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The above is the headline from the Drudge Report on this date.
It appears that President Bush has finally decided to openly identify the enemy upon whom he plans to wage war -- .
It is THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES!
Make no mistake about it. This National ID card brings America one step closer to the same momentum as Nazi Germany of the last Century.
My question is WHO THE HELL DOES PRESIDENT BUSH THINK HE IS, and WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE to make him think he could get away with this?
President Bush works for us. Not the other way around. Stripped away of all the Media promoted PR, President Bush is still only an elected public servant serving at the behest of the REAL GOVERNMENT, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
All of this nonsense is done with words, just words. Yet thousands of lives, perhaps millions of lives, foreign and domestic, hang in the balance of those words.
When is AMERICA going to WAKE UP to find they've been had?
When are the people of America going to put a stop to these encroachments upon our freedoms guaranteed us by our U.S. Constitution?
When are Americans going to say enough is enough? When is the American Public going to put an end to this momentum toward a National ID Card which shall instantly transform free men into slaves, into VASSALS in service to their FEUDAL MASTERS?
Take a good look at what is being proposed and tell me if you perceive any difference from the kind of system which ruled England in the middle ages. What happened to the experiment in Freedom that caused our founding fathers to separate their loyalties from the English Crown more than 200 years ago?
What has happened to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave?
To the average American Citizen I say, submit to this National ID card like the sheeple you seem to be, and I assure you that YOU WILL BE SHORN!
This national ID Card and followup CASHLESS SOCIETY is going to destroy our control over our own money and put it into the hands of faceless bureaucrats who decide who will live and who will die with the touch of a computer key. This ID Card, if implemented because of public apathy, shall sound a death knell for The United States of America and for THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
Out of its ashes of death and destruction will rise THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
This WAR NONSENSE is a sham to occupy public attention while PRESIDENT BUSH initiates his plan to hold hostage the peoples of the United States under MARTIAL LAW wherein the U.S. Constitution will be suspended and AMERICA SHALL never return to it.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR AMERICANS TO WAKE UP -- JUST WHAT DOES IT TAKE ?!
I wonder if the LEGION of lurkers who read these misdirecting attacks by these cowardly anonymous disinformation agents have even the scintilla of AWARENESS to NOTICE that at NO TIME do these YAHOOS ever directly address the contents of my posts.
The fact is they cannot, for it is quite beyond their present level of comprehension. Instead they sing to the choir of fellow IGNORAMUSES.
Go ahead, folks, check out the archives. See if you can find a single post from these cowardly shadow dwellers which directly addresses the subjects of my posts and are not solely designed to misdirect your attention onto gossip, attack, and prurient oriented inane tangents.
It seems they have an audience. What does that tell you about the State of Consciousness which permeates the newsgroups/forums of the Internet?
And you wonder how and why AMERICANS can be so easily led into WAR by their leadership!!
Hell, isn't it?
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Get this: Ray's not really talking to this woman!!
Re: I dunno, could be the real Ray. Maybe. (Probably a Fauxczewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:31:22 GMT
From: Purely Imaginary Conversation! (unknown)
This letter was printed in the Herald, and posted on the Klamath forum. Ray isn't actually talking to anyone here, just having an imaginary pontification session he's spamming wherever he can. He's been thrown off the Kalamth board, so I guess he's taken refugse for his crap here.
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Uh, Ray?
Re: The Time of Feminine Revolution Revolution !
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:00:57 GMT
From: The Nine (icenine@locnetwork.com)
Just a question... When you ripped this editorial off the front page of http://amedee.org, did you not notice the picture of the bearded gentleman off to the right?
rk: I responded to the post which appeared on a religious newsgroup, i.e., talk.religion.newage.
rk: I must admit I did not visit the website before responding to the message.
rk: I was addressing feminine energy eminating from the article.
rk: Since when does physical gender dictate sexual identification and energy"
rk: As usual and expected, you missed the point!!
in: That bearded gentleman is Amedee, your "sister in spirit."
in: If you have to manufacture conversations with people, you might want to take an extra 10 seconds to prevent an impending foot up your ass.
in: You're welcome.
i9
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: NOTE: The first article was blocked from reaching the newsgroups, so it is being reposted here!!
rk: Read the comments of widdershins and other Disinformation Agents, They do tell their story, don't they?
sinistre@concentric.net (Widdershins) wrote:
X-No-Archive: Yes
On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:43:53 -0700 Ray Murphy (raymur@au.box.chariot.net) Licked the point of a yellow #2 pencil and wrote:
>Now is the time to start flooding Usenet with NOCEMS to cancel all kooks posts,including Flaggy, Kettler, Karczewski, Augusts, Min and Raytard Murphy.
>This will censor and terrorize them as per SKEPTI-CULT Prime Directive # 54377-017
>You know what to do.
w: Consider it done.
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Disinformation on the Internet (Was: I WONDER IF???)
24 Sep 2001 00:04:38 -0700
Former Grants Pass Business man, Ed Wilkinson, formerly of Digital Arts, 880 NE 7th St., Grants Pass, OR 97526,(541) 479-8756, 1-800-446-8756. formerly of dgtlarts@cdsnet.net, (Agent Sir Ed) nope@nospam.com, agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com , former Arms Dealer, former self-professed Journalist, former Member of Oregon Republican Party Central Committee, also known as Mr. Ed, aka Sir Ed, aka Oregon Ed, aka Ray Kargoofy, aka (LIghtColonel Meepzorp-Bazza, SAIC), aka Raymond Karscrewloose, aka the generic "UNKNOWN," a regular and frequent poster on Town Square Forum, Klamath Falls Forum and APFN Patriot Forum wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote in message
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Get this: Ray's not really talking to this woman!!
Re: I dunno, could be the real Ray. Maybe. (Probably a Fauxczewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:31:22 GMT
From: Purely Imaginary Conversation! (unknown)
unk: > This letter was printed in the Herald, and posted on the Klamath forum. Ray isn't actually talking to anyone here, just having an imaginary pontification session he's spamming wherever he can.
ed: Hey, be glad she's just imaginary. Last year he posted a letter he wrote to a 16 yr-old girl he met on the internet,
rk: I have never met the young lady. I merely responded to a post on a forum, just as I am doing now. No followup posts were made to the original article. Why the skewed spin? Why not share the entire article with everyone so that they can see what actually was said.
rk: By the way, I've inserted the article below so that it can be read in its full context.
ed: wherein he told her that she should go ahead and have sex with her boyfriend, irregardless of how her parents felt about it.
rk: Oh Media, Intelligence Community connected ed wilkenson, you do take liberties with the facts do you not? Where have I mentioned her parents in the article? By the way, I understand you are no longer on the Oregon Republican Central Committee. What happened? Did they discover what a political liability you have become to them. Any comments?
ed: He said he sensed her "vibrational essence" (or somesuch crap) and it told the kazoo that she wanted to have sex.
rk: Why not use the words that I used? It would Spoil your deception, would it not?
ed: Kazoo's lucky her father didn't know where the Kazoo Compound on Finch Road was!!
Ed
rk: I have NEVER lived on Finch Road but then again, you cannot help yourself in displaying your complete disregard for facts along your compulsive tendency to make it up as you go along? What kind of journalist does that make you? Care to comment on your job with your present employer. A spotlight may soon be shining their way.
Ray Karczewski
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Wednesday, 01-Mar-2000 02:05:27
208.26.131.31 writes:
Stephanie writes:
s: There's a guy in my school whose about 2 1/2 years older than me, but I like him a lot. But apparently he's a real bad boy.
rk: Stephanie, let us start from scratch. Your message caught my attention, and I felt the urge to address it.
rk: However, Stephanie, all answers that have any real, meaningful, lasting substance must come from deep within yourself and not from the superficial advice of another. You will find that in life another may be able to point you toward the Truth, but it is still up to YOU as to whether or not you have the "spiritual eyes" to see it.
rk: First off, what do you mean by "good" and "bad?" If you are talking about sex (I gathered that telepathically), you are merely expressing your own familial and religious obstructive conditioning toward natural hormonal urges of healthy teen-aged human beings. Yes, Stephanie, even "Children of God" have these same "natural" urges. Don't make something natural and beautiful into an abomination, for once you step onto that slippery slope, it is difficult to regain one's psychological balance. To do so is to make Heaven on earth into a Hell on earth.
rk: Look at the way you are trained to think. You think in terms of duality, in terms of good or bad, when you ought to be NOT THINKING blindly, but SEEING life through the open eyes of personal Spiritual Responsibility. Yes, Stephanie, true responsibiilty comes from seeing with awareness and not thinking in unawareness.
rk: Sex is neither a good nor a bad thing. It is what IT IS, merely a natural, healthy human function which is either approached responsibly or irresponsibly. It's the icing on the cake when LOVE is present in human relationship between the sexes.
s: The only way for me to ever get the chance to go out with him is to become a bad girl.
rk: Isn't that your moment of Truth, Stephanie? You will either face it fully and with balance, or you will capitulate to the pressure you feel, and give in. What can another say to you but to approach it with intelligence and awareness. In doing so, you will do the right thing at the right time. That is the nature of Intelligence, of Awareness. Approach all things in life in that way, and you will understand what it means to live and love as ONE. That is the eternal message of Truth and Love that our Spiritual Brother Jesus brought to the contemporaries of His world, and which remains with us even to this day.
rk: Don't allow others to influence you in making such a natural thing as sex into a "guilt trip."
s: But I'm not sure how to change that little girl image to a bad image.
rk: If you wish to live your life hiding behind images that are not the "REAL YOU" expressing yourself, you are inviting nothing but trouble into a life that would otherwise be guided by Infinite Intelligence; i.e., "GOD."
s: I'm not even sure if I wanna change.
rk: True change comes from the core of your very being, not from masks that must be worn to accommodate changing social conditions. Love everyone as you would have them love you, but first, Stephanie, find out what LOVE truly is.
s: Don't get me wrong, I'm not a goody-goody or anything, just I'm not as bad as I could be. So, should I become a bad girl? And if so how?
Stephanie
rk: Be neither a "goody-goody" nor a "baddy-baddy." BE YOURSELF, Stephanie. That way there's no pretense. If someone likes you for yourself, you will find it to be an effortless relationship. If, on the other hand, you find that you must put on a mask to get through the moment, who is it that is living your life? See what I mean?
rk: Anything less than being "TRUE TO YOURSELF", and you will step on that slippery slope of becoming a "hypocrite in the making." Look around you at the adults who share your life. You'll see what I mean.
rk: Forgive me, Stephanie, for being so blunt, but that is my way. I may not always tell another what they want to hear, but I will ALWAYS tell them the TRUTH.
My Best to you Stephanie,
Ray
Former Grants Pass Businessman Ed Wilkinson, formerly of Digital Arts, 880 NE 7th St., Grants Pass, OR 97526,(541) 479-8756, 1-800-446-8756. formerly of dgtlarts@cdsnet.net, (Agent Sir Ed) nope@nospam.com, agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com, former Arms Dealer, former self-professed Journalist, former Member of Oregon Republican Party Central Committee, also known as Mr. Ed, aka Sir Ed, aka Oregon Ed, aka Ray Kargoofy, aka (LIghtColonel Meepzorp-Bazza, SAIC), aka Raymond Karscrewloose, aka the generic "UNKNOWN," a regular and frequent poster on Town Square Forum, Klamath Falls Forum and APFN Patriot Forum: wrote:
Date: 2001-09-24 18:48:36 PST
arkook@arkookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) wrote in message
rk: >> Oh Media, Intelligence Community connected ed wilkinson
ed: > Heh heh heh..well, (as Reagan said) there you go again! I am in no way connected to The Intelligence Community, nor have I ever been, other than having had an ex-CIA customer once, three years ago, that I designed a flyer for, for his Boy Scout Troop. Nor am I part of The Media Community anymore, since the newspaper I was a part of (the Josephine County Courier) ceased production five years ago.
rk: ed, have you ever heard the old adage "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"? Remember the comments you made in the post below, just a little more than a year ago? So much for your veracity, eh?! Hell, isn't it?
Re: Disinformation Agents on the Internet---A License to Libel?
On Thu, 20 May 1999 10:12:28 -0800, nope@nospam.com (Agent Sir Ed) wrote:
ed: > "You lied about me. You said that I had Intelligence Agency connections. The only connections I have were in printing business cards and flyers for three guys who owned businesses in town, and they do business with everybody in the downtown sector."
rk: You just can't keep any of your stories straight can you? First there were Three Intelligence Community operative contacts one year ago, now you state there was one Intelligence Community operative contact "three years ago."
rk: Let's face it, "agent sir ed," your psych handlers are going to make it look like you have taken the way out your father took before they let you sit on the Federal witness stand and expose the Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Mind Control/Disinformation Internet operation to the American public and the world.
ed: Wow...it must be wierd to be you, so filled with lies and self-deception!
rk: >> By the way, I understand you are no longer on the Oregon Republican Central Committee. What happened ?
ed: > I moved out of Grants Pass to the country (out of my precinct) and didn't feel like running again. I may do so in the future, who knows!
Ed
25 Sep 2001 13:30:25 -0700
Tony Patrocinio (Tony_member@newsguy.com) wrote:
In article (c0588d7a.0109242258.3cb8b7ee@posting.google.com), arkent@arkenterprises.com says...
rk: >> Let's face it, "agent sir ed," your psych handlers are going to make it look like you have taken the way out your father took before
tp: When a self-proclaimed Christ attempts to wound another in such a cheapshit, shoddy, deliberate way, that is a 'Contradiction in Essence', is it not?
rk: Oh Ye of little foresight. You might say that I was saving His Life by spotlighting the obvious.
Here's a little test to determine the fundamental spirit which guides you in your daily life. Let's make it simple so that no one can miss the point.
Visualize yourself as a young teenager (it does not matter what your actual age is, fundamental spirit is what is being examined here) entering a school cafeteria for the first time. On one side of the cafeteria are tables teeming with typical teenagers -- loud, energetic and chaotic.
The other side of the room is sparsely occupied with plenty of room, quiet (except for the noise overload heard from the other side of the room) and an essence of order not yet altered by those who sit there.
On which side of the room will you choose to have your lunch?
Go deeply within. Answer the question unequivocally. Sorry, no shades of gray here. Where would you sit? Which environment magickally beckons you? Silly experiment you say? Far from it, as you will come to see.
Go ahead. Answer the question. Give your answer on the newsgroup. Let us examine the real significance of your choice. Anonymous responses will not be regarded.
unk: Re: In that case, you have to sign Raymond Karczewski (It's forum code for "Writer of Nonsense")
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:00:41 GMT
From: Jimmy (unknown)
j: Did Ray ever convince the authorities that he . . .didn't have to obtain a drivers license since it was his inalienable right under the Constitution to drive an automobile on the public roads? An at earlier time this matter seemed to occupy a lot of the attention in this forum. As for Ray's posts, it is unfortunate that he wasn't born in a Muslim country. His kind of stuff might travel better in a country with a culture thousands of years old.
unk: Ray's a piker (unknown)
unk: Nah. He got fined almost $800, and whined about it.
rk: I've paid no fine. How could I be fined by a court which had no jurisdiction over a free man not subject to Admiralty/Maritime Law since no contract existed between him and the State? In other words, lacking such contract, he had not given the court his consent to be prosecuted.
rk: Without following existing case law by proving Jurisdiction, which the traffic court judge adamantly refused to do, such court violated the U.S. Constitution and thus any judgment issued therein carried with it no force of law behind it.
rk: Fining me under such a blatant act of judicial fraud is one thing, making it stick is quite another, is it not?
rk: What ever happened to "due process" in America? The fine you speak of which I did not and do not recognize as lawful had the effect of charging me hundreds of dollars in order to appeal a case never heard in a proper Court of Jurisidiction in the first place.
rk: As to the issue of Rights vs Privileges and the State of Oregon, we've only just begun. I suggest you save your money if you intend to bet on the traffic court on this one -- that is, of course, as long as we Americans still have a Constitution and an appeal process to hold Judges accountable for their unlawful conduct in court.
rk: JUDGES ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!
Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:54:58 GMT
"Calico_Kai" <_bowstring@excite.com> wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Hi, Ray.
ck: I know you speak the truth in regards to our corrupted morality. It took the lives of so many people to wake the USA up and face the fact that we need God. What bothers me is the way the politicians are telling us to go back to our lives before the WTC disaster. Huh? Not me.
rk: Read carefully the following excerpt from the unanimous Declaration of Independence of the thirteen United States of America, issued forth on July 4, 1776. As I see it, the document could well have been written today considering the acceleration of events which spell out doom for this Country in its present political form as a Representative Republic.
rk: We Americans are losing our guaranteed freedoms guaranteed us by our Constitution. If something is not done in a timely fashion, we shall soon lose our country and be assimilated into the New World Order.
rk: Are Americans substantially different in spirit from our Founding Fathers who understood the choice between Freemen and Slavery? Are you?
rk: It is time for some deep soul searching by each and every individual who reads the following excerpt. Then it is time for each to decide what kind of a world they want to leave to their children and their children's children. What do you/they wish for them -- Freedom or Slavery?
"WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great- Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.
rk: The spiritually sighted of today need go no further to see that the enemy of the modern day American People is their own Machiavellian Leadership. The American People are being sold by their leaders into slavery in the New World Order. Yet they remain as inert automatons waiting, waiting, waiting. But WAITING FOR WHAT???
ck: I guess what bothers me the most about America is the way we embrace things we know deep in our hearts are wrong: pornography, gambling, homosexuality, shacking up in out of wedlock marraiges, abortions, public nudity, drugs and alcohol, and leaving God out of our schools or government buildings. What's wrong with letting the Ten Commandments be posted at the entrances to schools or federal buildings? Nothing, unless your conscience is tweeked by the fact that you are being reminded that you are currently breaking yourself against them one by one.
rk: Is that not the very nature of incremental MIND CONTROL?
ck: I believe that when God made the physical world, He also made the spiritual world. That there are spiritual laws of cause and effect just like the physical law of cause and effect or action and reaction. We can't keep breaking ourselves against these spiritual laws and not expect something calamitus to happen. How high will the stack of sins get before God rises and punishes us? You can look at Isreal and read it's history to understand what God will do after he grants a time limit to the season of sin. God is gracious and loving, but he is our heavenly Father and he will punish us to make us better persons. He doesn't destroy like Satan does unless he is pushed into it.
rk: Sin is the prevailing contradiction which resides in the SATANIC (Opposer) directed dualistic Intellect. Hell exists nowhere but in the dualistic consciousness of conditioned "civilized human beings."
ck: By all accounts, the USA is a Christian nation. Christ declared that if we will repent, He will heal us and our land.
rk: But who amongst those reading this interchange understands the deep nature of REPENTANCE? Few indeed!
ck: Osama bin Ladon has declared war not so much against the USA as he has against the Jews and Christians and I think he is being used by God to punish the USA and whip us (literally) back into shape.
rk: He merely serves as the SATANIC counterpart to our SATANIC leadership. Both are mere puppets whose strings are pulled by the SATANIC International Elitists, Bankers, and Corporate Leaders. Between such players in the game of power, millions lose their lives. Even yet, THEY DO NOT WAKE UP TO THE TRUE CAUSE OF THEIR VICTIMIZATION.
ck: Maybe I am wrong. I am wrong so much, but I want to learn at the cost of being thought a fool for the mistakes I make along the path of learning.
rk: Right and Wrong are merely dualistic opposites. At the superficial level of the intellectually ruled (SATANIC) consciousness, one opposite cannot exist without the other. That is the source of all CONFUSION! Confusion exists nowhere but in the Intellect. Yet how many are aware of that?
ck: This is how I will know if I am right though: if America does repent and puts to an end of the abortions, pornography, gambling, and other grievious sins then God won't need bin Laden anymore and he will be dealt with.
rk: Bin Laden is regarded no different by his people than is George W. Bush by the American People -- 90%+ popularity rating indeed!! And yet Americans consider themselves to be Intelligent.
rk: President Bush is attempting to tie the American People into a 10 year commitment of WAR to fight Terrorism demanding that the American public relinquish their freedoms in return for the "feeling" of security -- and the mindless, gullible, suggestible, malleable SHEEPLE are buying it. First there was the WAR ON DRUGS. Now is being promoted though the media, a WAR ON TERRORISM. One can see how effective the WAR ON DRUGS was. Can the WAR ON TERRORISM be far behind?
rk: No, my fellow Americans, you are being had. America doesn't have 10 years of life left -- unless YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW!!!
ck: When Isreal was punished by invaders and Isreal repented, the invaders were destroyed, but Isreal remained. I hope to see the same happening to bin Laden and his followers because it meant the USA repented.
rk: Do not be seduced by such mystical explanations. WAR has nothing to do with MYSTICISM. War is of the utmost simplicity and brutality. It is a matter of LIFE and DEATH. The life and death of individuals, and the life and death of nations.
ck: When I look down the road of this new war for America, I see a convaluted mess that will bear down hard on the USA for years. It will drain us financially and morally.
rk: What do you mean drain us financially? America is already BANKRUPT! Our monetary system is all ILLUSION!
ck: We are just too spiritually weak to go into the world as a crusader against terrorists when we kill our own babies or make our bodies an abomination before God too easily. Something has to happen to make the European Union stronger than the USA and this war against terrorism might just be it.
rk: You're catching on!!
ck: Meanwhile, I'm keeping my guns loaded and knives razor sharp because when these terrorists start having their finances cut off by the FBI or CIA they will go into criminal activities like bank robbing or other violent crimes to finance their evil.
rk: Yep, just like the thousands who have recently been thrown out of their well-paying jobs with no options for the future. The SET UP is just about complete for the NEW WORLD ORDER takeover -- and yet, Americans slumber on!!
rk: For a peaceful resolution short of a bloody revolution, see my articles on BOYCOTT at: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
ck: I'll pray and fast for God's help, too. Actually, the first thing I prayed for was repentence from the heart. So, Ray, you see, not all Americans are that ignorant of their corruption. Some of us know we have sinned hard against God and want to repent and have God's protection once again. It's like a prayer I pray to God, "God, I have a good pistol and a sharp knife and the knowledge and nerve to use them in true self defense, but if you don't protect me, it's all just dead weight."
Calico Kai
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
So, let me make sure I understand...
Re: America's Fall From Grace! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:47:32 GMT
From: Bert (bert@chewonthis.com)
someone finally works up the nerve to attack Fortress America, and you don't think any changes are necessary? Well, Ray, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but there is a 'war' on, and if you can't see it, well for one thing, I'm not surprised, but additionally, it's too damn bad, because the maniacs didn't ask your permission, did they? NO! They did not, nor will they wait for paranoid loons like you to wake up to perpetrate their acts.
It's kind of sad, Ray, because you, one of the people that have for so long demonstrated this keen awareness of threats against freedom and liberty, seem so hell bent on preventing the folks back east from doing anything meaningful in the way of domestic reforms to protect and preserve it.
Face it ray, when you've got thieves and evildoers in the country, you've got trouble. And, what's worse, what we were doing before flat didn't do one single bit of good to keep em out, so maybe it's time to reevaluate the overall plan.
You're the big expert on the 'system' and background plots, it's kind of amazing actually that you had no inkling whatsoever that this kind of thing was afoot.
So, what's the next move, Ray? You seem fully against any further changing in police/ law enforcement policies and implementations, so let's hear it, big shot, how do you keep the baddies at bay, hmmm? I'm all ears, I'm sure the rest of the country is too....
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You're your only victim Ray
Re: America's Fall From Grace! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:29:44 GMT
From: Your own mental disease is killing you (unknown)
No one has victimized you except yourself Ray. Your own mental illness and paranoia has made you a deeply sick, abusive man who has so cut himself off from reality and humankind that he hates everything around him. I am sorry for you, but this has no bearing at all on the state of our nation. You need to take yourself out of your own self-indulgence, contribute something to society, and not think contantly only of your own selfish needs. Only then will you start to regain your mental health and balance.
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Fatal flaw here is YOU think you're God
Re: America's Fall From Grace! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:49:27 GMT
From: Your hatred runs too deep (unknown)
The last thing that does any good would be to mistake someone like you for the God people need in their lives. You are beyond sick and abusive, and mistaking you for any kind of leader, spiritual or otherwise, is suicidal. I notice you didn't mention this God delusion you've been nursing to the anonymous poster here. Your flaws run deep Ray, as do your hatred and malice. You have no light to shed on anything given the fact you are ripped apart in your hate for mankind.
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For your family's sake then!
Re: America's Fall From Grace! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:06:17 GMT
From: Agent sir ed (unknown) ------ ***Former Grants Pass Businessman Ed Wilkinson, formerly of Digital Arts, 880 NE 7th St., Grants Pass, OR 97526,(541) 479-8756, 1-800-446-8756. formerly of dgtlarts@cdsnet.net, (Agent Sir Ed) nope@nospam.com, agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com, former Arms Dealer, former self-professed Journalist, former Member of Oregon Republican Party Central Committee, also known as Mr. Ed, aka Sir Ed, aka Oregon Ed, aka Ray Kargoofy, aka (LIghtColonel Meepzorp-Bazza, SAIC), aka Raymond Karscrewloose, aka the generic "UNKNOWN," a regular and frequent poster on Town Square Forum, Klamath Falls Forum and APFN Patriot Forum: wrote: ***
arkook@arkookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) wrote in message news: (goofy stuff snipped)
> rk: Let's face it, "agent sir ed," your psych handlers are going to > make it look like you have taken the way out your father took before > they let you sit on the Federal witness stand and expose the > Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Mind Control/Disinformation > Internet operation to the American public and the world.
(yawn) Hey Kazoo, you're about as credible as Bill Klinton. I mean, you have yet to predict ONE single thing correctly in all the years you've been preaching your hysterical nonsense.
I mean, we're NOT under Martial Law. Your enemies are NOT behind bars. We're NOT under a UN Police State. The Internet has NOT been shut down by FEMA. Tanks are NOT rolling down every street in America. Everyone who has ever criticized you is NOT being rounded up and their property confiscated. Need I go on?
I thought not.
Ed
P.S. Kazoo...read your above words carefully. Savor their Vibratory Essence. Observe your mental instability calmly. Observe the hysterical imaginings, so distant and removed from reality.
Don't you think it's time you gave up your delusions and returned to Sanity? If not for your sake, then for your famiy's sake?
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Ray's good points
Re: America's Fall From Grace! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:07:20 GMT
From: Lou Minatti (unknown) BlueAce69 wrote:
> > In article (c0588d7a.0109242258.3cb8b7ee@posting.google.com), arkent@arkenterprises.com says... > > >rk: Let's face it, "agent sir ed," your psych handlers are going to > make it look like you have taken the way out your father took before > >they let you sit on the Federal witness stand and expose the > >Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Mind Control/Disinformation > Internet operation to the American public and the world.
Ray, you are one delusional, paranoid, sick f*ck. And those are his good points.
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You WERE fined you liar. You just didn't pay it
Re: America's Courts : Constitutional or Smoke and Mirrors (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:39:56 GMT
From: Absolute pure fraud as usual (unknown)
The fact you didn't pay means you don't have the minimum decency to take responsibility for your yourself and the fact you committed a crime against us here in Oregon. You can't go back to California for this same reason: arrest warrants are out on you for breaking the law, losing in court, and then running away instead of paying for your crimes. If you have further problems with the law I'm sure they'll start attaching assets to hold you responsible. You can save your lies for strangers who don't know you and your history: you lost, and are still running away from all your responsibilities.
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Tucking tail and running only shows what slime you are
Re: America's Courts : Constitutional or Smoke and Mirrors (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:46:17 GMT
From: You always flee doing what is right (unknown)
You've lived like a leech off our taxes for decades, demand alms on the Internet in addition to that, gamble away whatever little you get from the government, then commit crimes, lose in court, and run away from your financial responsibility to pay us back all the money you wasted with your asinine pseudo-legal type claptrap in court. All this proves is what kind of lowlife, parasitic, trailer park trash you are, and if you had any santiy left in you you'd be ashamed of yourself, instead of boasting about running desperately away from doing what is right.
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Vicious sadism has nothing to do with Christ
Re: Disinformation on the Internet (Was I WONDER IF???) (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:59:02 GMT
From: Your bad faith reeks (unknown)
You destroy lives Ray, you never save them. Your family history and the fact your kids will have nothing to do with you for decades attests to this basic fact. You cannot justify your vicious sadism by pretending you're saving people by abusing them. Your bad faith reeks.
The beast will be vanquished in the final battle. What is the beast? In Revelation, the beast had seven heads/kings or seven mountains/nations upon which sat the whore of Babylon. The beast is human nature rebelling against God. The whore is sensual self/gratification serving the spirits of greed, fear and shame.
These kings and their nations each dominate during a critical period in the history of the seed (people) of our Lord. Each king either protects or destroys that seed.
The first king or pharaoh was of Egypt. Egypt enslaved the seed and was destroyed. The seed was then released but did not germinate, as it should. Rebellion against Moses and the Lord ultimately denied a fully victorious outworking.
The second nation was Assyria(Syria). It defeated the rebellious seed of Israel, the northern kingdom, and spread the ten tribes all over Asia and beyond.
The third nation was Babylon. It destroyed the temple and defeated the corrupt seed of Judah.
The fourth nation was Persia/Iran under King Cyrus. Cyrus' minister was Hamon, the Amalekite. Amalek was the first nation after the Fall of man, eternal enemy of the seed and the Restoration of the Divine State. Hamon conspired to kill all the seed of Israel, the Jews. However, the righteous Mordecai and Queen Esther prevailed through King Cyrus, Esther's husband, and the seed was spared.
The fifth nation was Greece and they sought to defile the temple, but the seed, through Judah Maccabbee and his brothers, prevailed over them.
Then, we come to the time of our Lord Jesus and John the Revelator who wrote in Rev17:10 "And there were seven kings: five are fallen and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space". The sixth nation was Rome and Caesar's minister Pontious Pilot sought to murder the Lord of Love and Caesar finally destroyed the temple.
What is the seventh nation? Which nation dominates the world today and controls the fate of the seed? Initially, Hitler's Germany (modern-era Amalek) tried out for the part, killing millions of the seed but they did not conquer and "Amalek" failed its genocide again when the seventh nation and its allies defeated Germany.
The picture clarifies. Who rules man's world today? It is America. The AM(Hebrew = people) Rica(Latin = rich) or the "Rich People". Or, reorder the letters of AMERICA to read the "I AM" RACE. Like the nations before, America must choose its destiny. Will America serve a material or spiritual god?
Out of the seventh nation comes the eighth and final nation, the beast. We read in Rev 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition". Out of America and New York City comes the United Nations or UN-beast. The UN is not a nation but contains all the nations and dwells in the financial capital of the world (America's New York).
How will the UN handle the seed? The UN does not like the seed; they hate Zionism (the Mountain of God's Light). But America, the seventh nation, despite its faults, still shines light. America is deciding whom it shall serve. Will it become a police state serving self-centered kings and nations or honor the Truth? Will Americans and other people choose to serve Baal or The Lord?
This is the final battle between Mount Zion (The Mountain of God's Light) and Mount Megiddo (The hill of the good oil, self-gratification and rebellion against God). The battle of Armageddon is upon us.
The seed is not just a race of people as were the Children of Israel, but All People who love and serve The Lord. Perfect love casts out all fear. Be strong, my friends, for the time of Victory and Restoration is at hand, but we must choose to participate. Love Him with all and deliver His love to all people. These are His two commandments. As we represent Him in every thought, word and deed, so we glorify God. Return the kingdom to the True King.
The recent events of 9-11 was merely the deliberate stepping up of the fear factor in a mass mind by a Mind Controlling leadership bent on consolidating their present power base into an elitist controlled NEW WORLD ORDER.
So are the draconian legislative measures now being implemented in the aftermath of the attack. It is all designed to bring about the destruction of the Constitution based Representative Republic once known as the United States of America.
For the last six years I have been writing on the Internet about this issue of Mind Control. I have been writing about this assault upon our Inalienable Rights and Freedoms here in the United States. From the beginning I raised the attention and the wrath of the anonymous government/media mind controllers, actual Terrorists who intimidate, control and regulate the flow of information on these Internet newsgroups.
No other on the Internet has been subjected to the extreme level of continuous stalking, attack, libel, and misdirections by this organized group of Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Mind Controlling Disinformation Agents whose mission was simply to vilify and discredit a simple man of Truth -- a Christ.
Even so, they have failed. All they have proven is that Mind Control is possible only in the manipulative realm of the SATANIC driven Intellect. Such methods are impotent when applied to simple men/women of TRUTH -- Christs!
Millions have read the thousands of articles I have written, yet were unable or unwilling to grasp the meaning of what they were seeing. You may ask yourselves, how is that possible? The answer is simple. They have been systematically and incrementally conditioned to be UNAWARE and DESENSITIZED in consciousness, and therefore rendered impotent and easily controllable. They have been made to doubt themselves by a corps of misdirecting mind controllers able to play them like a violin.
Once their "tainted" MINDSET was installed, reinforced and tested (polling), these same readers could be made to watch the events of September 11th, 2001 *over and over again.* Observing the Terrorist Attack upon the World Trade Center in New York (while the visual horror of it is burned deeply into their suggestible consciousness), they could be made to feel the full range of extreme emotional distress through the medium of identification (thinking there but for the grace of God, go I). They could be primed for future responses, not unlike a "Manchurian Candidate." That, folks, is the making of a WAR MINDSET! Farfetched you say? FAR FROM IT!!
These conditioned and desensitized readers did not UNDERSTAND what they observing on that day any more than they understood my call on November 2nd, 1997 for an FBI Investigation into the Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Mind Control/Disinformation Campaign launched against "Unwary Users" of the Internet.
From that day (Nov. 2nd 1997) to the present, the results of that Internet mind control issue, which extends well beyond the shores of United States, has been STONE WALLED by the highest levels of our Goverment and Media. Not a public word has been leaked as to the outcome of the FBI's Investigative results, either on or off the Internet, notwithstanding the FBI's strawman response to Oregon Senator Ron Wyden in his part of the Coverup.
At present my writings are CENSORED, prevented from appearing on news, political, and patriot forums. Yet the attacks upon my reputation and forgeries in my name continue to appear on these same forums/newsgroups.
Let the reader attention be drawn to ALL article links marked with *** on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
Note the absence of evidence which would substantiate the multitude of libels found therein. NOT ONE shred of evidence capable of withstanding even a modicum of scrutiny has been offered by these cowardly anonymous disinformation agents in their long, unrelenting campaign to halt my writing on the Internet.
Make no mistake about it. This heretofore STONE WALLED Mind Control Investigation is capable of stopping the present momentum which shall determine whether the United States of America remains as a Representative Republic or merely a NEW WORLD ORDER satellite *plantation.*
Read the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html Observe how it was trashed by these Disinformation Agents in order to intimidate and dissuade serious petitioners. THEN SIGN IT!
LET'S TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM OUR TRAITOROUS LEADERSHIP!
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
"Millions" have not read you asinine posts
Re: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Your Disdain for Truth
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:05:04 GMT
From: Hysterical delusions of grandeur (unknown)
You really do live in a weird, psychotic little world if you think for a second that "millions" have any idea who you are. No one has read you except the few who check the relatively unfrequented sites you post to on the Internet. You've never published, you've never appeared on the mass media, and you are completely unknown outside a very small geographic area where you attack people regularly. Reality check Ray: you are an unemployed leech living off tax money for decades in rural Oregon. The only people who know who you are are here, and we are not millions.
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You must live a very sad, desperate life
Re: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Your Disdain for Truth
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:20:24 GMT
From: Psychiatric equivalent of vomiting blood (unknown)
Why do you want to live so wretchedly? You're obviously sick as all hell. Get to a psychiatrist man! There is no shame in getting medical help, any more than there is for going to the emergency room if you are vomiting blood. What you do on this forum is the psychic equivalent of throwing up buckets of blood: stop the hemorraging already, and get to a psychiatrist man. Your self-indulgence is killing you.
Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:15:18 -0700
RevLove" (revlove_SPAMETH_BALAAMS_ASS@beer.comt)
"Agent Sir Ed" (agent_sir_ed@hotmail.com) wrote in message news:145a5333.0109281720.6e191764@posting.google.com...
"Senor Chico" (chico@mci.net) wrote in message news:(1c147cb$8fa6efe0$cadd4dd8@compac-presario)...
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) (vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net) wrote in article 46m7rtkvu7ehvflgqrf91bu51ffvsbt9of@4ax.com)...
kook@kookenterprises.com (Raymond Kazoo) dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the following steaming pile:
(pathetic lies snipped)
rk: > > > > Millions have read the thousands of articles I have written, yet
vg: > > > Don't flatter yourself, FatBoy. Two or three thousand, at the very most, and half of those were just looking for your trademark kookisms, in order to poke fun at you. V.G.
sc: > > Is Ray still sitting in the quiet corner of the cafeteria with the other unpopular trolls?
ed: > He's self-destructing in the Kazoo Kompound on Finch Rd. in Kerby, Oregon, glowering with resentment that his enemies are still walking the streets!
rl: Yeah. Yet one thing about Ray I noticed that seemed good to me:
rl: Brother Raymond did not write anything derogatory about Glen Quarnstrom at or since his demise. No posthumous cruelty -- a thing which I had rather expected.
rl: What have we here? An oversight on RK's part (or mine for that matter)? A latent lambasting still waiting in the wings? Or a shred of basic decency still extant in Brother Ray?. I don't know, but I would hope it is the latter.
RevLove
rk: glen quarnstrom was dead even whilst he was alive. As his life was a non-event for me, so was his death.
rk: My relationship with an embittered wheelchair-bound old man was to merely pop the bubble of illusion which enveloped a spiritually and physically impaired entity, to MIRROR the human debris contained therein, and expose it for what it was.
rk: Death does not alter what one was in life except in the dead aftermoment, escapist, compensating, hypocritical minds of the Hell-bound. Change comes about only in the LIVING.
rk: An example of such hellbound tendencies can be found in the aggregate offerings of the four of you in this post. Reread the original article of this thread, then read the subsequent misdirecting nonresponses which have arisen in its wake.
rk: Together, four ignoramuses could not muster up a serious article among them which would offer something of value to this troubled world. Was not its purpose to misdirect public attention away from the serious original text via the medium of gossip and pandering to the basest of human traits?
rk: Does that clarify it for you?
rk: By the way, this is the first comment I have made either on or off the Internet regarding the death of disinformation agent glen quarnstrom. And as it can clearly be seen, it was initiated by someone other than myself.
rk: READERS: Look to the source of these endless misdirections which take your attention away from the serious content of my original posts. There the TRUE STORY of this Government/Media/ sponsored/supported Mind Control/Disinformation campaign upon Unwary users of the Internet shall be revealed to you!!
29 Sep 2001 21:26:14 GMT
"Rev. Tim" (timhill@newsguy.com)
th: Ray, you're joke. Nearly everyone who reads your crap laughs at you. The FBI laughs at you. Gov. Kitzhaber laughs at you. Senators Wyden and Smith laugh at you. Mayor Holzinger laughs at you. The Josephine County Sheriff's department laughs at you for a few minutes before remembering that you're insane and heavily armed.
rk: tim hill, I assure you, that before this comes to an end, YOU WILL NOT BE LAUGHING!
th: You're a crazy old man who will probably be forgotten about 3 minutes after you're dead unless, like Earl Curley, people are still laughing at you for years after your death. That's the best you can hope for. On the other hand, many of us will remember Glen fondly. He was a good man.
th: As for me, I quit laughing years ago when I figured out what a sick, evil, deluded, slimball you really are.
rk: It is LITTLE WONDER that you will miss your APOLOGIST/RETRACTION writer glen quarnstrom, by way of his death. He may be off the hook in this Federal Investigation, but you and the others are not!!
rk: tim hill, by the time this issue is finished, you will have plently of opportunity to brush up on your GROVELING!!
Remember this?:
7-9-97, 11:30 AM
Re: Karczewski Demands Apology
Ray Karczewski writes:
rk: I came upon the first of these three articles titled "Karczewski Demands Apology" archived in Deja News on this date, 7-9-97,8:46 AM. None of these posts have yet to reach my newsgroup server. No matter. There are a few things about what may be construed as an "apology" by the participants.
rk: To begin with, here are three e-mails written by one of the afab bullies, not quarnstrom. I'll not reveal his name because of server rules. (NOW IT CAN BE REVEALED, THE AUTHOR WAS TIM HILL 9-29-01 rk)
rk: He, however, posted these privately, knowing full well that I do not respond to these matters in any other way than publicly. Note the similarity in wording depicted in the e-mails as well as how quarnstrom has no qualms in using another man's words as his. Game players to the very end, these two. Note the difference of one day whereby quarnstrom's mimicking "apology" of July 2nd precedes the e-mail of another's words sent out ostensibly on July 3rd, 1997.
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July 3, 1997
th: I hereby formally, humbly, and abjectly apologize to Raymond Karczewski for using any line in my sig. file that might be construed as meaning that he is a liar.
th: I have removed any line that might be construed thusly from my signature file and will not use any such line in any future signature files.
th: I deny being involved in any collusion or conspiracy with any "bullies of afa-b" or any other person or persons to block Karczewski's posts from appearing on "this" or any other newsgroup or any other written or spoken forum.
th: I also firmly believe that the allegations made by Mr. Karczewski against Glen Quarnstrom are without merit. I cannot believe that Glen would ever act to block anyone's posts nor is he a pathological liar. If anything, Glen is one of the most honest people I have met on the net.
th: Please read my news group post in the Karczewski demands apology thread. Is it sufficient?
th: Did you have other demands? I don't seem to get all of your posts.
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In article (5pi614$3ud$1@news.cdsnet.net), arkent@cdsnet.net (Raymond Karczewski) wrote:
tim hill wrote:
th: Ray, the same apology was published in the ng. You got what you asked for, yet you still say you will sue. Perhaps you are creating my defense for me, because it would seem that your intention was to sue whether you recieved an apology or not.
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:13:22 GMT
tim hill wrote:
th: I have met your conditions, and I am avoiding you in the newsgroups. I am not harrassing you under any assumed names. I don't work that way. I have honored what I considered to be an honorable proposal.
th: Are you going to honor your part of it? Was it an honorable proposal? Are you honorable enough to answer a sincere question let alone abide by your part of the proposal?
th: This post is directed at you alone. It is not to be used as some sort of rhetorical device on the usenet.
rk: Note; This subject has recently adopted the practice of leaving no trace but for the original postings via directions to not archive his words in Deja News by the command X-No-Archive: yes
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Subject: Karczewski Demands Apology
From: geezer@nursing.home (Glen Quarnstrom)
Date: 1997/07/02
Raymond Karczewski has been making many allegations, demands, and threats in recent days. As background to this post, I have included some portions of various posts to me and others by Mr. Karczewski. These excerpts are presented without comment.
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Please read the following statement very carefully... (begin statement)
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July 2, 1997
gq: I hereby formally, humbly, and abjectly apologize to Raymond Karczewski for using the line "Ray Karczewski is a liar." in my signature file.
gq: I have removed this line from my signature file and will not use that line in any future signature files.
gq: I continue to emphatically deny being involved in any "...attempts by you and the other bullies to block my posts from appearing in this newsgroup." as asserted by Karczewski. I also specifically deny being involved in any collusion or conspiracy with any "bullies of afa-b" or any other person or persons to block Karczewski's posts from appearing on "this" or any other newsgroup or any other written or spoken forum.
gq: I also categorically deny the allegation by Karczewski that I am a "pathological liar".
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(end statement)
gq: I suspect that Mr. Karczewski will now preen, posture, and pontificate on his great "victory" over the "afa-b bullies" because of this post. A bigger man than Karczewski might be more gracious in this "victory." A better man might also take this occasion to withdraw the inflammatory remarks which led to this exchange, and to apologize for them.
gq: I guess we'll find out just how much of a Man Of Truth Ray really is, won't we?
--
glenq@cyberhighway.net
"afa-b's leading curmudgeon"
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Subject: Re: Karczewski Demands Apology
From: geezer@nursing.home (Glen Quarnstrom)
Date: 1997/07/06
ely@tiac.net (Eric) wrote:
bogart1@REMOVETHIS.earthlink.net (Dr. Tim) wrote:
gq: >>In article <33cfc4ca.10405245@news.cyberhighway.net>, address@sig wrote: Raymond Karczewski has been making many allegations, demands, and threats in recent days.
(snippage)
th: >> I deny being involved in any collusion or conspiracy with any "bullies of afa-b" or any other person or persons to block Karczewski's posts from appearing on "this" or any other newsgroup or any other written or spoken forum.
th: >>I also firmly believe that the allegations made by Mr. Karczewski against Glen Quarnstrom are without merit. I cannot believe that Glen would ever act to block anyone's posts nor is he a pathological liar. If anything, Glen is one of the most honest people I have met on the net.
Dr. Tim, BsD
>And just in the nick of time!!! July 4th noon is right around the corner. Funny, though, do you believe that, for one second, the judge in the case would have taken a liking to Ray when ray began telling him how the judge's life was ass-backwards and that guys like him were responsible for the hell of duality? Holy Crappola...please take the apology back, hurry!
gq: Why would I do that? That would make me as big a phony Mr. Karczewski. However, if you wish to place YOUR ass on the line, feel free to add "Ray Karczewski is a liar" to your sig line. Easy to sit on the sidelines and cheer the fighters, isn't it?
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glenq@cyberhighway.net
"afa-b's leading curmudgeon"
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Subject: Re: Karczewski Demands Apology
From: ely@tiac.net (Eric)
Date: 1997/07/03
bogart1@REMOVETHIS.earthlink.net (Dr. Tim) wrote:
In article (33cfc4ca.10405245@news.cyberhighway.net), address@sig wrote:
gq: >>Raymond Karczewski has been making many allegations, demands, and threats in recent days.
(snip)
gq: >> Mr. Karczewski apparently wants groveling. I can do groveling. My physical health is not up to defending any frivolous lawsuits, and, more to the point, I don't wish to waste the taxes of the citizens of Idaho or Oregon or any other jurisdiction with silly ego-tripping suits and countersuits. Besides, I'm really a nice, easygoing guy who has better things to do than tilt at this particular windmill.
th: >I concur. I'm saving my resources for Art Bell.
th: July 3, 1997
th: >I hereby formally, humbly, and abjectly apologize to Raymond Karczewski for >using any line in my sig. file that might be construed as meaning that he is a liar.
th: >I have removed any line that might be construed thusly from my signature file and will not use any such line in any future signature files.
th: > I deny being involved in any collusion or conspiracy with any "bullies of afa-b" or any other person or persons to block Karczewski's posts from appearing on "this" or any other newsgroup or any other written or spoken forum.
th: >I also firmly believe that the allegations made by Mr. Karczewski against Glen Quarnstrom are without merit. I cannot believe that Glen would ever act to block anyone's posts nor is he a pathological liar. If anything, Glen is one of the most honest people I have met on the net.
Dr. Tim, BsD
th: > One last thing remains unsettled. Raymond K., you an honorless fuck. You can't even show a bit of class when accepting an apology, therefore I withdraw it. Sue me you litigious asshole.
Subject: Re: Karczewski Demands Apology
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:08:34 GMT
bogart1@REMOVETHIS.earthlink.net (Dr. Tim) wrote:
rk: >>Note the similarity in wording depicted in the e-mails as well as how quarnstrom has no qualms in using another man's words as his.
th: >I wrote the apology. Everyone knows it. I posted it here. I used Quarnstrom's apology as a model. His words were original. Maybe you should not make accusations unless you are sure they are correct.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Archives: the afterlife of the insane.
Re: Disinformation Agent Tim Hill's (Lack of)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:34:47GMT
From: Purgatory for the purged. (unknown)
rk: I SEE!!
rk: As a cowardly anonymous disinformation agent compelled to twist everything regardless of what is said, is it your assertion that an offer of PROOF with ARCHIVED documented evidence is INSANE, and lacking such documentation makes one a LIAR?
rk: What you have just demonstrated to the "dumbed-down masses" is that Disinformation Agents can twist anything as long as it is confined to one-liners to accomodate the limited intellect of the IGNORAMUSES they pander to.
rk: See what I mean about BASSACKWARDS?!!
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Truly Despicable Creep
Re: A Christ's Constribution to History!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 15:23:44 GMT
From: Rev Love (unknown)
"Raymond Karczewski" (uranut@evilenterprises.com) wrote in message Glen Quarnstrom: "Debris on Wheels"!! ( Was: Re: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Your Disdain for Truth Shall Be the WEAPON of Your Own Destruction!)
rk: glen quarnstrom was dead even whilst he was alive.
rl: I just knew you had it in you Ray, you malicious bastard.. You had simply overlooked the matter, what with being wholly absorbed in your own gloat and bloat. In truth Glen was more alive than you will ever be.
rk: > As his life was a non-event for me, so was his death.
rl: Life itself is a non-event for you, ever eluding your destructive grasp. And it figures you'd feel just as you've written, for it is the nature of spiritual frauds to envy and hate persons of integrity and honest & stalwart character. Glen was no fraud, and was much brighter than you. And -- as a writer -- he was an order of magnitude your superior.
rk: > My relationship with an embittered wheelchair-bound old man was to merely pop the bubble of illusion which enveloped a spiritually and physically impaired entity, to MIRROR the human debris contained therein, and expose it for what it was.
rl: Pop that carbuncle you call a brain, Pus-Krist.
rk: > Death does not alter what one was in life except in the dead aftermoment, escapist, compensating, hypocritical minds of the Hell-bound. Change comes about only in the LIVING.
rl: Yeah. I suppose you are an expert in the "dead aftermoment" what with THAT being your residence. You are a despicable person, Kark. And you are a bit of a master of change too, always changing for the worse. In this you never fail to trump yourself.
rk: >An example of such hellbound tendencies can be found in the > aggregate offerings of the four of you in this post.
rl: Raymond, so utterly at odds with love and goodness as you are, I think we all know where you are headed, eschatologically speaking.
rk:> Reread the original article of this thread, then read the subsequent misdirecting > nonresponses which have arisen in its wake.
rl: "Arrogant dragon will have cause to repent." -- An apt description of yourself, ain't it?
rk: > Together, four ignoramuses could not muster up a serious article among them which would offer something of value to this troubled world.
rl: We've been through THIS before, jerk. I'll not post anything just to gratify your lust for control and idiotic domination.
rk: >Was not its purpose to misdirect public attention away from the serious original text via the medium of gossip and pandering to the basest of human traits?
rl: You have yet to write anything meaningful. It is well known who the spiritual bottom dweller and deceiver is Mr. bRay. Doo I need to send you a .gif of yourself?
rk: > Does that clarify it for you?
rl: I did not need it clarified for me that you a maximum creep. Ah but wait...perhaps I did. If you re-read what I wrote, you'll notice that I had a glimmer of hope for you -- but you went straight for your "human debris on wheels" defamation of a truly decent and, alas, deceased man.
rk: > By the way, this is the first comment I have made either on or off the Internet regarding the death of disinformation agent glen quarnstrom. And as it can clearly be seen, it was initiated by someone other than myself.
rl: Why don't you re-read what I wrote. Sh*t, I was fool enough to compliment you on have made a seeming change for the better.
rl: You both despicable and incorrigible.. Unless you turn from hate, I shudder to think of what awaits you R.K. Apart from that, I have no more time to waste on you.
rk: > READERS: Look to the source of these endless misdirections which take your attention away from the serious content of my original posts. There the TRUE STORY of this Government/Media/ sponsored/supported Mind Control/Disinformation campaign upon Unwary users of the Internet shall be revealed to you!!
rl: Nurse Nightingale, we must quickly sedate this man. He is scaring the children. > > Ray Karczewski is a True Creep
D.I. Agent #777
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after reading ray's "threads', convinced he posts his own
Re: Why, Mr. K, should we give a rip about any of this? (Hal)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:48:10 GMT
From: replies... (unknown)
bizarre really bizarre, but none of the forum regulars every seems to answer his postings...just an observation, but suddenly forum gets people who only seemed to be bizarrely interested in only ray ray's postings...really really...bizzare, a forum monologue of sorts...
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Where are the cops in all this??
Re: A Christ's Constribution to History!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:52:29 GMT
From: Ed (unknown)
arekook@arkenterprises.com (Raymond Karczewski) wrote in message
rk: > tim hill, by the time this issue is finished, you will have [plently] of opportunity to brush up on your GROVELING!!
This man is truly insane. He seethes with the sort of sick, vicious hatred that David Berkowitz, Ted Kaczinski, Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden have. I truly hope that the local law enforcment officials keep their eyes on him.
Ed
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Pretty damned malicious, even for you Ray
Re: Gl-n Qu-rnstr-m: "Debris on Wheels"!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:16:57 GMT
From: Glad to see you withering in rage (unknown)
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Shame on you, you vicious creep
Re: Gl-n Qu-rnstr-m: "Debris on Wheels"!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:13:05 GMT
From: You're crippled by hatred and disease (unknown)
Who's the one crippled by hatred and disease? Not the deceased, either before death in his chair, or after, in his grave. Only you Ray. You are infinitely corrupt attacking the dead and the handicapped.
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Your family should be prosecuted
Re: A Christ's Constribution to History!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:53:40 GMT
From: Criminal negligence (unknown)
Especially Anita. For them to stand by and do nothing, not a goddamned thing, while you degenerate into a raging, festering sore of a psyche is beyond all belief and decency. They must be even lower than you on the evolutonary scale, since you are obviously too damned gone to reality and ethics to realize how sick you are. They, however, are another case. They are wholly responsible for your current state of psychosis and hate, and they should be prosecuted for criminal negligence in failing to get you the medical attention are you virtually screaming for.
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Problem is
Re: A Christ's Constribution to History!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:12:53 GMT
From: You've devoted your life to rage & hate (unknown)
You've been claiming the government is going to intern the populace in "FEMA concentration camps" and suspend the Constitutional under martial law for many, many years now. Your rantings have no more weight than they ever did -- which is to say no weight at all. You can repeat these same asinine, paranoid claims until the day you drop dead, and they still won't be reality. I feel sorry for you in a way. But not really. You will your own hatred and disease, and pity is wasted on someone who devotes his life to rage and hate.