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Ponder This:
Until Ye Die to the Satanic Intellect, the Architect of Hell on Earth, Ye Shall not be Reborn of the Spirit of Infinite Intelligence.
When the Satanic momentum of Intellectual Dualism ends, the Peace of nondualistic Truth IS.
The Kingdom of Heaven (nondualism) is always At Hand. It manifests when the scales of Spiritual Blindness fall away from the eyes of mind controlled, Intellectually conditioned human beings.
Each is a Christ, an holistic being, a Son/Daughter of God; most, however, come to suffer Amnesia of that fact.
Mankind is now facing a Crisis in Consciousness. How that Crisis is approached will dictate whether man lives in Peace and Freedom or Tyranny and Slavery. It dictates whether millions will live or die.
If the Crisis is approached Spiritually, Life Everlasting is its own reward. If the Crisis is approached Politically, Death and Destruction is all that awaits those who support such Hell-bound agendas.
Suppose America gave a war, and no Americans attended?
War is Institutionalized insanity, declared by the few, fought by the many and affecting All.
War is a Population Control measure.
The Ravages of War cannot issue forth without first a mind controlled populace lending their Support, tacit or otherwise, to warmongering leaders over that of which they themselves have No Understanding.
Ask yourself, does that sound Intelligent to you? Are you ready to sacrifice your children on the altar of WAR?
To have a War, one must first have an enemy. How many days have passed since the events of 911? And yet a Definitive Enemy has not yet been named. Nevertheless America is being primed for war.
Are any of you willing to blindly go out and assist in murdering thousands, perhaps millions of innocents -- women, children, civilians -- on such feeble say-so of a cadre of historically proven less than candid politicians?
Americans, ask this question of yourselves, for your very life, the life of your family, and your very Freedom may depend on it: Who has the power to tell you who your Enemy is?
I submit no man has the right to tell another sovereign human being who the latter's enemy is. That is the utmost of personal decision to be made; and it must be made in clarity, not emotionalism or confusion.
It is time we put away the legal defense of a Nation considered not guilty by reason of collective Insanity.
Yet who is it if not the media, the insanity makers, the mind controllers, that has turned on the propaganda machine and is working the American Public into a frenzied war mind set?
Let us, as Human Beings, once and for all break the Satanic back of war, do away with HELL ON EARTH.
It's time Human Society gave Peace a chance.
I say TO HELL WITH HELL!!
1. Take back personal *control* over your money. Withdraw from the *Voluntary* withholding tax agreement you have with your employer. Get a full day's pay for a full day's work. Money is the symbol of your "output" of Life's energy. Guard it well!
2. Rescind the fictitious National Debt created through interest owed on valueless paper money by those who magickally "conjured" it up out of Nothing. Take your money out of the hands of the "money changers/handlers" -- the bankers.
3. Restructure your government by demanding that it fund its own services through the *Trillions* of dollars it currently has in its coffers through investments outlined in the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report -- CAFR!! Do this at least until there is a return to a stable, value backed monetary policy.
4. Abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve System. Send them packing. Remove the United Nations from American Soil. Cut off all Monetary Contributions to them.
5. Return responsibility for the coining of money to a restructured Congress occupied by those who will RESTATE and HONOR their Constitutional Oath of Office.
6. Bring back our Military from foreign soil. Let them protect their own Loved Ones and Homes.
KNOW WHO THE TRUE TERRORISTS ARE!
Do that, and there need not be a SHOT FIRED in Revolution or in war against an unknown enemy our leadership is unable to identify!
How many of you reading this, who consider yourselves to be Intelligent, are really INTELLIGENT enough to see this as the only viable, bloodless solution to mankind's self-made present crisis?
Does it involve breaking the mold of the familiar habitual patterns of behavior which have long been inculcated into us through mind control? You BET IT DOES!
Do you have the COURAGE to face such an unknown?
Or does the familiar but inevitable fate which awaits all who prefer the security of slavery to freedom bind you through capitulation to an hypnotic bond you perceive too strong to break?
That's a question only you can answer as you probe it in the depth and quiet solitude of your own consciousness. Do not be ruled by the noisy consensus of the Hell-bound as they jockey to organize and establish position/power, but allow the clarity that comes only through the silence of solitude to guide you in your next step.
Be Honest. Be True to yourself. BE TRUTH!
That is all the protection each of you will ever need in life.
If you see the simple Truth of what has been expressed in this article, share it with your loved ones. Then repost the message to all Internet groups you perceive to have an interest in changing our world short of bloody revolution/war.
LET'S GET SERIOUS!!
Let us cover the Internet with this simple message of Peace.
Do not SINK to a NEW WORLD ORDER. LET US RISE to a NEW WORLD CONSCIOUSNESS
rk: Read the following. Then meditate on what you have just read.
rk: Understand that if they can do it to ME, they can do it to YOU!!
rk: If you see that enough is enough and no one is safe from character assassination under the guise of free speech, then affix your name to the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
It's time to take back control of OUR Country and OUR Lives!!
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
unk: That would be you and your threats of violence
Wed Oct 31 13:12:29 2001
unk: You are the only one threatening anyone with violence here Ray. Take your screeds elsewhere: you've already been busted several times, had repeatedly court judgments entered against you, and continuing to refuse mental health attention is going to land you in jail again.
rk: AGAIN??? When was the First such bust and/or "lawful judgment" entered against me?
rk: I have NEVER been arrested nor incarcerated nor have I required "mental health" attention at any level, for any reason in my entire life. Nor have I spent any time at all in any jail except for those duties which were required of me as a Police officer.
rk: You Government/Media sponsored/supported Disinformation Agents are in a state of panic, are you not? You are finding that time is drawing short. It is evident to even the most casual reader that you are pulling out all of the stops in your unrelenting, six year long ongoing Internet DEFAMATION Campaign against myself, my wife, and other family members.
rk: Surely you don't think the American People are going to stand by FOREVER like so many helpless dupes and impotently accede to the STONEWALLING practices of the FBI, Congress, and White House in their frantic "hail mary" attempt to evade responsibility for this issue of Internet Mind Control?
rk: Especially when the object of their focus has offered the only viable solution to stopping this New World Order strawman *War on Terrorism* and is empowering U.S. Citizens to take back control of their country and our lives.
rk: No, I am afraid your NEW WORLD ORDER "house of cards" is about to collapse.
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You mock him, but he is genuinely dangerous
Re: Raymond Karczewski one of the top 5 Usenet kooks (a)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:33:47 GMT
From: Ray's ex-neighbor -- read this. (unknown)
unk: People who mock Ray and are entertained by him have obviously never met the man.
unk: I lived a few doors away from him years ago, in California -- he was just off the police force back then, and he was already a kook. This was before he started this "Christ consciousness" nonsense, and his money-making website.
rk: We have here another Government/Media sponsored/supported Anonymous Disinformation Agent in the act of practicing his cowardly trade.
unk: Every so often, Ray would come running out of his house ranting and yelling -- we all thought he was just a drunk or something.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: Sometimes, he would drive over people's lawns and throw garbage on their porches and windows. He poisoned a few cats. He threatened a neighbor's pre-teen son.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: Once, he stood on his front lawn waving a large knife and threatened to kill my 8-year-old son, who was riding his bicycle down the street.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: We called the cops on him several times -- cops he used to work with -- and they would come out and "have a talk with Ray", which always lead to more threats and destructive acts by him.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: Finally, he moved -- to Oregon I guess -- and everyone in the neighborhood was greatly relieved.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED! --- When the kids were grown and on their own, Anita and I sold our Private Security/Investigation business (Pacific Coast Investigations and Security), sold the house and toured the country for four years in a motor home.
rk: After scouring the Country, Anita and I ultimately decided to settle down in Oregon.
rk: Not Anita, myself, nor any of my children experienced any of the events which have been described in this post (discounting my one-time arrest of a neighbor's son who burglarized my next door neighbor's house. By the way he was convicted.) and experienced the most cordial of relationships with all neighbors.
rk: Your statements are PURE MALICIOUS FICTION.
rk: Shall we put your statements to the test? Idenify yourself. State your true name and your address in Pacifica at the time you claim to have resided there (but then you would only reveal you were never a neighbor of mine), and we'll turn over all of what you have said in this post to the FBI. Then you and I will stand under the same Light of Scrutiny. However, only one of us will be going to jail for it. I'm up for it. Are YOU?
unk: You forum regulars probably think he's a harmless kook who rants and raves on the 'net. You are wrong. He is NOT harmless at all. He should have been locked up many times, but police are very unlikely to lock up a fellow officer, no matter how badly he acts.
rk: Your vicious slurs are being disseminated as you slink surreptitiously, working the crowd with muffled whispers in your attempt to rouse the gullible rabble eh?
unk: I'm just glad that my family and property are safe now. He is not funny. He killed small animals and threatened children with death.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
rk: Moments like this cause me to doubt the sanity of my Fellow Americans and any possibility for the continuance of America as a Sovereign Nation while this level of criminal activity is allowed to flourish openly within and without our government and erode our freedoms because a fearful, apathetic public can be so easily misdirected into fixing their attention upon the WAR "de jour" CAMPAIGNS such as WAR ON DRUGS, WAR ON DRUNK DRIVING, WAR ON GUNS, WAR ON TERRORISM, ETC.
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This is old news
Re: You mock him, but he is genuinely dangerous. (Ray's ex-neighbor -- read this.)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:39:58 GMT
From: Some similar behavior here (unknown)
unk: He's repeated some of this behavior in Cave Junction: insane fits of anger and threatening people with weapons.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: I don't think he actually killed any animals, but I stay away from him so I may not know He keeps getting released, and I wonder what is up with that.
rk: I HAVE NEVER been incarcerated so how could one say that I keep "getting released"?
unk: Does he actually have to kill someone before he is locked up?
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Maybe -- all I know is he killed small animals
Re: This is old news (Some similar behavior here)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:42:03 GMT
From: in our neighborhood -- no jail time. (unknown)
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:36:48 GMT
From: I get to be Christ too! Whee!! (unknown)
unk: Ray Karczewski: going rate on a Who's Who entry's $35!
unk: Hey Ray! I got a letter from Who's Who today, and if I send them a bio and $35, I can be "world famous"!
rk: I doubt it. I notice you conveniently don't mention the publisher of the particular Who's Who publication you refer to (there are many of them you know). Some are reputable, many are not.
rk: I also notice that you persist in demonstrating your lack of integrity when you continue to refuse to post your true identity, or at least another alias which would coincide with name on the letter.
rk: LEGIONS of Satanic worshipping low level "schnooks," much like yourself, who possess no integrity or credibility to speak of, are abundant on these newsgroups/forums. You can spot them easily as they are the anonymous yahoos who cannot afford to identify themselves and be responsible for their words and actions. The simple fact is that if they were to do so, they would indeed experience a short Internet life, wouldn't they?
unk: Just pay the people the money and your lies can be truth!
rk: Your words say more about you than you may have wished to reveal -- "Just pay the people the money and your lies can be truth!" Hell, isn't it?
unk: By the way, I never did a damned thing in my professional life of note. . .
rk: and mighty proud of it you are, too!! What does that simple knee jerk sentence arising from your own consciousness say about you?
unk: Goes to show you they're just selling books to saps. Whee!
rk: Some companies do. Some companies don't. I for one never paid a cent for inclusion of my bio in any of the Marquis "Who's Who in America" publications (Who's Who in the West and Who's Who in Entertainment).
rk: Marquis "Who's Who in America Publications" ran out of integrity and destroyed their own reputation in my estimation when Anita and I relied upon and acted upon the written word of their managing editor Paul Canning in a communication received on April, 20th, 1998 which was subsequently reneged on.
rk: Following are the communications between my wife Anita and managing editor Paul Canning. They speaks for themselves.
ak: Dear Sirs,
ak: On March 15th, 1998 I sent the following e-mail to your office. To date there has been no response to it from your office. Since our last communication we have set up a new domain, and would like to announce my husband's inclusion in the upcoming 19th edition of "Marquis Who's Who in the World" on our new Web site. Would you confirm the selection committee's decision to include my husband's biography in that publication?
rk: As to the matter of inclusion in the above volumes, here is a communication received on April, 20th, 1998 from Marquis Who's Who in America publications editor Paul Canning
. . . "Raymond Karczewski was published in Who's Who in the West 1998-1999 26th edition . . . . . . . Mr. Karczewski will be published in Who's Who in the World 1999 16th edition in January 1999."
Thank you for your interest in Marquis Who's Who.
Paul Canning
rk: Based on that committment, I entered the Who's Who information on my newly formed domain site. That simple act of announcing my inclusion in the Marquis Who's Who in the World publication was the source of a major and lengthy assault upon my credibility and reputation by the same anonymous Disinformation agents who are still acting on these newsgroups/forums.
rk: It has always been a fact that the world of business cannot be conducted without reliance upon the integrity, reputation, and the good faith WORD given by all parties. The broken word of Managing Editor Paul Canning, an agent for Marquis Who's Who in America Publications, in this case did more damage to the reputation of his own company than he did to my reputation on the Internet.
rk: You see, no matter what assaults may be launched upon Truth in order to smear it, distort it, and/or misdirect it, TRUTH STANDS ETERNAL, unaffected by it all.
rk: In describing the indestructible essence of such nondualistic (holistic/holy) TRUTH, a Spiritual Brother said it well when He said, "And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."
digger (bad@example.com)
On 05 Nov 2001 02:25:58 GMT,
Lou Minatti® (louminatti@watchingyou.com) wrote:
rk: >>>>> Not since the Revolutionary War when this nation was founded has a foreign enemy ever declared and fought a war with occupational forces upon American soil.
lm: > >>>You're forgetting WWII, Raymoid. Thousands of US and Japanese soldiers froze their asses off in the Aleutians. Of course, no one ever accused you of being accurate.
l. >>> Your first 2 paragraphs contain the same . . . factual error. During the War of 1812, the Brits burned the White House. In addition, Andy Jackson fought the Brits at New Orleans during that war, too. So a foreign power did fight a bloody war on our shores after the Revolutionary War. While this matter does not go to the heart of your post, credibility cannot co-exist with factual errors of any kind.
rk: >> That's all you got out of that post, eh?
rk: >> You two remind me of a couple of stupid, ravenous predators who missed the sumptuous meal before them because they hastily choked on the flimsiest of chicken bones at the onset of the meal.
d: > This is what you usually say when you are presented with another contradiction-in-essence.
rk: No contradiction in essence is in evidence. It is becoming rather clear that you don't even understand what a "Contradiction in Essence" is. Isn't such lack of understanding the very nature of IGNORANCE?
d: > The point is that you lied. Again.
rk: Perhaps you will specifically point out THE LIE by drawing attention to the elements in this article that you perceive constitute a lie. Sorry, Ignorance is no defense.
rk: >> Though my characterization may not have been technically or historically accurate, the picture I attempted to communicate to the minds of readers was that of an absence of a war-torn Kosovo scene Where
rk: digger, I notice you cut off the remainder of the explanation which outlined what I meant, not what was misinterpreted by both readers. A little devious, creative editing on your part, was it not?
d: No, Ray, the picture you communicate to the most casual reader is a picture of a vindictive mentally ill person, fighting against himself to maintain his delusions.
rk: I don't see any such casual reader expressing that sentiment. All is see are the same projected resentments of an anonymous ignoramus who calls himself digger, not really understanding who and what he is addressing and being *damned* frustrated about it. Let's face it, digger, your energy shouts to the world as that of a crude ignoramus singing to the choir.
rk: What I communicated nonlinearly in those two paragraphs was not heard by either lou minatti (illuminati) and/or liniment. Ponder if you will, the choice of those two Internet handles -- IT DOES TELL THE STORY, DOESN'T IT?
rk: What was heard linearly was not what I communicated nonlinearly. They managed to capture the written letter of the words, but missed the telepathic spirit necessary for understanding. Is it any wonder that my meaning was not understood? How many times have you heard me say on these newsgroups that the ignorance of linear thinking must come to an end before nonlinear understanding takes place? I am not responsible for these two time-bound yahoos who stand immobile at the edge of the waters of LIVING TRUTH, thirsty but unwilling to drink.
rk: However, the frustrations of such ignoramuses are duly noted, especially by the ignoramuses themselves, eh?
d: Your enemy is not Lou or anyone else who holds the mirror before your snoot. Your enemy is Ray.
rk: lou minatti (illuminati) is the kind of joke that no one laughs at.
rk: As for you, digger, it takes no great awareness to discern that your words ring with the dissonance of hatred. You so seethe with resentment and incapacity that you find yourself unable to express yourself with your own words. You are identified with and addicted to the use of the words of the very person you are compelled to attack. Such is the nature of an unhealthy ego of a modern day IGNORAMUS.
d: You, sir, are a dualistic, fragmented fucking loon.
rk: My, my, my, digger, see what I mean about seething?
rk: > You fellas missed the whole point of the post. You chose to throw the baby out with the bathwater. How smart was that?
d: Your "bathwater" stinks. Why? Because your "baby", so-called, is just a dead rat that drowned in the tub last July.
rk: Observe for yourself, savor the image you have just conjured up. Ask yourself, if that is what an intelligent man would say.
d: The smell of your TRVTH keeps people away in droves.
-- digger Ray Karczewski is a liar.
rk: Yet you are attracted by the very elements which you claim repel others. Not a healthy sign, is it? By the way, that sig line's gonna come back to bite you!!
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:58:47 GMT
From: Liberal Panda - confused as always (unknown) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
lp: What's the frequency, Ray?
lp: > This is a direct quote from Raymond Karczewski, attempting to defend an earlier post in which he made several historically inaccurate observations:
rk: When you are prepared to penetrate the conspiratorial cocoon surrounding the assassinations of JFK, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and/or speak definitively of the identity of those responsible for the Twin Towers assault on Sept. 11th, you can then understand the nature of your silly comments regarding historical accuracy. All you know is what your government and media has CONDITIONED you to know. And with that, you proceed to ARGUE!
rk: >> "What was heard linearly was not what I communicated nonlinearly. They managed to capture the written letter of the words, but missed the telepathic spirit necessary for understanding. Is it any wonder that my meaning was not understood?"
lp: > Folks, you just can't make this crap up -- you have to peddle it on a New-Age website and sell it to frustrated middle-aged women with houses lined with shelf after shelf of self-help books.
rk: Look, one who lacks integrity, who hides behind the temporary handle of "liberal panda," if you are too obtuse to not yet understand that the medium of dualistic, knowledge based language as presently used by human beings is hopelessly flawed and limited in scope when it comes to understanding and communicating the nondualistic essence of Truth, one human being to another, you haven't understood a thing. The key to it all is integrity. Without that nondualistic essence, the inmates wind up running the asylum.
rk: When you understand the nature of dualism and nondualism, I mean really understand it and not merely dabble and quibble with others over definitions at the superficial level of Satanic ruled dualistic knowledge, you will have grown sufficiently to understand why you and so many others are outraged by my words -- why my words raise so much HELL in such tortured Intellects.
rk: Ask yourself why you are so violent in the defense of your present state of limited understanding that you should cling to and yet resist the words of the person whose manner of expression disturbs you so. Yours is an addiction, is it not? If you truly understood that what another said was false, would you not just walk away and leave the other to his confusion? Yet the evidence consistently shows that you and others CANNOT do even that simple thing when you HEAR MY WORDS. Yes I said HEAR my words even as you find yourself READING them on this screen (there's a clue in there for you, if you have the Intelligence to see it).
rk: I single no one out. I stalk no one. I cling to NO ideas, mine or another's. I merely use them, then discard them. I speak my nondualistic Peace and mirror the dualistic reactions to it. I am guided not by ideas but by the holistic spirit of Intelligence which transcends the limited realm of ideas. That is the nature of Christ Consciousness. A Christ speaks Truth, and all the fury of Hell breaks out in reaction to it. That is the lesson yet to be learned by LEGIONS of Satanically driven, dualism-bound Intellects and the souls trapped therein.
rk: No, lp, at present, you are incapable of understanding the frequency you call for. All you are capable of doing is arguing over your own limited, conditioned grasp of words.
rk: Hell, isn't it?
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Shame on you. Seriously. This is sickening.
Re: IGNORANCE or INTELLIGENCE: What's the Frequency (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:25:09 GMT
From: This is BEYOND BELIEF! (unknown)
rk: When you are prepared to penetrate the conspiratorial cocoon surrounding the assassinations of JFK, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and/or speak definitively of the identity of those responsible for the Twin Towers assault on Sept. 11th, you can then understand the nature of your silly comments regarding historical accuracy.
You cannot, I repeat CANNOT, justify your unforgiveable ignorance of history this way Ray, and your continued attempts at bald-faced obfuscation are beyond belief. Just inform yourself you ass (!!) and shut the hell up about things you obviously know nothing about. Your delusions of persecution simply do not replace reality, and the only reason you get by in the world is because you've lived off taxpayer money for decades. You ought to be ashamed of your ignorant and parasitical lifestyle.
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Ray IS getting very, uh, **pitched** here
Re: What's the frequency, Ray? (Liberal Panda - confused as always)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:24:23 GMT
From: Amazing what a diseased mind can do (unknown)
But then again, we are talking about the same man who reflexively condemns anyone who disagrees with him as a "SATANIC INTELLECT BASSACKWARDS IGNORAMUS" who's part of a vast, global "AFAB/Skepticult/Robot media/government sponsored/instigated/controlled/manipulated/generated etc. etc. etc." plot to silence him. It's amazing the stuff a diseased mind can come up with when reality threatens to bust in.
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Look again.
Re: Keep in mind, Ray's just realized that we were attacked. (He thinks bin Laden's against him.)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:17:29 GMT
From: Kind of sad, really (unknown)
Ray's position is that WE initiated the attack, just like he apparently needs to believe we initiated every war we've been involved in since the Revolution against the English crown. The man stepped into a minefield, and doesn't even quite realize it yet. All of the provable facts that were pointed out to him about the two World Wars, the War of 1812, or anything else for that matter seem to have ricocheted off his skull. Go figure!
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Raymond Karczewski: you can't edit out reality
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:49:24 GMT
From: Your editing is very telling. Get help. (unknown)
unk: By the way, I never did a damned thing in my professional life of note. . .
rk: and mighty proud of it you are, too!!
No, **this is not what the original post said** Ray. It said "By the way, I never did a damned thing in my professional life of note, JUST LIKE YOU!!!!" Very, very interesting how you edited out that last vital part of the sentence! And even more interesting is the pure projection of your response: you have wasted your life, never got even an minimal education (as proved by your ridiculous claims about US military history), never had a profession, never accomplished anything, or were not able to retain a relation with your own children, yet you jam your meglomanical pride about your mental illness down people's throats here almost hourly. The point being, if you weren't clearly on the wrong side of a psychotic break, you, like this poster, would have been able to dispassionately evaluate your objective lack of accomplishment in life and see the book scam for what it is. Your problem is that you are so completely lost in your own meglomanical psychosis that **you somehow think you can edit out inconvenient facts that your emotions cannot tolerate.** If you want to attack people who post here, at least have the decency and integrity to respond to the real post, not to your edited version of the post.
rk: Perhaps you don't understand the difference between fact and opinion. The statement contained both. The person stated a fact when he admitted "By the way, I never did a damned thing in my professional life of note...," He offered an opinion when he said "JUST LIKE YOU!!!!"
rk: I merely separated fact from opinion, NEXT!!!
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No, it's a fact alright.
Re: Raymond Karczewski: you can't edit out reality (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:26:40 GMT
From: Hell, isn't it? (unknown)
No education, no job, no accomplishments, no even relation with your own children. Yes, you're a completely failure at everything, and have never done a single thing that anyone could ever respect. NEXT!!!
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No. But he is Ray's first and most formidable enemy
Re: Raymond Karczewski's only enemy is Raymond Karczewski (digger)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:40:51 GMT
From: It's the really sad part of the disease (unknown)
There are obviously plenty of people who despise Ray, but not a single one of them, for all their contempt, could ever do the tiniest fraction of the damage to Ray that Ray's own delusional refusal to get psychiatric help does to him on a moment-to-moment basis. There is undoubtedly no helping Ray get past this mental illness. That's the really tragic part of the disease: he really does think that the whole of reality, every single person on the face of the planet, is mentally ill, but not he. I anticipate he will eventually have to be institutionalized since old age only exascerbates the condition to the point where he won't be able to take care of basic physical functions. It would be best that they get him to the help he needs now so he can perhaps live a little of the life he has left. The law and economic reality being what they are however...
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So it's the government that is controlling your mind Ray?
Re: IGNORANCE or INTELLIGENCE: What's the Frequency (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:52:58 GMT
From: Your terror is unnecessary & irrational (unknown)
What all this obviously means is that you think everything you are think is exactly what the government is making you think. If all thought is government mind control in your view, then your own thoughts are scarcely exempt from that powerful and pervasive control. I can see you are a very, very frightened man, and your terror takes the form of an irrational conviction the government is sending out agents to make you think what they want you to think. This, however, is irrational, it has no basis in logic or evidence, and you don't have to live with this crippling terror. There are medical specialists that can help you understand the root causes and nature of your illness, and thereby help you be cured of them. Automatically attacking historical fact as government mind conditioning is obviously begging the question, because your own mind is would equally be controlled and conditioned. There are public health officials who can help you at very little cost to yourself. Seek them out, and start living again.
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"Telepathic spirit??"
Re: You're WRONG Ray. Get the hell over it! (You're seriously mentally ill &need help)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:33:02 GMT
From: Just pick up a book for a change man! (unknown)
This is a damned sight more abject than usual, even for the likes of you Ray. No "telepathic spirit" could possibly transform your lamentable lack of even basic education into anything that could ever be worthy of regard or respect. In fact, every vituperation you spam here trying to deny your own patent ignorance only makes your psychosis worse. You would be the object of pity if you weren't so violent and dangerous. Shut off your damned computer, pick up a book, and do something worthwhile for a change in your meaningless life. Either that or get to a psychiatrist.
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You're WRONG Ray. Get the hell over it!
Re: Internet MIND CONTROL: (Was: WAR: ) (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:40:17 GMT
From: You're seriously mentally ill &need help (unknown)
rk: They managed to capture the written letter of the words, but missed the telepathic spirit necessary for understanding.
The archives show the observations that prove you don't know that first thing about history, military or otherwise. You are seriously mentally ill and need help. Get it laready.
Southern Oregon Federal Credit Union -- Grants Pass -- Cave Junction -- Rogue River
Mrs. Anita Karczewski
P.O. Box 1870
Cave Junction OR 97523-1870
Dear Mrs. Karczewski
Our CEO is out of town at a conference and I wanted you to have our apologies as soon as possible for the inconvenience and the problems you have had in cashing your husband's checks through your own account at our Cave Junction Branch. You have been a valued long-time member.
We have set up a procedure with special instruction regarding the cashing of your husband's checks to ensure that there should be no further problems. Should you have any questions, feel free to call me at 479-2601 ext. 540.
Again, thank you for your understanding and on behalf of SOFCU, please accept our apology.
Sincerely,
Peggy Mull
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:42:44 GMT
From: Rick Vaughn (unknown)
Raymond Karczewski wrote:
rv: > Truth has fallen victim to your words AGAIN
rv: > Raymond Karczewski: you can't edit out reality
rk: >> You see, no matter what assaults may be launched upon Truth in order to smear it, distort it, and/or misdirect it, TRUTH STANDS ETERNAL, unaffected by it all.
rk: >> In describing the indestructible essence of such nondualistic (holistic/holy) TRUTH, a Spiritual Brother said it well when He said, "And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it." > > Ray Karczewski
Mr. Karczewski,
rv: > It is immensely disturbing to me that you claim to be a Christ, yet have not bothered to properly quote the TRUE and only Christ.
rk: Is not your "disturbance" tied to your belief that there is only one TRUE Christ?
rk: Such is the nature of dualistic suffering. Your religious conditioning has set you up for the lifelong stress which accompanies the irresolvable dualistic energy of IGNORANCE.
rv: > Read Matthew 16:18 to see what it was Jesus was referring to. Better yet, read the WHOLE New Testament over.
rk: Why do you "believe" the words of a dead man written long ago, yet not "believe" the words of a living man, written NOW? Surely you can see that you are equally ignorant of both?
rk: The fact is, you are not sufficiently aware of yourself to even answer that simple question. Both men are equally unknown to you. You are merely responding to words on a screen or those in a book. But who and what is it that is responding to each? What is the source of your discrimination that allows you to say there is only one TRUE Christ, and you assert the one presently writing to you is NOT HIM?
rk: You are merely playing mind games with yourself and coming up short at that.
rv: It is not TRUTH to which he refers, but his CHURCH.
rk: And it is TRUTH that I refer to and not HIS CHURCH.
rk: So why do you insist upon holding me to his words? The CHRIST that I AM has nothing to do with the mythical image you have been conditioned to worship. You are wearing spiritual blinders, the type that make for "the blind leading the blind."
rv: > You have once again fallen victim to your own words... "...no matter what assaults may be launched upon the Truth in order to smear it, DISTORT it, and/or misdirect it, truth stands eternal, unaffected by it all."
rk: I stand by those words. Perhaps you will expand on and clarify your "fallen victim" parochial judgment? Certainly such action would go a long way toward bringing about the understanding you seek in this relationship.
rv: > Had you read the Words of Christ, you would also know that he says He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life... and that no one can come to the Father but by Him.
rk: As I too, am the Way, theTruth, and the Life. But alas, just as you did not understand what He meant by those words, you also do not understand what I mean by those words.
rk: If on the other hand you do not wish to waste everyone's time by issuing forth empty Bible sound bytes and are willing to actually share your deep understanding of those words, relating how you perceive the words of a dead man should take precedence over the words of a living man, both of whom share the same Infinite living Spirit of Intelligence, i.e., TRUTH, by all means state them NOW.
rv: > The greek, christos, simply means anointed. The Christ, therefore, is the anointed one.
rk: Do you see how quick you are to revert to Satanic Knowledge so that you may endlessly quibble and argue over dead concepts while never, ever going beyond your circular, exhausting bickering and thus affording yourself the opportunity to touch the hem of TRUTH? That is the sign of your Spiritual Ignorance.
rv: > In Matthew 16:18, Peter TRUTHFULLY answers Jesus' question to him. Peter says, "You are the Christ." Notice, he did NOT say, "You are a Christ." In the words of The Highlander... There can be only one. (smile)
rk: How can I possibly "challenge" the word of a myth worshipping ignoramus who must rely upon "The Highlander" for his Truth? (not smiling)
rk: What makes the words of Matthew, Peter or Jesus, three dead Biblical characters of whom you have no understanding, any different than the words of a living Ray Karczewski whom you also do not understand?
rk: Do not tarry at the superficial level of intellectual, religious pitty-pat. Delve deeply within to the core of your being and tell us what resides there when you find yourself in a relationship which mirrors such a religiously smug state of mind.
rv: > I got a little off tangent there, and I apologize... or maybe I don't.
rk: Confusion and indecision is the very nature of a Satanic Driven (Opposer) dualism-based intellect. You've just demonstrated the Truism of one who abides in Hell -- you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
rv: > To me, it appears that for a man who claims to have the truth, you don't.
rk: Your word "appears" indicates you speak of "appearances." Appearances are illusions. Appearances are not TRUTH. Yet you are willing to judge and condemn another (you do understand condemnation, don't you?) based on your own *partial* grasp of an illusion based belief-ridden reality. Now I ask you -- How intelligent is that?
rv: > If you had the truth, you would have accepted the truths about Jesus and stopped the heresy of saying that you are a Christ as well.
rk: Spoken like any number of ignorant, dependent, Bible thumping, bigoted, mind controlled Christians who haven't a glimmer of understanding of that unique, nondualistic, nonreplicable, holistic energy of TRUTH but collectively relish in the practice of condemning one who mirrors their ignorance as a heretic. Have you not heard the one about "Judge not lest Ye be judged"? Perhaps you would like to expound on how you have personally arrived at the determination that my words are "heresy"?
rv: > If you must continue with your charade and illusions of grandeur, at least have the respect for the Word of God to quote it correctly.
rk: "Charade," "grandeur," "correctly" are your words, are they not? Are you beginning to see why organized Christianity is composed of Bassackward Satanic driven ignoramuses who are big on words but short on understanding? Why they are so prone to talk the talk, but not walk the walk? Why they dream of Heaven when they die, but live in HELL while on earth?
rv: > " I thank you for your time and attention.
Regards,
Rick
rk: Another empty Christian demonstration of hypocrisy. Reread your comments in this post. See if you don't agree.
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You are death, and disease, and violence
Re: A Christ and A Christian: A dialogue (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:35:15 GMT
From: You couldn't be more foreign to Christ (unknown)
You are obscene in the way you drag Christ's word sinto you vile hatred for humankind. All you do is spew rage and threats here, and you have no knowledge of Chruist or God that gives you insight or power to dump your disease on this man.
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You prove you satanic nature here definitively
Re: A Christ and A Christian: A dialogue (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:42:04 GMT
From: Foaming at the mouth!! (unknown)
This is nothing but an attack, as usual. Christ's wisdom and owrds didn't need to assult or insult or threaten anyone for their force to be heard. You, however, are pure satanic arrogance, and scream because you know you are a joke spiritually, and people hold you for such. Continued abuse and showings of your own intellectual and spiritual shortcomings only prove you are demonically possessed, and foaming at the mouth.
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Your toxic bigotry is despicable Ray
Re: A Christ and A Christian: A dialogue (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:56:16 GMT
From: Nothing to admire or emulate in this (unknown)
This man has every right to have different opinions from yours Ray without being viciously abused like this. Save your vile attacks for your own censored website. This kind of inquisitorial attack has no place here.
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This isn't a dialogue, it's another delusional attack
Re: A Christ and A Christian: A dialogue (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:05:27 GMT
From: You are incapable of dialogue (unknown)
This has nothing to do with dialogue or communciation, just you desperately trying to maintain your delusions you are Christ by assaulting anyone who doesn't believe that.
rk: NOTE: This article was sent out twice yesterday, Nov. 8th, 2001. It did not reach or appear in any of the usual newsgroups I normally post to. Nor has it been archived in Google Archive after several attempts to post it through Google's own Server.
rk: The evidence shows that someone working behind the scenes does not want this article to be seen and/or read on USENET. These tactics are quite typical when it comes to interfering with, and blocking my posts. This has been going on for years.
rk: The disinformation comments at the end of this article arise from the two postings made on the Oregonian (Oregon's Largest daily Newspaper) Town Square Forum. Both articles were removed and archived almost immediately, departing from their usual routine.
rk: This NOTE is being written to those who think there is FREE SPEECH and NO CENSORSHIP going on in America and on the Internet. These censorship/sabotage matters have been brought to the attention of the FBI over the years, yet they stand by and do nothing about it.
rk: What is being displayed is evidence of the Hegelian Dialectic being employed by the FBI and other Federal Officials, as they refuse to honor their Oath of Office and simply do their jobs with the existing laws and directives that are ALREADY IN PLACE. Such malfeasance only assures that our First Amendment FREEDOM of SPEECH rights are ultimately destroyed by either the passing of even more draconian legislation which restrict the rights and freedoms of the American people or the suspension of our US Constitution altogether. With respects to the restriction of freedoms previously enjoyed, have you folks been paying attention to the Daily Political News Lately?
Former Grants Pass Businessman Ed Wilkinson, formerly of Digital Arts, 880 NE 7th St., Grants Pass, OR 97526, (541) 479-8756, 1-800-446-8756. formerly of dgtlarts@cdsnet.net, (Agent Sir Ed) nope@nospam.com, agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com, former Arms Dealer, former self-professed Journalist, former Member of Oregon Republican Party Central Committee, also known as Mr. Ed, aka Sir Ed, aka Oregon Ed, aka Ray Kargoofy, aka (LIghtColonel Meepzorp-Bazza, SAIC), aka Raymond Karscrewloose, aka the generic "UNKNOWN," a regular and frequent poster on Town Square Forum, Klamath Falls Forum and APFN Patriot Forum: wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: Has the tenor of the attack upon my writings on the Internet changed? Has it shifted from the dark shadows of sub rosa mind control operatives into the public arena of overt manipulations by national politicians?
rk: Has the atmosphere of National and State politics so changed in this country as to allow our political leaders to throw caution to the wind in conducting their intriguing conspiracies?
rk: Read the following post. Decide for yourselves.
Re: Voice of Insanity regarding Sep 11 -- A KOOK'S RESPONSE
3 Nov 2001 12:56:37 -0800
Agent Sir Ed (agent-sir-ed@hotmail.com) wrote;
arkook@kookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) babbled in message
rk: >> Wednesday morning I received a phone call from a US Congressman's office inviting me to come to Washington DC and serve on a subcommittee of Business leaders chosen throughout the
ed: > Oh no, kazoo...not ANOTHER lie from you?!
rk: Lie? Read on.
ed: Sheesh, man, haven't you learned by now, your duplicity ALWAYS end up being exposed?
rk: I suggest the American People light a fire under their politicians while THEY STILL HAVE A MATCH! I then suggest that all politicians thus heated light a similar fire under the FBI. Squirming from the public heat, let the government FBI investigators focus their investigation on your posts and those of the Disinformation Agent who calls himself "tim hill" who, as do you, posts on the Internet under a multitude of other aliases.
rk: You two simplify the investigation on government/media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation agents operating under a host of aliases on these Internet newsgroups/forums.
rk: All government investigators need do is publicly confirm your's and tim hill's political background and business associations with government, the Intelligence community, print and broadcast media, and cult associations to blow this National scandal into "humpty dumpty" proportions; i.e., "All the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put 'HUMPTY DUMPTY' together again."
ed: This is yet another Who's Who sorta lie designed to pump up your flagging self-image, just like the one you told about some group titling you A Great American (if you paid them a certain fee!).
ed: Y'know, there's one simple solution to all your pathetic scavenging for respect-DON'T pay any attention to what people think of you! That way, you don't need to invent fictitious comittees and fictitious titles to feel important.
rk: ". . . invent fictitious comittees and fictitious titles to feel important." Since you've put it that way, you may verify the information yourself. The invitation extended to me to become an honorary member of the Business Advisory Council to advise President Bush on tax cuts and the economy came from the office of its chairman, Republican Congressman Tom Davis of Virginia.
rk: The female aide to Congressman Davis played a brief recorded message from the Congressman. She stated I had been chosen as an influential business leader to represent the State of Oregon as an honorary member of the committee. I declined.
rk: I have not voted in years. I have NEVER been a Republican, yet here I was being courted by the Republican Party. My "awareness" antenna went up!
rk: A subsequent phone call was received on Nov 7, 2001 13:45 pm from Colin Floyd of the National Republican Congressional Committee confirming the invitation previously extended on Oct 31, 2001 by Congressman Tom Davis's office.
rk: Ms Floyd stated they were in the process of putting together an upcoming ad in the Wall Street Journal to announce the formation of the committee and listing the names of the people on it. She again extended the invitation to become part of the committee and asked if they could add my name to the list. Once again I declined.
rk: What is curious in all this is that with your political affiliation -- membership (see above) in the Oregon's Republican Central Committee -- along with your employment in media, it would appear that the right hand of the Republican Party either doesn't know what the left hand is doing, or this is a last-ditch attempt to set up one who is publicly vocal on the Internet about the tyrannical abuses going on in our government. Especially when it concerns one whom they have STONE WALLED for years, denying ever having received any data on the Criminal Complaint I lodged with the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI on November 2nd, 1997.
ed: Of course, it wouldn't hurt to start becoming a respectable person...you know; pay your bills, get off government subsidies, stop running from the law, pay all those tickets you've amassed over the years and have neglected to pay, and most importantly, GET A JOB! It would do WONDERS for your self-esteem!
You're welcome!
Ed
rk: If after reading this, the people of America do not follow up on this National Scandal, they deserve the chains of slavery which await them and their children in the New World Order.
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What the hell is this paranoid sh*t?
Re: A National MIND CONTROL Scandal/ A Political Setup! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:28:44 GMT
From: (unknown)
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This is a very strange fabrication
Re: A National MIND CONTROL Scandal/ A Political Setup! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:32:10 GMT
From: Tape recordings from the government??? (unknown)
So you're now claiming government officials are calling you on the hpone, but then playing a tape recording instead of speaking to you directly? Ray, get help. Seriously. Your weird fixation on mind control and government conspiracies has completelt eaten your mind and soul away. Again get the help you desperately need.
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The NRCC has never heard of you.
Re: A National MIND CONTROL Scandal/ A Political Setup! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:46:53 GMT
From: Your lie's disproven at the source AGAIN (unknown)
I checked ony our story, and as usual it does not check out. The NRCC has never heard of you. Your lies are disproven at the source again.
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Could be someone's playing a prank on Ray
Re: The NRCC has never heard of you (Your lie's disproved at the source AGAIN)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:05:46 GMT
From: Not the1st time he's been hadby nonsense (unknown)
To grant Ray the benefit of the doubt, he has no ability at all to distinguish between joking and serious communication and between fantasy and reality. It may be he's not lying per se, he just doesn't know he's been had. Wouldn't be the first time Ray's been taken in by perfect nonsense.
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This is not only not beliveable, but
Re: A National MIND CONTROL Scandal/ A Political Setup! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:59:58 GMT
From: You just get sadder and sadder (unknown)
Beyond all this weirdness about getting called by some guy in Virginia and having a secret tape recording played instead of actually talking to the man, in addition to the fact the actual organization in question apparently does not even know who you are, your account simply rings false. There is no reason whatsoever anyone would ask someone like you to advise anyone about anything. You haven't held a job in decades, your mental illness is well-known, and your criminal record and threats of violence are a matter of judicial record. If you're going to make up self-aggrandizing narratives, have someone help you next time so they will stand up to even cursory scrutiny. As it is they have already fallen apart, including this one. You just get sadder and sadder.
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Yeah, now controlling your mind's a public media event
Re: A National MIND CONTROL Scandal/ REPOST (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:09:08 GMT
From: Except none of the media know it! (unknown)
No one even knows who you are Ray. Seriously. How could you possibly believe controlling your mind is now a public agenda of the media? You are an obvious nobody, since you spend all your time screeching on this little backwater forum, and have been banned for your abuse and threats virtually everywhere else. Get a grip.
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Ah! The evil "Tim Hill" again
Re: A National MIND CONTROL Scandal/ REPOST (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:11:37 GMT
From: There's a big bunny behind you Ray! (unknown)
The man has never posted here, making me think Ray invented him. How many conspirators have you made up to plot against you Ray? Harvey, get 'em!
From: "Chris Lober" (cwlo@interaccess.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:34:26 -0600
At 05:34 PM 3/9/97 -0600, Chris Lober wrote:
Hello Mr. Karczewski,
cl: You answered one of my posts on the internet back in June regarding "Does meditaton reduce motivation".
cl: I have continued meditation since then, and now understand the concepts you put forth. I have begun to move my life from one based on Duality to one based on Source consciousness. It has not been an easy journey, but I am now enjoying the presence of Source within me, and letting it lead my life.
cl: I just want to thank you for your help and advice, and let you know that I am now far enough along the path to helping others in their journey. I strongly believe that one's journey must be journeyed by themselves. I strongly disagree with pushing or preaching to people the benefits of meditation. Rather, I prefer to influence by example.
cl: So at this point, I have had friends come up to me and become interested in what I am doing. More specifically, I have two Christian friends who lead their lives according to the Bible; word for word. They would like to meet with me, and discuss what I am doing. However, I am concerned that they want me to accept their beliefs of being born into sin, and of accepting Jesus as my savior. I do believe in Jesus, but believe that we are not born into sin. (except maybe from the translation of being born with an ego mind, and a life of duality).
cl: I value my friendship greatly, and understand that they are approaching this with good intent, but that it is being "overlaid" with their belief system, based on dogma and duality. Do you have any advice for bridging this gap in a respectful manner?
Thank You,
Chris Lober
Chris,
rk: Let Go and Let God (the ultimate intelligence operate through you).
rk: It would seem by your expression that you are in fact already operating intermittently at that level of awareness.
The mind is a funny thing. It wants a secure plan before action is taken, when in fact no such a thing is possible; for thought and action are quite different in vibration.
To understand that no matter what is expected of you in the future, you are equal to the task and therefore IT WILL BE DONE, is to have the utmost security in life.
This is an energy beyond conception of the mind. It is the primal energy that cuts away fear and doubt attendant to dualistic levels of thought and reveals only the nondualistic energy of What Is. That is all the protection you or anyone else will ever need in this lifetime.
Be at-one with the Truth and you"ll never go wrong, for that is all there actually is (all else is the illusion of appearances). Be not concerned over such peripheral appearances. Don't concern yourself with conceptualizing truth; merge with the primal vibration of truth (you already understand that as your energy reveals).
Your Christian friends are like all conditioned entities. They are operating out of dualistic conditioning and you can expect that your words guided by the nondualistic Spirit of Love are going to shake them to the very core of their parochial beliefs.
There is no easy way. There is only the Way of Truth.
I hope this helps,
agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com (Agent Sir Ed)
9 Nov 2001 01:35:41 -0800
arkook@kookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) hysterically screeched and then lied in message:
rk: > Former Grants Pass Businessman Ed Wilkinson
ed: Well, ya' got ONE thing right, shock of shocks!
rk: > poster on Town Square Forum, Klamath Falls Forum and APFN Patriot Forum: wrote:
ed: (sigh..) Hey kazoo, there you go, lying again. I have never once posted to Town Square Forum, Klamath Falls Forum or APFN Patriot Forum...I don't even know how to get to the Klamath Falls Forum or the APFN Forum and I have never once called myslef "unknown" on any forum or newsgroup anywhere.
ed: See, this is just one more example of why you are a liar and the truth is not to be found in you.
ed: Hell, ain't it?!
Ed Raymond Karczewski is a liar
rk: What about the following posts
Subject: Kazoo Returns to The Sty (was: Re: "Stigmata", Mind Control and You! Part II) Date: 2000/03/06
From: Sir Ed (nope@nospam.com)
In article (38c40c13.187529343@news.meganews.com), kazoo@internetcds.com (Kazoo Kaczinski) belched:
rk: > This is a repeat posting of this article on the Oregonian's Town Square Forum.
rk: The first was removed by the Forum Administrator, shortly after it was publicly posted. It was removed even though it can be seen to have met the protocols set for posting on the forum.
ed: It's because you libeled me repeatedly, saying that I, personally, was "under FBI investigation" when I wasn't.
ed: Furthermore, you refused to obey their simple rules, protesting vehemently and displaying a childish refusal to adhere to the decorum and standards of the group.
snip...
Sir Ed ex-Executive Director of the now-disbanded Internet Mind Control Project. which Broadcast to Raymond's Buttocks 1993-2000 Toodles!
Sigh...More 'Zoo Pap! (was: Re: Husband and Wife Censored By The Medford Mail Tribune Forum (Anita Karczewski)
From: Agent Sir Ed (nope@nospam.com)
Date: 1999/11/21
snip. . . .
rk: >> This communication which I am presently responding to on the Oregonian's Town Square Forum, on Nov. 20, 1999, is, to my personal knowledge, the first and only time you have ever affixed your true name to a post.
ed: > It has always been eminently clear that it is I who post my satires like Raymond Karscrewloose and Light Colonel MeepzorpBazza, of the InterGalactic Bureau of Investigation, because the header has ALWAYS read "nope@nospam.com."
rk: >> You conduct your vicious, libelous attacks on others
ed: > Uh...'zoo, YOU are the one who has consistently libeled me, calling me a CIA Agent, an NSA Agent, a Manchurian Candidate, a Government Mind Control Agent, a Government Disinformation Agent and stated that I am "under criminal investigation by the FBI" when Ice_Nine's interview with the FBI says that we are not, that there IS no complaint!
ed: >>>I do not intend to be a participant in these forums,
rk: >> At least, not under the name [Agent Sir Ed,] eh?
ed: >>>Actually, I have a confession to make...I am EVERYONE who has ever posted to that forum!
ed: >>> Heh heh heh!
ed: >>>To call me that is slanderous, libelous, defamatory and potentially dangerous. In some parts of the world, to be accused of being a CIA Agent is enough to get you assulted or killed.
rk: >> You keep forgetting, ed wilkinson, I have never called you a CIA Agent
ed: > Zoo, you have called me a CIA Agent, an NSA Agent, a Government Disinformation Agent, a Manchurian Candidate, and said that I am being "hypnotically mind-controlled by [my] Government Mind Control Handlers."
ed: > Unless, of course, you now deny that. In which case, hallelujah!
rk: >> What I posted was your yellow page business information extracted from the local phone directory under the listing for PRINTERS/Digital Arts (page 174). Your email addresses were taken from earlier posts on these public newsgroups. There was nothing in any of the available information to suggest or indicate that you conduct your business from your personal residence.
ed: > Ray, I live here, it is my home, I am no longer in business, and I assume it is a violation of rules to keep posting it to forums.
ed: > Not, of course, that rules have any meaning to you. You, who refuse to pay your traffic ticket, who refuse to return to California to answer that bench warrant for your arrest, you, who are driving with a suspended license, with no valid car insurance.
ed: > It's too bad your rules of "responsible behavior" do not apply to your own actions, Kazoo!
rk: >> ed, I suggest you contact the Medford FBI first
ed: > 'zoo, I have tried repeatedly, with no success. The Express guy had a heart attack and I had to take over running that department. My new hours are 9-6, Monday through Friday, and I have no more free time for galivanting around on a fool's (kook's?) errand.
ed: > It is usually incumbent upon the accuser to prove his accusations, 'zooster, so you cannot responsibly claim that I am "under criminal investigation by the FBI" without proving it, according to the rules of the forums you have been libeling me in.
ed: > It's as if I suddenly started claiming that you are a right-wing terrorist, with plans to start a revolution. If I started claiming that, it would not be incumbent upon you to disprove those claims, it would be incumbent upon me to prove them.
ed: > But, alas, I'm afraid reason, logic and truth escape you, so I doubt if you can read these sentences!
rk: >> can be armed with facts before you contact anymore private offices or public agencies in your attempts to destroy my and my wife's good reputations.
ed: > Huh? You admitted that you have a warrant for your arrest in California. You admitted that there is a ticket that you refuse to pay, also in California. You posted the letter yourself, from the Oregon DMV, wherein they stated that they would suspend your license on your birthday if you continued to refuse to pay your ticket, and according to every insurance company I have spoken with, the moment someone drives without a valid license their insurance is automatically declared null and void, which means that you are driving around with no license and no valid car insurance.
ed: > I have stated the truth, nothing more. Or, if you need that paraphrased in 'Zoo Speak, I was Mirroring your lack of responsibility!
rk: > > You have been quite busy at this of late, have you not. [Agent Sir Ed]? Why don't you post a list of all the public agencies and private business owners you have contacted in your attempts to smear my reputation and interfere with my life?
ed: > Huh?? This is a totally new, and, as usual, baseless accusation! "Public Agencies" I've contacted, to "smear your reputation"?? I don't even know what you mean!
ed: > The Josephine County Sheriff's Office and the District Attorney already knew, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, posted here on alt.fan.art-bell, that you were deliberately driving around without a driver's license!
ed: > And "private business owners" I've contacted???!! Huh?! I called a few different insurance agencies, telling them about your statements that you were driving around without a license, and asking them if your insurance was still valid without a driver's license.
ed: > Is THAT what you mean, or are you implying something totally different?
ed: > Because, if you ARE, I have done no such thing, and this libel is one more pinecone to add to the fabled Evidence Pile in your front yard!
rk: So let me recapitulate what you have said here and what you have ommitted to say.
You deny contacting government media, and private business with the intent to smear the reputation of my wife and me yet:
rk: . . . and you have the audacity to state: "Huh?? This is a totally new, and, as usual, baseless accusation! 'Public Agencies' I've contacted, to 'smear your reputation'?? I don't even know what you mean!"
example:
"Will The Kazoo Be Extradited? (was: Re: A Letter to the District Attorney and Sheriff of Josephine County Oregon) Date: 1999/09/20:
ed: "Hmmm, interesting, so Kazoo's license is ALREADY suspended? I'll let Sheriff Daniels know, and also that the Kazoo has an unpaid ticket and arrest warrant out on him in California. They may want to extradite him until he pays them what he owes them!"
Other examples:
1. "Re: Raymond Karczewski and Net Abuse: Yea or Nay? Date: 1999/05/23"
2."Re: Ray K: shameless sheep-shanking shyster Date: 1999/05/11"
3."Re: The AFAB Bullies Date: 1999/08/08"
4."Re: Ray's cancelled posts" Date: 1999/08/09"
5 "Ray's Nuttier Than Ever, and Fuming Mad, To Boot! Date: 1999/08/16"
ed:1 "I would never complain to a person's ISP because I believe in the free intercourse of ideas."
ed:2 "You should call CDS and complain. Someone needs to take Ray to task for his shameless behavior..."
ed:3 "Yeah..I found rvi.com last night, they are a local server."
ed:4 "I will meet with rvi.com (my ISP rk) tomorrow, to let them know that you are telling people I am "under FBI investigation."
ed:5 "I checked with the Salem DMV, told them of his advocacy regarding people's renouncing their driver's licenses, and told them that he was stating that he is going to renounce his."
rk: Perhaps you will understand you have indicted yourself with your own computer keyboard. However such apparent incompetence will not provide for a defense for your government/media sponsored/supported disinformation activity on the Internet when you and the identities of your government, Intelligence, media, and cult handlers are exposed from the witness stand.
rk: >> ....petition the Oregonian and/or the Medford Mail Tribune to assign an investigative reporter to contact the Medford FBI Special Agent in charge of the investigation
ed: > Don't you see how truly goofy you look, Kazoo? You're a kook! There IS no Internet Mind Control Project, and there is no Mind Control being conducted by the government on the newsgroup alt.fan.art-bell, and to read you saying that is so goofy and whacko that I almost cringe with embarassment for you!
rk: >> As for me, I say, "PRESIDENT CLINTON, FBI DIRECTOR FREEH, SENATOR WYDEN, SENATOR SMITH, TEAR DOWN THAT STONE WALL!"
ed: > But, Kazoo...you're a kook. The FBI and White House don't get involved in chasing down Kook Claims, be they UFO's, Space Aliens from Mars or Internet Mind Control Projects being conducted on the flame newsgroup alt.fan.art-bell!
You're welcome! --
Agent Sir Ed Executive Director,
Internet Mind Control Project. Broadcasting to Raymond's Buttocks Since 1993