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Jane IP: 63.164.175.51 wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
posted 08-20-2001 03:58 PM
j: Goodness, Mr. K. Couldn't you even ask "What do you think?" Well, I guess not. Someone might tell you.
j: "Since my posts are actively being censored by unknown persons, and are prevented from reaching my usual newsgroups/forums and GOOGLE Archives (though I continue to post to them), a full complement of my writings may be found by the serious reader on my bulletin board http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm at my website. http://www.arkenterprises.com"
j: I suppose since you're paying for that, you've got plenty of room to demonstrate the injustices dealt you to your readers.
j: This reply may seem unkind, but frankly, I find the long self-obsessed posts to be unkind.
j: sez Jane, the sometimes undiplomatic caruuzing monitor of forum post's lengths.
j: [This message has been edited by Jane (edited 8-20-2001).]
Jane,
rk: I am simply amazed at just how far some people will go to overcompensate for their personal impotence and inertia, not to mention their NEED to demonstrate to the world their flawed spirit of pettiness, gossip, and prideful ignorance.
rk: What is even more amazing is the non response of the "silent majority" of lurkers to such demonstrable ignorance, while their society is falling apart right under their noses, and they sit by idly wondering why it is so.
rk: Whatever the reason they have for not lending their voice to quell such unbalanced, stupid and divisive pettiness, it does not bode well for a society so inclined -- DOES IT?!!
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ATTENTION: FORGERY! (Was: Re: Christs and a New World Consciousness or Satanists and a New World Order?!!)
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:22:16 GMT
"The Nine" (icenine@locnetwork.com) wrote:
Christs and a New World Consciousness or Satanists and a New World Order?!! Once again, it would appear that you are being had by the agent provocateurs and disinformation agents that have sweated and toiled for 6 years in order to come up with a single CONTRADICTION IN ESSENCE, and discredit me.
WAKE UP, AMERICA! YOU ARE BEING HAD!
This recent barrage of FORGED POSTS in my name will not deter a simple Man of Truth from getting his message out, much in the same way it did not deter my Spiritual Brother Jesus 2000 years ago from contuinuing to spead his message.
I invite you all to read the actual post made to "jane" below. Listen quietly as you read the words. Does the ESSENCE sound different? It should, it is not the writing of a dilettante who merely TALKS ABOUT what he THINKS he knows.
ORIGINAL ARTICLE Jane IP: 63.164.175.51 wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
posted 08-20-2001 03:58 PM
j: Goodness, Mr. K. Couldn't you even ask "What do you think?" Well, I guess not. Someone might tell you.
j: "Since my posts are actively being censored by unknown persons, and are prevented from reaching my usual newsgroups/forums and GOOGLE Archives (though I continue to post to them), a full complement of my writings may be found by the serious reader on my bulletin board http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm at my website. http://www.arkenterprises.com"
j: I suppose since you're paying for that, you've got plenty of room to demonstrate the injustices dealt you to your readers.
j: This reply may seem unkind, but frankly, I find the long self-obsessed posts to be unkind.
j: sez Jane, the sometimes undiplomatic caruuzing monitor of forum post's lengths.
j: [This message has been edited by Jane (edited 8-20-2001).] Jane,
rk: Normally, I would simply refuse to answer posts like this. But, I must admit to myself that your post intrigues me. Perhaps it is the VIBRATORY ESSENCE I percieve in your writing.
rk: What is even more amazing is that while I have been subjected to only semi-annual erections for the last 10 years, your post seems to have gotten my attention in more ways than one, if you catch my true meaning.
rk: Whatever the reason, I feel that we must meet to discuss your objections to my writing further. Please email me (with pic) in order to arrange this. My email is valid.
rk: I await your response, Spiritual Sister.
Ray Karczewski
Re: ATTENTION: FORGERY! (Was: Re: Christs and a New World Consciousness or Satanists and a New World Order?!!)
Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:23:44 GMT
"The Nine" (icenine@locnetwork.com)
Gotcha, Ray. Now, what are you gonna do about it, BITCH? i9
JayWJr IP: 166.72.148.74 wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
posted 08-18-2001 10:17 AM
jwj: Raymond, you cannot produce the term"New World Consciousness" from the Bible.
jwj: New World Consciousness is occultic and pagan just like New World Order and New Age.
rk: Nonsense! You only display to the world a level of ignorance that is LEGION amongst the undiscerning Bible-thumping acculturated!
rk: Think not? Then ponder this! There is a book called a BIBLE. It is a BOOK like all BOOKS. No more, no less. Words on a page expressing THOUGHT.
rk: In that book lies intermittent smatterings of TRUTH plus a whole lot of overriding Judeo-Christian copycat nonsense derived from earlier pagan mythology (more belief-ridden nonsense).
rk: Today's Illuminati movement, the underpinnings of the NEW WORLD ORDER, is nothing more than a long, incremental resurrection of the Pagan Myths of Ancient Babylon which preceeded and runs counter to later CHRISTIAN conditioning. In essence there isn't a whit of difference between the two belief systems. To put it simply and succinctly, both are merely cultural venues of MIND CONTROL. In other words, same myths, different labels.
rk: It is a momentum of POWER and CONTROL. It is an hypnotic state of ILLUSION based in words which are designed to bind and limit a heretofore unlimited, unbounded human consciousness, (Christ Consciousness) and narrowly focus it into an exclusive, rigid, dualistic Intellectual mind set which divides and pits believer against believer, neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother.
jwj: If you are going to use the name of Jesus Christ in your posts, you had better use it scripturally.
rk: See what I mean about prideful display of one's conditioned IGNORANCE? You have yet to say anything of any spiritual depth in this post. Your acquired religious prattle only reveals the shallowness of a linear Intellect incapable of plumbing the depths of Human Consciousness. What's more, your "religious conditioned" unawareness does not even allow you to see it for yourself.
rk: I am not concerned with what you KNOW about Jesus Christ, for that is only superficial conditioning being expressed. What do you UNDERSTAND OF the level of human consciousness that was Jesus Christ?
rk: Any IGNORAMUS "TALKABOUT" can be trained to parrot rote learned statements -- AND THEY DO!!! All you have to do is look around you. But what is the TRUE quality of their UNDERSTANDING as reflected in their daily lives.
rk: Who speaks OF the direct revelation of TRUTH, LIFE, and the WAY that was the essence of Jesus? Few, indeed. And those who do, stick out like a sore thumb amid a multitude of limited, conditioned, violent, hypocritical IGNORAMUSES. Sorry, Jay, but you and millions of other Jesus worshipping CHRISTIANS are NO DIFFERENT in your superficial beliefs than are the PAGANS you so readily condemn.
jwj: Otherwise we will know for a fact that you are just trying to further your own occultic ideologies and agenda's.
rk: Jay, you, in your conditioned ignorance, do not yet understand that it is KNOWLEDGE that you presently worship. You are oblivious to, and in denial of, the entity that is the GOD of Knowledge. You DO KNOW who that is, don't you? It's the dualistic, fragmented, unwhole ego-imprisoned energy that is responsible for MAN'S FALL FROM GRACE.
rk: It's the ruler of the Intellectual Realm -- the realm of limited, time-bound consciousness responsible for the construction and perpetuation of the Civilized World. It is the world in which you live.
rk: By their words and deeds, all will be known. Pay attention to (be aware of) the news on TV, Radio, and Newspapers. There you will find the handiwork of the God of Knowledge.
rk: HELL, ISN'T IT?
JayWJr IP: 166.72.148.38
posted 08-23-2001 09:19 AM
jwj: Raymond, you cannot produce the term"New World Consciousness" from the Bible.
jwj: RK: You could really confuse a lot of people with your New Age ramblings.
rk: In a world of religious INDOCTRINATION does not CONFUSION, DOUBT, and FEAR reign SUPREME? If CONSCIOUSNESS is open, clear and balanced, CONFUSION has no effect upon such an holistic spiritual entity.
jwj: But People who know God's Word will not be deceived.
rk: Then why all of the reactionary, belief based, attempts at face saving as demonstrated in your post?
jwj: Yes, it is very possible to have a head knowledge that Jesus Christ died on the cross and still not be saved.
rk: It is the "givens" of such a rigidly conditioned matrix of belief that betrays you and other dogmatically ruled Intellects.
jwj: One must believe that Jesus died and rose again and trust Him and Him alone to pay the penalty for their own sins once and for all at Calvary.
rk: When such Illogical belief is regarded as logical Truth, one has already stepped over the threshold of sanity, of balance, and has "fallen from grace" into the consensus based insanity which rules the world of Civilized Blind Believers. It is the BASSACKWARD realm where hypnosis and its illusions reign supreme.
jwj: Romans 10: 9-10 says,"That if you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
rk: See what I mean? What kind of consciousness is susceptible to such nonsense if not the weak, the spiritually bereft, and the psychologically codependent?
jwj: "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
rk: All you are doing is demonstrating your ability to parrot DEAD WORDS. When are you going to transcend such limited conditioned belief and speak from your own understanding? Are you beginning to see the unfolding of your carefully conditioned, debilitated consciousness yet?
jwj: Verse 13 says,"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
rk: What??? Another parroted statement? When is Jay Jr. going to speak from his own understanding?
jwj: Salvation comes by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ.
rk: More examples of Jay Jr's inability to speak his own words!!
jwj: "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God."
rk: And so on . . . !
jwj: If salvation from sin and hell are attained by some etherial highly intellectual New World Order Consciousness, then only the intellects of the world could be saved.
rk: And so on . . . ! By the way, where in my writing did you see me mention a "New World Order Consciousness" Those are your words, not mine!!
jwj: Jesus said, " Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not; for such is the Kingdom of God." Luke 18:16.
rk: And so on . . . !
jwj: Raymond, your so-called higher knowledge and New World Consciousness won't and can't save you. Only faith in the Son of God, who's name is Jesus Christ, can save you.
rk: Have you yet received a fleeting glimpse of just how the HYPNOSIS of Belief can twist a mind into eschewing SANITY and worshipping the INSANE?
jwj: He died a cruel death on Calvary to pay for the sins of all who would trust Him as their Savior from sin, and speaking of knowledge, you do need to know that much.
rk: No better example of Mass Hypnosis can be demonstrated than that little bit of INSANITY you've just proposed, eh, Jay? Can you now understand why the average Christian "sheeple" is in dire need of religiously cloaked "expert shepherds"? Now perhaps you catch a glimpse of why the civilized world of blind believers is NUTS!!
jwj: But even a child could understand that.
rk: Now reread this post and see whether you, Jay Cole Jr., were even present and accountable for this communication. All that arose from you were ODPDWs -- "other dead peoples' dead words."
Raymond, you cannot produce the term"New World Consciousness" from the Bible.
JayCole Sr. IP: 152.163.204.187 wrote:
posted 08-23-2001 10:10 AM
jc: RAYMOND, I have avoided responding to your pagan ramblings as most others have.
rk: And you are NOW about to show why, aren't you?
jc: But since this board will probably be closing down I felt it might be advantageous to some to give a brief answer.
rk: But whose answer will it be, yours or ODPDWs (see your son's post above)?
jc: I cannot add much to what my son has already said,
rk: But what in fact, did your son actually say? In your son's post I discerned a tape recording loop playing itself out, and in doing so, it revealed in no uncertain terms that there was "no one home." What did you discern?
jc: but it is only too obvious that you disregard the accuracy and authority of the written Word of God
rk: Granted there exists the ineffable that is communicated through the Holistic Spirit (Holy Spirit) of nondualistic Intelligence, but it does require that somebody be home when communicating it at the Intellectual level to the spiritually blind and the dead. To offer instead, pat dead phrases in lieu of the Living Word merely indicts an unhealthy, codependent ego in search of power.
jc: which is the direct result of total and oblivious ignorance of its content, and the fact that the Lord has never touched your heart and brought about the change that is necessary for you to understand God's plan and objective.
rk: If you are making a case that I am not coming from a place of repetitive, hypnotically-induced dogma shrouded by schmoozy positive imagery, you are correct.
jc: A careful study of the pagan nonsense to which you subscribe will display a tragic end to all it purports.
rk: Had you an understanding of the "pagan nonsense" that you are wont to speak authoritatively on, you would remain silent in the face of your own self-indictment. That is the essence of the Statement "Judge not lest Ye be judged."
jc: And you will see that most of it contains elements of plagiarized Scripture with which they attempt to bolster their nonsense.
rk: First solve the riddle "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Then perhaps you will have resolved the issue of "which came first the pagan or the christian?" Thus you will be able to see which philosophy was borrowed from whom. Christians have it all BASSACKWARDS, haven't they?
jc: Believe me, Scripture came long before satan introduced the new age garbage.
rk: So in whose hand was held the pen that wrote the scripture -- God's, Satan's or man's? The key words to the promotion of the above statement are "Believe me." Therein lies the hypnotic induction required to accept the fragmented, dualistic *IDEA of Truth* as being the infinite, holistic (nondualistic) TRUTH it represents.
jc: The line which you follow is nothing more than the old line of satan which attempts to lure mankind into his camp.
rk: I lure no one. After all, who in this communication are proselytizing and promoting a particular dogmatic system of belief if not you and your son?
jc: And you have obviously been suckered into yielding to his lie.
rk: Why not expand on the subject of "suckering into yielding"? It ought to WAKE YOU up to your own choice of words.
jc: That is normal for weak minded humanity.
rk: As you and your son do not hesitate to demonstrate.
jc: If you are among God's elect, your mind WILL undergo a major overhaul and conversion. If not, you WILL continue to follow the the grave and disasterous error in thinking which you have fallen for. May the Lord have mercy on you. Jay Cole Sr.
rk: Jay Cole Sr., I will leave you with the same admonition given your son. Reread this post of yours and perhaps you will see the truth contained in the statement "The Sins of the Father's shall be visited upon their sons."
rk: HELL, ISN'T IT?
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Rush
This is pretty thick irony. You are a very sick man
Thu Aug 23 07:58:06 2001
Given the arrogance and aggression displayed in this post, it is damned ironic for you to be claiming spiritual awareness at all. Your constantly posted and reposted attacks on others only stress one thing: that you are a very unhappy, sick man out to impose your discontent and anger on others, and you have not yet learned fundamental lessons in life about dignity, compassion, grace, and wisdom. It is amazing to me how many vicious bigots attempt to cloak their bigotry and rage in the mantle of spirituality. In your case, everyone can see what is so apparent: as a self-proclaimed emperor you are clearly wearing no clothes. Rethink your egotistical delusions you are God Ray, and repent your history of violence and threats: no one with any spiritual awareness at all would even dream of spending his entire life threatening the world to avoid feeling his own emptiness and impotence. I feel sorry for you. You are a very sick man indeed.
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bart
Your opinion, and nothing compelling about it
Thu Aug 23 07:04:41 2001
All this assault, as always, is nothing but you venting your own rage and hatred you spam on every board that will allow your attacks to stand. This has nothing to do with patriotism, and serves no constructive purpose at all. This man has as much right as you do to his beliefs, and you have no right to attack peoploe because you don't like what they say. You seem to feel you alone have a right to free speech, the right to attack anyone you disagree with, and the right to have them censored by the government. This is nothing but a shameless spectacle of meglomania and hate, and you ought to be ashamed of your own lack of intelligence, circumspection, and self-control. Nothing insightful or spiritual about your anger Ray. Get control of your own body and emotions.
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Reaction from Oregon
Your strange repeated self-flagellation
Thu Aug 23 06:59:53 2001
rk: See what I mean about prideful display of one's conditioned IGNORANCE? You have yet to say anything of any spiritual depth in this post. Your acquired religious prattle only reveals the shallowness of a linear Intellect incapable of plumbing the depths of Human Consciousness. What's more, your "religious conditioned" unawareness does not even allow you to see it for yourself.
Ray, the only person to whom this applies is obviosuly you. And you finally hit your own nail right on the head. I wonder if you have the eyes and ears to see this basic fact? You must really live an extended form of self-reproach and recrimination that you could write a thing like this when it so obviously relates only to yourself. I'd feel sorry for you, but you will your own hell and revel in it, so pity is a waste of time. HELL ISN'T IT???????
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D.
How did this happen?
Thu Aug 23 07:58:37 2001
http://www.diakrisis.org/
In order to have an understanding of where Ray is, and how he got there, you might like to go to this web site and read these articles. I found this site while searching the web one night, and I must say, the author has really done his homework, and presents a very clear and true picture of the New Age Movement, the neo-church, and how the entire movement is interwoven into the building of the One World Order. I was glad to find someone who was touching all the bases of this subject on one web page. He really does an excellent job. I would invite everyone to read from these pages to have a better understanding of how the religious and political are joining forces to to create this Great Deception of Abomination we call the New World Order.
God's Blessings
ARTICLES & ANALYSIS DISCERNING THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES - A Four-Part Exposition of the New Spirituality:
Part 1: "Spirit of Babel: The New Spirituality in Redemptive History" html version PDF version
This is part one of "Discerning the Signs of the Times: A Four-Part Exposition of the "New Spirituality".
In 1997 and 1998, Alan Morrison gave a series of talks on what is known as the "New Spirituality" -- also known as the "New Consciousness" or "New Age Movement". In particular, these talks were designed to demonstrate that this New Spirituality was not some new, faddish, middle-class indulgence but a global realisation of the "satanic initiation" into which our first parents, Adam and Eve, were seduced, and also a natural outworking of the subsequent "spirit of antichrist" which became a leading force in the development of world religion. These talks were first given at the "Conference on Cults" at Westminster Theological Seminary in Escondido, California in September 1997, and were then expanded with more material at the Diakrisis Conference in the U.K. in 1998. The transcripts of these seven one-hour talks have now been specially amalgamated , and then incorporated with the same amount again of additional written material into four large articles under the umbrella heading "Discerning the Signs of the Times: A Four-Part Exposition of the New Spirituality". The four articles are entitled: 1) "Spirit of Babel: The New Spirituality & Redemptive History" (c. 26,000 words); 2) "Novus Ordo Seclorum: The New Spirituality & the New World Order" (c. 20,000 words); 3) "Unholy Spirit: The New Spirituality in the Church" (c. 20,000 words); 4) "Scenes from Armageddon: The New Spirituality and the End of the Age" (c. 16,000 words).
http://www.diakrisis.org/
D.
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This is just Ray's way of trying to control people's minds
Re: New World Consciousness and the Bible! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:09:35 GMT
From: Impotent and ignorant threats won't work (unknown)
None of this has anything to do with spirituality. Obviously. This is just Ray's way of talking about and attempting to justify his personal attempts to control people's minds, and to threaten and attack them for any form of independent thinking. He's a self-righteous a**hole who wants to be considered some sort of Christ, but doesn't begin to realize how truly and openly bankrupt he really is. These attacks have gone on for many years now to no avail, and the more people tune him out or ridicule his bullying, the more intense the threats and abuse get. At least he didn't threaten to take up arms and enforce his views on people in the streets, as he has many times in the past. In the end it means nothing but the meglomanical rantings of a impotent, ignorant little person who alone takes himself for God.
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No value to Ray's obscene self-aggrandizement
Re: New World Consciousness and the Bible! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:20:29 GMT
From: You;re a petty, desperate little man Ray (unknown)
Ray's strategy is to obviate all form of intellectual competition that he, of course, could never win. His pseudo-intellectual babble only betrays his absolute lack of thinking skills, and he has had to therefore adopt another strategy to make himself feel more important that anyone else around him. What he's saying is that intellect is evil, must be destroyed at all costs, and replaced with, well, what Ray personally wants. Nothing intelligent or of political/social value in any of this. Ray's desperately looking for disciples and has been for decades now. Maybe some day he'll find someone so abject and self-hating they'll take up the role. But I can't imagine anyone sinking that low in life as to look to Ray for any form of guidance whatsoever.
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Not a believer Ray is God
I don't know boots. Jay has a right to his opinion
Thu Aug 23 13:16:15 2001
Why do you like this? What is there really to like in any of this aggression and abuse? If Jay has certain beliefs in God Ray doesn't share, why would you support such an attack on the former just because Ray doesn't like what he's saying? What is so compelling to you about name-calling and spamming such attacks on boards where the exchange never took place to begin with? What is it exactly you like about Ray's mean, thoughtless behavior, and why do you think he is a fine young man? Am I missing something here? I never saw this in you before.
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Ray's neighbor
Have you ever even met Ray????
Thu Aug 23 13:03:46 2001
Or are you basing your remarks here on virtually no expsoure at all on some web board? For your information, Ray is neither a fine person nor a young man. He has dedicated his entire life to harming others, including all his neighbors. He refuses to work and spends all his free time for decades now threatening people and demanding free support and perks from the government. It is ironic he posts on a board like this one, but I guess it doesn't matter because you support that lifestyle here. If you want to "like" someone wholly given over to violence, threats, living for free off the government, and abuse that's your business. Sometimes I just don't understand people. Are you a Clinton supporter too? I guess the age of personal accountability and integrity is over.
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No, Ray thinks HE is Christ and God almighty.
Re: You guys don't get it about Ray. He dismisses (the Bible yet believes in Christ.)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:20:57 GMT
From: Inform yourself. (unknown)
He thinks Christ was a vicious myth about mind control, and he alone is God. He also has a very long history of abusing children, threatening people, and of mental illness involving violence and psychopathic behavior. His own family cut him off decades ago because of his abuse, and will have nothing to do with him. Inform yourself. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Shut the hell up already you pretentious fop
Re: Two Christians and a Christ (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:18:27 GMT
From: Keep your hell to yourself you a**hole (nknown)
You already reposted this crap so many times it's sickening. You can't overcompensate for your apparent and painful ignorance in this way, not can you fix your own disaesed soul by attacking others and their religious beliefs. This has nothing to do with spirit or insight, just you trying to destroy everyone around you so you can feel alive. You alone live in this hell you constant are screaming about, so you can save your rabid ranting for one of your psycho militia boards. Only people as marginalized and full of hate would stand for such asinine crap out of you Ray. We don't.
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APFN now a Christian-bashing venue?
Your fascist tactics are offensive and unacceptable
Thu Aug 23 16:22:18 2001
This goes well beyond expressing your opinions about religious matters, and well into the realm of fascist attempt to quell all differences of opinion. The character of this board has fundamentally changed if this is the nature of the posts to be found here now. Since when does fascism and totalitarian mind-control have anything to do with the American Constitution and proper governance? Or has this board simply turned into another Christian-bashing venue?
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True Christian
Christ has nothing to do with this
Thu Aug 23 16:17:12 2001
Your base and dark-spirited posts have nothing to do with light, goodness, or grace Raymond. Repent your malice, and perhaps you will be forgiven. Leave other people alone: they have as much right to their spiritual beliefs as anyone else, including you. They have done nothing to harm you, and to deserve your constant abusive assaults on their character. Your soul is being eaten away every time you attack someone in this ignorant, malicious manner.
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I reject your hate Raymond. God help you.
Your screaming doesn't make your words impressive
Thu Aug 23 15:35:53 2001
Why do you feel the intense need to scream by posting your attacks in so many caps? If your words have no force, screaming them doesn't help. People have the right to disagree with you, and constantly attacking them in such overblown terms only shows you have no character or spiritual insight at all. In the end, you have already paid for your hubris and rage by living such a diminished life, which you spend doing nothing useful, only verbally assaulting others and threatening them with retaliation for disagreeing. There is nothing to respect in your sickness Ray, and this kind of petty strong-arm tactic will never work with people of strength, spirit, and insight. May God have mercy on your embittered mind. You need it.
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bart
Stop assaulting people on this board
Thu Aug 23 15:10:59 2001
Others have a right to their beliefs Ray, and your attacks are ungodly and full of demonic venom. You show us you live in a hell of your own making when you cannot tolerate anyone not accepting your fantasies you are Christ, and all you do here is parrot words of a dead, calcified mind. You have no spirit left after the disease has completed its ravages. You are a hate-filled, bitter, and stupid old man who attacks anything decent and loving in the world. Keep your mental illness and hate to yourself. I for one have no need for such bitterness and constant vituperation.
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Anonymous
The assaults referred to Ray, not you.
Thu Aug 23 16:14:17 2001
But I too would like to know what you find to "like" in Ray's constant mindless attacks on other people's religious beliefs. He seems like a two-bit despot unwilling to tolerate any dissent, yet demanding his own right to attack people repeatedly and viciously all in the name of "free speech." Any explanation on your admiration for such brutal and mean-spirited attempts at mind control?
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Oregonian
But do you even know what you're tolerating here???
Thu Aug 23 15:17:53 2001
Again I repeat my question: do you even know Ray, and you ever laid eyes on him, or you are supporting his constant and vicious attacks on everyone else based on some misplaced sense of "tolerance?" Are there any limits to such strange, hard-hearted "tolerance" of vice, or is even dangerous sociopathic behavior too to be tolerated? Do you even know this man boots? It doesn't look that way from here. Are you willing to come to Oregon and inform yourself at all?
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Ray is nothing but disease. You've never even met him
Re: You guys don't get it about Ray. He dismisses (the Bible yet believes in Christ.)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:55:39 GMT
From: He needs to destroy to feel alive (unknown)
Come to Cave Junction and it will take less than a couple of minutes to realize who it is you're dealing with here. He is palpibly insane, and out to do whatever damage he can to however many people he can. He needs to destroy to feel alive. Nothing to do with Christ. Nothing.
rk: This is my response to the articles which follow it:
To Boots and D,
rk: I agree to the fact that neither of you "know" where I am coming from. That is the problem which faces the vast majority of conditioned believers unable to fathom my words of Truth as they unfold before them on these newsgroups/forums.
rk: The point of my writing is to awaken the civilized people of this world to the effects that mind control has had and continues to have upon their "conditioned" perceptions.
rk: Without your prior acculturation neither of you would have written what you have written below with such staunch but perceivably limited perspective. You are a couple of "pitty-pats" -- spiritual dilettantes who have been trained to consider themselves good "do bees." In other words, popularity-seeking, impotent, controllable, likeable, verbal do-nothings.
rk: The SATANIC thought-based system of government and religion has invested an enormous amount of time and energy in your lifetime in making you what you are in the present moment. They are the primary architects of your "self image."
rk: It is time for the two of you to put away the things of "childhood" and grow up spiritually. It's time for you to stop pandering to people you don't even know for the purpose of stroking your own popularity-seeking, status-bound self image, and grasping a teensy bit of power and self-elevation in the exchange.
rk: The fact that I don't follow your "formula" for pandering to others in order to persuade and manipulate their thought processes is perhaps the greatest mystery to both of you. You see, I follow no formula. It is the Spirit of Truth which speaks through me and there is no FORMULA to TRUTH.
rk: You see, Truth's intention is not to persuade others to a "particular" point of view, but to AWAKEN their sleeping Intelligence so that they may SEE for themselves the Truth as it unfolds in their daily lives. Therefore there is no need for one to boost the sagging self-images of blind believers with schmoozy, gratuitous compliments, a trait in which boots excels.
rk: Such behavior only works in the world of hypocrites. As to the efficacy of such pandering, schmoozing, back slapping, insincere manipulations, anyone a step above the rank of BLIND IGNORAMUS can SEE the effect it has had upon humanity by checking out the state of the world as it actually is and not the positive, schmoozy image of what it could be, when projected by impotent, fantasy-bound intellects.
rk: What surprises me is the vast numbers of readers who read my writings yet remain silent to the life-changing essence contained therein. That kind of inertia only leads to Self-destruction. It leads to massive roundups of targeted populace for incarceration and enslavement. That is what awaits this country and most of you who read this. You WILL get what you deserve, for that is the momentum you have personally set into motion.
rk: Look at all the empty words, the sabre rattling, the fantasies running rampant in the minds of the inert on these newsgroups/forums/bulletin boards. Then observe what occured yesterday at Klamath Falls, Oregon when thousands traveled there only to go home when a few "feds" shut off the water -- WHEN THE SERVANTS SENT THE MASTERS PACKING. That was *A MOMENT OF TRUTH*! You see how it was met.
rk: I keep hearing the phrase "Don't turn in your guns, there are more of us than there are of them."
rk: But when a handful of Federal Agents can send 10,000 people packing home, you have your evidence of effective MIND CONTROL. Those "good do bees" who travelled from "five Western States" to Oregon could have stayed home and still have had the same effect, couldn't they?
rk: In my writings at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm I have repeatedly given a solution which would change our world forever -- a solution so simple yet so indisputable that government and the elitists who are really in control would find it IMPOSSIBLE to launch an countermeasure to defeat it. Yet mind controlled "good do bees" prefer to take meaningless action until they have no freedom left. That is the mind set thousands displayed yesterday at Klamath Falls, Oregon. It it the mind set of SLAVERY!!
THE MOMENT OF TRUTH ARRIVED AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BLINKED!
boots 7.5 wrote
Fri Aug 24 06:35:26 2001
b: For all my friends who responded to my post regarding Ray, I would just offer the following. I did not sugest that I supported Ray's statements, except on rare occassion. Hell, I don't fully uderstand where he's coming from most of the time, just like the rest of you. What I was attempting to do was to give him the benefit of the respect we all enjoy with our right to freedom to speak our minds as we see fit. From time to time on here I've been guilty of seemingly overriding that right, and even though I may not like what someone say's don't give me the authority to disregard their rights.
b: Then, as for liking or disliking Ray, I have no reason not to like the man as I've never met him. Would my being nice toward such a person justify you're opinion that I should dislike him, or that you should dislike me? I have no personal animosity against any person on this board, and I find it difficult to understand why some of you feel I should have. Some feel that Ray's views on particular religious matters should upset me, but I'm comfortable enough with my own just knowing nobody can change it. Not even Ray. Its a different set of circumstances when someone is attacking our Country or our Constitution. Those are second only to my God and my family. I care not what religion someone chooses to believe in, but don't tread so far with it to be a threat to anything this nation was founded upon. History clearly spells it out, you can practice or believe any religion you want, but be aware of the fact that this nation was founded upon the principals of Christianity. Therefor, no other religion can just move in here and change that fact. Give me a little slack here you guy's, as I've not changed my attitude or Patriotic dedications one bit. I still get pissed and I'll still oppose anything or anyone who becomes a threat to this country. So what if I throw a few kind remarks in Ray' direction. What the hell harm have I done, or what sin have I committed? You're willing to condemn me for that? Damn, it sure don't take much, does it? I'm a friend to all you people, even those I disagree with, so think about that befor you get to harsh with me. OK?
D. wrote:
Fri Aug 24 07:47:22 2001
Dear Boots 7.5,
You said:
b: "Hell, I don't fully uderstand where he's coming from most of the time, just like the rest of you."
d: "History clearly spells it out, you can practice or believe any religion you want, but be aware of the fact that this nation was founded upon the principals of Christianity. Therefor, no other religion can just move in here and change that fact."
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d: I posted the following site yesterday, but if you missed it, please go find out Where he is "coming from". It is essential for American Christian Patriots to understand what this Spiritualality IS that Ray adheres to, and how it is infiltrating every segment of our society, and most especially, Christianity. The name is the same, (Christianity) however becuase of infiltration and doctrination, through incrementalism, the Message is changing. Please take a few minutes and educate yourself on this matter of great importance. This is NOT simply a matter of "religious" beliefs, it is a HUGE part of what is coming. Yes, let Ray believe what he will, but Beware of the lies of this Movement. God said, "MY PEOPLE are Destoyed for Lack of Knowledge". We must understand Where He Is Coming From! Many do, and have tried to explain the dangers of the thing to him, but he has closed his ears to the Truth. Ray, more than anyone needs to understand the roots of this mess he believes.
scriptural references snipped (rk)
http://www.diakrisis.org/
God Bless you, Boots
boots 7.5
Fri Aug 24 08:43:26 2001
Thank you D. for your kind words. I understand exactly what you're saying. I guess the best I can say is that Ray's philosophy is not so different from many others who promote false doctorine aside from a biblical perspective. How many do we see across the tube claiming Christianity, but promoting nothing more than financial schemes? I've come to accept the fact that little can be done to prevent people from becoming disillusioned, simply because they choose to accept or reject it by themselves. We can call them victims of brainwashing, which is rampid in our society, but as long as they accept it over reality there is little we can do about it. How do we confront someone who might choose to bow down to a Ray or anyone else?
b: I agree on your position and support it for the most part. Again D., all I was trying to do is offer a few kind words toward Ray. Has nothing to do with support of anything he say's or does. He knows he can't sway me from my position on Cristianity. He probably don't give a damn about my kind words either, but at least he can't say nobody ever gave them to him. Gee, I had no idea how much trouble a few kind words could cause. It's like everyone expects nasty remarks from me and it drives them nuts to learn I am capable of kindness also.
b: Whew,... !!! If I'm expected to say I'm sorry, I can't.
b: Thanks again for your kind words, and God Bless.
b: God Bless the Patriots.
snoop wrote:
posted 08-24-2001 02:21 PM
s: Do me a favor and give the source of the statement to the effect that 10 federales sent thousands of folks packing!
s: Somehow it doesn't sound to me as if it is correct. Were YOU there?
rk: Ah, the cowardly, anonymous Disinformation Agent who hides behind the handle "snoop" is trying to put words into my mouth in order to create
1.) a "contradiction in essence" and
2.) a misdirection.
rk: Perhaps, ole cowardly "snoop," you will point out the number you refer to (10 federales) from the two paragraphs I ACTUALLY WROTE. You'll find them at the bottom of this article.
rk: For a "spin doctor" who got caught, it shouldn't come as a total loss, however. Just scrape the egg off your face and HAVE AN OMELETTE!!
rk: As for the rest of America reading this, Internet Disinformation Agent "snoop" has just treated you to an actual demonstration of mind control. Did you pick up on it? Keep that in mind the next time you listen to your trusted network news.
rk: Isn't it interesting what a little misplaced trust and the comfort of familiarity can do to affect the future of a nation and its people? First commandment of IGNORAMUSES: "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN?"
rk: One last thing. I invite ALL to read the articles that are marked with *** on my bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
rk: Read for yourself the vicious libel campaign which has been launched and sustained by these government/media sponsored/supported disinformation agents over the years against me and my family. ALL OF THE LIBELS you read there HAVE THEIR ORIGIN in the same technique employed by SNOOP in this article.
rk: Sign the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html Let's hold a runaway tyrannical government responsible and TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, ALL WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT!!
WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE:
rk: Look at all the empty words, the sabre rattling, the fantasies running rampant in the minds of the inert on these newsgroups/forums/bulletin boards. Then observe what occured yesterday at Klamath Falls, Oregon when thousands traveled there only to go home when a few "feds" shut off the water -- WHEN THE SERVANTS SENT THE MASTERS PACKING. That was *A MOMENT OF TRUTH*! You see how it was met.
and
rk: But when a handful of Federal Agents can send 10,000 people packing home, you have your evidence of effective MIND CONTROL. Those "good do bees" who travelled from "five Western States" to Oregon could have stayed home and still have had the same effect, couldn't they?
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Let's review your history of fraud, shall we Ray?
Re: Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:42:15 GMT
From: Oregon Patriot (unknown)
Let's review your history of fraud for these people, shall we Ray? Attacking people as the "Mirror of Trvth" might work for perfect strangers who don't know about you, but let's take a hard look at reality:
1) You have never worked as a writer, as you claim.
2) You have never worked as a philosopher, as you claim.
3) You have never had a book published, as you claim. You and your wife paid to have a short screed copied at a local printer's shop, and can't make your money back after many years of desperately thrying to hawk it.
4) You have no publisher, as you claim. "Ark Enterprises" is you and your wife.
5) You have no "offices," as you claim. You never have had offices at a publisher or anywhere else, but think it will impress people and fake them into taking you seriously.
6) The publisher at Who's Who made it very clear you do not appear in Who's Who as you claim. They disavowed anything to do with you, and said your claims are lies.
7) You never went to college, as you claim. You barely graduated high school.
8) You never went to law school, as you claim. All the law schools where you claim you went disavow you were ever even admitted. Furher, when called on all these matters, you refuse to furnish any facts to disprove the results of the investigation. The people at Townsquare already know all this, but apparently you are still trying to pass off your fraud on other boards where your history of fraud and abuse is unknown. Living such a tissue of lies must be HELL, ISN'T IT? Who exactly do you think you are to attack others when virtually everything you say is a lie?
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You're an obvious sociopath
Your attempts at mind control are pathetic Ray
Fri Aug 24 14:35:54 2001
All this says is that anyone who disagrees with you is open to attack (In your terms "awakening," which is nothing but capitulation to your pathetic, blatent coersion). We already knew that. We also already knew you're a crackpot who has no clue what's he's talking about matters of constitutional law or governance, but is ready to assault anyone who doesn't just give him everything he wants for free. Nothing to admire, respect, or emulate in such an adolescent attitude old man, or in anyone who refuses to work to support himself, contrinute to society, but lives completely off the public dole instead. Shut up already if you have nothing meaningful to say, or (re-re-re-)post this to your damned Oregon board where people have to care because you're a clear and present danger there. I for one will not have my mind controlled by such an obvious sociopath as you.
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You're a vicious psycho, no doubt about it
Anonymous
Fri Aug 24 15:58:29 2001
Save your aggression you sociopath. No one gives a damn about your attacks on people on other forums. If you have nothing to say here, save your sociopathic behavior for the places you start your fights.
And we should take this seriously because...????
bart
Fri Aug 24 16:00:43 2001
Yet another juvenile tantrum out of you Ray? I notice you don't even have the decency to post the original post, wherever that was, just your excerpted version of things so you can attack a straw man. Your fraud is showing through again loud and clear.
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You're a vicious psycho Ray, no doubt about it
Re: Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!!
We need to understand (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:53:20 GMT
From: Save your aggression for Anita (unknown)
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Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!! We need to understand Where he is "coming from"
snoop wrote:
posted 08-24-2001 04:35 PM
Since my numbers were WRONG, does that make my question less worthy of an answer?
I am an agent of disinformation, just as you were personally sent on a mission to earth to educate we the sheeple.
I don't need five paragraphs of non-decsript purportedly descriptive verbiage.
I just NEED FACTS where you and your posts are concerned.
The statement you made was NOT about some ethereal occurance, but about the activities of REAL peole doing REAL things.
Or did thet escape you?
WERE YOU THERE?
Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:11:39 +0100
"Karl Senior" (karl.senior3@virgin.net) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: >> I agree to the fact that neither of you "know" where I am coming from. That is the problem which faces the vast majority of conditioned believers unable to fathom my words of Truth as they unfold before them on these newsgroups/forums.
rk: >> The point of my writing is to awaken the civilized people of this world to the effects that mind control has had and continues to have upon their "conditioned" perceptions.
ks: > SO what happens when you condition people to be awake......
rk: One cannot condition people to be awake. The spirit of your words demonstrate that you seek to lay an intellectual trap. For what purpose? Is it merely an attempt to elevate a sagging self-image through the empty illusion of worldly cleverness?
rk: A person "conditioned" to be awake is NOT AWAKE. Such an individual is, in actuality, a denizen of the intellectual world of BASSACKWARDS. They live on the other side of the "looking glass" where front is back, up is down, and confusion reigns supreme. In other words, they live in an artificially constructed world (called civilized) based in dualistic thought. It is a realm wherein they are relegated by their mind controlling leaders to being no more than a blind, compensating, obedient IGNORANT AUTOMATON, diminished and limited in their humanity by their "politically/religiously correct-thinking," conditioned perceptions.
rk: Having said that, now perhaps you can show me where I "condition" people to be awake. Do I not merely shock them into gaining *insight* into their own habitual "hypnotic sleep state?"
rk: The negation of Illusion (Neti Neti -- Not this, Not that) is a vastly different *timeless* iconoclastic energy than that of the *time-bound,* slow, incremental, long term habituation of another through "repetitive suggestion" employed by mind controlling Religious and Political Institutions.
ks: > All you are offering is just another form of conditioning.......
rk: Don't just shoot from the hip with such unsubstantiated "one-liners." Back up your empty statement with a little evidence which will point to "another form of conditioning......." Appearances don't count for much in a world of Truth. They only hold sway in a world of illusion ruled by the Satanic forces of Politics and organized Religion.
rk: You see, all you accomplish in this type of verbal trap setting is to reveal to the world the limitations of human language. Is not all language but a flawed instrument of communication when *desensitized* IGNORAMUSES can be conditioned to respond to the peripheral level of the "letter of the word" yet are incapable of grasping the deeper "Spirit of the Word," a level which may be grasped only through the quiet venue of telepathy. Such outer directed, habitually imposed limitations become the norm and are the means by which the dumbed-down multitudes are kept controllable and manageable by their mind control *handlers.*
rk: Another word for such IGNORANCE is UNAWARENESS.
rk: My message AWAKENS people to their True Estate of Divine Intelligence. You can see the Hell it has raised as is evident by the unrelenting attack upon it by those who have a *vested interest* in keeping you asleep.
ks: > If you don't believe this, try replying to this post without any conditioned response.......!
Karl
rk: I just did!!
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Ray's dilemma, in his own words...
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:31:28 GMT
From: Liberal Panda (unknown)
Ray: The point of my writing is to awaken the civilized people of this world to the effects that mind control has had and continues to have upon their "conditioned" perceptions.
Appearances don't count for much in a world of Truth. They only hold sway in a world of illusion ruled by the Satanic forces of Politics and organized Religion.
You see, all you accomplish in this type of verbal trap setting is to reveal to the world the limitations of human language.
Is not all language but a flawed instrument of communication when *desensitized* IGNORAMUSES can be conditioned to respond to the peripheral level of the "letter of the word" yet are incapable of grasping the deeper "Spirit of the Word," a level which may be grasped only through the quiet venue of telepathy.
My message AWAKENS people to their True Estate of Divine Intelligence.
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Okay, Ray, then why do you post? Why not use the "quiet venue of telepathy", since that is the only means of "grasping the deeper "Spirit of the Word'"?
Your use of the written and posted word is, by your own definition, worthless and unusable by us poor "conditioned, BASSACKWARDS, sheeple."
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So, if I understand what you have posted...
Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!! We need to understand (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:15:17 GMT
From: Liberal Panda (unknown)
appearance is an illusion and words are a trap. We are all conditioned to accept that which "appears" to be real and we are all "trapped" by using language to interact and express ourselves.
These are your words, Ray.
If these are true, then what assistance do you offer to us? That is your reason for posting, isn't it?
After all, there is nothing that anyone can ever say to you to change your mind, since our words are traps and our evidence is illusion and we are all conditioned by the powers that be anyway, so our efforts are controlled by others than ourselves, according to you.
So, since you do not seek interaction with the human race, based on those conditions you describe, then you must have something to offer US. Otherwise, what purpose could you POSSIBLY have for even posting to the conditioned masses in our own language?
I await your response, if any, and wait to see what you have to offer in the form of enlightenment and education. Otherwise, you are just wasting time.
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Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!! We need to understand Where he is "coming from"
Maybe Ray's right. Think about it...
Re: Ray posts because he's obsessive (He can't stop himself, he's sick)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:59:12 GMT
From: Liberal Panda (unknown)
Maybe the Bible IS part of a multi-national, multi-millenial, multi-governmental crowd control apparatus that has been in place at the highest levels for thousands of years. I don't believe it, but it is possible (if far-fetched) and not necessarily an insane notion.
Marx thought so, but then, Marx was the ultimate controller of people.
Ray seems to believe in a "Christ-consciousness" that can only be achieved when one rejects the word of man and attains "true consciousness" through meditation and communion with the "real God".
That belief seems to be the driving force behind Ray's posts and website and rejection of governmental authority at all levels.
The problem arises in the dilemma of trying to convince others of his beliefs using the only means available(language; words), means that he himself believes are unreliable and unworkable.
It is that dilemma that is evidence of madness, not his original beliefs. It is akin to believing that water is poison AND believing that REAL water is necessary to survival, then purporting to be the only person who knows the difference between water and REAL water, and then acting on that belief.
Worse, his insistence that appearances are meaningless and words are traps actually reinforces (to him) his stated belief that EVERYONE ELSE is "asleep" and "controlled" except HIM. That is textbook paranoia.
Ray is insane, if he is to be taken at face value. But that doesn't discredit his orginal belief in the fallacy of the Bible and organized religion, just his own attempts to convey those thoughts and convince others of their verity.
rk: Here you demonstrate the disinformation technique known as "CYA. (Government "parlance" for "cover your ass") -- reread your two prior posts above. Much too obvious, isn't it?
rk: I'm still waiting for you cowardly shadow dwelling yahoos to to back up your words with your true names/idenities but that would mean the end of your job, wouldn't it?
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My "job"? Oh, THAT!
Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!! We need to understand (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 03:53:22 GMT
From: LP (unknown)
My job as an paid agent of disinformation for the shadow government. THAT job. Well, you caught me, Ray. I confess.
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About Raymond Karczewski (for Liberal Panda)
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:38:31 GMT
From: Ray really does believe he's God (unknown)
You have fundamentally misunderstood what Raymond Karczewski is about. It's NOT that he simply believes the Bible has been used to control the massess, much as the Marxists believe. Ray has nothing to do with that, and would attack a Marxist as soon as he'd look at him. It is impossible to describe Ray's psychosis adequately in a few words, but Ray himself has repeatedly insisted on his belief that **he is God**, as witnessed by the following, in my mind, memorably psychotic post:
„« Raymond Karczewski (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote: „« Raymond Karczewski writes: > > ¡¥ "I AM Infinite. Therefore I AM YOU and > everything else that is NOT YOU." > > I AM the essence of HU (God) and MAN > ( animal)." > > "I AM the Infinite and the limited, rolled into > ONE. I embody the sum total of all of the > traits of humankind that have ever been > and are yet to be known. >
Put this together with his implacable will to threaten and damage anyone who doesn't acceopt him as their Lord and Savior, and you start to understand why this guy gets the reaction he gets from other people. He hasn't posted any threats about taking to the streets armed for awhile, but give him time: he always comes back to threatening people in the end. The man is recognizable sick and dangerous as all hell.
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Only for a very, very short time
Re: Ray is a fine one to be talking about gov. agents. (He used to be a police officer.)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:19:02 GMT
From: He only had a job for a very few years (unknown)
He was forcibly retired after only a couple of years. Ray's been unemployed many decades now.
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You mean you want to show up at people's doors
Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!!
We need to understand (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:16:18 GMT
From: Your threats are impotent (unknown)
Armed and threatening their families. The words speak for themselves, and you can't stand the truth of what they're saying. You don't need names and addresses Ray: deal with the truth for a change.
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Ray posts because he's obsessive
Re: Ray's dilemma, in his own words... (Liberal Panda)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:59:38 GMT
From: He can't stop himself, he's sick (unknown)
He can't not post. It's all he has in life. If he were to actually act on his own words, he'd shrivel up and die. In a strange, masochistic way, Ray needs to post to receive the negative reaction his outlandish arraognace gets: it feeds his narcissism, and conviction he is so dangerous to global order the New World Order government is actively plotting to silence him. Go figure!
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But Ray himself is trapped by every single syllable
Re: So, if I understand what you have posted... (Liberal Panda)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:36:33 GMT
From: Only he just doesn't realize it (unknown)
Ray is no more exempt from the division of experience in language than anyone else, and much more so given the **staggering verbosity** of his rants. What could someone like this possibly offer in terms of spiritual guidance when he above all is blind to the strict contradictions of his own claims? How could someone so unaware of the irony of his own behavior hope to overcome such fatal flaws?
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Perfect reflex Ray, so much so that...
Re: Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray-Ray!!!!! We need to understand (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:31:50 GMT
From: No more thorough condtioning than this (unknown)
Perfect reflex Ray, so much so that you really can't see how abolutely conditioned you really are. All your vain efforts here and God knows where else to make people think what you think they should think are nothing but the most hysterical example of mind control efforts imaginable. And, of course, when called on this, you reflexively reject what is perfectly obvious, in a perfectly conditioned response. You are stuck in a Skinner maze, only you are so thoroughly incapable of seeing past your own reductive and flat self-conditioning, you simply cannot understand even the most obvious thing. You really are walking, talking irony my man. There could be no better example of the real dangers of mind control than you.