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Ponder This:
Until Ye Die to the Satanic Intellect, the Architect of Hell on Earth, Ye Shall not be Reborn of the Spirit of Infinite Intelligence.
When the Satanic momentum of Intellectual Dualism ends, the Peace of nondualistic Truth IS.
The Kingdom of Heaven (nondualism) is always At Hand. It manifests when the scales of Spiritual Blindness fall away from the eyes of mind controlled, Intellectually conditioned human beings.
Each is a Christ, an holistic being, a Son/Daughter of God; most, however, come to suffer Amnesia of that fact.
Mankind is now facing a Crisis in Consciousness. How that Crisis is approached will dictate whether man lives in Peace and Freedom or Tyranny and Slavery. It dictates whether millions will live or die.
If the Crisis is approached Spiritually, Life Everlasting is its own reward. If the Crisis is approached Politically, Death and Destruction is all that awaits those who support such Hell-bound agendas.
Suppose America gave a war, and no Americans attended?
War is Institutionalized insanity, declared by the few, fought by the many and affecting All.
War is a Population Control measure.
The Ravages of War cannot issue forth without first a mind controlled populace lending their Support, tacit or otherwise, to warmongering leaders over that of which they themselves have No Understanding.
Ask yourself, does that sound Intelligent to you? Are you ready to sacrifice your children on the altar of WAR?
To have a War, one must first have an enemy. How many days have passed since the events of 911? And yet a Definitive Enemy has not yet been named. Nevertheless America is being primed for war.
Are any of you willing to blindly go out and assist in murdering thousands, perhaps millions of innocents -- women, children, civilians -- on such feeble say-so of a cadre of historically proven less than candid politicians?
Americans, ask this question of yourselves, for your very life, the life of your family, and your very Freedom may depend on it: Who has the power to tell you who your Enemy is?
I submit no man has the right to tell another sovereign human being who the latter's enemy is. That is the utmost of personal decision to be made; and it must be made in clarity, not emotionalism or confusion.
It is time we put away the legal defense of a Nation considered not guilty by reason of collective Insanity.
Yet who is it if not the media, the insanity makers, the mind controllers, that has turned on the propaganda machine and is working the American Public into a frenzied war mind set?
Let us, as Human Beings, once and for all break the Satanic back of war, do away with HELL ON EARTH.
It's time Human Society gave Peace a chance.
I say TO HELL WITH HELL!!
1. Take back personal *control* over your money. Withdraw from the *Voluntary* withholding tax agreement you have with your employer. Get a full day's pay for a full day's work. Money is the symbol of your "output" of Life's energy. Guard it well!
2. Rescind the fictitious National Debt created through interest owed on valueless paper money by those who magickally "conjured" it up out of Nothing. Take your money out of the hands of the "money changers/handlers" -- the bankers.
3. Restructure your government by demanding that it fund its own services through the *Trillions* of dollars it currently has in its coffers through investments outlined in the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report -- CAFR!! Do this at least until there is a return to a stable, value backed monetary policy.
4. Abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve System. Send them packing. Remove the United Nations from American Soil. Cut off all Monetary Contributions to them.
5. Return responsibility for the coining of money to a restructured Congress occupied by those who will RESTATE and HONOR their Constitutional Oath of Office.
6. Bring back our Military from foreign soil. Let them protect their own Loved Ones and Homes.
KNOW WHO THE TRUE TERRORISTS ARE!
Do that, and there need not be a SHOT FIRED in Revolution or in war against an unknown enemy our leadership is unable to identify!
How many of you reading this, who consider yourselves to be Intelligent, are really INTELLIGENT enough to see this as the only viable, bloodless solution to mankind's self-made present crisis?
Does it involve breaking the mold of the familiar habitual patterns of behavior which have long been inculcated into us through mind control? You BET IT DOES!
Do you have the COURAGE to face such an unknown?
Or does the familiar but inevitable fate which awaits all who prefer the security of slavery to freedom bind you through capitulation to an hypnotic bond you perceive too strong to break?
That's a question only you can answer as you probe it in the depth and quiet solitude of your own consciousness. Do not be ruled by the noisy consensus of the Hell-bound as they jockey to organize and establish position/power, but allow the clarity that comes only through the silence of solitude to guide you in your next step.
Be Honest. Be True to yourself. BE TRUTH!
That is all the protection each of you will ever need in life.
If you see the simple Truth of what has been expressed in this article, share it with your loved ones. Then repost the message to all Internet groups you perceive to have an interest in changing our world short of bloody revolution/war.
LET'S GET SERIOUS!!
Let us cover the Internet with this simple message of Peace.
Do not SINK to a NEW WORLD ORDER. LET US RISE to a NEW WORLD CONSCIOUSNESS
rk: Read the following. Then meditate on what you have just read.
rk: Understand that if they can do it to ME, they can do it to YOU!!
rk: If you see that enough is enough and no one is safe from character assassination under the guise of free speech, then affix your name to the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
It's time to take back control of OUR Country and OUR Lives!!
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unk: That would be you and your threats of violence
Wed Oct 31 13:12:29 2001
unk: You are the only one threatening anyone with violence here Ray. Take your screeds elsewhere: you've already been busted several times, had repeatedly court judgments entered against you, and continuing to refuse mental health attention is going to land you in jail again.
rk: AGAIN??? When was the First such bust and/or "lawful judgment" entered against me?
rk: I have NEVER been arrested nor incarcerated nor have I required "mental health" attention at any level, for any reason in my entire life. Nor have I spent any time at all in any jail except for those duties which were required of me as a Police officer.
rk: You Government/Media sponsored/supported Disinformation Agents are in a state of panic, are you not? You are finding that time is drawing short. It is evident to even the most casual reader that you are pulling out all of the stops in your unrelenting, six year long ongoing Internet DEFAMATION Campaign against myself, my wife, and other family members.
rk: Surely you don't think the American People are going to stand by FOREVER like so many helpless dupes and impotently accede to the STONEWALLING practices of the FBI, Congress, and White House in their frantic "hail mary" attempt to evade responsibility for this issue of Internet Mind Control?
rk: Especially when the object of their focus has offered the only viable solution to stopping this New World Order strawman *War on Terrorism* and is empowering U.S. Citizens to take back control of their country and our lives.
rk: No, I am afraid your NEW WORLD ORDER "house of cards" is about to collapse.
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You mock him, but he is genuinely dangerous
Re: Raymond Karczewski one of the top 5 Usenet kooks (a)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:33:47 GMT
From: Ray's ex-neighbor -- read this. (unknown)
unk: People who mock Ray and are entertained by him have obviously never met the man.
unk: I lived a few doors away from him years ago, in California -- he was just off the police force back then, and he was already a kook. This was before he started this "Christ consciousness" nonsense, and his money-making website.
rk: We have here another Government/Media sponsored/supported Anonymous Disinformation Agent in the act of practicing his cowardly trade.
unk: Every so often, Ray would come running out of his house ranting and yelling -- we all thought he was just a drunk or something.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: Sometimes, he would drive over people's lawns and throw garbage on their porches and windows. He poisoned a few cats. He threatened a neighbor's pre-teen son.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: Once, he stood on his front lawn waving a large knife and threatened to kill my 8-year-old son, who was riding his bicycle down the street.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: We called the cops on him several times -- cops he used to work with -- and they would come out and "have a talk with Ray", which always lead to more threats and destructive acts by him.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: Finally, he moved -- to Oregon I guess -- and everyone in the neighborhood was greatly relieved.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED! --- When the kids were grown and on their own, Anita and I sold our Private Security/Investigation business (Pacific Coast Investigations and Security), sold the house and toured the country for four years in a motor home.
rk: After scouring the Country, Anita and I ultimately decided to settle down in Oregon.
rk: Not Anita, myself, nor any of my children experienced any of the events which have been described in this post (discounting my one-time arrest of a neighbor's son who burglarized my next door neighbor's house. By the way he was convicted.) and experienced the most cordial of relationships with all neighbors.
rk: Your statements are PURE MALICIOUS FICTION.
rk: Shall we put your statements to the test? Idenify yourself. State your true name and your address in Pacifica at the time you claim to have resided there (but then you would only reveal you were never a neighbor of mine), and we'll turn over all of what you have said in this post to the FBI. Then you and I will stand under the same Light of Scrutiny. However, only one of us will be going to jail for it. I'm up for it. Are YOU?
unk: You forum regulars probably think he's a harmless kook who rants and raves on the 'net. You are wrong. He is NOT harmless at all. He should have been locked up many times, but police are very unlikely to lock up a fellow officer, no matter how badly he acts.
rk: Your vicious slurs are being disseminated as you slink surreptitiously, working the crowd with muffled whispers in your attempt to rouse the gullible rabble eh?
unk: I'm just glad that my family and property are safe now. He is not funny. He killed small animals and threatened children with death.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
rk: Moments like this cause me to doubt the sanity of my Fellow Americans and any possibility for the continuance of America as a Sovereign Nation while this level of criminal activity is allowed to flourish openly within and without our government and erode our freedoms because a fearful, apathetic public can be so easily misdirected into fixing their attention upon the WAR "de jour" CAMPAIGNS such as WAR ON DRUGS, WAR ON DRUNK DRIVING, WAR ON GUNS, WAR ON TERRORISM, ETC.
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This is old news
Re: You mock him, but he is genuinely dangerous. (Ray's ex-neighbor -- read this.)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:39:58 GMT
From: Some similar behavior here (unknown)
unk: He's repeated some of this behavior in Cave Junction: insane fits of anger and threatening people with weapons.
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
unk: I don't think he actually killed any animals, but I stay away from him so I may not know He keeps getting released, and I wonder what is up with that.
rk: I HAVE NEVER been incarcerated so how could one say that I keep "getting released"?
unk: Does he actually have to kill someone before he is locked up?
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Maybe -- all I know is he killed small animals
Re: This is old news (Some similar behavior here)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:42:03 GMT
From: in our neighborhood -- no jail time. (unknown)
rk: NEVER HAPPENED!
"God©TM" (someone@microsoft.com)
Thurs 01 Nov 2001 18:19:06 GMT
"Raymond Karczewski" (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote
rk: > Read the following. Then meditate on what you have just read.
rk: > Understand that if they can do it to ME, they can do it to YOU!!
rk: > If you see that enough is enough and no one is safe from character assassination under the guise of free speech, then affix your name to the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
Dear Raymond
Thank you for the gentle reminder that we all have Christ consciousness. I deeply respect many of the things which you have said, and I can certainly understand why you have roused some enemies. It's obvious on every newsgroup, that those few individuals, who seemed to know exactly which nerve to tap, were the most violently responded to.
I'm not exactly certain as to what I do or do not believe about anything. In fact, sometimes I feel that the very act of believing in any idea is a step further from clarity. There seems to me to be an inherent flaw in the entire Occidental view of life. I have studied many religions over the years as I'm sure most other people here have, to one degree or another, every religion has its good points and bad points. what I have always been most fascinated by over the years, is the meditative, introverted aspects of religions. And they all seem to have this esoteric element, however remote.
Nevertheless, it remains a fact that some schools of philosophy/religion/life have developed the meditative, esoteric to a far greater degree than others. It is these schools which I focus on when I am seeking wisdom in understanding a difficult situation.
If we seek to be responsible for ourselves, I think that we need to acknowledge the fact that we're not victims of mind control, so much as victims of our own minds. The reason for why we're so easily manipulated by the media, the government, and the corporate world, is because they know our strengths, and our weaknesses. We often approach the world, like an individual, wearing green tinted classes, and thinking that the world is green. We cannot see that the "green" (greed, hatred, and dillusion), are within our own minds. Most people are manipulated by television, by the sex and violence, because that is all that they want to indulge their minds in. That is thier karma, and we are not responsible for the karma of others. However, the awareness of thier suffering,and the suffering of all things in the world is our karma, and the question for us is, what is the best way of dealing with this. One question, which I often ask myself, is whether I am seeing the suffering of others, or seeing my own suffering projected onto them.
A very enlightened old master, with whom I have been blessed to live with for one year in Japan, once said that we have to work our own minds, once we have completed that work, we shall see that everything is perfect, and exactly as it should be. I only wish that I had been strong enough, intelligent enough, and enlightened enough to stay longer with this person. I truly believe, that Western(Christian) thought, took a left turn, when it should have taken a right. Our whole world is about thought, we ceaselessly try to think our way into and out of everything.
I can tell Raymond, from the things which you have said in your post that you are a very compassionate person. You can see that this is Heaven. It should no longer matter to you, (and I'm sure that it doesn't), how much you are slandered. Those people, who are wise enough to see through the accusations against you, will hear what you have to say, those who are easily deceived, would never understand what you are saying in the first place.
As the Dalai Lama, and many other wise people have said recently, now is the time to focus on compassion, to let go of hatred and anger. Obviously, if we look at the myriad of the new changes in our world, (tremendous increase in university tuition/ corporate control of university faculties/corporate control of medical care/ the increasing instances of corporate sponsorship in all levels of the education system/ the new measures,which the government is taking in limiting civil liberties/ the complete coercion of the television and newspaper media/ and the weeding out of people like yourself), we begin to realize, if ever so slowly, that everything which we call familiar is gone. We now stand at the threshold of a new era. It would seem, that now is the time to eradicate dillusions. Peace be with you!
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 03:16:31 GMT
From: enough is enough! (unknown) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
unk: Why this maniac hasn't been arrested is beyond me. As I stated in my previous post, the police were called several times to deal with Ray's violent behaviour, and in every case, they "came out to talk with Ray" -- he was never arrested, so far as I know.
unk: As for Ray "never needing mental health services", well, forum readers can certainly make up their own minds about that.
unk: As for me releasing my name and previous address in California -- I'm sure Ray would love that. Let me tell you something, neighbor -- you have not only threatened public officials in Oregon and elsewhere, you are maniacal enough to actually brag about it on the web. I have no doubt that you would threaten my family again, as you did in the past.
rk: Perhaps you will document in detail the threats you claim I have made against public officials in Oregon and elsewhere. After all, everything is written in black and white and is retrievable from the Internet (Google) Archives.
unk: If that alone doesn't alert people to the fact that you are dangerous, I don't know what will. I watched a grown man threaten to kill my young son in front of several neighbors and get off with a "talking-to" by the local police. Everyone within 2 blocks knew about Ray and avoided him like the plague.
unk: Again, maybe you forum regulars think he's kinda funny, eccentric, a "character", whatever. He is none of these -- he is a dangerous, mentally ill man. If he was YOUR neighbor, you wouldn't find him funny at all. I'm sure the elected officials of California and Oregon whom Ray has physically threatened don't find him funny in the least.
rk: Perhaps you'll release the names of the California and Oregon Officials whom you claim I "physically threatened". You can do it sooner or later. Later would be when you are sitting alone on the witness stand in Federal Court and find your deceptions have come back to haunt you?
rk: I wouldn't be laughing either if I were in your shoes facing Federal time for Conspiracy to Libel and Treason (rogue government sponsored/supported Mind Control/Disinformation operation used against unwary Internet-using Americans).
rk: After all, how long do you think the Satanic few who rule the many can manage to keep a lid on a national scandal of this magnitude, one which threatens the very future of our U.S. Constitution?
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Ray's the forum psycho
Re: Weird...the guy just posts earlier responses...
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:49:44 GMT
From: Stay away from Cave Junction I guess (unknown)
With a hell of a criminal record. He just pretends courts aren't lawful, ignores them, then screams when he has further coumpounded legal problems. Only a question of time before this jerk really hurts someone.
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You have much to atone for
Re: Constitution, Nat'l Security, Mind Control, & CHRIST (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:57:46 GMT
From: I really had no idea of your history (unknown)
I must admit I had dismissed you as a kook. I knew you had legal problems in California and had to leave the state, but I had no idea this was the nature and magnitude of what you did there. In addition, you have repeatedly posted threats to take guns up against your neighbors and go into the streets as a oneman armed revolution against mind-control NWO AFAB, what the hell came after that conspiracies, so you own posts are consistent with what you are denying here. I hope the police get you before you kill anything or anyone else.
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You yourself posted your whines about the court judgments
Re: AMERICA: Break the Spell of Mind Control! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:47:17 GMT
From: Now we know why you had to flee CA (unknown)
If you had any mind left, you'd realize you not only were busted and found guilt repeatedly here in Oreogn, but posted your whiny screeds about it here repeatedly. At least now we know why you had to flee California. Your need for emergency psychiatric intervention is obvious.
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Yeah. Just keep screaming NEVER HAPPENED
Re: AMERICA: Break the Spell of Mind Control! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:33:08 GMT
From: and you erase history. What an ass. (unknown)
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Never arrested? Then your own posts were lies?
Re: AMERICA: Break the Spell of Mind Control! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:34:16 GMT
From: Are you even aware of what you spam here (unknown)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:35:50 GMT
From: Greg Laux (wimp@worldnet.com) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
gl: Hate to say it, but Ray has a point.
gl: Look, if someone spread undocumented lies about me on the internet, I'd be upset a bit. If those lies were vicious and criminal, I'd be really upset.
gl: The so-called accusers that post all these awful things that Ray has supposedly done have not offered one shred of evidence to support their claims.
gl: Read what Ray has written -- it is common sense, for the most part. What he calls Satanic Intellect and BASSACKWARDNESS is really the Fall from Grace mentioned in the Bible.
gl: So, he gets his Prophecy and New Testament a little mixed up in the name of New Age religion -- it's harmless, and I'm sure it sells a few copies of his books and tapes on his website.
gl: I believe him when he states that he lives off his pension and whatever he earns from his website, that he is living in comfortable retirement with his wife, that he was a policeman and a private investigator.
gl: If he has trouble with authorities (such as his refusal to get a driver's license), I'm sure they are handling it just fine.
gl: Threats, killing animals, hurting little boys -- I agree with Ray, show the evidence or shut up about it.
rk: greg, you're missing the point of what is really going on here.
rk: This defamation campaign has been going on since I began to share my truth with the Internet using public some 6 + years ago.
rk: Ask yourself Why?
rk: The answer is quite obvious. The Satanic few who rule the many cannot allow nondualistic TRUTH to mirror the Hellish state of dualistic consciousness without the risk of losing their power over the hypnotized masses who otherwise would WAKE UP to their outer directed hypnotic trance.
rk: Such spiritual awakening poses a threat to the political and religious Status Quo as It exposes and disintegrates the Satanic influence of mind controllers who assume dominion over the Satanically driven, dualistic Intellect.
rk: That's why Men of Truth, Christs, are never welcome in Hell-bound civilized societies.
rk: I bring to the Internet in my day, what Jesus brought to his contemporaries in His day. You see what they did to him. You see what they are doing to me.
rk: Everyone reading my posts, on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm especially those articles marked with "***" are treated to a demonstration of the energies of Heaven (nondualistic balance) and Hell (dualistic imbalance) as they unfold simultaneously in human relationship.
rk: It manifests in the form of Spiritual Mirroring.
The pain and suffering of the human spirit held hostage by mind controllers within the debased dualistic realm of the intellect is quite obvious.
Hell, isn't it?
Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:23:47 GMT
"In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why it is hated around the world. And that's why we're the target of terrorists… Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so we can have the oil under their sand, we should send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water, and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill hundreds of Iraqi children every day with our sanctions, we should help Iraqis rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals, and all the things we have destroyed and prevented them from rebuilding."
Bishop Robert Bowman United Catholic Church, Melbourne Beach, FL
"I personally believe we need to think seriously whether a violent action is the right thing to do and in the greater interest of the nation and people in the long run. I believe violence will only increase the cycle of violence. We will set the course for tomorrow, today. At this hour, in this moment let us seek not to pinpoint blame, but to pinpoint cause. Unless we take this time to look at the cause of our experience, we will never remove ourselves from the experience it creates. Instead, we will forever live in fear of retribution from those within the human family who feel aggrieved, and, likewise, seek retribution from them."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
"Working within the complexity of coalitions might enable us to tackle another complexity: that the war against terrorism can only be truly won when we also declare war on the roots which cause such acts of barbarity: poverty, illiteracy, injustice, and disease…. Unless there is an equally dedicated attack on the causes of terrorism, there will never be victory in the war against terrorism."
Jim Garrison, Founder and President State of the World Forum
"The possibilities before the human family are immense, although they are not always apparent in a world in which too many of our brothers and sisters are suffering from hunger, malnutrition and the lack of access to medical care and to education, or are burdened by unjust government, armed conflict, forced displacement and new forms of human bondage. In seizing the available opportunities, both vision and generosity are necessary, especially on the part of those who have been blessed with freedom, wealth and an abundance of resources. The urgent ethical issues raised by the division between those who benefit from the globalization of the world economy and those who are excluded from those benefits call for new and creative responses on the part of the whole international community. Here I would emphasize again what I said in my recent meeting with President Bush, that the revolution of freedom in the world must be completed by a 'revolution of opportunity' which will enable all the members of the human family to enjoy a dignified existence and to share in the benefits of a truly global development."
Pope John Paul II
"There has to be an in-depth, sober, objective process of taking stock of the root causes of global terrorism and developing an appropriate response to it. Without justifying the current terrorist attack on the US, we can ask the following questions. Is the US reaping the terrorist policies it has sowed? Why the intense hatred for the US? Will the ordinary US citizen awaken to the global impacts that US government policies are having, policies that are crafted by a few in power? Are US economic policies that one-sidedly glorify competition and profit over equitable human development, resulting in massive poverty, de facto terrorist policies?"
Nicanor Perlas, President, Center for Alternative Development Initiatives
"It isn't indifference. It's just augury:.. it's reasonable to wonder why the symbols of America's economic and military dominance — the World Trade Center and the Pentagon — were chosen as the targets of the attacks. Why not the Statue of Liberty? Could it be that the stygian anger that led to the attacks has its taproot not in American freedom and democracy, but in the US Government's record of commitment and support to exactly the opposite things — to military and economic terrorism, insurgency, military dictatorship, religious bigotry and unimaginable genocide (outside America)? It must be hard for ordinary Americans, so recently bereaved, to look up at the world with their eyes full of tears and encounter what might appear to them to be indifference. It isn't indifference. It's just augury. An absence of surprise. The tired wisdom of knowing that what goes around eventually comes around. American people ought to know that it is not them but their Government's policies that are so hated."
Arundhati Roy, Author
"Without sharing there can be no justice; without justice there can be no peace; without peace there can be no future."
Maitreya, the World Teacher: http://www.shareintl.org
Justice is Equilibrium. Equilibrium is balance. Balance is the essence of nondualism. Nondualism is holistic -- Holy -- Truth. Holistic Truth is Divine Intelligence. Divine Intelligence is GOD. It is time for Civilized Man to transcend the source of his own Enslavement -- dualistic Thought Itself!! Therein lies the secret of "Peace on Earth" to all "men of good (GOD) will."
Raymond Karczewski, Christ: http://www.arkenterprises.com
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:19:56 GMT
From: Don't attach your name to their words (unknown)
unk: These people are not going to appreciate this Ray
unk: You attaching your name to the words of these people drags them straight into your filth reputation for Internet KKKookery. You have no business ***degrading*** them in this way. Keep your name to your own insane rants, and don't try to plunge these folks into your muck with you.
rk: Apparently people are beginning to wake up to your game. Either that or some politicians are beginning to see the writing on the wall for the future of this country and are not quite ready to sell out to the New World Order.
rk: At any rate, considering my stance regarding the malfeasance of the FBI and certain Federal Government elected Officials some Congressmen do not view me as a kook, a criminal, and/or a man who is in need of psychiatric treatment.
rk: Wednesday morning I received a phone call from a US Congressman's office inviting me to come to Washington DC and serve on a subcommittee of Business leaders chosen throughout the country to offer suggestions to President Bush's tax cut proposals. I was chosen to represent Oregon. The position, an honorary one.
rk: Now considering my relationship with the Federal Government and its past malfeasance in dealing with the FBI'S STONEWALLING of my criminal complaint lodged with the FBI on November 2nd, 1997 regarding Conspiracy to Libel, and Government/Media, sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation, I flatly declined the offer. Until my government is ready to serve the petition of its ordinary citizens, this citizen is not ready to serve his government.
rk: As to the Congressman's name, let's repeat the Marquis Who's Who in America and California Law School scenario, shall we? I suggest you find out yourself, the name of the Congressman, that is, of course, if you want to wind up once again with egg on your face in attempting to make this issue another assault upon my credibility.
rk: It would seem the STONE WALL of silence is beginning to show a crack in it. Who knows, maybe even the public media will be forced by the public to look into the matter.
rk: As to my humble offering to the original article, I suggest you ponder it deeply.
rk: In it, one finds the secret to peace. One that not one of the other worldly religious leaders were capable of uttering.
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Parrot. You yourself have nothing to say, ever.
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:10:48 GMT
From: (unknown)
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Raymond Karczewski, Christ???
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 23:51:54 GMT
From: You mean vicious child abuser (unknown)
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Townsquare Amazing mythomania: another symptom of psychosis
Sat Nov 3 04:00:37 2001
Again Ray: the people at Marquis said they didn't publish you in all the many volumes you said you were published in, you do not appear in those volumes, no law school anywhere on California said you receieved credit or a degree there as you claimed, and now you're trying to say that despite the fact you are no businessman, and have been living off our tax money for decades, that one of the congressmen you've been assaulting over these years has now asked you to serve on a committee of advisors (??!!!), ***but you refuse to actually name the person?*** Do you really expect us to believe anything you say after all teh lies you've told, especially when you cannot even give basic information that would prove the credibility of your story? And by the way, keep your threats to yourself.
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Southern Oregonian What the hell is this aggression and violence?
Sat Nov 3 03:54:34 2001
These massive rants has no point, no focus, no message, and nothing to do with the water crisis. This is akin to spray painting property with graffiti just to destroy it, bring down its value for society, and harass the owner. You've been asked repeatedly not to drag the water crisis into your psychiatric problems and keep these weird fights you have constantly with...well... EVERYONE off this board. Are you so out of control emotionally and psychiatrically you just can't stop the compulsion to spray paint your aggression and violence everywhere? You need medication, a doctor's attention, and to regain some semblance of mental health.
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Raymond Karczewski's mental illness
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:40:33 GMT
From: Bill Bonde (unknown)
Raymond Karczewski wrote: > > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com *** > > Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE > > Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:23:47 GMT > > "In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, > stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why it is hated > around the world.
Christ, your mental illness is scary.
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This is rather the point
Re: Raymond Karczewski's mental illness (Bill Bonde)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:13:50 GMT
From: Stop baiting Ray's paranoia right now! (unknown)
Yes, Raymond Karczewski's mental illness is scary. Very, very scary at times. Which is why I sincerely resent people fooling around with his paranoia. Ray has been a real problem for years, has in fact threatened people with weapons and armed revolt in the streets, and having people who never have to deal with the consequences of his sickness egg him on makes me plain angry. Just stop it already. I mean it. Some of us have to actually put up with Ray living very nearby, going on regular rants and refusing to accept legal responsibility for his behavior, and when he finally snaps, the people here who have been baiting him will be nowhere in the line of fire.
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I'M CALLING YOU OUT RAY!
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:35:26 GMT From: TROLL (unknown)
YOU HAVE LIBELED AND SLANDERED ME FOR THE LAST TIME, RAY KARCZEWSKI!!!
YOU STATED THAT I WAS A "ROGUE PAID/SPONSORED GOVERNMENT AGENT OF DECEPTION" AND I HAVE NOT EVER RECEIVED A PENNY FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO SPREAD LIES ABOUT ANYONE!!! I DO IT FOR FREE AND FOR FUN, RAY!!!
IT'S A JOKE!!! IT'S HOW I PASS THE TIME!!!
I SPREAD THE LIES ABOUT BEING YOUR NEIGHBOR IN CALIFORNIA AND ABOUT YOU THREATENING MY SON AND KILLING A NEIGHBOR'S CAT!!! I DON'T EVEN HAVE A SON!!! I'M A LONER!!!
MY ATTORNEY, J. EDGAR SNYDER, WILL BE CONTACTING YOU SOON ENOUGH!!! WE'RE SUING FOR 1.5 GAZILLION DOLLARS!!!
WORSE, YOU LIBEL OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST WITH YOUR EVERY WORD!!! YOU ARE NOT CHRIST!!! YOU WILL HAVE A FAR STEEPER PRICE TO PAY FOR THAT!!!
HELLHOUNDS ON YOUR TRAIL, RAY!!!
HELLHOUNDS ON YOUR TRAIL!!!
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Will you leave the psycho the hell alone?!
Re: I'M CALLING YOU OUT RAY! (TROLL)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:22:42 GMT
From: The man is really sick. Leave him be. (unknown)
Whatever lies you invented, Ray has in fact behaved in a violent and disturbed fashion here, and you are only encouraging his paranoia with this juvenile crap. Stop it already. You are making things bad for people who actually have to deal with Ray, and you are pushing him into incredible tales, threats of violence, and you refuse to deal with the consequences of your actions. Whatever your problems are with this kook, leave him alone so WE don't have to deal with the repurcussions of his psychosis.
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Knock it off, This is not a joke in Oregon
Re: I'M CALLING YOU OUT RAY! (TROLL)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:55:48 GMT
From: Ed (unknown)
arkook@kookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) glowered in message
U.S. Constitution, National Security, Mind Control, and [KOOK]. > (Was:Ray killed my neighbor's cat!) > Raymond Karzoo (kook@kookenterprises.com) babbled:
(crapola snipped)
unk: If that alone doesn't alert people to the fact that you are > dangerous, I don't know what will. I watched a grown man threaten to > kill my young son in front of several neighbors and get off with a > "talking-to" by the local police. Everyone within 2 blocks knew about > Ray and avoided him like the plague.
I know people in Kerby and Cave Junction who know the kazoo, and they all say kazoo's as crazy as a bedbug.
I would NOT want to be his neighbor...any man who claims to be Jesus Christ and "The Embodiment Of Everyone Who Has Ever Lived And Ever Shall Live" is obviously a dangerous lunatic, ESPECIALLY when you consider that "The Embodiment Of Everyone Who Has Ever Lived..." (as kazoo has titled himself) includes people like Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy.
I mean, if you consider yourself to be "The Embodiment" of murderers like Gacy, Bundy, The UnaBomber and Ted Bundy, you're basically saying that you would be capable of anything these people did.
Scary though!
Ed
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You are completely psychotic
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:43:30 GMT
From: (unknown)
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More lies
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:55:01 GMT
From: Why can't you cough up basic information (unknown)
Again Ray: the people at Marquis said they didn't publish you in all the many volumes you said you were published in, you do not appear in those volumes, no law school anywhere on California said you receieved credit or a degree there as you claimed, and now you're trying to say that despite the fact you are no businessman, and have been living off our tax money for decades, that one of the congressmen you've been assaulting over these years has now asked you to serve on a committee of advisors (??!!!), ***but you refuse to actually name the person?*** Do you really expect us to believe anything you say after all the lies you've told, especially when you cannot even give basic information that would prove the credibility of your story? And by the way, keep your threats to yourself.
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Bald-faced fraud!!!
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:50:54 GMT
From: You refuse to simply name a name??? (unknown)
This is utterly flipped-out in terms of delusions, and you not only post it but refuse to simply name a name? What a pathetic kook you are.
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This is just sad
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:13:22 GMT
From: Work on reality; don't make up stories (unknown)
Ray, you don't need to make up such weird stories. It just shows how terribly unhappy you are in your life, how inadequate you feel, and you are better off working to make your life better as opposed to inventing such pathetically weak and documentably untrue tales.
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Take your Thorazine Ray, for God's sake
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:23:57 GMT
From: Your stories get wilder & wilder (unknown)
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Yeah right. Why are all your narratives unsubstantiated?
Re: Voices of Sanity -regarding Sep 11 -- A RESPONSE (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:07:54 GMT
From: It'd take 5-7 words to settle all this (unknown)
Easy enough to name volumes, names of law schools, and names of congressmen Ray. The reason you don't give the 3-7 simple words that would put these questions to rest forever is painfully obvious. All of these stories are figments of your demented imagination, and you are so damned sick and beyond cure that you cannot look at the hard truth of your lies with any meotional equilibrium at all. I suppose you'll go to your grave screaming about how badly you've been treated by the New World Order and secret agent plots against you. You are a sad case indeed.
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PRESIDENT BUSH WANTS ME TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE!!!!!!!!!
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:34:02 GMT
From: Raymond "I'M NOT A KOOK!!!!" Karczewski (unknown)
He called me last night, and was so deeply impressed with my Christ-consciousness and profound insight into the BASSACKWARDS IGNORAMUS state of current SATANIC INTELLECT society that he kicked Powell off the cabinet and begged me to come to Washington D.C. to advise his every move. The position is honorary, and given my vast knowledge of the corrupt AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROBOT/MEDIA/GOVERNMENT/SPONSORED/ FUNDED/INSPIRED/INSTIGATED/MOTIVATED/ETC. ETC. ETC. AD NAUSEUM infrastructure of the NEW WORLD ORDER, I turned him down flat. I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK,I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK, I'M NOT A KOOK. I'M NOT A KOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Too bad you are crazier than the person you mock.
Re: PRESIDENT BUSH WANTS ME TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE!!!!!!!!! (Raymond "I'M NOT A KOOK!!!!" Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:10:05 GMT
From: Hopjacker (unknown)
Making fun of someone who is paranoid is not nice. Why do you torment him anyway ? I think he's half right in his postings. I think there are people out to make him look far worse than he really is because they don't like how outspoken he is. Yes he is a kook, no you are not any more sane than he is when you mock him.
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I agree. My theory is...
Re: Too bad you are crazier than the person you mock. (Hopjacker)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:43:43 GMT
From: This is about Ray's abusive personality (unknown)
This has nothing to do with anything Ray actually says, beyond the abuse and threats of course. Ray's posts are just strict rehashes of things other people have said (mostly Krishnamurti, Art Bell, and Roy Masters), and those other people don't get the negative reaction Ray does. This is about Ray, and his dysfunctional, meglomanical personality and abuse. Ray is a mean old sociopath who has attacked too many people and issued too many threats over the years. No one is willing to grant him the benefit of the doubt for those reasons. Period. I think he could conceivably (though it is most unlikely) post a perfectly sane, non-paranoid, coherent message and people would still react to him personally with great animosity. If he could just get a grip on his own behavior and abusive treatment of others, he might find a way of communicating constructively. Maybe. Not here though. His past will undoubtedly haunt him on this forum, and he should just move on and see if he can't turn over a new, more civil, and meaningful leaf elsewhere.
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Re: Voice of Insanity regarding Sep 11 -- A KOOK'S RESPONSE
3 Nov 2001 12:56:37 -0800
agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com (Agent Sir Ed)
arkook@kookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) babbled in message
rk: > Wednesday morning I received a phone call from a US Congressman's office inviting me to come to Washington DC and serve on a subcommittee of Business leaders chosen throughout the
Oh no, kazoo...not ANOTHER lie from you?! Sheesh, man, haven't you learned by now, your duplicity ALWAYS end up being exposed? This is yet another Who's Who sorta lie designed to pump up your flagging self-image, just like the one you told about some group titling you A Great American (if you paid them a certain fee!).
Y'know, there's one simple solution to all your pathetic scavenging for respect-DON'T pay any attention to what people think of you! That way, you don't need to invent fictitious comittees and fictitious titles to feel important.
Of course, it wouldn't hurt to start becoming a respectable person...you know; pay your bills, get off government subsidies, stop running from the law, pay all those tickets you've amassed over the years and have neglected to pay, and most importantly, GET A JOB! It would do WONDERS for your self-esteem!
You're welcome!
Ed
Date: 2001-11-03 15:24:18 PST
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) (vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net)
vg: On 2 Nov 2001 23:50:18 -0800, arkent@arkenterprises.com (Raymond Karczewski) dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the following steaming pile:
vg:> Wow. SupreTroll's hearing voices. Again. I'm trying to be surprised, but so far, it just isn't working. I'll keep trying, though.
rk: So, other than creating a psychological tangent from the get-go, what was the purpose of such an misdirecting opening statement, eh, vanilla gorilla?
>>>"In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights. That's why it is hated around the world. And that's why we're the target of terrorists… Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so we can have the oil under their sand, we should send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water, and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill hundreds of Iraqi children every day with our sanctions, we should help Iraqis rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals, and all the things we have destroyed and prevented them from rebuilding."
>>>Bishop Robert Bowman United Catholic Church, Melbourne Beach, FL
vg: > Well, let's see. SupreTroll is more than happy to bash all forms of religion, like this:
l: >>> "It was God, after all, who established the New World Order. We can read about it in the Bible. In fact, the Bible is the only record we have that publicly and truthfully sets forth the essentials of the Order's orgins and development through time."
rk: >>> Is not the substance of Tupper Saussy's quoted material nothing more than "belief" based in Dead concepts which have been passed on from generation to generation via conditioning posing as "living Truth"? Yet you readily offer this pseudo-argument to back up your own spiritually bereft, Satanically-driven, Intellectually imprisoned state of consciousness. The "blind leading the blind," eh?
rk: So, where is the bash you speak of, vanilla gorilla? All I see is Truth expressed in a simple, clear, inarguable manner.
vg:> But, at the same time, he's also more than willing to quote a Bishop of the RCC, when it suits his agenda. Again, my level of surprise could best be measured with a micrometer.
rk: I have not singled out a Bishop of the Roman Catholic Church or anyone else in the post just in order to make a point. I added a Truth, seldom if ever expressed, to an existing post of religious and political quotes which, as can be expected, misdirected public attention onto familiar, habitually held platititudes often expressed by mindcontrollers but seldom implemented in human society. Aren't such deceptions the very nature of the Satanic Deceiver?
>>>His Holiness The Dalai Lama
vg: > See above.
>>>Jim Garrison, Founder and President State of the World Forum
vg: > Ah, yes, Jim Garrison, who is the head of an organization who appear to be promoting globalization and the NWO, against which you have been railing for years. I say "appears", because the only time he ever says anything remotely definitive, is by accident, after which he starts such an amazing, high-speed waffling and back-pedaling act, he almost reminds me of you. Maybe "mealy-mouthed weasel" is too strong a term. Maybe it's not.
rk: Intelligent discrimination is not your strong suit is it, vanilla gorilla?
>>>Pope John Paul II
vg: > Another Catholic, unless I'm mistaken. Sort of a "religious leader", for 1/3 the world's population.
rk: Yes, the Pope is a religious politician, is he not? So what is your point?
>>>"Without sharing there can be no justice; without justice there can be no peace; without peace there can be no future."
>>>Maitreya, the World Teacher: http://www.shareintl.org
vg: > Oh, this is rich. "Without future, there can be no past. Without past, there can be no donuts. Without donuts, there can be no glaze. Without glaze, there can be no pottery. Without pottery, there can be no vodka. Without vodka, there can be no Russians. Without Russians, there can be no Russia. Without Russia, there can be no 'cold war'. With no 'cold war', there can be no bombs. Without bombs, there can be no atoms. Without atoms, there can be no universe. Without universe, there can be no sharing." Maitreya is just as much a fraud as you are, SupreTroll, but just has a much more 'polished' act, and therefore more suckers.
rk: Like all Satanic wordtwisting misdirecting pipsqueaks who dally about at the linear, superficial "letter of the word" level of intellectual misdirection, and who possess no inner light of intelligence they may call their own, vanilla gorilla, like his AFAB disinformation cohorts, demonstrates that he must conceal himself in the shadows of anonymity where he lay in ambush, waiting to pounce upon the next living host so that he/they may vampirically extract the borrowed light and life from them so that his/their own projected illusion of intelligence may be fed.
rk: This fact can be confirmed by anyone wishing to examine the past posts of vanilla gorilla and/or any of the other one-liner oriented disinformation agent word twisters who call themselves AFAB/SKEPTICULT members.
rk: See if you can come up with a single creative offering tied to these Hell-bound intellectual predators. You will scour the archives far and wide, only to observe a modus operandi (method of operation) used by cheap-shot word twisters who have no creative substance of their own to offer a troubled world.
>>>Raymond Karczewski, Christ: http://www.arkenterprises.com
vg: > I just wanted to make sure everyone saw that, for future reference.
rk: >> At any rate, considering my stance regarding the malfeasance of the FBI and certain Federal Government elected Officials some Congressmen do not view me as a kook, a criminal, and/or a man who is in need of psychiatric treatment.
vg: > It's only a matter of time, SupreTroll. They will, eventually.
rk: You may put that back into your bag of projected fantasies. Why not deal with the actual fact of "What IS?"
rk: >> Wednesday morning I received a phone call from a US Congressman's office inviting me to come to Washington DC and serve on a subcommittee of Business leaders chosen throughout the country to offer suggestions to President Bush's tax cut proposals. I was chosen to represent Oregon. The position, an honorary one.
vg: > Um-hmm. I believe you, really.
rk: A truth is a truth regardless of an Ignoramus' inability to perceive it. Even you must admit to your own Hell-bound intellectual limitation which renders you but a mere slave to belief.
rk: >> Now considering my relationship with the Federal Government and its past malfeasance in dealing with the FBI'S STONEWALLING of my criminal complaint lodged with the FBI on November 2nd, 1997 regarding Conspiracy to Libel, and Government/Media, sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation, I flatly declined the offer.
vg: > No, really, I still believe you. You are a Man of TRVTH, after all, and couldn't risk being seen, cavorting about DC with low-life congressmen, and what-not. By the way, you haven't done anything "flatly", in at least 20 years, if you get my drift.
rk: On the contrary. Few have impacted the thought based civilized world of mind controlled blind believers in the domain of religion and politics. The attempts to discredit the writings of this messenger while demonstrating an inability to discredit the inarguable message, is all the proof any IGNORAMUS needs.
rk: > >Until my government is ready to serve the petition of its ordinary citizens, this citizen is not ready to serve his government.
vg: > Petition? I think the word you're looking for is "indictment", and that'll be coming, all in due time. Why are you so impatient? It's not like you were going anywhere, anyway.
rk: How can truth be imprisoned or, for that matter, annihilated? The necessary Satanic evil of Governments and Religious Institutions (two sides of the same dualistic coin of power) may attempt to imprison the body and/or the mind, but Truth -- NEVER!
rk: When my spiritual brother Jesus said He was "the Life, the Truth, and the Way" and His body and mind came to an end, DID TRUTH, LIFE, AND THE WAY DIE ALSO?
rk: I don't expect Satanically-driven intellectual pipsqueaks such as yourself, vanilla gorilla, to understand that which is *well beyond* your present grasp.
rk: >> As to the Congressman's name, let's repeat the Marquis Who's Who in America and California Law School scenario, shall we?
vg: > Oh, you mean the one where you LIED about being in the book?
rk: Perhaps you will come up with the evidence of such a lie. You will find all that is available to you is the manufactured deceptions of others attempting to affix responsibility for their deceptions onto me.
vg: > Why, yes, let us do repeat that scenario. That would be grand.
rk: I couldn't agree more. After all, for an IGNORAMUS incapable of direct perception, the repetition of conditioning is required for such limited level of learning, is it not?
rk: >I suggest you find out yourself, the name of the Congressman,
vg: > Non-existent Congressmen are notoriously difficult to locate. Not sure why that is.
rk: >> that is, of course, if you want to wind up once again with egg on your face in attempting to make this issue another assault upon my credibility.
vg: > Your what? Oh, please, Raymond. You haven't had any credibility in years.
rk: >> It would seem the STONE WALL of silence is beginning to show a crack in it.
vg: > If there's ever been any crack involved, it was in a pipe, and not a stone wall, FatBoy. Besides, you should be far more concerned about concrete walls, in your near future. They don't build jails with stone, much, anymore.
rk: The stone wall of a jail may confine a body and mind, but it cannot hold the Spirit of Truth -- the essence of a FREE MAN, a CHRIST.
rk: >> As to my humble offering to the original article, I suggest you ponder it deeply.
vg: > Your "humble offering" was far more humble than you can even imagine.
vg: > If you're a Christ, I'm a gorilla.
rk: Hallelujah, can I get an UGH?!! -
V.G. "Guitar smashing doesn't bother me. Some of them _need_ smashing." - Chet Atkins
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:43:43 GMT
unk: Too bad you are crazier than the person you mock. (Hopjacker)
From: This is about Ray's abusive personality (unknown)
unk: I agree. My theory is...
unk: This has nothing to do with anything Ray actually says, beyond the abuse and threats of course. Ray's posts are just strict rehashes of things other people have said (mostly Krishnamurti, Art Bell, and Roy Masters), and those other people don't get the negative reaction Ray does.
rk: In this short paragraph "unk" has inadvertently given a clue as to why a *Christ*, a simple "man/woman of Truth," is never welcome in Satanically mind controlled civilized societies.
rk: He has inexplicably revealed the reason for this prolonged, unrelenting six year campaign of Government/Media sponsored/supported Internet mind control/disinformation campaign and its subsequent STONE WALL coverup by certain factions within the FBI, the Federal Government, and the broadcast and print media.
rk: Connect the dots, follow the Government *Intelligence Community* associations, contacts and backgrounds. Therein lies the *Big Picture* -- the *Shocking Truth!*
rk: Let those who have the eyes to see -- SEE!!
Not since the Revolutionary War when this nation was founded has a foreign enemy ever declared and fought a war with occupational forces upon American soil.
History shows that all armed conflicts declared as war against foreign interests since that time have been initiated by the United States of America and fought on foreign land.
The intellectual focus and attention span of mass populations are easily swayed by politically motivated media mind controllers in their reporting of ongoing events and in the subsequent writing and rewriting of history itself. What does the average person know about world events but for that which is hand fed them by the media and their leadership? In this obviously codependent relationship is the birth of PROPAGANDA and its enormous influence upon millions and millions of hypnotically conditioned, mind controlled believers.
President Bush has declared a WAR on Terrorism. A War that may not ever end as long as America stands as a sovereign nation and as long as the American People do not WAKE UP from their present hypnotic trance to see how easily they are manipulated into supporting a war on foreign soil.
Billions of dollars are spent in such war efforts. Billions that could well serve the domestic problems of this country. Yet ignoramuses inevitably bend to the will of their positive imaged, platitude delivering, warmongering leadership. Our leaders are given their positions of power because the people, the true government, put them there "believing" they will serve the interest of the Country as a whole, and not betray them by serving the Special Interests groups which only corrupt them.
The American people have already been manipulated by their government into supporting a WAR ON ALCOHOL, a WAR ON DRUGS, a WAR ON POVERTY, a WAR ON GUNS, a WAR ON ILLITERACY, any hyped-up focal point called a WAR which becomes the next black hole that consumes our nation's primary resource, the symbol of energy of the American People -- THEIR MONEY. Aside from the depletion of our Nation's Treasury, which has bankrupted us as a nation, what came of such WARS? Therein lies the clue as to the future success of the WAR ON TERRORISM!
Do the American people support WAR -- the wholesale killing of other human beings so that Corporate America may capitalize on their coveted natural resources? That is the only question that needs be answered.
All wars of the past century waged by America have been fought on foreign soil. Not since the Civil War has blood stained the American landscape in the wholesale insanity of war.
On September 11, 2001 all that changed. Fear and outrage has taken over the American psyche. The horrors of war came home to roost with Americans who have no trouble sending their sons and daughters to die while fighting America's Corporate wars on foreign soil. Millions were shocked by the vulnerability of themselves and their families to the death and destruction caused to thousands of World Trade Center employees in the attack upon the Twin Towers in New York City.
To top off such insanity, in a time of declared war our leaders are attempting to disarm us, the American People, leaving us defenseless against an as yet *UNKNOWN,* or for that matter, any invading force. Are any Red Flags beginning to arise within your consciousness as to the identity of the REAL ENEMY of the American People?
The question which still has not been resolved is: Who is AMERICA'S enemy in this recent attack? Who are the real warmongers? Who are the real culprits responsible for initiating WAR upon America?
To initiate something, it must be preemptive, not reactionary.
The name Ossama Bin Laden is being bandied about by American mind controllers as the enemy. But is he? In a nation which prides itself on a system of justice where one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, where is such damning proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Bin Laden is behind the actual Terrorism of the 11th of September, 2001? Why hasn't it been presented to the American People who are expected to support the bloodshed?
If in fact it is found that Bin Laden is indeed America's enemy, the next question to be asked is, who is responsible for the initiation of war?
Whose land, and whose way of life was attacked preemptively and by whom?
Was it Ossama Bin Laden who first attacked the United States, or was it the United States Government/United Nations/World Corporate Interests which initiated WAR upon the foreign soil of the oil rich Middle East?
Is the man Ossama Bin Laden of Saudi Arabia fighting in defense of his freedom, sovereignty and his Muslim heritage? Or has it been shown that he covets the natural and human resources of the United States? Come on, folks, it really isn't that difficult to SEE, IS IT?
The same question could well have been asked regarding the man Manuel Noriega of Panama, whose country was also invaded by the United States Armed Forces. There again, a war was declared by the United States upon a foreign land, with death and destruction raining upon the people of Panama, all under the guise of the United States of America bringing a single man of a Sovereign foreign Country to justice in American Courts. Insane, isn't it? Yet the American People bought it.
Are not wars fought over nations coveting their neighboring nation's natural resources, while PR types go about their business of capturing the imaginations of the gullible by bandying about high-flown, positive imaged language of freedom, sovereignty, mom, apple pie, baseball, American flag and God?
It is a sad, cruel fact that wars are declared and occupational armed forces are assigned by warmongering nations to foreign lands all over this world. Now they've organized themselves and call themselves the UNITED NATIONS. When their plan for the consolidation of their power and world domination is complete, they will be called THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
Make no mistake about it. Those behind the NEW WORLD ORDER are the same international elitists, bankers, and Corporate leaders who are now in power, the OLD WORLD ORDER. To Consolidate their power they must destroy the sovereignty of nations. The proud and sovereign people of the United States of America stand in the way of the NEW WORLD ORDER. For how long they will STAND FAST in the preservation of their sovereignty, however, is another matter.
Here is the only question the America People must resolve in their present conscience.
Who initiated invasion first? Was it Ossama Bin Laden upon the American People, or the United States of America upon the Muslim populations of the Middle East?
Attack is preemptive. Defense is reaction to preemptive attack.
It doesn't take but a modicum of Intelligence to come to the correct answer, does it? When the American People arrive at the Truth and are ready to right a wrong, the American People will know what to do about it.
On 05 Nov 2001 02:25:58 GMT, Lou Minatti® (louminatti@watchingyou.com) wrote:
Liniment (unknown) wrote:
rk: >> Not since the Revolutionary War when this nation was founded has a foreign enemy ever declared and fought a war with occupational forces upon American soil.
lm: >You're forgetting WWII, Raymoid. Thousands of US and Japanese soldiers froze their asses off in the Aleutians. Of course, no one ever accused you of being accurate.
-- Proud American Infidel™. http://www.watchingyou.com
l. Your first 2 paragraphs contain the same . . . factual error. During the War of 1812, the Brits burned the White House. In addition, Andy Jackson fought the Brits at New Orleans during that war, too. So a foreign power did fight a bloody war on our shores after the Revolutionary War. While this matter does not go to the heart of your post, credibility cannot co-exist with factual errors of any kind.
rk: That's all you got out of that post, eh?
rk: You two remind me of a couple of stupid, ravenous predators who missed the sumptuous meal before them because they hastily choked on the flimsiest of chicken bones at the onset of the meal.
rk: Though my characterization may not have been technically or historically accurate, the picture I attempted to communicate to the minds of readers was that of an absence of a war-torn Kosovo scene where citizens had to run to cross the street to avoid sniper fire, and/or bombed out scenes of London and Berlin where whole neighborhoods were reduced to rubble.
rk: You fellas missed the whole point of the post. You chose to throw the baby out with the bathwater. How smart was that?
rk: Now that the newsgroups/forum using public has heard the first volley of misdirection to my original post, pay close attention to the campaign of deliberate misdirection and confusion which follows.
rk: Here you will find the disinformation agent's tactic of *manufacturing statements,* deceptive statements never made or directly stated by another. This is followed by a barrage of terse sound byte type responses which are designed to impugn the credibility of their target.
As you read the following responses, keep in mind, the only statements I made in the original post which they have chosen to use as their point of misdirection is: "Not since the Revolutionary War when this nation was founded has a foreign enemy ever declared and fought a war with occupational forces upon American soil." and "History shows that all armed conflicts declared as war against foreign interests since that time have been initiated by the United States of America and fought on foreign land."
rk: Sit back and observe what trained disinformation agents can do with these two statements.
rk: You will find this technique of misdirection invariably accompanies any and all of my serious articles which have drawn responses.
rk: Soon the public is intimidated from joining in serious inquiry because of a fear they will be turned on by the same pack of disinformation jackals.
rk: Folks, this is INTERNET MIND CONTROL!!!
Raymond Karczewski attempts to rewrite history...again!
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:22:29 GMT
From: Ignorant spewage is not history Ray (unknown)
rk: History shows that all armed conflicts declared as war against foreign interests since that time have been initiated by the United States of America and fought on foreign land.
Again Ray, are you really going to try and ignore the fact the US didn't start WWI and WWII? Your reasoning and education are non-existent, and you really ought to be ashamed of your failure to understand basic facts about current events and America's military past.
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Who cares what that kook writes? Stop egging him on.
Re: Raymond Karczewski attempts to rewrite history...again! (Ignorant spewage is not history Ray)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:57:50 GMT
From: Leave the mentally ill alone (unknown)
He's obviously sick as hell, and responding to his delusions only makes him angry, violent, and obsessively compelled to spam more psychosis here. Stop it.
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Looks like you heard this word Kosovo on a game show
Re: Raymond Karczewski, you are pathetic (Shame on you for embracing ignorance)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:13:03 GMT
From: Go figure! (unknown)
one night watching TV, but you don't understand what it is or what happened there. Turn off the TV, turn off the computer, and read a history book. You might be surprised by the facts you find in one of those. Sheesh!
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Don't rile him -- he's violent and unstable!
Re: Your first 2 paragraphs contain the same . . . (Liniment)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:59:34 GMT
From: Ray "FUCK_FACTS" Karczewski (unknown)
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Your basic errors are not a "sumptuous meal"
Re: WAR: Initiation or Retaliation? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:17:28 GMT
From: You're the only one choking here Ray (unknown)
You are clearly the only one who is choking here Ray, not the people who are in fact correct in their assertions, and calling you on this uninformed attack on our nation's need to defend itself. Not only are you a cringing coward who refuses to take responsibility for himself and his parasite wife, but you can't even look at the fact you simply don't know what you're talking about here!! Do you think this might have something to do with the reason(s) people find you such an offensive joke? If you want to attack someone, attack yourself or Anita, but keep your uninformed hatred and violence off this forum.
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Ahhh. I see. You're MILITANTLY ignorant!
Re: WAR: Initiation or Retaliation? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:22:44 GMT
From: Yes Ray. Historical accuracy's REQUIRED! (unknown)
Even when called on your ruidiculous mistakes, you try and justify them instead of admitting and correcting them? There's no refuting your mental illness here Ray: "technical" and "historical" accuracy are REQUIRED if you want to expatiate on historical matters. You're way out of your league, and if you were not psychotic you'd realize it.
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Raymond Karczewski, you are pathetic
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:10:05 GMT
From: Shame on you for embracing ignorance (unknown)
rk: Though my characterization may not have been technically or historically accurate, the picture I attempted to communicate to the minds of readers was that of an absence of a war torn Kosovo scene where citizens had to run to cross the street to avoid sniper fire, and/or bombed out scenes of London and Berlin where whole neighborhoods were reduced to rubble.
What?????
Yeah Ray. You can't even get your facts straight, and therefore no one has ever taken you seriously. And never will. You should spend less time attacking "BASSACKWARDS IGNORAMUS DUALISTIC INTELLECT" and more time basically informing yourself of facts before you spout off like the spewing ignoramus you are. You got caught in yet another series of truly stupid errors, and all you have to offer if this perfectly meaningless attempt at diversion? Shame on you and this abject drivel. I mean it. Shame on you.
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Your drool is meaningless and shows us what you are
Re: WAR: Initiation or Retaliation? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:11:43 GMT
From: Get your facts straight & learn to write (unknown)
Get your facts straight, learn to write, and maybe someone somewhere might take you seriously.
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This is not a "corporate war" you A**HOLE!
Re: WAR: Initiation or Retaliation? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:05:13 GMT
From: Grind your personal axes elsewhere sh*t (unknown)
Over 6,000 innocent PEOPLE were slaugheterd, NOT corporations! Shut your ignorant, disgusting mouth until you at least minimally inform yourself. As though that is even possible given the fact you are obviously brain dead.
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The US didn't initiate either WWI or WWII...what IS this???
Re: WAR: Initiation or Retaliation? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:01:54 GMT
From: Didn't you ever take a history class man (unknown)
Where did you get the idea the United States started WWI and WWII? This is well beyond mere factual error, and shows you have serious mental problems. I have noticed your posts on this forum are always extremely exaggerated, to the point of being hysterical, and you refuse to deal with fact when your emotions don't particularly like them. You should therefore expect derision and dispute from a vastly better informed public who is not prey to the problems with extreme mental illness you demonstrate here daily.
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:24:19 GMT
From: LP (unknown)
unk: Pinko: It's a Ray thing.
unk: Go to his site, listen to his New-Age message in his soothing, hypnotic voice, see his blurbs and ads from Amazon.com and Barnes and Noble.com -- you will see what a huckster he is, peddling his crap to middle-aged women everywhere.
unk: Then, read the hate, lies and pure paranoia he posts here -- surely not the ruminations of a Living Christ, but the rantings of a violent lunatic anarchist. It's hard to believe it's the same man at all.
unk: That's why people bait him here -- we see his true colors here. Anyone who visits his site and is tempted by his new-age crap should read half the stuff he posts here -- they'd think twice about giving him their addresses and credit card numbers.
rk: Perhaps you would have noted had you bothered to investigate any further by visiting my order page at http://www.arkenterprises.com/orform2.htm that my wife Anita (Ark Enterprises) and I do not accept orders through credit cards. We do not personally use credit cards nor do we have any. We will not encourage others to be entrapped by debt, nor will we become exploitive parties gaining monetary advantage by selling us all out to the coming cashless society.
rk: However, two AWAKE individuals out of a population of 280 million, is, as they say, "a mere drop in the ocean." Such awareness makes for the DIFFERENCE between FREEDOM and SLAVERY, PEACE and ANGUISH, BALANCE and neverending CHAOS only in the lives of the TWO!!
rk: It's the difference between HEAVEN on EARTH and HELL on EARTH.
rk: Can you say the same?
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
ignore him-please.
Re: Credit Cards: the Bane of Modern Day Society (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:38:42 GMT
From:(unknown)
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` You don't have to worry about it: you never sell anything
Re: Credit Cards: the Bane of Modern Day Society (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:40:58 GMT
From: Can't unload that vanity crap can youRay (unknown)
You paid to have those tapes made what, 7-8 years ago and **still haven't unloaded them??** No one buys them and no one needs to worry about modes of payment for that reason. You are a pathetic fraud, as your stupid posts rewriting history according to your delusions od persecution today prove. Jam your attacks Ray. You're an ignorant a**hole and no one would take your vanity tapes from you even if you paid them to do so.
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This vanity stuff you paid to have reproduced
Re: Credit Cards: the Bane of Modern Day Society (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:58:13 GMT
From: Are your delusions today representative? (unknown)
Is it as full of crap as the garbnage you spammed here today? Is anything about you NOT psychotic? don't worry aboutt his Ray: no on ewill be asking you to take their money or credit card numbers. Really. Your self-produced garbage isn't worth a penny, or even a good spit.