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Above is the new *Battle Cry* of the Cowardly Government Sponsored/Supported Disinformation Agents who control the flow of information on these Internet newsgroups.
If you are a Spiritual Aspirant and are able to handle the TRUTH, you will find http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm an oasis of Sanity in an everincreasingly Insane World.
WARNING: That site is not for EVERYONE!!
If we are to change our world, we each must change Ourselves at the core of our Being --Well beyond the "Political/Religious Correct-Thinking" Conditioned Self!
Spread the word to your friends and loved ones. Share the Truth of this Website with all who are capable of understanding!
Your Spiritual Sovereignty, Personal Freedoms, and future quality of Life depends on it!
If you perceive the above comments to be but idle statements and the words of Ray and Anita Karczewski do not actually pose an serious threat to the present Status Quo of our Mind Controlled society, examine, if you will, the Motive behind the Libelous articles (marked ***) and the recent On-line Anonymous Statement made regarding Ray & Anita Karczewski --
EXAMPLE: Here are just a few libelous smears in response to Anita's recent article: The Mark Of the Beast is Already Here - Part II: Anita's Letter to SOFCU
Note also that the unchanging formula of smear tactics which have been used to defame me over the last 6 years are now being applied to my wife.
Note the feverishly generated momentum to establish in the minds of readers that Ray Karczewski has something to hide from government. It certainly begs the question of LIBEL SLINGING, anonymous cowards -- How can Ray Karczewski be hiding anything from anyone, Government or otherwise, when He publicly posts it to the world? As to the question of hiding one's identity, see if you can spot a single shadow-dwelling author of any of the posts below who is not HIDING their identity from the world while they reveal their own shriveled and corrupted souls for all to see!!
As for me, I've damned near reached the "end of the line" in dealing with inert ignoramuses.
Americans, you are losing your Country.
I have been telling you this for years. Till now it has fallen upon the deaf ears of the blind, the gullible, and the complacent. Your corruption is nearly total, and its effect upon you clearly FATAL.
However, it is still not too late to take back control of your government, your country, and your finances, all without a shot being fired in a bloody revolution. This War on Terrorism is a War on America's Freedoms, make no mistake about it.
It you are too damned dumb, too damned cowardly, and/or too damned inert to do what needs to be done in THIS MOMENT OF HISTORY, you deserve the enslavement which is about to be thrust upon you.
One last thing. Read the following responses to Anita. Savor the essence, the True SPIRIT of the message they communicate. Now you cannot say that you do not know the real cause of HELL ON EARTH.
WHAT WILL YOU PERSONALLY DO ABOUT IT?!!
Anita Karczewski Call Me! I can help you (I think).
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:49:02 GMT
From: Robert C. Beckett (unknown)
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The Wrath of Anita Karczewski
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:00:10 GMT
From: Will you both get to a psychiatrist???? (unknown)
ak:I am angered, to say the least, by the treatment my husband and I have received in this matter, and I expect you to give your immediate attention to it.
Yours truly,
Anita Karczewski
OOOOOOOOO. Now I am COWERING from the wrath of Anita Karczewski. Christ almighty, this is even more abject than usual. You are obviously too mentally ill to understand you are in no position to dictate how other people run their business, and instead inform them you are "angered" to say the least that they will not give you money without identification, and "expect" them to immediately change the way they have decided to run their business just to please your psycho whims? Hey Anita. Send me money NOW or I will be righteously ANGERED, to say the least, and I expect you to give your immediate attention to my demands, YOU HEAR??? What planet do you two live on anyway? Will you both get the hell to a psychiatrist, and stop spamming this asinine crap here on a daily basis?
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A good question posed below. Bet you never answer it.
Re: The Wrath of Anita Karczewski (Will you both get to a psychiatrist????)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:31:50 GMT
From: Are legal authorities looking for you? (unknown)
Why do you need to hide your identity? Further, there is a Constitutional Amendment against forced servitude (13th?): why do you think that Amendment should be abolished and this bank forced to provide you with services, when you won't even come clean with simple identification as required by law to prevent fraud? This is too strange, and suggests even more serious problems with your legal status than we already know about. All your obvious psychiatric problems aside for the moment, the fact you feel compelled to hide your identity indicates there is something seriously criminal in your backgrounds. We know you had to leave California and cannot return because of legal problems there, and you have very similar legal problems you're running away from in this state as well: is this refusal to identify yourselves related to police searches?
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Hey Anita! You want to hear about anger?
Re: The Wrath of Anita Karczewski (Will you both get to a psychiatrist????)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:00:48 GMT
From: Parasites have no room for anger (unknown)
Society is angered, to say the least, that parasites like you and your husband are running away from your financial responsibilities. Get a job, both of you, pay your legal liabilities to society, and spare us your stupid little temper tantrums. Given that you two have lived off our tax money for decades now, you are in no position to be angry with anyone. Quite the contrary. You wasted am obscene amount of our tax money with your ludicrous waste of court time, and you owe us at least the money judgments. Stop trying to hide your money, own up to your responsibilites, and stop whining when you are made to act like adults.
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A Kook Speaks: The Mark Of the Bloated is Already Here!!
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:30:08 GMT
From: Ed (unknown)
Raymond Kazoo (rkook@internutcds.com) babbled in message
rk: > Today, my wife and I were told that I would no longer be allowed to endorse my retirement check over to my wife and have it deposited in her account,
Gee, kazoo...it looks like you have to get a job now and stop sucking off the taxpayer teat! It's gonna be a bummer, you haven't held a job for, what...30 years or so? Oh well, I hear McDonald's is hiring, good luck!
Ed
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Identification is a reasonable request
Re: Anita, why you want to sweat the small stuff?... (B's Bro)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:12:43 GMT
From: Why do they need to hide who they are? (unknown)
What bank is going to have any mone ydealings with anyone who is trying to hide their identity? I wonder why these people need to conceal who they are? Do they have a criminal record?
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Yes, in fact they do. At least Ray does.
Re: Identification is a reasonable request (Why do they need to hide who they are?)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:55:27 GMT
From: It's why the ID requirement exists (unknown)
He's banking (so to speak) on the fact the state won't spend the money to actually incarcerate him, but he wants to hide his money from being taken to pay outstanding legal judgments against him. Looks like they're willing to drag banks into their attempt to defraud the state and society. That's why banks have the identification requirement to begin with. No one who isn't running from the law needs to hide their identity, and we all know it.
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This won't work in any event
Re: Ray's trying to hide assets from judicial attachment (You can't run forever Ray)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:09:59 GMT
From: Paltry attempt to escape liability Ray (unknown)
If they're attaching assets to pay off legal judgments against Ray, the fact he closed his accounts and tried to hide his money in another account under his wife's name will not help him in the least. The bank will have to give up that information to legal authorities, and they can attach funds in her account as easily as they can reach money in an account under his name. The point is the checks are in his name, which means they can be reached to satisfy those outstanding judgments against him. Ray would have to come up with some fake ID, open up fraudulent accounts, do something about the payee name on whatever checks he's trying to deposit that way, and at that point he really will be in for some jail time. Screaming at the bank for doing what is required under state and federal law only makes Anita as big a kook as Ray. No bank is going to incur legal liability itself because it helped sopme nutcase hide assets from being seized in satisfaction of judgments legitimately entered against him by valid legal authorities.
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What's the matter Anita?
Re: The Wrath of Anita Karczewski (Will you both get to a psychiatrist????)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:45:49 GMT
From: Your constant whining is revolting (unknown)
Finally got the financial fallout from the court judgment? Poooooor baby. Maybe if you two had earned a legitimate lviing by working, as opposed to indulging yourselves in gambling addictions and breaking the law, you wouldn't have been busted, found liable for money damages to the state, and you wouldn't have all these problems. I have no pity for you at all. You're just finally learning a basic lesson: namely, that even if you want to act like retarded adolescents, you can't get away with it forever. Pay up and shut up. Your constant whining is revolting.
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Ray's bank isn't the Fed
Re: Actually if you read... (Greg Laux)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:39:48 GMT
From: He's using the bank to commit fraud (unknown)
Red herring. Every business has the right to dictate the means by which it can protect itself from fraud, and requiring identification in banking transactions is a reasonable and minimal means of assuring the bank won't get dragged into Ray's stupid legal problems. It's a really dumb maneuver. These people are so wrapped up in their narcissistic psychosis they just don't care what kind of legal problems they cause for anyone around them. If the bank cooperates in hiding money the state has a legitimate right to seize because of legal judgments Ray isn't minimally responsible enough to pay, the state can go after it for fraud as well. The only thing more stupid than trying to hide the money to begin with is posting Anita's ridiculous little snit on this forum. These people have no common sense or intelligence at all.
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Normally...
Re: The Mark Of the Beast is Already Here - Part II: (Anita Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:47:27 GMT
From: Greg Laux (wimp@teleport.com)
Normally the law states that before an institution can change the laws regarding a person's account they have to provide advance notice to each person through a mailing or other means of contact. Were you contacted about the change in the laws governing your account? Is the money that you have in the account supposedly FDIC insured? If it is then some other rules apply which might have been broken.
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No bank can unilaterally change law
Re: Normally... (Greg Laux)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:55:39 GMT
From: Where did you get this idea? (unknown)
It sounds like if they did just deposit a second party check into another account, they were violating the law all along. Did they know Ray was trying to hide assets by doing so? I sincerely doubt it. In any event, no bank can unilaterally change banking law. And why should this bank be held liable for Ray's attempted fraud against the state?
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Ray's trying to hide assets from judicial attachment
Re: Anita, why you want to sweat the small stuff?... (B's Bro)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:39:32 GMT
From: You can't run forever Ray (unknown)
This is obviously a ploy to hide what little money Ray has from judicial attachment proceedings. He has a number of legal judgments entered against him here and in other states, and recently received notice of action being taken against him for running away from court proceedings in Oregon. They have obviously finally sent the notice his assets will be attached to pay his liability on the judgment here in Oregon, and he is trying to hide what little money he has from the state.
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Again your bad faith is REEKING
Re: The Mark Of the Beast is Already Here - Part II: (Anita Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:22:52 GMT
From: So live by your words liars (unknown)
If Ray wants to be "independent" from all banking and money contracts, then let him! But this is just sending you in as some sort of lowly minion to do the money work that he wants to pretend he's too lofty to take care of himself. Obviously you're both DESPERATELY dependent on the money and banking system, or you wouldn't be posting these PATHETIC and stupid posts constantly. You are as sickening in your bad faith as your psycho crackpot husband is. The fact you two abused your own children straight our of your lives doesn't surprise me in the least. You must have made them miserable as hell for your family to refuse to have anything to do with you for many, mnay years now. What kind of a vicious, hate-filled mother were you anyway "lady?"
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If you want banking privileges you do what they want
Re: The Mark Of the Beast is Already Here - Part II: (Anita Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:49:28 GMT
From: Look elsewhere for pity. (unknown)
Why not actually practice what you preach instead? Terminate all contracts and be done with it! You'll never actually do that now will you. Frauds, as usual. There is nothing authentic about either you are your lying, psychotic husband. What you're saying here is that you want to post your constant screeds saying one thing **you have no intention whatsoever of actually doing.** Grow up you stupid old fool. You have no right at all to dictate banking policy at this bysiness, and if you want the **privilege of being a client,** you will comply with their requirements. And you will. You will never, and I mean never, actually do what you are constantly screaming you want to do. You and your nutcase hudband are nothing but fraud and manipulation.
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You two go down there and give them what's what
Re: The Mark Of the Beast is Already Here - Part II: (Anita Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:09:06 GMT
From: Let them really understand what you are (unknown)
Make sure you show up personally, so they can see your crazed physical appearance when you explain about the evil NWO, how you've terminated all contracts with government and banks, the plot of both to destroy the Constitution and free men, how you're going to take up guns and go into the streets in armed revolt, and all the rest of the stupid s**t impotent threats you two spam on this forum constantly. Make sure they see how ANGRY you are, let them look straight into your eyes and understand who they are dealing with, and the extents to which you are willing to go to make them pay for asking you for identification. I'm sure you'll both get the response you have coming. O wait a minute, YOU ALREADY DID.
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Isn't it time you kooks fled to another state?
Re: Ray's trying to hide assets from judicial attachment (You can't run forever Ray)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:55:14 GMT
From: Parasites out of Oregon! (unknown)
You've fleeced the good people of Oregon long enough. Since you can't go back to California or Nevada, you and Ray haul your tails into Montana, or Washington, or I don't care where else, but we're sick of your fraud and threats here.
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The bank did notify them, face to face
Re: Normally... (Greg Laux)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:39:59 GMT
From: Ever deepening legal problems Anita (unknown)
These kooks can't claim they weren't put on notice. Even Anita's post says as much. Again, they are plunging themselves into ever deeper legal problems, and nothing the federal reserve law says counters that fact. Can you point to where in federal reserve law it says people can deposit second or third party check into another person's saccount without proper identification? I'll answer that for you: no.
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Maybe they'll give them a nice shared padded cell
Re: The bank did notify them, face to face (Ever deepening legal problems Anita)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:14:27 GMT
From: Just keep them off the Internet! (unknown)
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Um.
Re: The bank did notify them, face to face (Ever deepening legal problems Anita)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:45:46 GMT
From: Greg Laux (wimp@teleport.com)
If the check is a government check there might be a regulation on that. I will read and pursue further. The checks were not just a regular citizen or private business check but rather social security and PERS. They might have a serious legal problem for not accepting these government backed checks.
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Forget it.
Re: Um.. (Greg Laux)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:42:24 GMT
From: Law won't defend Ray's illegal tactics (unknown)
This isn't a question of them not honoring the checks. That is simply not the legal issue. The problem is Ray hiding his identity, and attempting to conceal money from state attachment procedures by depositing second party checks in an account he proclaims he has no relation to. There's no way to argue this that will prevail legally or morally. Ray and Anita need to rethink the problems they've brought on themselves. If he wants to break the law, ignore outstanding money judgments againt him, and try and hide assets from the state's attachment procedures, he can't then turn around and expect the law to protect his illegal tactics. It's called dirty hands. He needs to grow up and decide: either he goes and lives in a cave somewhere, declines the money and banking system as he's constantly screaming about, and lives off whatever he finds, or he participates in the banking system, as he demands to do here, and accepts the responsibilities that entails. It's really that simple.
19 Oct 2001 13:26:09 -0700
>>>shabd@hotmail.com (Michael Martin) wrote:
>>>>Bruce Morgen (editor@juno.com) wrote in message news:(s4fhstcf9n2e471a0k8j7r3vo22omppmlp@4ax.com)...
>>>>> "Michael McColl" (mbmc3@home.com) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote;
mmc: >> >>>Hello,
mmc: >> >>> I'm looking for an appropriate venue where I can talk to others about what these two people have had to say about meditation. I haven't been able to locate a listserv.
thanks, MM
rk: >> What does one acquire by immersing the self in the confused opinions of others?
rk: >> Are you looking for Truth, or do you seek the illusion that is the consensus of Truth which is no more than collective conditioned belief?
rk: >> Meditate in silence. You shall come to discriminate the vast differences in those two levels of energies. "Neti Neti -- Not This, Not That." Negate the illusion and all that is left is Truth.
rk: >> Do not tarry at the level of engaging ignorant "talk abouts" -- mere blind believers who promulgate and commiserate with other like-minded believers -- for there is where Hell abounds and holds fast the consciousness of the limited within their own custom-made prison cell of Intellect.
rk: >> There is where the Hell-bound stay until they ultimately awaken to recognize the collective escape from a life of misery and ignorance that organized religions offer the masses.
rk:>> Discern the energy of "Talk Abouts" and "Talk Of's." Let such discernment guide you to the Truth you seek. See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchs3.htm#WISE
bm: >>>> I don't know about Packer, but there is a nominal Krishnamurti listserv over a eGroups called Listening-l. Here's my favorite Krishnamurti quote concerning meditation:
bm: > >>> "Meditation is not the repetition of the word, nor the experiencing of a vision, nor the cultivating of silence. The bead and the word do quieten the chattering mind, but this is a form of self- hypnosis. You might as well take a pill."
-- J. Krishnamurti
mm: >>> I would offer my opinion, that repetition is the best way to concentrate the mind. Whitman practiced it. Goethe practiced it. All the Masters at Beas practiced it. I practiced it.
rk: >> Then you and they practice self-hypnosis and call it meditation.
mm: > If you want to call it that, it is fine with me. Mind has to be stilled, whatever name we call it.
rk: Mind it Truely stilled when it comes to an end -- when it dies, and one is reborn of the spirit. It is at that moment that *What Is* IS, unadulterated by mindful interpretive chatter. To bind and gag the mind coercively through hypnosis is quite another thing, is it not? Pay attention michael and you will see that your whole position is based on the latter while you haven't a clue of the former.
mm: > My Master used to say that we still the lower mind with the higher mind, then we merge even the higher mind into the Shabd, Nam, or Holy Spirit.
rk: One fragment dominating another fragment. Rather noisy, isn't it?
mm: > Then mind is no longer a problem.
rk: At least until the hypnotic spell is broken and the mind has worked loose the psychological ties that bind and gag, eh?
mm: >>> J. Krishnamurti is self-contradictory, it seems to me. Quieting the mind is meditation.
rk: >> If method is involved in quieting the mind, such ego based method is Self-hypnosis in operation.
mm: > If we don't do the repetition, then mind will remain scattered in all forms of EGO, such as lust, anger, greed, attachment, and pride.
rk: Repetitions are the psychological ties that bind, spoken of earlier.
mm: > It is ego to avoid the repetition.
rk: Ah, the " damned if you do and damned if you don't" feature of a Satanic (Opposer) driven intellect asserting its neverending dualism. Noisy, isn't it?
mm: > If we think we can realize God without a Master, then it is ego.
rk: You have it Bassackwards, don't you michael? How can the fragmented thimble of intellect behold the Infinite? You merely speak of your own self-imposed codependent conditioned bondage to your own particular authority figure. One comes to the Infinite in freedom, not in bondage to concept.
mm: > We should follow him, and repeat his mantra with love and devotion.
rk: Thus emerges the unholy spectre of the "blind leading the blind."
rk: >> True meditation comes from pure timeless OBSERVATION sans the interference of time-bound interpretive thought.
mm: > Not hardly. Mind will only be observing this physical world, unless we can concentrate it by the Guru's Mantra, and open our third eye.
rk: What compensatory, facesaving, codependent gibberish!! Awareness is the key to spiritual liberation. What has the energy of nondualistic awareness to do with the conflicted energy of dualistic thought?
mm: >>>Mind is not going to still itself. We have to fight with it, to gain the victory over it. I know from 37 years of experience.
rk: Is this where I get to rest my case? Thirty Seven years and still fighting eh michael? Pay attention to your own words michael. They are telling you the story of your life and you are NOT PAYING ATTENTION!
mm: >>> If J. Krishnamurti thinks a pill will help us to realize God, then I don't agree with him.
rk: >> Even to the most unaware, it should be clear that you have misinterpreted Krishnamurti's comment about the artificially imposed altered state of consciousness achieved either through the practice of self-hypnosis or drugs.
mm: > It's not artificial. Would you care to explain that allegation?
rk: Allegation eh? See what I mean about a superficial thought-based ego and its demand to muck up everything it touches in its neverending need for facesaving?
mm: > If the repetition of the Guru's Mantra is artificial, then everything mind does in this world is artificial.
rk: Ah!! Now you got it. Can you say MAYA/ILLUSION???
mm: Your statement is leading us nowhere, as I see it.
rk: Is that not the nature of your own confusion expressing itself to you. You are not PAYING ATTENTION michael.
m: > Concentrating the mind is REAL, at this level. It is the first step to God-Realization.
rk: It may be real but it is not TRUE. The first and last step to man's fall from grace is the fall from nondualism to dualism. From there on, its all HELL for the human being, is it not?
mm: I can leave the body, mind, and even the soul, behind, at will.
rk: Body mind, and soul eh? What's left? Where's michael?
mm: It is not artificial. I'm sharing my own experiences, although I'm not going to argue until the cows come home.
rk: Of course it artificial. Otherwise you would not have engaged in a constant argument with bruce morgen for all these years. By the way, michael, have the cows come home yet?
mm: Either we can take it, or leave it.
rk: By the conflicted dualistic energy which resonate in your words -- consider it left!
mm: >>> Repetition, Contemplation of the Astral Master, and listening to the Shabd, Nam, or Holy Spirit will accomplish that, however.
rk: >> Yep! Such long term conditioning practices usually solidify such hypnotic beliefs into icons of worship.
mm: > All Great Masters have had Masters.
rk: Who was Jesus' living "master?" What do exceptions to the rule say about rules?
mm: > If they needed one, then so will we.
rk: In the village of the blind, the one eyed man is "King" eh?
mm: > I think that should be easy enough to understand.
rk: If you are in spiritual kindergarten. However after 37 years, is it not time to put away the things of spiritual childhood and GROW UP ?
mm: > If you want to call "stilling the mind," as "self-hypnosis," that's fine with me. The label is unimportant.
rk: There comes a time when one must leave the superficial letter of the word behind if the spirit of the word is to be understood. You michael, tarry at the peripheral and play and dally about with empty pretensions.
rk: >> Thus lies the *Fall of Man* and his eternal damnation into worshipping the "gods" of his own *conditioned* thoughts.
mm: > Damnation, and the fall of man, occurs when we reject the "Good Shepherds," as Christ called them.
rk: One must have the spiritual discernment to discriminate between the Truth of Christ and the Dogma of the Church.
mm: > If we refuse the Master, then we can lose the human form eventually, go to Hell, then are reborn in lower species.
rk: Ruled by fear eh michael? Now perhaps you get a glimpse of the difference between the Truth of Christ and the Dogma of the Religious Organization.
mm: > We can choose which direction we want to go. Some seeds always fall on barren ground.
rk: Ah Choice!! The very nature of dualism. Hell, isn't it?
rk: >> There is only Supreme Infinite Intelligence, without beginning or end. The name given It by man is GOD -- TRUTH. Resonate with that unmistakable, unreplicable, unique vibration of nondualistic TRUTH, and you are in a state of *AT-ONE-MENT* with the unbounded infinite vibratory essence of Supreme Intelligence. You are a Child of God -- THAT IS MEDITATION.
mm: > We can't do that without practicing Sat Guru Bhakti. That is why the Lord has been manifesting himself in the Saints, Mystics, and Guruavatars, since time immemorial.
rk: And here stands michael martin arguing with a mirror regarding his own hypnotically imposed sacred images?
mm: >>> Maybe Bruce Morgen could explain, why this quote is his "favorite?" Michael
rk: >> Why don't you ask bruce what his *favorite song* and *color* is while you're at it? See what I mean about the immersion of oneself in kindergartenish superficiality?
mm: > Are these NGs, alt.songs, or alt.colors. Why don't you get back on topic?
rk: That was rather a snippy, pathetic attempt at superficial misdirection, wasn't it? You well understood my comments but were stuck for a reasonable retort. Not very integral of you, was it michael?
rk: >> What strikes me as amazing, michael martin, is the level of ignorance which you have not yet personally penetrated in all these years while you have sought to hold yourself out as a spiritual teacher to others.
mm: > Well, I've posted my rebuttals of your teachings.
rk: What teachings? I've taught nothing. I have merely mirrored IGNORANCE as IT IS but not yet seen by an intellectually driven spiritually blind man.
mm: > Readers can use their own sagacity. I don't think mudslinging will gain a lot of respect in these NGs. Mudslinging indicates a weak fundamental position.
rk: Respect of ignoramuses is rather a shallow compensation for one's spiritual blindness, is it not, michael?
rk:>> To be fragmented is to be less than whole. To heal is to make whole.
mm: > Sat Guru Bhakt will heal us. We can't heal ourselves.
rk: So sayeth the spiritually impotent, eh michael?
rk: >> Wholeness is Truth.
mm: > Only a Master can make us whole, again.
rk: Even by now, you must be seeing your own fragmentation and how it has held you in bondage to the illusion of an outside authority which you habitually submit to as your master. You have provided a great service to the world in this thread michael. You have demonstrated like none other the energy of BASSACKWARDS. The least you can do is learn by your own lesson.
rk: >> HEAL THYSELF before you seek to assist Supreme Intelligence in the HEALING OF OTHERS.
mm: > It would be nice, if we could heal ourselves. Only by Master's grace can we regain our oneness with God.
rk: and so on, and so on, and so on, eh michael?
"barney" (barneyh@yesmate.com) wrote:
Ray Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Sun, 28 Oct 2001 04:27:47 +0100
hello Raymond Karczewski,
b: I hope this is relevant as the post I read ( a christ speaks), resonated somewhat with me on the point of your 'spiritual insights cutting through' and causing somewhat unpleasent reactions. Do you think this might be indicative of most peoples' slumber being disturbed rather than any overt 'evil' at play in society (I write from, here in the UK) ? I'm very much of the Celestine Prophecy - 'show them how irrational their anger is and they can understand' school of thought.
b: Interesting stuff. The atmosphere is very much the same here in the UK, by the way. Wakeup England, oh green and pleasent land!
b: Don't let them freak u out (don't seem like it :-)
barney
rk: Hello Barney,
rk: I am putting this reply on the newsgroups since private communication (confidentiality) has quite a different energy and one which is not conducive to a conditioned mind's reaction to the startling energy of Truth.
rk: Public exposure is the GREAT EQUALIZER. It neutralizes power and makes clear to all the equality of man.
rk: Our civilized world is ruled by such Satanic (Opposer) dualistic Thought. Its legions of the Satanically Ruled cannot stand up to a simple man standing alone protected only by the sword and shield of TRUTH.
rk: That was Jesus' message when He said He was "the Life the Truth and the Way." Few understood it then. Few understand it even now.
rk: A Christ is a simple man of Truth. He resonates with the unmistakable nondualistic energy that defies emulation. It is an energy that everyone is capable of exercising. Most may not know it (Truth) in their life, but there is no question that they feel it when they are exposed to it.
rk: It is that unique interaction of nondualistic Truth mirroring dualistic thought which raises the Hell in the conditioned, dualistic, "thought-bound" Intellectual.
rk: The following link is an excellent example of this: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch42.htm#Meditation
rk: Observe the distinct, unequivocal interaction and the energy transformation which goes on in the observant reader. Read any (as much as you have capacity for) and/or all of the article links marked with "***" on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
rk: There you will observe the sword and shield of Truth in action and how it unnerves the HELLBOUND.
rk: My country is at WAR. It is being waged by Stupid People. My country is being led by Stupid People. But alas, how many of my countrymen, how many of your countrymen are AWARE of it? You see, Barney, our countries are occupied by Stupid People, the Hell-bound, the Satanically Ruled.
rk: The solution to War and Our Corrupted Way of life is found in these articles on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
However, it must be seen, not Intellectualized.
rk: That is why I ask the question, "When a Christ Speaks, Who Listens?"
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Why do you think
Re: Meditation or Self Hypnosis: (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:51:14 GMT
From: Are you even capable of decency? (unknown)
you are incapable of posting anything that is not a vile personal attack? I have never once, not even one single time, seen you post anything that isn't an attempt to bolster your own monumental ego by assaulting someone else. Have you ever been anything but violent and malevolant? What could possibly have happened in your life to make you so full of hatred and rage towards every other living creature on earth? Were you just born that way, or have you been so beaten down by failure in life that the only way you can make yourself feel important and vital is by attacking anything that is not you?
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What is really weird about this
Re: Meditation or Self Hypnosis: (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:22:04 GMT
From: Ray's just a parrot here! (unknown)
Ray essentially is attacking this person for not thinking his own thoughts, and for looking to others' thoughts for guidance in spiritual matters. The extreme irony of this is that Ray is strictly parroting Krishnamurti here, down to the very words the latter uses. Ray adds precisely nothing to Krishnamurti's thoughts or language, except, of course, for the base ad hominem attacks a spiritual man of Krishamurti's stature would never stoop to. I wonder if Ray is even aware of the fact he is thinking only what others have told him to think, and adds nothing whatsoever to what his master has said? I sincerely doubt it. This kind of reality would destroy him.
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This is not true
Re: What is really weird about this (Ray's just a parrot here!)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:38:33 GMT
From: Reader of Krishnamurti (unknown)
Krishnamurti knows how to spell, use syntax correctly, and doesn't use inane vocabulary like BASSACKWARDS. Ray does add a couple of things, but they're insipid, trivial, and reveal his shallow facsimile thinking for what it is. You're right in saying Ray thinks only what other people tell him to think. He just doesn't have the insight or language skills to reproduce Krishnamurti's wisdom without completely perverting it.
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No one this damned mean could ever be wise
Re: Oh Ray, you could be such a wise sage ! (except that you're nuts.)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:07:06 GMT
From: Heal yourself before presuming to preach (unknown)
You need a lot of introspection and psychiatric help before you can begin to heal this spiritual degeneration Ray. Look into your own soul, deal with the hatred and violence that overwhelms you daily, and leave off these ironic attempts to tell other people how to think and live thier lives. You need to excise the blight and cancer from your own mind and soul first before you can understand how sick your behavior is.
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I believe Ray uses an abundance of . . .
Re: How many Christs are there, Ray? (You imply more than one.)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:12:22 GMT
From: Chester (unknown)
metaphors. In fact, he goes overboard with this to the point where his writing is just plain unintelligible. The "Christ" he refers to isn't the Christ you refer to. I believe Ray expects some future scholar to dig into his writings to ascertain the underlying meanings, something much like a scholar examining the runes of old. I am absolutely certain you know all about metaphors, but for those who might not know:
Main Entry: met·a·phor
Pronunciation: 'me-t&-"for also -f&r
Function: noun
Date: 1533
1 : a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language -- compare SIMILE
2 : an object, activity, or idea treated as a metaphor : SYMBOL 2
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This isn't metaphor. It's plain mental illness
Re: I believe Ray uses an abundance of . . . (Chester)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:42:27 GMT
From: Ray REALLY thinks he's God (unknown)
You don't KNOW Ray. He really does think he's Christ. Really. This is not some forum joke. Try meeting the man. HE REALLY THINKS HE'S GOD.
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But Ray defines Christ for us as . . .
Re: This isn't metaphor. It's plain mental illness (Ray REALLY thinks he's God)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:17:26 GMT
From: Chester (unknown)
"A Christ is a simple man of Truth." As for the adjective "Satanic," read that as "greedy." I suggest "greedy" because money is such a big thing in a number of Ray-related posts. If, as he did, you define Christ as a simple man of Truth, there can be many Christs. I'm among the first to admit, though, that he SOUNDS like he's nuts, but I think he overdoes whatever it is he's doing. but I don't think he IS nuts. I think he merely sounds like it because whatever it is he's doing--and this is just my very simple-minded opinion--he isn't doing it very well. But who knows, maybe he is doing it well. One thing we all have to admit, and that is that he attracts a lot of attention to himself in this forum, and I'm sure that is one of his goals.
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Please come and meet him.
Re: But Ray defines Christ for us as . . . (Chester)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:24:47 GMT
From: You can't judge based on no knowledge (unknown)
It will take all of 3 seconds for the truth to come out about him. He is out of control, and threatens us here in Cave Junction and Grants Pass constantly. Ray is no forum game, and when he threatens to take his guns into the streets and take armed action against us, he is not joking. Really. Please come and meet him. You cannot judge what this guy really is until you do some very basic fact checking about his mental illness and criminal history. Really.
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What a painfully inept liar you are!
Re: Disinformation and AMERICA at WAR! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:49:58 GMT
From: Looks like you've completely snapped (unknown)
Every single one of these posts you wrote and posted here, and carefully saved (read, hoarded) on your own damned website! You obviously wrote them and acknowledge as much on your vanity site, and now you're saying here it's some massive disinformation plot against you, and part of the war? How did your ludicrous forum squabbles become a component of the war Ray, and why do you aknowledge having written and posted the posts on your site only to then turn around and claim some unknown disinformation agents are framing you?? Have you finally completely snapped? Are you even aware of how you and your wife have been behaving lately??
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What do you mean by meet him? Are you . . .
Re: Please come and meet him. (You can't judge based on no knowledge)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:08:33 GMT
From: Chester (unknown)
going to introduce him? Do you give his address and I knock on his door? What do you mean by come and "meet" him?
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Yes. Physically meet him. I refuse to deal with him though
Re: What do you mean by meet him? Are you . . . (Chester)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:17:57 GMT
From: Best to deal with reality in this case (unknown)
All I'm suggesting is that Ray is not some forum game, but really does stand by his threats against society, and his mental illness is apparent within seconds. You can contact him through his website, and make arrangements to meet that way. Neither I nor my family will have anything to do with him anymore. He is dangerous, has too many serious problems with the law, and is so psychotic I'm afraid he really will take up his guns against us as he's been threatening to so, and cut down anyone who happens to be in the wrong place at that moment. You can also ask the local sheriff Dave Daniels, his men, Gordon Smith, Ron Wyden, The FBI in Medford, the CIA, Bill Clinton, George Bush, and everyone else Ray has harassed over the past several years. Seriously. They all know him and his history of mental illness very well.
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Ray, you are inventing this
Re: When a Christ Speaks, Who Listens? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:32:41 GMT
From: You're completely flipped out man (unknown)
This post by "barney" does not appear anywhere here on this page or in the forum archives. Stop making up these insane (!!) conversations with yourself and get some psychiatric help. It's pathetic that you have to invent your own fans to make yourself feel like some wise man. It's easy enough to see this original post doesn't appear anywhere on this forum.
rk: The following articles were posted on the Klamath Fall Bulletin Board today. Only one (When a Christ Speaks, Who Listens?) was posted by me on this date (not counting this one). Articles marked with ** were reposted by unknown persons.
rk: Can you folks say BLACK BAG OPERATION?
rk: When a Christ Speaks, Who Listens? — Raymond Karczewski,
unk: **THE STANAIC INTELLECT OF MAN - HELL, ISN'T IT?????????????? — Raymond Karczewski, Sun Oct 28 11:28
unk: **AND THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Raymond Karczewski, Sun Oct 28 11:25
unk: ** PRESIDENT BUSH DECLARES WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! — Raymond Karczewski, Sun Oct 28 11:21
unk: **A CHRIST SPEAKS: THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS ALREADY HERE!!!!!! — Raymond Karczewski, Sun Oct 28 11:18
unk: **The Mark of the Beast is Already Here - Part II — Anita Karczewski, Sun Oct 28 11:16
unk: ** Just Keep Them Off the Internet! — Raymond Karczewski, Sun Oct 28 11:15
unk: **Meditation or Self-Hypnosis? — Raymond Karczewski, Sun Oct 28 11:14
unk: ** hat does this have to do with Klamath? — Southern Oregonian, Sun Oct 28 11:12
unk: Southern Oregonian
unk: hat does this have to do with Klamath?
Sun Oct 28 11:12:57 2001
unk/so: Please respect this forum for a change, and keep your abusive tirades off here. No Christ lives just to attack others.
rk: For what it's worth, today I only posted the first article titled: "When a Christ Speaks, who listens."
rk: The other posts were written by my wife and myself on other days and were posted to this and to other forums. The Klamath Falls BB Administrator removed (CENSORED) them as quickly as they were posted.
rk: However, on this day, Sunday, Oct 28, 2001, the articles marked with ** were reposted on this forum today by unknown persons to present the illusion they were posted by Anita and me.
rk: Go ahead, Administrator, check the path and the source from where those articles were sent. They'll tell the story!
rk: You folks are getting a lesson on disinformation techniques and how you are being manipulated by Government/Media sponsored/supported Disinformation/PR experts on the Internet.
rk: And all the while you really thought it was the American Public's idea that WE WANTED OUR LEADERS TO WAGE WAR, EH?
rk: BE CAREFUL about *believing* what you read!!
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:12:22 GMT
From: Chester (unknown) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
c: How many Christs are there, Ray? (You imply more than one.)
rk: YOU BET!!
c: The "Christ" he refers to isn't the Christ you refer to.
rk: There is no question about that -- absolutely NONE!! The Christ state of Consciousness I refer to, has nothing to do with the Satanically imposed religious/Intellectual Mind Set which rules over *Legions* of blind, believing, dogmatically responding Christians.
rk: One only need observe what CHRISTIANITY and other world-based religious Institutions have brought to the world of Civilized Man. Hypnotically mind-controlled dualism-based Images of Love, Peace, and Harmony when implemented in the daily lives of blind believers, invariably are transformed into Hell-bound divisions, hypocrisies, exploitative wars, the Crusades, Witch Hunts, etc. by the filters of their rigid, fear laden, religious conditioning. It has nothing to do with God Realization and everything to do with Satanic based Intellectual influence and power. Not a pretty picture, is it?
c: I believe Ray expects some future scholar to dig into his writings to ascertain the underlying meanings, something much like a scholar examining the runes of old.
rk: Unfortunately, chester is correct in his assumption. Civilized man, by definition, is a creature of ignorance, one who has "Fallen from Grace." The facts have shown that my writing of the past six years on and off the Internet has fallen upon deaf ears. There'll be no wide-spread "Raising of the Living Dead" in this point in Human History as even those who SEE the spiritual/political crisis facing mankind are "seemingly" incapable of acting upon what they SEE.
rk: Satanically Ruled, Intellectually driven blind entities are incapable of direct perception of the Living Truth, and thus are relegated to existence on this planet inexorably bound to the Dead aftermoment of Satanically Ruled Intellectual Thought. That is the realm of the "Living Dead." Look at yourselves, those of you who are serious in your spiritual quest. Answer honestly. What realm of Consciousness do you presently occupy?
c: "A Christ is a simple man of Truth."
rk: The Christ State is the nondualistic essence of at-one-ment. It is indivisible, holistic. lt is the very nature of Love. Nowhere in the dualistic realm of Thought can Love be found -- only the illusory images of power, divisions, wars, exploitation, and endless Satanically promoted deceptions are found there. Surely a simple Man of Truth, an holistic entity, one who is "in this world of thought but not of it," would stick out like a sore thumb, and create a throbbing pain within the guilt ridden dualistic conscience of a sleeping, mind controlled populace.
c: As for the adjective "Satanic," read that as "greedy."
rk: Greedy is much too narrow a conceptual grasp. Widen that narrow view to read SATANIC as "DUALISM," with its endless oppositions and eternal conflicts and contradictions. How else could Hell on Earth exist?
c: I suggest "greedy" because money is such a big thing in a number of Ray-related posts.
rk: Money is not a big thing to an entity possessed of Christ Consciousness. The Christ State of Consciousness is the essence, the very nature of BALANCE, of LOVE. Its nondualistic essence is immune from, but is eternally assailed by Satanic Dualistic Temptation and Opposition.
rk: Only in the Satanic Realm of Dualism do the psychologically unbalanced give inordinate importance to the accumulation of money and power. It is a sign of their own projected, conditioned, self-perceived image of impotence.
rk: The acquisition of money and power remain as the primary temptation responsible for LEGIONS of Hell-bound to have sacrificed their souls (balance) for the Satanic promise of temporal advantages. Ask yourselves this question: In the realm of holistic (nondualistic) Love, where is advantage to be found?
rk: The simple fact is that money is merely the symbol of one's energy output.
If one is possessed of sufficient energy, one is a free man.
Lacking sufficient energy, while being controlled and manipulated by a usurous credit/debt system, one is relegated to the status of being a slave, and an ignorant one at that. Look at the world Civilized Man has created in his image. There clearly lies the conflicted, Hell-bound, thought-structured world divided up as MASTERS and SLAVES.
c: I'm among the first to admit, though, that he SOUNDS like he's nuts,
rk: That is not suprising coming from a world view which is demonstrably BASSACKWARD.
c: but I think he overdoes whatever it is he's doing. but I don't think he IS nuts.
rk: See what I mean about doubt. To the spiritually sighted the simple Truth is seen or it is not seen. Only the "unseeing," the intellectually debilitated, persist and feed upon their own doubt.
c: I think he merely sounds like it because whatever it is he's doing--and this is just my very simple-minded opinion--he isn't doing it very well. But who knows, maybe he is doing it well.
rk: chester, your extreme dilemma of discriminating between *is or isn't* rather says it all. Sorry, but there's no MACK TRUCK available to nudge you off your present stance of confusion.
c: One thing we all have to admit, and that is that he attracts a lot of attention to himself in this forum,
rk: Therein lies the TRUTH, the answer sought by all, does it not? It reveals a legion of thought-bound IGNORAMUSES who are psychologically compelled to face and expose themselves to the world as the Mirror of Truth exposes the Hell of their existence.
Genial Uncle Bob (Genial_member@newsguy.com) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
30 Oct 2001 06:46:52 -0800
In article (3BDDE02B.56C05233@internetcds.com), Raymond says...
rk: >> Unfortunately, chester is correct in his assumption. Civilized man, by definition, is a creature of ignorance, one who has "Fallen from Grace." The facts have shown that my writing of the past six years on and off the Internet has fallen upon deaf ears.
b:> Unfortunately for you, Ray, I don't think that's the case. I for one have tried to read your philosophical posts (as opposed to your name-calling paranoid ones) over the years, and when you get past all the catch-phrases and handwaving, your fundamental message is 'don't be dualistic', whatever that means.
rk: By your own admission you have only grasped "don't be dualistic" out of my thousands of posts and still don't understand what that means? Come on now, bob, is such a state of ignorance really bliss?
b:> I've read some Buddhist philosophy, I know what 'dualism' is, and your posts are still an opaque, sticky mass.
rk: Let me get this straight. You say you understand what "dualism" is, but you don't understand what is meant by "don't be dualistic?" What level of intelligence do you suppose is operating in one who would make such a statement?
b: > So I don't think that your stuff has fallen on deaf ears.
rk: In your case, it has. No amount of verbal hypocrisy can confuse and misdirect attention from that crystal clear fact.
b: > I think it's just that your message isn't very useful, and it's deeply and firmly embedded in masses of boilerplate bullshit.
rk: Ignoramuses who don't understand what another says, yet are wont to call it "boiler plate bullshit", get a glimpse of their own ignorant face-aving defense mechanisms when peering into the Mirror of Truth, don't they? Hell, isn't it?
c:>>> "A Christ is a simple man of Truth."
rk: >> The Christ State is the nondualistic essence of at-one-ment.
b: > Ok, there's a good example. How many times have you written that?
rk: Countless times, yet you apparently STILL DON'T GET IT!
b: How many posts has it appeared in?
rk: Countless times, yet you apparently STILL DON'T GET IT!
b: IT IS MEANINGLESS.
rk: Only to compensating IGNORAMUSES!
b: You are putting impressive sounding words on the screen with no apparent understanding of what they mean,
rk: See what I mean by IGNORAMUSES and their kneejerk use of compensatory psychological projection? The simple fact is that YOU admittedly do not understand what another means, yet your prideful compulsion for facesaving misdirections require that you tell the other that HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE MEANS. Even at your present level of consciousness, you can see how BASSACKWARDS this ploy is.
b: and no apparent understanding that the spiritually blind (as you call them) if they really existed, would have to be gently led out of blindness.
rk: "If they really existed?" Look at the present state of our world. What more proof do you require? However, I fully understand the reason for such commiserating comments which you hope will endear you to other flawed Ignoramuses -- You are singing to the choir. See above regarding projection of "lack of understanding." The simple fact remains that if you were to reread your comments in this post you will see that you have nothing to offer of your own and are only reacting to your own troubling state of ignorance.
b: > In effect, you tell people to be different. That's all, just be different.
rk: Simple, eh? Yet who has made such a difference in their lives? You certainly have not!
b: > No explanation as to how, or why.
rk: You know the drill, oh hypocritical choir singer -- you can lead an IGNORAMUS to water, but you can't make em drink!
b: > Just a lot of sound and rushing wind, like a... well, you know.
bob 'christ state' compton
rk: Spoken like a letter-of-the-word-trained ignoramus oblivious to the deeper communication of the "Spirit of the Word," eh?
30 Oct 2001 09:28:36 -0800
marsarmageddon@hotmail.com (Mars) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
m: There is only one true second Coming of Christ.
rk: The Second Coming of Christ occurs when societally conditioned IGNORAMUSES wake up to their hypnotic Conditioning and thus transcend it. That is the moment of the "Resurrection of the Spirit; i.e., Holistic Intelligence.
m: That is me.
rk: The "me" you claim is merely an unhealthy (conditioned) dualism-based ego expressing itself. By its very limited and fragmented nature, it CANNOT be Christ, the holistic, nondualistic essence of TRUTH.
m: All Capitalist versions of Christ, must in time face final war.
rk: All "versions" are illusory psychological constructs, therefore none are Christ.
m: There is only One true religion.
rk: All religions are man-made thought-based organizational structures. They have no direct relationship to God, Truth, Life, etc. All religions structured in dualistic thought are Satanic (Opposer) in origin and seduce blind followers away from Direct *At-One-Ment* with the nondualistic essence of Truth and as such, lead such IGNORMASUSES into the worship of the "False gods of Thought." Such is the nature of Man's Fall from Grace.
m: Revolutionary Communism.
rk: Like all false systems imposed by force upon the minds of nondiscriminating, fear directed, capitulating ignoramuses, it promises grandiose positive images but only delivers conflict, wars, and endless suffering. That is how one spots the nature of the Satanic Element at work. Listen to what the Satanic minions (rulers) promise, then watch what these Satanic minions deliver.
m: Nuclear War against America and Britain.
rk: Sounds like death and destruction to this Christ. How does it sound to you?
m: Capitalism must be submitted to war.
rk: mars, you're just chock full of these Satanic offerings, aren't you?
m: Solidarity with Bin Laden
Mars
London.
www.swordofjustice.co.uk
rk: Ossama Bin Laden is as much a victim of his Culturally conditioned mind as you are. Hell, isn't it?
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Like a rat in a Skinner maze
Re: How Many Christs are There? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:25:32 GMT
From: You're a sick caricature of rage & hate (unknown)
You just can't escape that conditioning, can you? Question is, do you even try? No matter what stimulus you are subjected to, you say exactly the same thing in exactly the same words in exactly the same order to exactly the same lack of effect. Your mind is completely controlled by your body chemistry. This is evidenced by the sudden spurts of **absolutely insane abuse** you hurl loose in this forum, only to then subside a bit and soon restart in cyclical fashion. There is no shame in being mentally ill. The shame lies in the way you allow your own body sickness to reduce you to a blithering, abusive idiot, and to make you into such a caricature of rage and hate that you are not a full human being.
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come to this, IF this is for real
Re: How Many Christs are There? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:37:21 GMT
From: Multiple Personalty Disorder? (unknown)
If Ray didn't write this tripe himself, things have finalyl hit the infinitiely low point I've been anticipating for years. Finally two competing "Christs," more or less equal in their absolute impotence and ignorance, vie to see who is the REAL false Christ. That is, again, if Ray didn't write this garbage himself in a fit of multiple personality disorder
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Chester (me) just read it, Bob, and I have a . . .
Re: Some Patient Advice for Raymond Karczewski (Bob Compton)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:55:06 GMT
From: Chester (unknown)
comment for you. In reference to the Christ state of consciousness, you quoted Ray as follows: "Its nondualistic essence is immune from, but is eternally assailed by Satanic Dualistic Temptation and Opposition."
Then you wrote, "Another linguistic note: if something is 'immune' to something, it cannot be 'assailed' by it." I would think Ray's mistake here, if indeed there is a mistake, is in his use of the word "nondualistic" rather than "dualistic." If I'm wrong about that, and I probably am, then consider this: "Its nondualistic essence is immune from Temptation but assailed by Satanic Opposition." That works beautifully, doesn't it? However, I don't mean to be critical of you. Reading Ray is not easy to do, and that is exactly the way he wants it, EXACTLY!
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You and others had better watch out. Ray may be . . .
Re: Wait until he trains his guns on you (You ain't seen nothing yet!)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:19:16 GMT
From: Chester (now featured on Ray's posts) (unknown)
the SECOND COMING! Don't forget, the first Christ was derided, too. When Pilate asked the crowd whether they wanted Jesus or Barabbas, a murderer, they asked for Barabbas meaning this murdered would go free while Jesus would be nailed to the cross. And as Jesus walked through the crowds lining the streets as he carried the heavy cross to the crucifixion grounds, the people spat on him, the children threw rocks at him, and so on. It looks like what happened to the first Jesus is now happening to Ray. Jesus wasn't understood. Ray isn't understood. Yes, you guys had better watch it!
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Bad news Ray
Re: How Many Christs are There? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:14:36 GMT
From: Sheesh! (unknown)
c: I believe Ray expects some future scholar to dig into his writings to ascertain the underlying meanings, something much like a scholar examining the runes of old.
rk: Unfortunately, chester is correct in his assumption.
If you think any scholar is going to waste even a split second of time on your psychosis, think again. You have nothing top say except for the fact you worship yourself, and you have nothing at all to offer humsnity.
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Christ didn't have criminal records in many states
Re: How Many Christs are There? (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:24:43 GMT
From: Oregon Patriot (unknown)
Ray, your problems running away from the law in California, Nevada, and here are wel-known on this forum, and the fact you have so many problems with mental health and legal authorities in so many places tells us you have nothing to do with Christ. Christ never once threatened anyone with violence, or to take guns out on the streets against his neighbors. Save your self-serving sanctimony for Anita.
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Personally, I'm relieved.
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:16:55 GMT
From: Liberal Panda (unknown)
When I read that the FBI was assuming (for the purposes of their investigation) that the anthrax attacks were domestically engineered, I was relieved.
I gain some small comfort that the usual American wackos are to blame, rather than some faceless, foreign terrorist. After all, America has plenty of wacko, anti "world government" types, some posting right here on this forum. Any one of them could have sent the letters in a crime of opportunity after 9-11.
Tim McVeigh, Ted Kaczinski, Ray Karczewski, the Aryan Nation -- they're as familiar as Corn Flakes, apple pie and Richard Speck.
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Can't run away from your criminal history of child abuse
Re: Oregon's Suspension of Unalienable Rights (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:42:15 GMT
From: You are slinking, cowering filth Ray. (unknown)
You've spent your whole life running away from your crimes, including what you did to your own family. You are pure filth, and you can't run away from that basic fact.
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You're problem is you're looking for sense
Re: I've had 18 years of formal education,but damned if (I can understand your rants.)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:37:24 GMT
From: Thing is the man is armed and dangerous (unknown)
Again, this searcj of meaning and insight is completely beside the point in Ray's case. In addition, Ray will now promptly attack you for being a SATANIC INTELLECT BASSACKWARDS IGNORAMUS, and your remarks simply feed his psychosis. Try living near this guy. You think this is bad? Wait until he gets his guns out.
K. Francis Hanson
Processing Services Manager.
Driver and Motor Vehicle Services
Salem OR 97314
I received your letter containing a Notice of Suspension of driving privileges to take effect at 12:01 AM on December 25 (Christmas) 2001.
I have no contract with the State of Oregon for a driver's license, and therefore the issue at hand is moot. There has been neither a request for nor an acceptance of driving privileges made by me since I rescinded my contract with the State of Oregon on Sept. 23rd, 1999.
My previous drivers license contract expired on Sept 23rd 1999. I deliberately and wilfully did not renew it. I made public notification of such action by notifying various state and local public officials prior to and subsequent to that date. Instead I reinstituted my Unalienable Right to Liberty, which includes the free and unobstructed use of the public highways while travelling in my private propery for private, not commercial purposes. Such conduct has been upheld by existing case law as a Constitutional Right, not requiring a license by the State. I recommend you obtain any and all court records and arguments regarding this issue from the Canyonville Justic Court before you pursue your present course of action.
With regards to the matter at hand, I do not recognize the authority of the Canyonville Justice (traffic) Court which refused to respond to a motion which challenged the court to prove its Jurisdiction over one who has not contracted with the state for driving privileges, nor waived his Constitutional Rights. Justice of the Peace Carol Roberts refused to prove such jurisdiction, and further, to recognize my Constitutional Right to have my case heard before a jury of my peers in a Common Law Court according to the due process clause of the U.S. Constitution.
Until my guaranteed Constitutional Rights are recognized and afforded me, I assert that any action taken by the State of Oregon, including actions taken by your agency to suspend driving privileges of one who has neither requested nor contracted for such privileges, to lack force of law.
I therefore assert that any action taken by the State of Oregon to arrest me, impound my automobile, or restrict my right to travel freely upon the public highways under the present circumstances is unconstitutional and any Oregon public officials who disregard such Constitutional safeguards place themselves in legal peril.
This is by no means an appeal to your letter. It is simply a notice to desist in the infringement of my Constitutional Right to Liberty. This notice shall be published on the World Wide Internet so that all concerned with the erosion of our U.S. Constitution may be fully aware of the ongoing status of this issue of importance to the American public.