have taken place since 1913 so that by the 1980's, the U.S. Government was indebted to the Bankers for over a trillion dollars on which the people pay over $100 billion a year in interest alone with no hope of ever paying off the principal. In 1995, the total Federal Debt had grown to over $5 trillion, with an annual interest payment of $203 billion, 14% of the federal budget. Supposedly our children and the following generations will pay for ever and ever!

And There's More! You say, "This is terrible!" Yes, it is, but we have shown only part of the sordid story. Under this unholy system, those United States Bonds have now become "assets" of the Banks in the Reserve System which they then use as "reserves" to "create" more "credit" to lend. Current "reserve" requirements allow them to use that $1 billion in bonds to "create" as much as $15 billion in new "credit" to lend to States, Municipalities, individuals and businesses. Added to the original $1 billion, they could have $16 billion of "created credit" out in loans paying them interest with their only cost being $1,000 for printing the origina1 $1 billion! Since the U.S. Congress has not issued Constitutional money since 1863 (over 100 years), in order for the people to have money to carry on trade and commerce they are forced to borrow the "created credit" of the Monopoly Bankers and pay them usury-interest!

And There's Still More In addition to the vast wealth drawn to them through this almost unlimited usury, the Top Bankers who control the money supply are able to approve or disapprove big loans to large and successful corporations to the extent that refusal of a loan will bring about a reduction in the price that that Corporation's stock sells for on the market. After depressing the price, the Bankers' agents buy large blocks of the stock, after which the sometimes multi-million dollar loan is approved, the stock rises, and is then sold for a profit. In this manner billions of dollars are made with which to buy more stock. This practice is so refined today that the Federal Reserve Board need only announce to the newspapers an increase or decrease in their "basic interest rate" to send stocks up or down as they wish.

Using this method since 1913, the Bankers and their agents have purchased secret or open control of almost every large corporation in America. Using that control, they then force the corporations to borrow huge sums from their banks so that corporation earnings are siphoned off in the form of interest to the banks. This leaves little as actual "profits" which can be paid as dividends and explains why stock prices are so depressed, while the banks reap billions in interest from corporate loans. In effect, the bankers get almost all of the profits, while individual stock holders are left holding the bag.

The millions of working families of America are now indebted to the few thousand Banking Families for twice the assessed value of the entire United States. And these Banking Families obtained that debt against us for the cost of paper, ink, and book-keeping!

The Interest Amount is Never Created The only way new money (which is not true money, but is "credit" representing a debt), goes into circulation in America is when it is borrowed from Bankers. When the State and people borrow large sums, we seem to prosper. However, the Bankers "create" only the amount of the principal of each loan, never the extra amount needed to pay the interest. Therefore, the new money never equals the new debt added. The amounts needed to pay the interest on loans is not "created," and therefore does not exist! Under this kind of a system, where new debt always exceeds the new money no matter how much or how little is borrowed, the total debt increasingly outstrips the amount of money available to pay the debt. The people can never, ever get out of debt!

An example will show the viciousness of this usury-debt system with its "built-in" shortage of money.

If $60,000 is Borrowed, $255,931.20 Must Be Paid Back ! When a citizen goes to a Banker to borrow $60,000 to purchase a home or a farm, the Bank clerk has the borrower agree to pay back the loan plus interest. At 14% interest for 30 years, the Borrower must agree to pay $710.92 per month for a total of $255,931.20. Considering that the original amount borrowed was only $60,000 does this not rank as extortion? The clerk then requires the citizen to assign to the Banker the right of ownership of the property if the Borrower does not make the required payments. The Bank clerk then gives the Borrower a $60,000 check or a $60,000 deposit slip crediting the Borrower's checking account with $60,000. The Borrower then writes checks to the builder, subcontractors, etc., who in turn write checks. $60,000 of new "checkbook" money is thereby added to "money in circulation."

However, and this is the fatal flaw in a usury system, the only new money created and put into circulation is the amount of the loan, $60,000. The money to pay the interest is NOT created, and therefore was NOT added to "money in circulation."

Even so, this Borrower (and those who follow him in ownership of the property) must earn and TAKE OUT OF CIRCULATION $255,931, almost $200,000 MORE than he put IN CIRCULATION when he borrowed the origina1 $60,000. (By the way, it is this interest which cheats all families out of nicer homes. It is not that they can't afford them; it is because the Banker's usury forces them to pay for 4 homes to get just one!)

Every new loan puts the same process in operation. Each borrower adds a small sum to the total money supply when he borrows, but the payments on the loan (because of interest) then deduct a much LARGER sum from the total money supply.

There is therefore no way all debtors can pay off the money-lenders. As they pay the principal and interest, the money in circulation disappears. All they can do is struggle against each other, borrowing more and more from the money-lenders each generation. The money-lenders (Bankers), who produce nothing of value, slowly, then more rapidly, gain a death grip on the land, buildings, and present and future earnings of the whole working population. Proverbs 22:7 has come to pass in America. The borrowers have become the servants of the lenders. No wonder God Almighty forbids interest on loans.

Small Loans Do the Same Thing If you haven't quite grasped the impact of the above, let us consider a small car loan for 3 years at 18% interest. Step 1: Citizen borrows $5,000 and pays it into circulation (it goes to the dealer, factory, miner, etc.) and signs a note agreeing to pay the Banker $6,500. Step 2: Citizen pays $180 per month of his earnings to the Banker. In 3 years he will take OUT of circulation $1,500 more than he put IN circulation. Every loan of Banker "created" money (credit) causes the same thing to happen. Since this has happened millions of times since 1913 (and continues today), you can see why America has gone from a prosperous, debt-free nation to a debt-ridden nation where practically every home, farm and business is paying usury-tribute to some Banker. The usury-tribute to the Bankers on personal, local, State and Federal debt totals more than the combined earnings of 25% of the working people. Soon it will be 50% and continue up.

This is Why Bankers Prosper in Good Times or Bad In the millions of transactions made each year like those above, little actual currency changes hands, nor is it necessary that it do so. 95% of all "cash" transactions in the U.S. are by check, so the Banker is perfectly safe in "creating" that so-called "loan" by writing the check or deposit slip, not against actual money, but AGAINST YOUR PROMISE TO PAY IT BACK! The cost to him is paper, ink and a few dollars in salaries and office costs for each transaction. The profits increase rapidly, year after year. The Cost To You? Eventually, Everything! In 1910 the U.S. Federal debt was only $1 billion, or $12.40 per citizen. State and local debts were practically non-existent. By 1920, after only 6 years of Federal Reserve shenanigans, the Federal debt had jumped to $24 billion, or $228 per person.

In 1960 the Federal debt reached $284 billion, or $1,575 per citizen and State and local debts were mushrooming.

By 1981 the Federal debt passed $1 trillion and was growing exponentially as the Bankers tripled the interest rates. State and local debts are now MORE than the Federal, with business and personal debts totalling over $6 trillion, 3 times the value of all the land and buildings in America.

lf we signed over to the money-lenders all of America we would still owe them 2 more Americas (plus their usury, of course!)

However, they are too cunning to take title to everything. They will instead leave you with some "illusion of ownership" so you and your children will continue to work and pay the Bankers more of your earnings in ever-increasing debts. The "establishment" has captured our people with their ungodly system of usury and debt as certainly as if they had marched in with a uniformed army.

For The Gamblers Among My Readers To grasp the truth that periodic withdrawal of money through interest payments will inexorably transfer all wealth in the nation to the receiver of interest, imagine yourself in a poker or dice game where everyone must buy the chips (the medium of exchange) from a "banker" who does not risk chips in the game, but watches the table and every hour reaches in and takes 10% to 15% of all the chips on the table. As the game goes on, the amount of chips in the possession of each player will go up and down with their "luck." However, the TOTAL number of chips available to play the game (carry on trade and business) will decrease rapidly. The game will get low on chips, and some will run out. If they want to continue to play, they must buy or borrow them from the "banker." The "banker" will sell (lend) them ONLY if the player signs a "mortgage" agreeing to give the "banker" some real property (car, home, farm, business, etc.) if he cannot make periodic payments to pay back all of the chips plus some EXTRA ones (interest). The payments must be made on time, whether he wins (makes a profit) or not.

It is easy to see that no matter how skillfully they play, eventually the "banker" will end up with all of his original chips back, and except for the very best players, the rest, if they stay in long enough, will lose to the "banker" their homes, their farms, their businesses, perhaps even their cars, watches, rings, and the shirts off their backs!

Our real-life situation is MUCH WORSE than any poker game. In a poker game none is forced to go into debt, and anyone can quit at any time and keep whatever he still has. But in real life, even if we borrow little ourselves from the Bankers, the local, State, and Federal governments borrow billions in our name, squander it, then confiscate our earnings from us and pay it back to the Bankers with interest. We are forced to play the game, and none can leave except by death.

We pay as long as we live, and our children pay after we die. If we cannot pay, the same government sends the police to take our property and give it to the Bankers. The Bankers risk nothing in the game; they just collect their percentage and "win it all."

In Las Vegas and at other gambling centers, all games are "rigged" to pay the owner a percentage, and they rake in millions. The Federal Reserve Bankers "game" is also rigged, and it pays off in billions!

In recent years Bankers added real "cards" to their game. "Credit" cards are promoted as a convenience and a great boon to trade. Actually, they are ingenious devices by which Bankers collect 2% to 5% of every retail sale from the seller and 18% interest from buyers. A real "stacked" deck! (And you wondered why so many credit card applications are constantly sent to everybody? Well, you know now!)

Yes, It's Political, Too Democrat, Republican, and Independent voters who have wondered why politicians always spend more tax money than they take in should now see the reason. When they begin to study our "debt-money" system, they soon realize that these politicians are not the agents of the people but are the agents of the Bankers, for whom they plan ways to place the people further in debt. It takes only a little imagination to see that if Congress had been "creating," and spending or issuing into circulation the necessary increase in the money supply, THERE WOULD BE NO NATIONAL DEBT, and the over $4 Trillion of other debts would be practically non-existent.

Since there would be no ORIGINAL cost of money except printing, and no CONTINUING costs such as interest, Federal taxes would be almost nil. Money, once in circulation, would remain there and go on serving its purpose as a medium of exchange for generation after generation and century after century, just as coins do now, with NO payments to the Bankers whatsoever! Mounting Debts and Wars

But instead of peace and debt-free prosperity, we have ever-mounting debt and periodic wars. We as a people are now ruled by a system of Banker-owned Mammon that has usurped the mantle of government, disguised itself as our legitimate government, and set about to pauperize and control our people.

It is now a centralized, all-powerful political apparatus whose main purposes are promoting war, spending the peoples' money, and propagandizing to perpetuate itself in power.

Our two large political parties have become its servants, the various departments of government its spending agencies, and the Internal Revenue its collection agency. Unknown to the people, it operates in close cooperation with similar apparatuses in other nations, which are also disguised as "governments." Some, we are told, are friends. Some, we are told, are enemies. "Enemies" are built up through international manipulations and used to frighten the American people into going billions of dollars more into debt to the Bankers for "military preparedness," "foreign aid to stop communism," "minority rights," etc. Citizens, deliberately confused by brainwashing propaganda, watch helplessly while our politicians give our food, goods, and money to Banker-controlled alien governments under the guise of "better relations" and "easing tensions."

Our Banker-controlled government takes our finest and bravest sons and sends them into foreign wars where tens of thousands are murdered, and hundreds of thousands are crippled. Other thousands are morally corrupted, addicted to drugs, and infected with venereal and other diseases, which they bring back to the United States. When the "war" is over, we have gained nothing, but we are scores of billions of dollars more in debt to the Bankers, which was the reason for the "war" in the first place!

And There's Yet More ... The profits from these massive debts have been used to erect a complete and almost hidden economic and political colossus over our nation. They keep telling us they are trying to do us "good," when in truth they work to bring harm and injury to our people. These would-be despots know it is easier to control and rob an ill, poorly-educated and confused people than it is a healthy and intelligent population, so they deliberately prevent real cures for diseases, they degrade our educational systems, and they stir up social and racial unrest.

For the same reason they favor drug use, alcohol, sexual promiscuity, abortion, pornography and crime. Everything which debilitates the minds and bodies of the people is secretly encouraged, as it makes the people less able to oppose them or even to understand what is being done to them. Family, morals, love of Country, the Christian religion, all that is honorable is being swept away, while they try to build their new, subservient man.

Our new "rulers" are trying to change our whole social, religious, and political order, but they will not change the debt-money economic system by which they rob and rule. Our people have become tenants and "debt-slaves" to the Bankers and their agents in the land our fathers created. It is conquest through the most gigantic fraud and swindle in the history of mankind.

And we remind you again: The key to their wealth and power over us is their ability to create "money" out of nothing and lend it to us at interest. If they had not been allowed to do that, they would never have gained secret control of our nation. How true Solomon's words are: "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender" (Proverbs 22:7).

God Almighty warned in the Bible that one of the curses which would come upon His People for disobeying His Laws was:

The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him; he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail [Deut. 28: 44-45]. Has that warning come to fruition in America? Let us now consider the correct method of providing the medium of exchange (money) needed by our people.

If we had used the Constitutional way of "creating" the money needed in the nation, the Federal Congress would spend most of its time and study on the issuance and control of an adequate supply of stable money for the people. If an increase of population and production required an increase in the medium of exchange, Congress would authorize the "coining," (i.e., printing) of the determined amount. Some could be used to pay current legitimate expenses of the Federal Government, with the balance paid directly to the citizens. Records for payment would be similar to Social Security records, except a citizen would be recorded at birth, instead of when he first goes to work. Each person on the records as of the date of the Congressional authorization would receive an equal amount just as if s/he were a stockholder holding one share. Just think -- a payment of only $20 to each citizen would put $4 billion of debt-free and interest-free money into circulation. Such a suggestion always scares the Bankers. Their propagandists will immediately cry, "printing press money," and warn that it would soon be "worthless" and would "cause inflation."

The TRUTH is, their immense usury charges on their "created" credit (our debt)is the sole cause of inflation. All prices on all industry, trade and labor must be raised periodically to pay the ever increasing usury charges. That is the ONLY cause of higher prices, and the money-changers spend millions in propaganda to keep you from realizing that.

The money-creators (Bankers) know that if we ever tried a Constitutional issue of debt-free, interest-free currency, even a limited issue, the benefits would be apparent immediately. THAT they must prevent. Abraham Lincoln was the last President to issue such debt-free and interest-free currency (in 1863) and he was assassinated shortly thereafter. Kennedy was known to be contemplating doing the same thing about the time that he was killed.

No Banker's Plunder Under a Constitutional system no private banks would exist to rob the people. Government banks under the control of the people's representatives would issue and control all money and credit. They would issue not only actual currency, but could lend limited credit at no interest for the purchase of capital goods, such as homes.

A $60,000 loan would require only $60.000 repayment, not $255,931 as it is now.

Everyone who supplied materials and labor for the home would get paid just as they do today, but the Bankers would NOT get $195,931 in usury, AND THAT IS WHY THEY RIDICULE AND DESTROY ANYONE SUGGESTING GOVERNMENT (CITIZENS') MONEY WITHOUT INTEREST AND WITHOUT DEBT.

History tells us of debt-free and interest-free money issued by governments. The American colonies did it in the 1700's and their wealth soon rivalled England and brought restrictions from Parliament, which led to the Revolutionary War. Abraham Lincoln did it in 1863 to help finance the Civil War. He was later assassinated by an agent of the Rothschild Bank. No debt-free or interest-free money has been issued in America since then.

Several Arab nations issue interest-free loans to their citizens today. The Saracen Empire forbad interest on money for 1,000 years, and its wealth outshone even Saxon Europe. Mandarin China issued its own money, interest-free and debt-free, and historians and collectors of art today consider those centuries to be China's time of greatest wealth, culture and peace.

Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a world power in 5 years. Germany financed its entire government and war operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power over Europe and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers. Such history of money does not even appear in the textbooks of public (government) schools today.

Issuing money which doesn't have to be paid back in interest leaves the money available to use in the exchange of goods and services and its only continuing cost is replacement as the paper wears out. Money is the paper ticket by which such transfers are made and should always be in sufficient quantity to transfer all possible production of the nation to ultimate consumers.

We realize this article on the mechanics of money may be charged with over-simplification. Some readers may say that if it is this simple the people would have known about it, and it could not have happened. But this MONEY-LENDERS' consPIRACY is as old as Babylon, and even in America it dates far back before the year 1913.

Actually, 1913 may be considered the year in which their previous plans came to fruition, and the way opened for complete economic conquest of the people. The consPIRACY is old enough in America so that its agents have been, for many years, in positions such as newspaper publishers, editors, columnists, church ministers, university presidents, professors, textbook writers, labor union leaders, movie makers, radio and TV commentators, politicians, school board members, U.S. presidents, and many others.

These agents control the information available to our people. They manipulate public opinion, elect whom they will locally and nationally, and never expose the crooked money system. They promote school bonds, municipal bonds, expensive and detrimental farm programs, "urban renewal," foreign aid, and many other schemes which will put the people more into debt to the Bankers.

Thoughtful citizens wonder why billions are spent on one program and billions on another which may duplicate it or even nullify it, such as paying some farmers not to raise crops, while at the same time building dams or canals to irrigate more farm land. Crazy or stupid? Neither. The goal is more debt. Thousands of government-sponsored ways to waste money go on continually. Most make no sense, but they are never exposed for what they really are, builders of "billions for the bankers and debts for the people."

So-called "economic experts" write syndicated columns in hundreds of newspapers, craftily designed to prevent the people from learning the simple truth about our money system. Commentators on radio and TV, preachers, educators, and politicians blame the people as wasteful, lazy, or spend-thrift, and blame the workers and consumers for the increase in debts and the inflation of prices, when they know the cause is the debt-money system itself. People are overwhelmed with charges and counter-charges designed to confuse them and keep them from understanding the unconstitutional and evil money-system that is so efficiently and silently robbing the farmers, the workers, and the businessmen of the fruits of their labors and of their freedoms.

When some few patriotic people or organizations who know the truth begin to expose them or try to stop any of their greedy schemes, the exposers are ridiculed and vilified. Any calumny is used which will cause them to shut up or will at least stop other people from listening to the warning they are giving.

rk: ***LET EVERYONE WHO HAS THE EYES TO SEE --SEE, AND THE EARS TO HEAR--HEAR!!***

Books and articles such as you are now reading are kept out of schools, libraries, and book stores.

Some, who are especially vocal in their exposure of the treason against ordinary people, are harassed by government agencies such as the EPA, OSHA, the IRS, and others, causing them financial loss or bankruptcy. Using these methods, they have been completely successful in preventing most Americans from learning the things you have read in this document. However, in spite of their control of information, they realize many citizens are learning the truth. Therefore, to prevent violence or armed resistance to their plunder of America, they plan to register all firearms and eventually to disarm all citizens. They have to eliminate most guns, except those in the hands of their government police and army.

Tell The People The "almost hidden" conspirators in politics, religion, education, entertainment, and the news media are working for a Banker-owned United States in a Banker-owned World under a Banker-owned World Government!

Love of Country, and concern for your children should make you deeply interested in this, America's greatest problem, for our generation has not suffered under the "yoke" as the coming generations will.

Usury and taxes will continue to take a larger and larger part of the annual earnings of the people and put them into the pockets of the Bankers and their political Agents. Increasing "government" regulations will prevent citizen protest and opposition to their control.

It is possible that your grandchildren will own neither home nor car, but will live in "government-owned" apartments and ride to work in "governent-owned" buses (both paying usury to the Bankers), AND BE ALLOWED TO KEEP JUST ENOUGH OF THEIR EARNINGS TO BUY A MINIMUM OF FOOD AND CLOTHING while their Rulers wallow in luxury. In Asia and eastern Europe this is called "Communism;" in America it is called "Democracy" and "Capitalism."

America will not shake off her Banker-controlled dictatorship as long as the people are ignorant of the hidden controllers.

International financiers, who control most of the governments of the nations, and most sources of information, seem to have us completely sewn up. They are afraid of only one thing: an awakened enlightened Citizenry, armed with the truth, and with a trust in Almighty God for deliverance.

This discourse has given you the truth about their iniquitous system. What you do with it is in your hands, and in the hands of Divine Providence. "The fear of man bringeth a snare; but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe." (Proverbs 29: 25).

The Federal Reserve has never been audited by the government since it took over our money and credit in 1913. In 1975 a bill, H.R. 4316, to require an audit was introduced in Congress. During the April, 1975 hearings, this author submitted a statement favoring the audit, as did many others. Due to pressure from the money controllers, it was not passed. No audit of the Fed has ever been made.

Why haven't they told you about this scandal -- the greatest fraud in history which has caused Americans and others to spill rivers of blood, pay trillions of dollars interest on fraudulent loans and burden themselves with unnecessary taxes?

Who are "they"? "They" are all of the politicians of the two old parties and elected officials.

All "educational" groups like the League of Women Voters, the Heritage Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

All news services, such as the Associated Press and the United Press International.

All daily newspapers, including the New York "Times" and Los Angeles "Times."

All weekly "news" magazines, such as "Time" and "Newsweek."

All economics and history professors at all colleges and universities.

All financial newsletter publishers.

All labor leaders.

All televangelists, your local minister, priest or rabbi.

All of the above and more are hiding the truth from you.

Fortunately, groups of patriots in every state know the truth and are fighting the bankers' plans to dump our Constitution into the UN garbage pail.

When the credit/debt bubble is pricked by the bankers they will foreclose on America. Then, they will own it all. There may be a "managed chaos" -- riots and terrorism -- to alarm the people with the fear of anarchy as the bankers prepare to impose a communistic dictatorship on America as the "solution" for the problems they, themselves, have created.

Only an educated people will be able to resist the lies of the bankers' stooges. This is why it is important for you to know the truth about how the bankers make billions for themselves and bring debts to the people.

Please, REMEMBER what you have just read the next time TV is covering a summit of the IMF or G8 group and the protestors who are there and sticking up for all of us are depicted as a mindless, moronic, anarchic bunch of malcontents!!

Okay! All the foregoing is a lot to swallow at one sitting so to help you assimilate and thoroughly digest the main points it's back to David Icke for the last word:summation

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