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rk: Now that America is entering war, the disruption of the Internet Newsgroups by Government/Media, Sponsored/Supported Disinformation Agents is picking up momentum in their attempt to stifle and/or silence free speech on the Internet.
rk: Read below, see for yourself.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Sane Oregonian
Rehash: you just want people to start shooting
Mon Sep 17 15:10:53 2001
so: Ray, give it up already. All you're saying here is the same crap you've been spamming for many years: arm yourself, take to the streets, and if anyone questions your use of a gun any way you feel you want to, let him have it as a exercise of your constitutional rights. Your personal experience with mental health and police authority is extremely limited only to you, who have a long history of mental disturbance and problems with the law. Only you have this bitter resentment against both because you of your refusal to act in an adult, sane way and get the medical attention you desperately need. People reflexively arming themselves and engaging in hysterical anarchy in the streets is not an adult way to handle any problem, especially now. Your proposition has therefore always been rejected for the rantings of a madman, as is just. Don't use the massacre of last week as a pretext to further your personal desire to incite public violence.
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` Mirror of Truth
Come on Ray!
What about the casinos?
Mon Sep 17 15:47:00 2001
unk: Your attempt to conveniently edit out stuff you've admitted in the past is remarkable, given you demanded everyone come here to see how the Nazis were abusing you. Your gambling history is well-known from your posts, and you lost whatever money you had after being forcibly retired from your brief stint as a small-town cop. You also demand the state pay all your medical expenses besides your home and food, and rail if you don't receive enough tax money for these purposes. Never mind you refuse to pay any taxes/contribute anything to society here. Why post this information, then turn around and deny it? Just don't post it to begin with!
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Ed
Just can't bring yourself to tell the full truth
Mon Sep 17 15:18:54 2001
rk: > Anita and I live comfortably in our retirement years. All of our needs are met. We want for nothing.
ed: Of course not, Kazoo...you're a tax leech.
rk: ed, that libel's gonna bite you!
ed: You basically haven't done a lick of work in decades, living off the taxpayers due to a supposed "back injury" when you were in your thirties.
ed: Now, other people would have learned a skill, (besides habitual gambling) and gone on to a different profession, but not you. You just coasted into a life of Riley while feeding on the taxpayer teat. Yuck.
rk: On http://www.arkenterprises.com/raypi.jpg you will find the evidence which collapses your libelous tale. After my years as a Sergeant with the Pacifica Police Department in the San Francisco Bay Area, I owned and operated a Private Security/Investigation for twelve years. It was when my family grew up and were on their own that Anita and I retired and left California.
ed: One can well imagine what that's done to your self-esteem. To have spent so many years not earning your own keep, not to mention what it did to your family's respect (and lack of same) for you, has to have driven you crazy, (which, I imagine, is why you believe yourself to be Jesus Christ and The MIRROR of TRVTH).
ed: it's the same thing that's as what's happening in England. There's literally hundreds of thousands of non-productive welfare louts, who inhabit public housing (or squat, as Kazoo seems to be doing)and have no skills whatsoever, no character whatsoever, and they are just burning with hatred, seething with resentment at their plight, and they hate the nation they're living in, as does the Kazoo. They ignore all the laws, as does Kazoo, and if they don't wake up, it'll eventually destroy their country.
sad.
Ed
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Sane Oregonian
There you go again: just shoot them down???
Mon Sep 17 15:15:17 2001
so: Ray, your mental illness is screaming through again. Shooting anyone who disagrees with or does not like you is not the answer to anything. Anyone as sick as you are should not have guns for this reason: you cannot be trusted to THINK your way through your own problems. Again, don't use this national emergency as a flimsy pretext for justifying your own penchant for thoughtless violence. That is beneath contempt.
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Anonymous
There have been no military strikes either
Mon Sep 17 14:57:49 2001
a: One hallmark of war is the use of military strikes against an enemy. You're correct: Vietnam was carried on without declaration by Congress. But there were extensive military strikes in Vietnam and Cambodia over the course of years, and this has emphatically not happened in this case. I therefore agree: we are not at war...not yet anyway. Anyway, Ray's apocalyptic screeds do nothing to help anything: he just has a bad, stupid history of declaring apocalypse at the drop of a hat. Just a couple of weeks ago he insisted we were all -- all American civilians -- taking up arms and going into the streest to slaughter one another in a civil war. He's now using the events of last week, which by the way, he claims were "empty illusions," to try and convince people he's some sort of prophet. It's always the same schtick with Ray.
rk: Now all you have to do is produce any evidence of such Civil War Statements made by me. I HAVE NEVER MADE SUCH STATEMENTS!
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Townsquare
You don't know Ray.
Mon Sep 17 14:19:35 2001
ts: bert is a regular on Townsquare, and knows Ray's history inside out. bert is the last person I'd attack, knowing the parties in question.
rk: So why not identify yourself and bert by name? Then we can all go on from there. Betcha won't do it!!
ts: FYI: Ray's history of lying is absolutely well-documented on Townsquare.
rk: Claiming documentation is not the same as providing documentation. Isn't that the ingredient missing in all of these libels you cowardly anonymous disinformation agents throw out so indiscriminately on these newsgroups/forums?
ts: There have been several inquiries made about him due to his threats here,
rk: So, show the threats. Not in your words, but in MY WORDS. You won't find any threats because I haven't threatened anybody. I promised a few people federal prosecution but THREATS -- NEVER!!
ts: and not one thing he's ever claimed about his past has turned out to be true (e.g., his work history, his family history, his education, his claims about heing an international celebrity written up in 8 volumes of Who's Who: absolutely all of this has been disproved in documented form,
rk: Your deceptions are running amok. Why not specify what was said, not your manufactured deceptions of what was said? Again, DOCUMENTATION, DOCUMENTATION, DOCUMENTATION!!
ts: and by no less than the organizations he claims to have worked with).
rk: All you have to do now is share such DOCUMENTATION of your claims with readers of this group. Rather difficult when it doesn't exist, eh?
ts: That's why he has to spam other boards: the people who actually know him know that nothing he says about himself ever turns out to be accurate, so he has to fish for disciples elsewhere. His obsession with "disinformation" is purest projection. You just have no knowledge of the man. We do.
rk: So who are these cowardly anonymous people who cringe and cower in the shadows and yet claim to know me personally? Surely even the casual reader would spot the obvious -- That I would have nothing to do with such depraved and spiritually bereft individuals.
rk: Ask yourselves, What is their motive? Why are they not specific in their libelous claims about me? Why do they refuse to identify themselves or, for that matter, reveal their connections to Media, the Intelligence Community, and Government?
rk: Pay attention, folks. It could just as well be you that they target next.
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Concerned in Cave Junction
Ray wants no checks, no responsibility at all though
Mon Sep 17 16:56:45 2001
Are you really prepared to have guys like Ray armed to the teeth and off on some weird psychotic New World Order mind control fantasy? I don't. I live near him, and he's already damned dangerous.
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Sane Oregonian
WELL REGULATED are the operative words
Mon Sep 17 16:50:10 2001
so: A well-regulated militia is one thing, and I have nothing against that. Ray, however, just advocates violence in the streets, and has been doing so for about 6 years: every man pitted against every other, and no logic, maturity, or thought at all. That's the danger. Madmen shouldn't have guns: they can't be trusted to use them wisely and sparingly. Hence his repeated problems with mental health authorities and the law.
rk: ". . .repeated problems with mental health authorities and the law. . ." eh? It is my BALANCE which DISTURBS and MIRRORS the LEGION OF unbalanced, seething, malicious, dark spirited anonymous cowards such as yourself. I've never been examined or treated for mental illness in my entire life.
rk: As to the law, I PERSONALLY DO NOT RECOGNIZE NOR OBEY UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS administered by COURTS which have NO JURISDICTION over matters beyond the limited confines of Contract/Admiralty/Maritime law!
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You lie. You abused your kids & they left you
Re:Govt/Media Disinformation Tactics: Pay Attention America (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:09:38 GMT
From: Mirror of Truth (unknown)
rk: It was when my family grew up and were on their own that Anita and I retired and left California.
You lie: you abused your kids and destroyed your family. Your kids ran away at very, very early ages (meny years before legal majority)and have nothing to do with either you or Anita because of your abuse. You lie.
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You want their names to hunt them down?
Re: Govt/Media Disinformation Tactics: Pay Attention America (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:12:37 GMT
From: Check that sickness Ray (unknown) After all the threats you posted here just a few days ago you're still demanding names and addresses of posters you don't like? Get real! Better yet, get sane! You're getting sicker by the day.
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Your history's an open book
Re:Govt/Media Disinformation Tactics: Pay Attention America (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:18:28 GMT
From: You're your own eternal victim (unknown)
You forget Ray: you obsessively spam every detail here several times a day. Do you have AMNESIA or something????? You run off at the mouth constantly, don't even realize wthe amazing garbage you tell people, then when called on it later desperately deny it when the facts no longer suit your purposes. And the fact you've got edited/invented material on your egofest website is hardly evidence! Not one damned thing there is admissible in court! Nothing but your delusions of godhood, victimhood, and persecution.
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Where's YOUR documentation?
Re: Govt/Media Disinformation Tactics: Pay Attention America (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:23:21 GMT
From: Put up or shut up already KOOOOOOOK (unknown)
Over the past 6 years people have asked you constantly for documentation of your fantasies of being persecuted by a massive, global AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROBOT/media/government/New World Order/controlled/inspired/funded/instigated/manipulated (etc., etc., etc.)plot against you. You never came up with jack, and ignored every damn question put to you about PROOF supporting your asinine accusations. So you can jam this sanctimonious screed Ray: put up or shut up you KOOOOOOOOOOOOOK.
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Soutner Oregonian
I wolnd't brag about refusing psychiatric treatment
Mon Sep 17 23:24:03 2001
These people can ask Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith just how crazy you are, if they REALLY want to hear THAT long saga of dementia and harassment. Both know your history quite well.
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Monkey
Ray's stuff
Tue Sep 18 08:36:28 2001
Gaelwolf,
I stopped reading ray's rantings some time ago. I can't see us wasting board space on this guy, and I think we should treat his posts like unwanted pop-ups. Then he will stop.
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Sorry Ray: you were a broken man years ago
Re: Klamath Falls is Kaput ---UNLESS!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:20:25 GMT
From: Clear obsessive-compulsive disorder (unknown)
Your obsession with this delusional global "media/government plot" against you is the first and foremost sign you completely broke years ago. The fact you're too blind to understand this basic fact is a testimony to the thoroughness of your intellectual and emotional incapacity. You're utterly stuck in the same stupid pattern of self-destructive behavior, and you just can't lift yourself out of your own mental disease. I agree though: you broke yourself. No one did anything to you at all.
If you folks in Klamath Falls are paying attention, you are learning how government can insert provocateurs into any group and raise havoc until all well-intentioned participants become worn out and ready to capitulate because they lack spiritual stamina.
You folks lost it when you did not remove the Federal Marshals from the headgates and take sole possession of the property. You had it within your grasp, then you gave it up when your attention was diverted by the horrific events in New York. Have you not heard the one about "divide and conquer?"
Your group is now hopelessly infected with lack of resolve. The infection has taken its toll. You have lost your solidarity. Your issue is moot, especially now that Martial Law will soon be declared, the Constitution will be suspended, and the only rule will be the rule of force by those who have the guns. That is, of course, unless AMERICA WAKES UP and learns what you folks failed to learn. You folks had your chance to lead America in restoring its Constitutional Government and recapturing your freedom from an everincreasingly encroaching tyrannical government. YOU BLEW IT!!
The reason I am getting so much heat in your group/forum is twofold.
1. These anonymous cowards are trying to impress you that no one can stand up to their attacks and intimidation.
2. These spineless wimps can create a campaign of endless obfuscation and gossip appealing to the baser nature of the average reader by holding the reader's attention in a controllable and manipulable psychological parameter, not unlike the O.J. Simpson trial, the Monica Lewinsky fiasco and the Elian Gonzales affair. Once in place, they milk it for all it's worth. All this does is keep public attention off the government while our elected leaders bring us into War, a war which will not only affect us, but also generations to come.
You see, government/media has long known that it does not take much to mitigate any energy arising from inert spectators, especially those who are unable to see the BIG PICTURE.
In the case of "cowardly disinformation yahoos vs Raymond Karczewski" the unforseen problem these dark wordmongers have stumbled over is that they have picked on the wrong guy; one who does not capitulate to pressures that the average "politically correct-thinking" person cannot cope with. That is why these shadow dwelling disinformation provocateurs use so many aliases. They are teaching you folks a lesson in surrender to intimidation, but for what and to whom are you to sell your soul? Look at their words. Look at their demeanor. What do they have to offer you? Hell, the whole lot of them could not break one man.
That exception to the rule destroys the rule, doesn't it? Extrapolate that to millions of Americans standing their ground, holding their government accountable, and you tell me who will be standing when the dust settles?
Since past posts have already been removed by the forum moderator, there is no way to check them to see how many of your group they have coopted by showing Ray Karczewski is not like the rest of your group in speech and thought, and therefore he must be a kook, mentally unstable, and/or dangerous.
You folks have shown that you are easily manipulated by such mind control tactics. Now it's time for you to look at the decisions you folks have made along the way in view of the highly-charged emotional turmoil in which such decisions were made. They do tell their story, don't they? This observation comes from one who did not need to be present during the Klamath Falls petty wranglings to see the "writing on the wall."
For a brief moment you had victory in your hands. Once you had it, you showed that you didn't know HOW TO KEEP IT!
It was all downhill from there.
Hope you've learned a lesson.
rk: The following post appeared on the Klamath Falls Forum http://disc.server.com/Indices/153941.html on Tuesday, Sept 18th, 2001.
rk: Did APFN actually throw out the "baby with the bathwater?" Or now that Americans are being primed into a WAR mindset against a not yet announced phantom enemy, are Government/Media Sponsored/Supported mind controlling Disinformation Agents picking up momentum in their mission of creating confusion, disruption, divisions and sowing strife on this the last bastion of Free Speech, the Internet Newsgroups/forums?
rk: Ask yourselves, who is responsible for this -- the Government, the Patriot leadership, or BOTH?!!
rk: By the way, my wife Anita was invited by the moderator of a YAHOO moderated forum, then refused when she accepted his invitation. Curious, is it not?
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My Fellow Americans, Our President says that We are at War. But with Whom? He has not sought to share that little detail with the American Public.
Are any of you reading this ready to support the killing of thousands, perhaps millions, of innocents under the cloud of such vagueness? I AM NOT!
I wrote the two following essays "Illusion of the Elite" and "The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth" in 1993. Read both messages quietly. Let their essence speak to you. Your life, the life of your family, and the future of our country depends on it. Make no mistake about that.
Be not swayed by the empty rhetoric of exploitive experts, for it is such experts who are responsible for leading us into war.
In Truth, You are responsible for your life, not some expert who has succeeded in making you doubt yourself.
Since our leaders cannot tell us who the enemy is, do what you must to protect yourself and your family from harm.
At last notice, our U.S. Constitution is still in effect. The second Amendment gives each of us the right to bear arms. It was written for exactly the reason found in the unfolding events of the day.
The President says we are at War. Are such statements merely political rhetoric or can we trust our President's words.
Each of us has a right to arm ourselves. To not do so leaves one at the mercy of those who have the guns -- be it foreign enemies, their armies, our armies, our law enforcement agencies, our domestic criminals. Don't let yourself get caught in the middle of a firefight where everyone has a gun but you. For those with such shortsightedness, history has shown that all that awaits those trapped in the middle of a war without a gun or some other means to protect themselves are the boxcars and the showers. Yet it appears that Americans are loathe to learn such historical lessons.
No need to organize into militias, for that just adds another variable to the confusion of determining who America's real enemy is.
Let every able-bodied man and woman arm themselves and be prepared to protect themselves. Let this be the first country in the history of mankind where a war was given but nobody came because all citizens were armed. Let this country become a sea of armed citizens that no fragmented enemy, regardless of its size, could hope to defeat. Pull the rug out from under the scheming elitists, the experts, the politicians who would lead us into, and profit from such war. Do not shrink from war. Just change the rules. It is all a matter of numbers, is it not?
Arm yourselves, after all this country is on the fast track to World War III. Defend your Constitution based government from all enemies, foreign and domestic. When another seeks to disarm you in a *time of war,* you'll not need anyone to tell you who the REAL enemy is.
On this day, Sept. 18, 2001, I have strapped on my 357 magnum and have gone about my daily business. Here in Cave Junction, Oregon there has been little attention given to such an act. Perhaps my Brothers and Sisters are indeed awakening to their own responsibility.
For those who have the eyes, LET THEM SEE!
Since the beginning of civilized history, man has been subject to the rulemakers, the few, who seek to rule the many. Without the combined energy of the many, the few would not be able to rule. Money, through the medium of taxes and tithing, is that energy. Any reasonably intelligent person can see that this approach to governing human existence has failed. Our present civilized world is a glaring testimony to its failure. We, as supposedly intelligent human beings, have yet to learn these valuable lessons of history.
We, each of us who find ourselves living in today's society, are controlled by the multinational elitists, the world banking systems, and the government/corporate structure, through the money that is extracted from our wages, even before we receive our pay. We find that we have no control over how the money is spent or misspent, as the case may be. Would we have wars if there was no profit in it for those who benefit from war?
This pattern of governing cannot be changed gradually. It must come to an abrupt end. Only then can a new beginning take place.
If several million people acting independently, not in concert (for groups can be controlled through their leadership), were to take control of their own money by renegotiating their employment contract with their employers to receive their full day's pay for a full day's work, then allocated how that money was to be spent—for the homeless, the hungry, diseased, and impoverished—our present civilized world would crumble overnight.
This is the true meaning of the Second Coming of Christ. Intelligence and cooperation would replace fear and violence amongst the common man. Those who so chose to live by the sword would indeed perish by the sword, and the meek would inherit the earth.
Are you guided by common sense, or are you ruled by the concepts and ideas of your mind? Ideas you say? Are they of the left or of the right? Do you add a twist of judgment of right or wrong to them, splitting yourself further from others who share similar thoughts?
Does an expert nearby, speaking a peculiar jargon you're unable to understand, promise to solve your problems for a fee? Does fear make him your authority, your lifeline? Are you addicted to relying upon him and other experts to do your personal problem solving for you?
Do you not see the expert or authority has a vested interest in creating problems for him to solve; for without problems, or should your money run out, wouldn't he be out of a job?
Does authority impose more and more conditions upon you, while taking away your space, your freedom? Doesn't this induce rage, fear, and helplessness in you? Congratulations, you've just discovered that you're under the influence of mind control. No, that can't happen to you. Somebody else, but not you.
Since the beginning of civilization, this scenario has been played out and ultimately brings down the culture. We are entering a crisis of consciousness, not only in this country, but throughout the world. This crisis of thought has already brought about wide-spread killing over ideas. In the animal kingdom, only man will kill another over an idea. He will turn on his neighbor and even his own brother over his blind belief in the twisted concepts that rule him. What part are you going to play in all of this? Will you be the blind being led by the blind, to take up the sword only to die by the sword? Then do what you will. For what is absolutely certain is that only the meek, who have retained their common sense, shall inherit the earth.
Christs with Amnesia
Raymond Karczewski
Copyright © 1995 by Raymond Karczewski All rights reserved.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Ray, You are SOOOOOOO crazy
Re: Hi, Ray...would you believe it? The Government (is too busy to hound you just now.)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:08:35 GMT
From: You're the center of existence all right (unknown)
I can't believe you think that with everything that's going on right now, and the mad hunt to find out who perpetrated the attacks in New York and Washington, that you and your wife really believe you're so damned important they'd set that vital work aside to post nasty little posts about you. What a couple of psychotic narcissists!! Get a life for God's sake! Your'e scarcely the center of existence! And by the way, yes. I do believe if your wife was invited to join the forum that it was an automated invitation which was rescinded once he realized what happened. Why would they close the board because of you then invite you to shut another one down?
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...and the county sheriff will inherit your pistol...
Re: The Illusion of the Elite/The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:26:37 GMT
From: Bert (bert@crazynotstupid.com)
...if you're stupid enough to go waving it around. There are in fact new ordinances against where and when you can 'pack', even in open carry. No, Ray, what america needs most is for you, and many others, to engage in a true battle of wits with these new destroyers.
You said you did police work. Well, how about doing some more? What's the M.O., whodunit? Let's investigate, turn up real answers, find out what the hey's really going on here.
I know you're not a complete loon, you appear to be able to operate a computer, and until recently a car, maybe you could like, get it together, and start reading, and see if you might be able to figure out who jumped the U.S. Protect and Serve, Ray, Uncle Sam needs you. Put on your thinking cap, and be helpful for a change...
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What is simple-minded is always stultifying
Re: That "rhetoric" made me sleepy!
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:16:20 GMT
From: Ray can't see the forest for the trees (unknown)
As always, Ray's hysteria is at once overwrought and so simple-minded and reactionary as to mean nothing. He has again tried to reduce something very complicated to such simplified terms so as to understand it that he has failed to see what is at issue. I can't imagine someone like Ray could be made to understand the complexity of this situation though, so it's not worth the trouble to even try to explain it. If it were not for the fact he is running around armed and apparently on the point of using the weapons against his neighbors, this would be just another stupid Karczewski joke. It has no value for thinking adults dealing with the crisis though, except insofar as he might finally just strafe people around him down as he's been threatening to do for years.
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Your vain cowardly bragging and advertisements
Re: The Illusion of the Elite/The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:14:54 GMT
From: Your words are worthless COWARD (unknown)
Shove it Ray. No wonder you're not welcome anyweher. Not only are you psychotic, and your words worthless, but now you're running around armed. Have you told the police this, or are you just bragging to strangers in cyberspace? The latter I'm sure. ? You still afraid of the police, and are runing away as usual. Tell Sheriff Dave, or are you still running away from him? COWARD.
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You're not a fellow American
Re: The Illusion of the Elite/The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:07:28 GMT
From: You are a parasite on society (unknown)
You are a leech, and do not deserve any of the rights and privileges of a true, responsible, adult citizen. Makes me wonder why you never matured past the intellectual age of 12. Hope they bust you and lock you up for running around insane and armed.
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A challenge to your empty boasting
Re: The Illusion of the Elite/The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:09:04 GMT
From: You got no stones at all (unknown) Forward this message to the police in Cave Junction. I know you don't have the stones to do it. You are a worm.
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Thanks for the laugh
Re: The Illusion of the Elite/The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:08:12 GMT
From: No need to worry about theft! (unknown)
The way you "copyright" this crap is truly comic Ray. Do you think for a second anyone would actually take this garbage and put their name to it? You are completely lost to reality. Your words are safe man: no one else would take the blame for such mindless, stupid crap as this.
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Screaming kooks have no right to carry guns
Re: The Illusion of the Elite/TheMeek Shall Inherit the Earth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:39:41GMT
From: You need to be locked up (unknown)
A raving lunatic like you has no business carrying a gun around. Be ashamed of your sickening display of self-indulgence and fear.
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Quite a Christ complex you got going there
Re: The Illusion of the Elite/The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:08:02 GMT
From: So far from Christ you're a joke though (unknown)
Try the humility part sometime. Your arrogance, ignorance, and bombast are like jackhammers.
rk: I received this email this morning, Sept. 19th, 2001. Read it and see whether it or not it is our U.S. Congress who is declaring WAR on the American People.
Delivered-To: w1113-arkent@arkenterprises.com
To: (arkent@arkenterprises.com)
Subject: support of the second ammendment
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:35:40 -0500
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200
Sorry, you dont know me. I got your address off the Oergon Live Board and figured you could help with this problem. http://www.senate.gov/senators/index.cfm This site list all US Senators. I'm writing all pro second people because:
As you might remember during the clinton years there was a bill intoduced that all military equipment owned by civilians will be demilled,well this bill fizzled out,now Senator Levin in Michigan has attached this bill to a emegency spending bill for the disater in New York and Washington, this means that any peice of military equipment tents to canteens and weapons that the military used will be demilled at the owners cost, It goes to the Senate this Thursday and in the Senate the bill will pass because its attached to the emergency spending bill. Anyone that has any more info on this please inform us and let us know who to contact to get this attachment taken off.
I just heard this tonite on our ham radio net and we are a group of guys that collect military equipment,,we could lose anything that is painted green and surplus military equipment,,even our guns,,heads up,
Please pass this on to pro Second Ammendment people you know,
When Christ Speaks --- Who Listens?
America, that is NOT a rhetorical question. What has happened to your people that they have allowed you to have fallen so far and so quickly in eyes of the world?
Why did your people allow themselves to go from the most powerful and productive nation to the present confused, bickering, ignominious, bigoted, warmongering bully that it is now? What is it that has allowed your people to collectively sell their souls to the Satanic few who have incrementally stripped them of their substance, their humanity, their memory of a once held-high "Golden Rule"?
America, your people today are the "Living Dead", empty shells -- all appearance but no substance. All Show and No Go! Your people still manage to dress well. They still manage to drive nice cars. They live in expensive homes. They eat well, no sign of mass starvation (yet!).
They've enjoyed the highest standard of life on this planet; and yet, if they could face themselves in the Mirror of Truth, they would have to admit to themselves their own personal bankruptcy.
Yes, they are indeed bankrupt, both spiritually and financially. Your people have allowed you to become a debtor Nation, in hock to the World Bankers for the illusory, fictitious National Debt conjured up out of NOTHING by these Satanic Financial Alchemists! Hell, even the Christ, Jesus of Nazareth had the good sense to drive the Money Changers OUT in His time. Can America do less?
Your people have lost their balance, their spiritual grounding. They have lost their way, their direction, their stability. They are now the blind being led by their equally blind leadership. They cannot see their way to balance, for that fine line of spiritual wholeness has been conditioned out of them through life-long, unrelenting, incremental Government and Media programs of Mind Control.
All this has stripped away their former strength, their collective resolve, their heretofore undaunted spirit. They find themselves stumbling about in their blindness, more often than not into an acceptable societal mindset that can only be termed "Politically/Religiously Correct" INSANITY.
They seethe, they resent, they spew bigotry, they hate, they are quick to go to war and annihilate whole peoples without even knowing who the real enemy of their country is. They, like mindless drones, respond to empty rhetoric of politicians. They are ready to send their sons to war, to die on foreign soil, leaving their own homeland open to attack from UN forces.
These forces are already on our soil chomping at the bit to get on with the TAKEOVER AND SUBJUGATION OF AMERICA.
When your people fall for that ploy, the wimper of once free men transformed into vassals to their new world order feudal masters will be the Death Rattle of AMERICA.
The Christ (a man of Truth) has just told you who the real enemy of AMERICA is. Now with that stark TRUTH facing you, WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT IT?
Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:15:35 -0500 (CDT)
treehuggr@webtv.net (s k) wrote:
arkent@internetcds.com (Raymond Karczewski) wrote:
th: Hello,I read your message on the forum. I can't even tell you how much your words speak the truth about what is happening. I live in Nebraska now, but did live in Klamath Falls, when those issues were just beginning to arise. Like you, I am afraid that it is too late for Americans to wake up and see what is REALLY happening!! I have told people around here the same things you are saying and all they say is that people like me are Nuts!!
rk: What else can be expected from those who must rationalize their long term conditioned unawareness, ignorance, and impotence? All that is left for such individuals is their silly political posturing, their sing-song performance to the choir, and their ultimate face-saving attempt to retain the illusion of dignity prior to their capitulation to Government Bureacracies which have played them like a violin.
th: While we are lingering on the so called tragedy of Tuesday, our mindset is exactly the way they want us to be.
rk: Precisely, but I would ask you, treehuggr, how many people do you personally know who would have spotted the obvious as you have done? No, "th", I am afraid our blind brothers and sisters are still too conditioned toward seeking the answers in the dualistic arena of the complex when the simple solution is right under their noses.
th: But what do you do when noone will listen to you and they all are falling for the New World ORders plan for taking us over and making us drones?
28 year old female from NE
rk: Those who will not listen have already sealed their fate. There is not much you can do for them. They shall go the way of the lemmings.
rk: In a dualistic Hell on earth, there are two (2) basic types of Human beings.
1. Those who live by the sword and who shall perish by the sword.
and
2. The Meek who shall inherit the Earth.
rk: Meditate! Ponder the essence of the two statements. Let them tell you their story. However DO NOT confuse MEEKNESS with WEAKNESS.
rk: Following are examples of the "Meek" and the "sword wielders." Do not think it through. Just open your eyes and SEE that which blind Intellect SHALL NEVER SEE!
rk: It is that Spiritual Sight which shall allow the Meek to Inherit the earth.
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Federal Court Upholds Anonymous Speech on Internet
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:38:57 GMT
From: Read it and weep Raymonoid (unknown)
http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/2TheMart_case/20010420_eff_2themart_pr.html
rk: A whole other Kettle of Fish!
rk: I suggest you reread the case.
rk: I suspect you missed the courts cogent comment: "Anonymity should be preserved unless the identity of the anonymous person is clearly shown to be of central importance to the case." Ignorance does not serve you well, does it, oh cowardly anonymous one?
rk: Although the court did speak to the issue of one offering anonymous opinions and subsequently determined to not be a party to the Lawsuit, nowhere does it allow for the libeling and/or prolonged organized campaign of conspiracy to libel another.
rk: That's a whole other kettle of fish, is it not?
rk: I read it, and I am not weeping!!
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How we know you are not Christ
Re: America's Fall From Grace! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:48:46 GMT
From: Christ wasn't a screaming egomaniac (unknown)
Christ didn't lie, abuse others, threaten others, or try to shove his words down anyone's throat. Your malice is palpable, as is your staggering meglomania. Nothing so unlike Christ as a screaming egomaniac like you.
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Southern Oregonian
"The so-called-tragedy of Tuesday???"
Thu Sep 20 20:28:40 2001
Is there no end to your malice? It, your ignorance, and your arrogance are the only things infinite about you.
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Townsquare
Damned Intense Projection There
Thu Sep 20 20:33:31 2001
You're the biggest bigot and hatemonger on this forum, all the while screeching you're Christ?? Your heart is black with disease. Heal yourself before you presume to preach to others.
rk: The Government/Media Sponsored Supported Disinformation Agents are at it once again. This is their third attempt to discredit my complaint to the FBI Investigation regarding Internet Mind Control by printing the letter below. This is so, in spite of the Article exposing the BIG PICTURE on June 11, 2000. (It also may be read below.)
rk: My Fellow Americans, YOU HAVE OVERSLEPT. Look around you! Had you acted in a timely manner then, the overshadowing events of the present day would likely have not arisen. It is you who are RESPONSIBLE for your own ENSLAVEMENT!
Re: Re: Klamath Falls is Kaput ---UNLESS!!
(Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:25:12 GMT
From: Read it AGAIN and Weep Ray! (unknown)
Post Office Box 709 Portland, Oregon 97207
Anita Karczewski
Raymond Karczewski
Post Office Box 1870
Cave Junction, OR 97523
Dear Mr. and Mrs Karczewski
The FBI is in receipt of a package of information you provided to the office of Senator Ron Wyden concerning difficulties you have experienced on the Internet. The information has been reviewed and a formal record is being made in our files. No violation of federal law that meets investigative guidelines is presented and no investigation is being undertaken by the FBI.
A copy of this letter is being provided to the office Senator Ron Wyden as requested.
Sincerely
David W. Szady
Special Agent in Charge
By Steven R. Fiddler
Supervisory Senior Resident Agent]
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June 11, 2000
An FBI Scandal in the Making??
For 951 days, the FBI has had in their possession a complaint issued by Raymond Karczewski, a citizen. For 951 day, other than erecting a STONE WALL of SILENCE to prevent it from being leaked to the American public, nothing was apparently done regarding resolution of the complaint.
What would cause a Federal Law Enforcement Agency to act in such a manner?
The essence of the complaint threatens the very fabric of the American way of Life. The complaint opens a Pandora's box of intrigue and deception which contains within it the very secret of power itself. It contains the secret of how man has been kept enslaved and ruled by his leadership since the dawn of civilization itself.
What is it that is so threatening to a system of government that not a public word was uttered by government/media on this issue for 951 days?
The answer is found in this question: IS GOVERNMENT/MEDIA using subrosa mind control operatives to control the flow of information and shape opinions of unwary citizens who use the Internet?
Is such an issue worth investigating? Answer the question yourself. Don't rely upon another to answer it for you, for that "outer directed" stimuli which impinges upon your consciousness is the very essence of mind control and has made you the codependent, unwhole person most of you are today.
Two days ago, June 9th, 2000, 951 day from when it all began on Nov. 2nd, 1997, the STONE WALL of SILENCE was broken via the undated letter below.
Note, if you will, the determination to not investigate was not based on the two original complaints [mine on Nov. 2nd, 1997, 951 days prior, and my wife Anita's complaint on Oct. 29, 1999, 254 days prior, but on the brief information sent to them by Senator Wyden's office (go ahead, read the Special Agent's comments below, it couldn't be more clearly stated) subsequent to my public confrontation with Senator Wyden at a public Town Hall meeting in Cave Junction Oregon on April 16th, 2000, some *54* days ago]. What, in fact, did the FBI do about the case during the time in which it languished in their politically directed hands for 951 days?
If the American people allow this example of flagrant governmental disregard for the plight of the common citizen who petitions his government to do its job to go unquestioned and do not/will not hold their government officials accountable for such gross dereliction of their sworn oath of office, YOU CAN KISS THIS CONSTITUTION-BASED COUNTRY GOODBYE!!
I've done my part to awaken you from your conditioned slumber. The rest is up to you. Your way of life and the quality of life you bequeath your children depends on it.
Ray Karczewski
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Post Office Box 709
Portland, Oregon 97207
Anita Karczewski
Raymond Karczewski
Post Office Box 1870
Cave Junction, OR 97523
Dear Mr. and Mrs Karczewski
The FBI is in receipt of a package of information you provided to the office of Senator Ron Wyden concerning difficulties you have experienced on the Internet. The information has been reviewed and a formal record is being made in our files. No violation of federal law that meets investigative guidelines is presented and no investigation is being undertaken by the FBI.
A copy of this letter is being provided to the office Senator Ron Wyden as requested.
Sincerely
David W. Szady
Special Agent in Charge
By:
Steven R. Fiddler
Supervisory Senior Resident Agent
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My comments regarding the letter written in an earlier post: rk
rk: Anybody see anything wrong with this picture? Here's a few clues.
rk: Letter is not dated (although the envelope which contained the above letter bears three postmarks (one for June 6th 2000, and two for June 7th, 2000).
rk: No case or file number is included in the letter. (How does one verify through the Freedom of Information Act, the FBI's preliminary investigation to support their position that mind control/disinformation activities on the Internet is not a serious enough undertaking to warrant their attention?)
rk: No mention is made either of my or Anita's original complaints, lodged long before Senator Wyden's note sent to them subsequent to April 16th, 2000. Nor was any mention made of the thousands of pieces of accumulated evidence that may be found in the Internet archives covering the past four-and-a-half-years of this case. Their decision to not investigate this issue appears to be based solely on the "brief" amount of information sent to Julie Rubenstein, aide to Senator Wyden, as per her instructions.
rk: It is clear to at least one person (ME) that a law enforcement "kiss-off" letter such as this one could have been written by anyone at the FBI office at any time during the 951 days the FBI has had the case in their custody.
rk: Again, one must ask the question -- WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
rk: In closing, are there any Law Firms which specialize in Civil Rights/Constitutional law that would be interested in representing me Pro Bono in bringing forth a definitive closure to this issue of Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Mind Control/Disinformation being conducted upon unwary users of the Internet? If so, contact me through my web site.
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No evidence, no actionable claim. Period.
Re: Results of Ray's "FBI Libel Investigation" Read it AGAIN (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:40:51 GMT
From: You lose again and always (unknown)
Get a grip.
This is like your stupid traffic ticket display: you have no clue about the law, and in your extreme mental illness can't bring yourself to admit it. Here is the fact of the matter simply put: truth is a complete defense to libel. Nothing posted about you has been false, so you have no claim. In the alternative, even if the posts were false, you'd have to prove the posters knew they were false at the time ofp osting, posted them with intent to damage your good reputation, and they in fact did damaged your good reputation. Which is absurd, utterly absurd. Your reputation is pure garbage, always has been, and **you made it so with your own hands.** If your reputation is already garbage and you alone destroyed it, it can't be damaged by posts ridiculing you. Again, you lose. In other words Ray, you lose again and always.
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Classic Rant.
Re: Results of Ray's "FBI Libel Investigation" Read it AGAIN (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:51:36 GMT
From: End the tyranny already Ray! (unknown)
As usual, you are hysterical, overwrought, and laughable in your ludicrous claims. There's nothing the government can do with some psychotic who imagines plots against him: the police cannot prosecute anyone for any imaginary offense. You seem quite sincere is your hyped-up emotions, but even the most hyped-up emotions of a mentally disturbed individual cannot sustain a criminal investigation or any action against sane members of society. Instead of indulging in such repeated and pathetic displays of your own lack of self-control, you're best off getting some medical attention and freeing yourself from the implacable tyranny your own body chemistry exercises over you. You have reduced yourself to a slave of your own body, which need not be the case.
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^^KOOOOOOOOOOOOOK ALERT!!^^
Re: Results of Ray's "FBI Libel Investigation" Read it AGAIN (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:00:43 GMT
From: Further proof of Ray's mental illness (unknown)
rk: The essence of the complaint threatens the very fabric of the American way of Life. The complaint opens a Pandora's box of intrigue and deception which contains within it the very secret of power itself. It contains the secret of how man has been kept enslaved and ruled by his leadership since the dawn of civilization itself.
Yeah Ray, right. What exactly are you on anyway? And where can the rest of us get some? Let's be frank: that's the only way you'll ever get anyone to believe your insane claims. Sheesh!
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Who gives a hot s**t what you think?
Re: Re: Klamath Falls is Kaput ---UNLESS!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:27:08 GMT
From: You need a psychiatrist badly (unknown)
As though public policy should be influenced by a forum kook like you.
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"The so-called tragedy of Tuesday??"
Re: Klamath Falls is Kaput ---UNLESS!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 03:28:22 GMT
From: Southern Oregonian (unknown)
Is there no end to your malice? It, your ignorance, and your arrogance are the only things infinite about you.
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You freaking KOOK!
Re: Re: Klamath Falls is Kaput ---UNLESS!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:32:13 GMT
From: Agent Sir Ed (unknown)
Raymond Karczewski (kazoo@internutcds.com) wrote in message
The [Kook} (a man of [Hypocrisy]) has just told you
Kazoo, your words would have a lot more impact if you weren't such a hypocrite, and if you didn't display such obvious signs of mental illness, like calling yourself: The I AM That I AM; The Embodiment Of Everyone Who Has Ever Lived & Ever Shall Live; The Mirror Of TRVTH; The Alpha and The Omega; and Jesus Christ.
We'd also have more respect for your rantings if you hadn't been proven to be so wrong so many times, throughout your career as a raving lunatic.
Oh, and...you predicted Martial Law would happen on January 1st, 2000, you predicted that everyone who had ever criticized you would end up behind bars, and you said you'd file a major lawsuit against all your enemies six years ago...wha'hoppen?
Hell, isn't it?
Ed
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Take it DOWN a few notches you meglomaniac!
Re: Klamath Falls is Kaput ---UNLESS!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:02:54 GMT
From: This is WAY beyond mere conceit my man! (unknown)
This is WAY beyond mere conceit my man! You might want to seriously rethink your own estimation of yourself as some sort of essential spiritual and political guide. Insofar as no one, but no one, except you takes you seriously, it's comic to see your parade your bloating ego here daily.
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Monkey wrote:
Susan Petterson wrote:
Letter in Herald & Snooze we should all read
Sat Sep 22 08:28:02 2001
m: Maybe this is too soon, maybe it doesn't even make the point I want to make. This has been a hard year for us in the Klamath Basin, and for me personally the events in New York tie in together.
sp: My son is in the Army. Safe in Texas. Home exactly 28 days from deployment in Kuwait.
sp: I talked with him Sept. 12. He assured me he was all right. Well, I knew that, thank God he is in Texas.
sp: He said we are gonna "kick some butt."
rk: Just as the "unknown" World Trade Center Terrorists *kicked some butt* eh? You just don't SEE IT do you? Your son's not your little boy any more. Your government has transformed him into a Trained Killer, and he is being sent out to kill or be killed. Don't you feel that a Muslim mother living thousands of miles away from Malin, Oregon feels the same way about her son?
rk: You've just been forced to make the transition from the glorious myth of war to the harsh and hellish realities of war. Most mothers feel as you do. However, like you, they also live in a fantasy world they have been conditioned to occupy, and the transition will not be complete until their sons return home in a body bag.
sp: I'm sure we will, and he will. My pride in his willingness to give his life and offer his life every day of his service is only overshadowed by the absolute terror in my heart and soul that I may lose my son.
rk: Mrs Petterson, with all due respect, when you speak of your ". . .pride in his willingness to give his life. . ." you, like millions of other mothers who are equally unaware of it, suffer from a severe case of a Government/Media, sponsored/supported MIND CONTROL WAR MINDSET!
rk: War cannot occur without the financial and idealogical support of THE PEOPLE. The fact is that THE PEOPLE are under the spell of warmongering MIND CONTROLLERS and WILL not see the harsh reality of death, destruction, and the ravages of war until it comes HOME to them.
sp: My hope and faith is that he will become a civilian, a veteran, and this will be all behind us.
rk: Yet you seem to care not a whit for the ravages of war your son may wreak upon fellow human beings thousands of miles away because they speak a different language, hold to different beliefs, and/or have a different color of skin.
rk: The least that can be said about a statement such as yours is that it is HYPOCRITICAL!
sp: He will become a productive citizen of this country
rk: But not before he finishes his duty as a *destructive citizen of this country,* eh?
sp: and community, with all the promises made by the United States government. Or will he? How dare Andy Kerr and Wendell Wood steal water from our veterans?
rk: Perhaps, in a way you are awakening to the real reasons for war -- Profit and Plunder by those who control the money supply, Manufacture and Sale of Arms to all sides of the conflict, and to enable the few to enslave entire Nations with the aid of the GUN!
rk: Why reduce your blame to two individuals when it is the Satanic Mindset held by ALL IGNORANT individuals who are responsible for making this planet a HELL ON EARTH?
rk: Like the vast majority of people kept ignorant by their mind controlling leadership, you merely lack the capacity to delve deeply enough to see the real causes behind the NEW WORLD ORDER'S accelerated campaign of Land Grabs, Control of Water, Restriction of Freedom, Dissolution of the U.S. Constitution, and WAR!
sp: How dare the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the U.S. Marine Fisheries Services steal water from our veterans? How dare you make a fish more important than my son?
Susan Petterson
Malin
rk: Forgive my bluntness, Mrs. Petterson, but your son's status right now is that of a GI ([G] overnment [I] ssue). That makes him little more than Cannon Fodder to those with whom he has contracted his life away.
rk: Indeed such young, impressionable men on the front line of war will be the first to die while the elitist bankers, corporate leaders, and politicians who wage war are completely shielded, sitting just as you are, thousands of miles out of HARMS WAY. But, at least your son has one person who manages to extract some pride over it.
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Get this: Ray's not really talking to this woman!!
Re: I dunno, could be the real Ray. Maybe. (Probably a Fauxczewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:31:22 GMT
From: Purely Imaginary Conversation! (unknown)
This letter was printed in the Herald, and posted on the Klamath forum. Ray isn't actually talking to anyone here, just having an imaginary pontification session he's spamming wherever he can. He's been thrown off the Kalamth board, so I guess he's taken refugse for his crap here.
rk: I responded to a post on a Forum, just as you have now. I write for one and all who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.
rk: Perhaps you'll explain why that should upset you so?
rk: It isn't my style of writing that drives you disinformation yahoos up the wall, it's the Truth contained within my writing that raises such Hell with the Satanic-Directed Individual.
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LOCK AND LOAD
Re: American Farms: A Good Place to Raise Cannon Fodder! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:18:42 GMT
From: DEE DESAIRE (adesaire@webtv.com)
"LOCK AND LOAD' LETS 'ROCK AND ROLL' WE'RE ON THE WAY TO AFGAN SOIL A RALLYING CRY FROM VIET NAM WILL BE HEARD AGAIN IN YOUR DEAR LAND
THE 82ND IS ON THE WAY COULD BE TOMORROW OR EVEN TODAY YOU'LL NEVER KNOW UNTIL THEY 'RE TOLD TO , "LOCK AND LOAD" LETS "ROCK AND ROLL"
THEY'RE ONE OF OUR BEST AND THEY'LL GIVE THEIR SOULS WHEN THEY HEAR THAT CRY "LOCK AND LOAD" "LETS ROCK AND ROLL"
rk: There you have it folks, Ignorance at its worst!!
rk: What do you suppose your Afghan counterparts defending their homes from a foreign invasion will be singing?
rk: I rest my case.
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F**K you, you gutless coward. This is Ray all right.
Re: American Farms: A Good Place to Raise Cannon Fodder! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:29:02 GMT
From: This is no time to attack people a**hole (unknown)
rk: I agree, but then the question arises -- why is our President, with the support of Congress, ATTACKING a foreign nation (people) when they still have not decisively declared to the American People (the REAL GOVERNMENT) who the enemy is???
Cowardly leech who's lived off the backs of the workers for decades, who launches racist screeds, and is so mentally ill he can't control his own body, and you're attacking this poor woman and her son? Go to hell. Seriously. No wonder they threw you off every board you attack people on.
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Not "gutless," MORBIDLY OBESE
Re: F**K you, you gutless coward. This is Ray all right. (This is no time to attack people a**hole)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:31:45 GMT
From: You're a thoughtless idiot Ray (unknown)
But I concur with your conclusion and recommendations here. Ray is disease, and diminishes all possible life around him.
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Ray's answer: RUN LIKE HELL
Re: American Farms: A Good Place to Raise Cannon Fodder! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:34:11 GMT
From: Ray's just slime (unknown)
He's never stood up to anything in his life. Stands to reason his answer is to lie back and take whatever slaughter terrorist have to hand out. Ignore him. He means nothing, absolutely nothing. Your son's service and sacrifice are honored by all thinking, sane Americans. Ray's just slime.
Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:50:34 +0200
"Amédée" (contact@amedee.org) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
a: The world feels bad. And it is getting worse and worse.
a: The reason of this endemic problem is simple however. It lies in the fact that our societies are governed almost exclusively by men.
rk: It is true that our societies are presently and historically have been governed by the Culturally Conditioned Male Intellect. The Culturally Conditioned Female Intellect is merely its counterpart. Both are fragmented and limited instruments which together in understanding MAKE A WHOLE.
a: Women have a derisory role in the management of a world where they however represent a little more than half of the total population. This is the problem !
rk: The problem goes much deeper than that.
a: As long as this world is ruled almost totally by men, there will be no improvement.
rk: The same could be said for a world ruled almost totally by women. It is the fragment of intellect which "thinks" itself to be the whole that is the source of human ignorance and suffering.
a: In my opinion, the consequences of the numerous discriminations exerted on women represent the most imporant crime against humanity ever committed.
rk: The Satanic (Opposer) Intellect being dualistic in nature can aught do else than fight with itself, projecting its own confusion and violence upon another. That is where the real problem lies, does it not?
a: Women live in a society created by men and for men.
rk: It has been said that it is a "Man's World,"but only by IGNORAMUSES unable to see the BIG PICTURE!
a: And women are victims of sexism everywhere in the world at a more or less important degree.
rk: Amadee, my sister in spirit, you do not yet see the power of the Satanic Intellect in wreaking confusion, violence, hatred and division at every possible level of human relationship. For example, let us take a deeper look into the natural, beautiful, human experience we folks label Sex.
rk: Take that natural, healthy hormonal urge which guarantees the continuation of the human species and make it into a SATANIC (Opposing) concept. Divide that Concept into right-wrong, moral-immoral, spiritual-carnal. Create taboos, a matrix of laws which surround that natural act, then create guilt in the unbalanced intellect of those who live life trapped in the insanity of their own limited concepts. There, Amadee, lies the very core of POWER and CONTROL. Do not tarry at the superficial. Go deeply to the source. Do you want to understand a Tree? Go to the root. Do not while away your life counting its leaves.
a: Education, religion and institutions are permanently used as instruments to depreciate and enslave women.
rk: I perceive your statement to be correct as far as it goes, but the stark reality of it is that these Institutions have the power to enslave all who live in their minds, regardless of sex. It is for that reason that I bring to light the depths of mind control and its effect upon "civilized people" wherever they live in the world.
a: Some countries are of course less inclined to discrimination than others, but no one can boast of having eradicated this male-chauvinist canker the world suffers from.
a: The feminine qualities necessary to mankind's evolution still lack seriously.
a: Every woman is affected to a more or less important degree in her dignity. And the entire human dignity is affected.
a: The stability we aim at will remain an illusion as long as our societies lack the feminine qualities indispensable to reach it. rk: On that, you and I are in agreement.
a: There will be no peace in the world and no lasting stability as long as women are not present enough in the affairs of this world.
rk: Until the conditioned Human Being comes to understand the duality of his own intellect and in so doing is able to transcend it, merging the heretofore not understood male/female traits contained within each and every of us, the balance of a truly Intelligent Human being is not possible.
rk: It is the Christ State of Consciousness that is balance personified; and that, Amedee, is Androgynous.
a: To be convinced of this you can just watch any television news. By watching all the hold-ups, the bomb attacks, the terrorism, the endless conflicts, the demonstrations which turn bad, the violence on/ in the stadiums, the bloody religious rivalry, see by yourself the role of men and that of women. It's sufficiently significant...
a: The stake is crucial, it is planetary. Women must have a dominating role in the leading of the world, otherwise there will be no world any more....
rk: "Dominating," hmm?!
a: Without a quick and radical change, humanity will totally sink into chaos.
rk: Don't you mean *has sunk?*
a: I have a deep conviction, and more than that, a very clear intuition of it. A very feminine intuition.
rk: I too, have such intuition, but I assure you it is not merely relegated to the FEMININE.
a: But in a world where the masculin is omnipresent, intuition sounds childish. And it is not taken seriously.
rk: Intuition is the transcended state of divine intelligence born of direct perception. It is the telepathic nature of consciousness beyond the scope of the many and understood only by the few. Intuition is that which can be seen only by those "who have the spiritual eyes to see."
a: These are women's stories.
a: I tell you, however that the time has come for women from all around the world to rebel openly, firmly and durably.
rk: Rebel, eh? On that day you become a man, and you're back to square one.
a: The future of humanity is at stake.
Amedee
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I wonder if the LEGION of lurkers who read these misdirecting attacks by these cowardly anonymous disinformation agents have even the scintilla of AWARENESS to NOTICE that at NO TIME do these YAHOOS ever directly address the contents of my posts.
The fact is they cannot, for it is quite beyond their present level of comprehension. Instead they sing to the choir of fellow IGNORAMUSES.
Go ahead, folks, check out the archives. See if you can find a single post from these cowardly shadow dwellers which directly addresses the subjects of my posts and are not solely designed to misdirect your attention onto gossip, attack, and prurient oriented inane tangents.
It seems they have an audience. What does that tell you about the State of Consciousness which permeates the newsgroups/forums of the Internet?
And you wonder how and why AMERICANS can be so easily led into WAR by their leadership!!
Hell, isn't it?
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Get this: Ray's not really talking to this woman!!
Re: I dunno, could be the real Ray. Maybe. (Probably a Fauxczewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:31:22 GMT
From: Purely Imaginary Conversation! (unknown)
This letter was printed in the Herald, and posted on the Klamath forum. Ray isn't actually talking to anyone here, just having an imaginary pontification session he's spamming wherever he can. He's been thrown off the Kalamth board, so I guess he's taken refugse for his crap here.
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Uh, Ray?
Re: The Time of Feminine Revolution Revolution !
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:00:57 GMT
From: The Nine (icenine@locnetwork.com)
Just a question... When you ripped this editorial off the front page of http://amedee.org, did you not notice the picture of the bearded gentleman off to the right?
rk: I responded to the post which appeared on a religious newsgroup, i.e., talk.religion.newage.
rk: I must admit I did not visit the website before responding to the message.
rk: I was addressing feminine energy eminating from the article.
rk: Since when does physical gender dictate sexual identification and energy"
rk: As usual and expected, you missed the point!!
in: That bearded gentleman is Amedee, your "sister in spirit."
in: If you have to manufacture conversations with people, you might want to take an extra 10 seconds to prevent an impending foot up your ass.
in: You're welcome.
i9