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3 Aug 2001 13:26:10 -0700
shabd@hotmail.com (Michael Martin) wrote:
Bruce Morgen wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
mm: >> Bruce Morgen says I invented the Lazy Man's Yoga. I'll leave it to the sagacity of the readers to decide who invented it. From an old Usenet article:
MM: >> I'd say, not so succintly. He wrote, if I'm not mistaken, that meditation takes you to an abyss, then you have to jump. Sant Mat is for brave souls. It has to start here, even. We have to be brave enough to fight with our mind,
rk: Absolutely BASSACKWARDS, Michael. That's like "fighting for peace." What do you get when you fight? More fight!! One must stop the momentum of duality to understand true Peace.
BM: > One might as well box with ones shadow. Fighting an illusion simply perpetuates it!
rk: I have to agree with Bruce on that. By the way Bruce, Hi, long time no hear from!!
MM: >> No, it doesn't. Not fighting it, perpetuates it! We have to retrain it.
rk: Michael, listen to yourself. "fight, perpetuate, retrain." Are they not all based in an "unhealthy" state of a dualism-bound EGO?
rk: One must DIE to the ego, to be reborn of the Spirit. What you are proposing to people is to fight the Opposite of the Opposite, which leaves one damned if they do and damned if they don't, no matter where they stand.
rk: Peace IS. BEING HOLISTIC, it originates from neither of the fragmented opposites, but is the balance point which transcends the opposite and arises from the negation of all opposites. Neti Neti, eh?!!
mm: >> It won't suddenly become holy by itself. If we wait for that, we'll be waiting a long, long, time.
rk: Actually, Michael, it is NO TIME at all, for in that timeless moment of NOW, one's Spirit of Infinite Intelligence has has been resurrected from the timebound and is made MANIFEST.
mm: >> Adi Granth says that souls can wander aimlessly forever, in the lower species.
rk: I agree. The lower species is what I call IGNORAMUSES. Ask yourself why so many ignoramuses get angry at my use of that word. The answer is self-evident, is it not? Can you say "lower species," "hell bound," "slaves," "minions"? You see, Michael, there are many words to express the same "thought contaminated essence" made manifest.
mm: >> We need to attend to the meditation NOW, while we are humans. If we don't we might not get this human opportunity for a long time, if ever.
rk: Hell, isn't it?
MM: >> and not sit back, thinking some "spontaneous enlightenment," is suddenly going to fall on us.
rk: That's the dream of the "codependent," and the "wishful thinkers," is it not?
mm: >> The fight with the mind starts here, in the physical world, and it continues up to the stage of Par Brahm, where we leave the mind behind.
rk: The fight does not start here in the "physical" world. It begins at the subtle level of consciousness wherein the nondualistic energy of Truth is bifurcated into the dualistic energies of Satanically ruled Intellectual thought with its neverending opposites. It is only at this physical plane that such Hell arising from the subtle levels of thought is made MANIFEST.
rk: The plain and simple fact is, Michael, that that is what you are promoting with your meditation methodology, no more, no less. You just are unaware of who you "truly" serve through such ignorance.
mm: The path becomes easier.
rk: That is the illusion which accompanies all Habit, is it not?
mm: That is where Sahaj Samadhi begins, and the soul is free to soar to its True Home.
rk: No, Michael, that is where self-hypnosis begins and one becomes desensitized to his downward spiraling unawareness.
BM: >> Very poetic, but very specific to Sant Mat practice. He mentions what meditation can't do. Intentional practice has stark limitations, if it is effective it will reveal those limitations.
MM: >> Not if we're following a True Master.
rk: There are NO conditions to Truth, so your phrase "Not if' is telling us more than you may wish to reveal about the State of Consciousness you have been busily promoting for so many years on these newsgroups.
mm: >> If we are, then we will win the victory over the mind one day.
rk: Ah! Victory-Defeat!! Sounds dualistic to me. How does it sound to you?
mm: >> There is nothing it can't do, as meditation makes us one with the Supreme Being. It makes us omnipotent.
rk: I submit you are talking through your hat, Michael. You haven't got a clue as to the essence of True Meditation.
BM: > Absurd. Nothing incarnate is "omnipotent."
MM:>> Saints are not ordinary human beings, IMHO. They are one with the Lord.
rk: Takes one to understand one, does it not? Otherwise such words are but empty rhetoric tripping off the tongue of the verbally talented but patently ignorant, is it not?
BM: > Since I've mentioned Christopher, his website has some interesting insights regarding some famous personages on the "spiritual scene" that imo make for worthwhile reading: http://www.clipper.net/~calder/Osho.html
MM: >> I went to one of his sites, and I read his negative viewpoint on the Guru's Mantra. If I'm not mistaken, he thinks it (repetition) is some sort of a joke.
rk: IT IS!! Repetition is the reinforcement necessary to establish a conditioned, Hell-bound, mechanical, habitual life --The existence suffered by the vast majority of civilized mankind.
J. Krishnamurti: Meditation is not the repetition of the word,
MM: >> Simran (repetition) is one of the three steps of Sant Mat. It is considered part of the meditation by Sant Mat. It is a preliminary to the Shabd, but it is indispensable.
rk: Indispensable to inducing an hypnotic trance, eh?
J. Krishnamurti: nor the experiencing of vision,
MM: >> Sant Mat says that without opening our inner vision we can't make any significant progress.
J. Krishnamurti: nor the cultivating of silence.
MM: >> The silence, or stillness of the mind, comes about as a result of the repetition. We experience it, just prior to seeing the light, and hearing the sound. Walt Whitman referred to it, as a holy calm descending on him.
J. Krishnamurti: The bead and the word do quieten the chattering mind, but this is a form of self-hypnosis.
MM: >> If it stills the mind, then call it that. Words are just words. Mind must be stilled, regardless what word you apply to it.
J. Krishnamurti:
You might as well take a pill. -- J. Krishnamurti
MM: >> Taking a pill won't train the mind to sit still at will.
rk: The key word in your sentence is "train" Michael. Meditate on that and you will see where you have spent your life.
mm: >> Taking a pill won't convert us into Mystic Adepts.
rk: Neither will TRAINING!!
mm: It's obvious that J. Krishnamurti didn't understand the concept of training the mind.
rk: He understood it ALL TOO WELL!!
mm: Actually, it is the best way to control the mind, and make it sit still.
rk: In other words, Michael, when you are not "Resisting Evil" when "Trying" to control the MIND, you are RESISTING EVIL when the MIND is controlling you. Now, meditate on this: Who are you? What is Mind? If you are True to the Meditation, "you" are in for a rude "awakening," oh aspiring Guru!!
BM: The "control the mind" is an exercise in futility -- to see the origin of "mind" in thought is much more to the point!
MM: I've done it, Bruce, so I know it was not futile.
rk: The flaw in your statement, Michael, is in the phrase "I know." When the word *Understand* effortlessly replaces the word "know," and it is not a deliberate affectation on your part, you will have transcended the dualistic realm of knowledge and be atone with the infinite energy of the Nondualistic Divine you so readily "TALK ABOUT!"
mm: >> I have said that the origin of mind is beyond the second stage, in the Shabd of the third stage. We have to train all three minds to sit still, if we hope to achieve that lofty level. Also, we need to follow a True Master.
rk: Such complication is the Satanic "manservant" of confusion which leads to power. Confusion is found NOWHERE but in the dualistic Intellect. Are you beginning to See who you have truly been serving all these years, Michael?
mm: >> The line of Masters has been teaching us this for ages. So, I have to disagree with Mr. Calder. I have 37 years of experience with meditation.
rk: As the song "16 Tons" expresses -- All you get is "another day older and deeper in debt. St. Peter don't you call me for I can't go, I OWE MY SOUL TO THE COMPANY STORE!!" Shocking, isn't it, Michael? It's time to turn in your Guru beads. You've been on the path of illusion much too long.
BM: "By their fruits," Michaelji, not by length of practice!
MM: What do you think I've been doing? Hiding? Would you consider thousands and thousands of posts discussing the truth, as fruits?
rk: No, not fruits Michael. Just "the PITS!!"
Mr. Calder can certainly offer us his experience. There is nothing wrong with mentioning it.
Michael http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/michaelmartinwesternsatguru
9 Aug 2001 11:44:10 -0700
shabd@hotmail.com (Michael Martin) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
"Dave Stubblefield" (stubblef@iolnm.net) wrote in message news:(01c12027$f9274bc0$69eefed1@default)...
ds: >> I keep hearing about masters and gurus. I am told we all have to have them or we are lost. Hmmm, wonder how far back this goes? Who was the first master's, Master?
rk: Where else? The Intellect's projection of a "prime mover", eh? Such is the illusory alpha and omega, the beginning and end of projected, postulating compartmentalized dualistic thought expressing that OF WHICH it can never understand due to its own inherent, intellectual limitations.
ds: >> Anyone can access the truth. It only takes releasing all the other stuff. Truth is Truth, it is not hiding in the words of a master. I am not saying that having a master, guru or teacher is bad, I am saying that at some point YOU must transcend. No master can do this for you. They can lead you the edge... if you will follow. But you - God are really doing the leading, the learning and the transcending.
rk: Yes, while the holistic (Holy Spirit) nondualistic spirit of *Infinite" Intelligence may form the words of a nondualistic "TALK OF", the finite dualistic intellect can only bandy about peripheral words of a rote-learned "TALK ABOUT."
ds: >> The illusion is an indespencible tool in the process... but not to be taken too seriously. I don't believe that there is a set arduous Karmic path to be traveled. I am not saying here that there is no Karma. I am saying that you can put you Karma down and walk away any time you choose.
rk: You bet!! Die to the Intellect in matters nontechnical and be Reborn of the Spirit. That's the simplicity of it all.
mm: If that were true, then we'd all be Saints, wouldn't we?
rk: Or Christs without Amnesia!!
mm: > What you wrote is right, techinically, but that is a huge IF. We haven't done that for ages, and mind has so many bad habits, now.
rk: Can you even see the pettiness of thought which holds fast your inert intellect? You do not speak of direct perception, an unmistakable vibration which resonates atone with the nondualistic essence of Truth. Your words vibrate with the familiar emptiness of rhetoric gained through rote, habitual, memorization and its reinforced approval of a Guru who forms and manipulates your habitual thought patterns. Such is the giveaway of the "Living Dead" victimized by Mind Control.
mm: We could all be God, at once, if our mind was pure.
rk: Is that like "coulda woulda, shoulda"? What fantasy the spirituallly blind continually engage in, eh? Yet there are LEGIONS who would follow in the wake of such blindness. Such is the nature of the "blind leading the blind."
mm: > For most of us, we will need to purge the mind of its bad, sinful, habits, until we can rise above all the negativity. For that we should find someone who has already done that, to inspire us.
rk: Your word "inspire" is a dead giveaway, is it not michael? You demand that another, an outside agency, an authority, a Guru, transfer the "BREATH OF LIFE" into the living dead. Do you see your codependent intellectual link betrays you with your every word?
ds: >> You only need to see enough of the illusion to awaken to your seeking and begin. You will pull to you all the pieces you need to make your way. There is no single set of rules that govern your journey outside of God - you.
ds: >> Namaste' Buckaroos!
mm: Well, Good Luck, it sounds like you think you can do it without a Guru.
rk: That is the ONLY WAY one comes to atonement with TRUTH. Isn't that what "ALONE" means ---- "ALL ONE?"
rk: Certainly one can see that It MUST be done without a Guru, otherwise it is a fiction, a codependent illusion of a hell-bound, dualism based "TALK ABOUT" busily expressing himself in the borrowed dualism based, religious rhetoric of pretentious experts?
mm: As I mentioned, technically, we could all be one with God, if it were not for our own mind, which blocks the way.
rk: MIGHTY BIG IF, is it not? Now either DO IT, then "TALK OF" your direct experience, or continue as you have for the last 37 years deluding yourself and others as you "TALK ABOUT" that ESSENCE of which you haven't a clue.
mm: Somebody said, that it is easier to move a mountain, than to conquer our own mind. So, good luck.
Michael
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/michaelmartinwesternsatguru
rk: Luck has NOTHING to do with it!!
13 Aug 2001 13:07:22 -0700
shabd@hotmail.com (Michael Martin)
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote in message news:)3B73D3EE.89B84663@internetcds.com)...
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rk: >>>> You bet!! Die to the Intellect in matters nontechnical and be Reborn of the Spirit. Thats the simplicity of it all.
mm: >>> If that were true, then we'd all be Saints, wouldn't we?
rk: >> Or Christs without Amnesia!!
mm: > You mentioned the simplicity. Obviously, it is not that simple, or this world would be full of Saints.
rk: " it is not that simple" -- certainly not to conditioned Intellectuals who have sold their souls to the Ruler of the Intellect and find they are soon bound to the realm of the Bassackward where up is down and down is up, front is back and back is front, right is wrong and wrong is right, etc., etc, etc.!!
mm: > Also, if it were that simple, the Almighty would not have had to send so many Guruavatars to our level to save us.
rk: No one can save You but You! Each of us is our own Messiah, our own Saviour. Yet the foolish, the fearful, and the consensus ruled codependent readily and hastily give up their sovereignty and sell their soul for the measly promise of a mess of Satan's Pottage -- SECURITY! The fact that you promote such codependence is only evidence of your BASSACKWARD State of Consciousness.
mm:>> > What you wrote is right, techinically, but that is a huge IF. We haven't done that for ages, and mind has so many bad habits, now.
rk: >> Can you even see the pettiness of thought which holds fast your inert intellect?
mm: > I thought your mention of "simplicity," was petty, actually. Couldn't you see that?
rk: Nothing petty about simplicity. Simplicity itself is the elemental fabric of the Infinite.
rk: >> You do not speak of direct perception, an unmistakable vibration which resonates atone with the nondualistic essence of Truth.
mm: > We learn the truth about the Master by going within. We can't judge him accurately any other way.
rk: You're fighting a losing battle with yourself, michael, yet you relish in such public self-degradation. Tis a slippery slope indeed when one is blind as to where he places his footing. Do not be so proud of your Spiritual blindness. It only makes you out to be a blind and overcompensating fool when you find yourself in the company of the Spiritually Sighted.
rk: >> Your words vibrate with the familiar emptiness of rhetoric gained through rote, habitual memorization and its reinforced approval of a Guru who forms and manipulates your habitual thought pattern.
mm: > Well, as I already mentioned to judge Saints outwardly won't be successful. Some Saints have even been illiterate. Some thought Jesus to be only the son of a carpenter. They gave the poison hemlock to Socrates. Peter was crucified. Paul was beheaded. It is not so easy to pass judgments on the Saints.
rk: Why tarry at the periphery when the journey requires serious and in depth exploration? Michael, you are but a dilettante with an overblown estimation of himself.
rk: >> Such is the giveaway of the "Living Dead" victimized by Mind Control.
mm: > You gave yourself away, as far as I'm concerned, with your erroneous idea that we can judge a Saint outwardly.
rk: Point out the source of such judgement of saints. I certainly have not made any such comment(s), have I? Such comments have arisen from you, michael. Are you beginning to see how your own intellect betrays you, michael?
mm: > It is only by means of meditation, that we can know the truth about a Saint.
rk: It is only by means of meditation, silence, that one can understand TRUTH. First the Truth of Oneself and then the Truth of All Else, for Truth is ONE. That was the essence of the message Jesus spoke OF when He said " I AM the Truth, the Life, and the Way, No man cometh unto the Father (source) but by Me (TRUTH). Where there is atonement with the holistic vibration of TRUTH, the dualistic Intellect is DEAD! Its unrelenting chattering has come to an end and all there is is WHAT IS, and ONE IS THAT!! That is the I AM THAT I AM. No man can give that to you, Saint or otherwise. You, michael, are in a comfortable ditch with the rest of your blind and acquisitive codependent groupies, are you not?
mm: >>> We could all be God, at once, if our mind was pure.
rk: >> Is that like "coulda woulda, shoulda"?
mm: > I was replying to you ridiculous assumption of "simplicity."
rk: The fact that you should regard "simplicity" as a "ridiculous assumption" is evidence of your BASSACKWARDNESS, is it not, michael?
rk: >> What fantasy the spiritually blind continually engage in, eh?
mm: > I think, it is a fantasy if we think we can pass judgment on the Saints.
rk: Again, who is it that is compelled to bring up repeatedly this notion of passing judgment on the Saints? See what I mean about betrayal and self-indictment of a prideful but diminished ego? By the way, michael, does your knee twitch when you pass judgment on the Saints?
rk: >> Yet there are LEGIONS who would follow in the wake of such blindness. Such is the nature of the "blind leading the blind."
mm: >Do you think people should follow you?
rk: I challenge you to find a single word in the THOUSANDS of articles I have written on the Internet which would substantiate any claim of my being a Guru in search of followers. You are merely expressing your own self doubts and reservations as you peer closely into the Mirror of Truth, are you not?
mm: >>> For most of us, we will need to purge the mind of its bad, sinful, habits, until we can rise above all the negativity. For that we should find someone who has already done that, to inspire us.
rk: >> Your word "inspire" is a dead giveaway, is it not, michael? You demand that another, an outside agency, an authority, a Guru, transfer the "BREATH OF LIFE" into the living dead. Do you not see that your codependent intellectual link betrays you with your every word?
mm: > I think a Master is indispensable for God-Realization. My teachings are clear. Without a Master, we would be like a ship going around in circles, without a rudder.
rk: If that were so, how do you account for the countless number of shipwrecks where the master went down with the ship and crew? There's that damned ditch full of the blind leading the blind again, isn't it?
ds: >>>> You only need to see enough of the illusion to awaken to your seeking and begin. You will pull to you all the pieces you need to make your way. There is no single set of rules that govern your journey outside of God you.
ds: >>>> Namaste' Buckaroos!
mm: >>> Well, Good Luck, it sounds like you think you can do it without a guru.
rk: >> That is the ONLY WAY one comes to atonement with TRUTH. Isn't that what "ALONE" means -- "ALL ONE?"
rk: >> Certainly one can see that IT MUST be done without a Guru. Otherwise it is a fiction, a codependent illusion of a hell-bound, dualism based "TALK ABOUT" busily expressing himself in the borrowed dualism based religious rhetoric of pretentious experts.
mm: > We must pass through the "eye of the needle," as Christ mentioned. Humility makes us small enough to pass through. Without a Master, we would be like camels trying to pass through the eye of the needle.
rk: "Humility makes us small enough to pass through..." What unmitigated hubris you express, and you really thought you could get away with it, eh? See what I mean about BASSACKWARDNESS?
mm: >>> As I mentioned, technically, we could all be one with God, if it were not for our own mind, which blocks the way.
rk: >> MIGHTY BIG IF, is it not? Now either DO IT and then "TALK OF" your direct experience, or continue as you have for the last 37 years, deluding yourself and others as you "TALK ABOUT" that ESSENCE of which you haven't a clue.
mm: > I will share whatever I feel the need to share. Thank you. I don't need you to direct my ministry.
rk: Your ministry, eh? Minister, Heal Thyself. Make whole the fragment so unaware of its limitations and ignorance. Seek not to escape into the numbers of equally blind IGNORAMUSES so that one's own IGNORANCE appears to be INTELLIGENCE when COMPARED with others.
mm: >>> Somebody said, that it is easier to move a mountain, than to conquer our own mind. So, good luck.
mm: >>> Michael
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/michaelmartinwesternsatguru
rk: >>: Luck has NOTHING to do with it!!
mm: > Adi Granth says those with a perfect destiny will meet the Master and realize God. Karma is the same as luck. Some of us have good luck, and some have bad. So, it has everything to do with it.
Michael
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/michaelmartinwesternsatguru
Sun, 05 Aug 2001 17:06:43 GMT
queenkristine@thecastle.com (kristine) wrote:
Harrison Numbugger (leftofcenter@peace.now) wrote:
hn: > you do NOT have a constitutionally protected right to travel, and most certainly do not have a constitutionlly protected right to travel by automobile.
rk: Most certainly do! You must not confuse Common Law with the Statutory Civil Law of Admiralty-Maritime courts which have jurisdiction over regulated activities of Trade, Commerce, Business, Industry and/or through the consent of the uninformed populace who unknowingly and/or coercively have waived their Rights by entering into the contract for licensing thereby giving their consent to be prosecuted. A Freeman's Rights are protected through the Common Law of which, in this country, the final adjudicator is the U.S. Supreme Court.
hn: Even if you did, that would certaionly not imply that you do not have to be licenesed to drive an automobile or motor vehicle. your entire premise is false.
rk: Most certainly does. See above! What is a license, if not a contract? No government body can compel a Freeman to enter into a contract against his will. Wouldn't such action be the very definition of TYRANNY?!!
rk: The US SUPREME COURT HAS SAID: "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491.
hn: Take reponsibility for your lactions, pay your fine and get on with life.
rk: I AM being responsible in exposing this government tyranny upon the unaware, dumbed-down, public school-conditioned American People, am I not? To capitulate to Tyranny is not the act of a responsible man but that of a "bowing and scraping, face saving, and fearful slave doing the bidding of his Master.
kc: bRat relies on fifty year old case law that stated that it is illegal to prohibit people from traveling public roadways...but as usual, bRat refuses to look beyond the surface and understand exactly what the case law really states. it stems from a case that arose from certain groups of people in the south being prevented from getting to church and voting booths by police blocking roads and harrassing drivers etc.
rk: Your misdirection in the stated case above is clearly your own construction. I have not read that case. You'll find no evidence of it in my writings on this issue of Rights vs Privilege. As habitual and predictable as they are, these misdirections have come to be expected on these newsgroups/forums. You and other disinformation agents who have infiltrated these Internet newsgroups/forums make up these fictitious scenarios as you go along just to confuse and obfuscate. The cardinal sin of a Disinformation Agent would be to STAY ON POINT, wouldn't it?
rk: Thou shalt not attempt to put words into the mouth of Raymond Karczewski!!
kc: bRat has erroneously applied this civil rights case to his own circumstance of being prevented from driving wherever he chooses, however he chooses without a valid driver's license. he has two unpaid traffic violations and is outraged that a cop stopped him for failure to use a turn signal when he, bRat, couldn't see anyone. after all, shouldn't we as private citizens decide when and where we choose to apply the law of the land?
rk: I merely have stood fast in exposing two separate and distinct acts of tyranny committed upon this freeman by scamming government officials bent upon enriching the States (King's) coffers in "the name of the law" -- America's Corporate Law.
kc: bRat is a pathetic man with a huge ego and a tiny brain. --
kristine
queen of the undead afab army
* * * * * * * * * *
i'm an agent of satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial
rk: Yet you are compelled like others to respond to my words? What does that tell you about yourself? Hell, isn't it?
Always amazed wrote:
Raymond Karczewski, (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Sun Aug 5 17:06:59 2001
aa: Why post more stupid, sick brawls here?
rk: The simple answer to that is that a Mirror of Truth can only reflect the dark-spirited "sick brawlers" who attack the image they see reflected before them. Hell, isn't it?
aa: Ray, why didn't you get it the first several times? No one cares about your mental illness, or the asinine fights you have with scores of people elsewhere.
rk: "Scores of people?" Don't you mean a few government/media sponsored/supported anonymous mind-controlling disinformation agents hiding behind their "scores" of "sockpuppets?"
aa: No one. This has nothing to do with the Constitution or anything this board exists to exchange ideas over, only the extreme mental illness of an obviously disturbed, hate-filled man.
rk: All you need do now is come out from behind your mask and PROVE IT, oh anonymous, cowardly libeler!!!
aa: It doesn't take much insight to see you desperately need psychiatric attention, now.
rk: Identify yourself. Stand by your words. You've been challenged!! Prove your statements. Otherwise you reveal yourself to the world for what you are -- A vicious, malevolent, cowardly. slinking shadow dweller.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Mr. K., it would enhance you credibility here if you
Re: Justice? In Oregon?!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 00:33:40 GMT
From: Hal (unknown)
would identify some of the disinformation agents that are sponsored and supported by government and the media. You say they are anonymous and engage in mind control. But you obviously have some inside information that the rest of us don't have. Your help will be appreciated.
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Still inventing your enemies, Ray?
Re: Justice? In Oregon?!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 00:54:59 GMT
From: Bert (bert@thgirpeekciffartrewols.moc>)
Well, glad to see you're still at it I guess, there doesn't seem to be much point in attempting to dissuade you from your statements and viewpoint in general, and yet once again, despite my better judgment I hereby choose to throw my hat in the ring.
The last paragraph of your post accused someone of being a 'shameless shadow-dweller' or some such. Hardly the language of a peaceful, open dialogue on the subject of the (il)legality of your anti-licensing efforts, now is it? You yourself have become, perhaps you are even the seminal, one of the worst mudslingers on this board, and the only redeeming grace you still cling to is that you abstain from the use of profanity. Beyond that, most of your material still amounts to childish name-calling and angry retorts.
This is all just as well, I suppose, it is a comfort to me that the state saw fit to nab your wheels, after all you'd probably end up in the left lane of the freeway or something, campaigning for your right to drive 65 in the fast lane, with a whole herd of unhappy people directly behind you, probably including me.
The public road is no place for folks to take their fits of self righteous indignation, and it's just as well you're not on it. It is painfully obvious that your 'stick in the mud' approach is of such magnitude that it can't help but manifest itself in other areas of your life, Ray, so for my 2 cents worth, I'm happy I don't have to share the road with you at all.
Happy walking! Bert
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Yeah. It'd be great to have you insane & armed at the door
Re: Justice? In Oregon?!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:11:47 GMT
From: F**king dangerous and delusional. (unknown)
Do you still not understand? No one is going to give you the means to come to their homes and attack their families. You can forget the hysteria about getting people's names: you're damned dangerous, delusional, and out of control.
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:53:49 GMT
From: Do you have any evidence in the least??? (unknown)
unk: Follow-up question for Raymond Karczewski
unk: Mr. K., it would enhance you credibility here if you (Hal)
unk: Why do you posit the government has anything to do with these frivolous little forum fights you are constantly having, and it is not just a question of a lot of individuals who don't take your claims seriously?
rk: I have no "frivolous little forum fights" with anyone. I merely expose the ACTUAL duplicity, viciousness, and corruption of government/media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation individuals who take my claims VERY VERY SERIOUSLY!
rk: Think not? Would you, after 6 years of failure, of constant embarrasment which requires the need for unending name changes and the donning of false identities to allow you to continue, still invest this ENORMOUS amount of time, energy, and conspiratorial focus upon the personal destruction of the reputation of ONE man?
rk: Yes, America, my charges against our Government/Media ARE SERIOUS INDEED! The fact that the populace is unmoved by such evidence is itself damning testimony as to the American Public's diminished capacity as functional, perceptive, sovereign human beings.
rk: Harsh observation? Does it reflect the conditioned inertia and apathy common to mind controlled Sheeple? ---- You bet!!
rk: Ask yourself -- why do you suppose the government, the White House, Senators, Congressmen, and Media officials on down, have not come down HARD on Raymond Karczewski and/or the issue of mind control/disinformation experiments being conducted upon unwary users of the Internet, but have chosen instead to STONE WALL the American Public? Therein lies the REST OF THE STORY!
unk: This looks like you're being flamed to me, and I can see no reason at all the government would waste a moment of time on your forum problems. Do you have any evidence at all for your acusation, or is this just more of the same paranoid nonsense you're always spamming here?
rk: You already know the answer to that question, don't you, oh anonymous cowardly one?
rk: Below is "aa's" "sockpuppet" response to "unk's" "sockpuppet" question.
rk: Not much different from the days of ventriloquist Edgar Bergen and his dummy Charlie McCarthy, eh?
aa: Your paranoid delusions Raymond
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:55:56 GM
From: Always amazed (unknown)
aa: It doesn't help to feed this guy's delusions. Patriotism has nothing to do with paranoia about government/media-sponsored/controlled/funded/inspired/organized (etc., etc., etc. until the end of itme) disinformation agents.
rk: Aside from your misdirecting spin, where is your evidence to back that statement up? I have THOUSANDS of *archived posts* to substantiate my statements.
aa: It is about mature, responsible people taking mature rsponsibility for themselves and society. This nonsense has nothing to do with nothing but Ray's dramatic sickness.
aa: First affix your true name to back up your words, then reveal the "dramatic sickness" you speak of. Is it your intention to cowardly hide behind masks and irresponsibly "TALK ABOUT" mature responsibility, or drop the masks, identify yourself, and ACTUALLY BE responsible for your words and actions? Let us see how the hypocrite "always amazed" faces such a "moment of Truth," shall we?
aa: He got busted for posing a threat on the public highways,
rk: Perhaps you'll enlighten the public as to the nature and the actual charges against another which you have characterized as "posing a threat" on the public highway.
rk: All these misdirections fall apart when you find that you must deal with the facts, do they not, oh cowardly shadow dweller?
aa: and if you were the one on the road threatened by him, you would want him to stop acting like a child.
rk: Again, state the actual threat posed by my actions that disturb you so greatly.
aa: His position about licensing is a based on a fundamental lack of understanding on what the Constitution says, and mentally ill displays only drag adult exchanges of ideas about proper government into the his little personal maelstrom of hate, vituperation, and ignorance.
rk: I predict that when the dust settles on this Rights vs. Privilege issue, the face-saving government will also be slinking into the shadows along with you and your other equally anonymous disinformation cohorts rather than deal with this issue openly, decisively, and justly.
rk: That is, of course, if the PRETENSE that we are still a nation governed by our U.S. Constitution continues to serve the PR agenda of an errant government busily selling out the American People to the New World Order. When the U.S. CONSTITUTION is suspended and martial law is declared, ALL BET ARE OFF!!!
rk: UNTIL THAT TIME.... UNTIL THAT TIME...!!!
To: U.S. Congress
This is a petition aimed at the legislative branch of the United States Government to pass H.R.1146. This is the resolution for the United States to end it's membership and leave the United Nations (U.N.). This act is cited as the American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 1999. This petition stands as the demand of the American people to remain as a free and independant people of a soveriegn United States of America. Your signing this petition states that you, as an American, demand to remain as a free American and not to become a state under the control of the United Nations nor to be assimilated in the UN's call for globalization.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
Sign the Petition authored by James Kane HERE!!
rk: The following is a forgery. (Note the email address)
rk: The words are mine, taken from my home page, but I did not post the following article on the town square forum.
rk: Note the sockpuppet responses to it.
rk: Start paying attention America, YOU ARE BEING HAD!!
rk Be aware when you read articles supposedly "authored" by Raymond Karczewski -- THEY MAY NOT BE MINE!!
rk: And you folks think I am not stepping on some government/media toes, eh?
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:20:43 GMT
From: Ray Karczewski (arkent@www.arkenterprises.com)
Are you a Christ with amnesia? Do not be quick to prejudge and dismiss such a question as nonsense. With an open mind, step into the ethereal dimension of ancient secrets known and taught by the great world teachers, and you realize they all have spoken one simple truth to mankind: "We are all one."
The direct realization of this immutable fact is the key which unlocks the prison of the intellectual, mind-based hell man has created for himself on this earth. Understanding how one's wholistic nature has been stripped away through hypnotic pressures of living in a civilized society restores balance and clarity to one's life.
Do you possess the discernment to separate truth from fictitious images? If each of us had this ability, this collective world "of our own making" would never experience another day of war, poverty, starvation, violence, suffering or exploitation.
Change in our world must start with change in ourselves. This is the only "new world order" necessary to bring peace to this planet. I guarantee you will never hear this message from your pulpit or government, regardless of where you live in the world. These tapes are a serious threat to the "present status quo." They contain a message your political and religious leaders do not want you to hear. The reason for it is quite obvious--their carefully constructed psychological hold over you would be broken, and they would lose their power.
1. Jesus didn't have that message. He came to divide. by Chris, 8/10/01
1. Ray came up short on that one I guess by It's your own EGO that damns you Ray, 8/10/01
2. You'll never unload that crap Ray by Your Vanity Tapes are Worthless, 8/10/01
3. Why is everything you post in all caps? Why scream? by Find an adult way of expressing yourself, 8/10/01
4. You above all have forgotten Christ by Pretty ironic the crap you try & peddle, 8/10/01
A very important request by Don't make this one of your jokes Ray, 8/10/01
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
An open apology to Ray Karczewski...
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:25:23 GMT
From: Liberal Panda (unknown)
I did it!
I am the creep who copied a passage from your book and pasted it onto the forum.
Does that make me an "Internet Disinformation Agent"? I guess so, but really it was just a prank to see how people would respond to your own words.
The reponse was predictable and, sadly, so was yours.
I apologize for pulling a prank on you and the forum readers, even though the words I posted were, in fact, yours. Or, I am part of a huge conspiracy to discredit you and suppress your knowledge and try to poison the minds of the "sheeple".
You decide -- whatever helps you get your 20 minutes of sleep each night.
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Your psychiatric turmoil
Re: Re: Justice? In Oregon?!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:15:46 GMT
From: You're too desperate for approval (unknown)
I'm sorry to see you are so overwrought with psychic upset Raymond. Perhaps seeing a psychiatrist would help. There is no need to live such a paranoid, sad existence. It may well be nothing more than depression and self-hate. You're better off turning your vision inward to find out why are you are eaten away by anger and aggression than to continue your unending and meaningless attacks against, quite literally, the whole of existence. Again. I feel very, very sorry for someone as obviously desperate for attention and approval as you are.
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The REAL reason your ass gets flamed constantly
Re: Justice? In Oregon?!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:07:56 GMT
From: It's your preposterousEGO you obese jerk (unknown)
Ray, it's so simple even you can understand it. It's your ego, your preposterous, monstrously overwrought meglomania. I have never in my life met anyone a fraction as conceited and aggressive as you are. You are, in fact, so ludicrous in this regard I sometimes think you're a forum prank, but then you post something that makes me think you actually believe what you post here about yourself. In other words, this obviously has nothing to do with the government, or any imagined plot against you by global powers. It's just your own insane meglomania that's getting flamed, that's all. You can give it a rest you conceited ass.
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:25:23 GMT
From: Liberal Panda (unknown)
lp: I did it!
lp: I am the creep who copied a passage from your book and pasted it onto the forum.
rk: You can't tell anything straight and accurate, can you? That wasn't a passage from my book, but a synopsis from my Web Site. http://www.arkenterprises.com/christs.htm
lp: Does that make me an "Internet Disinformation Agent"? I guess so, but really it was just a prank to see how people would respond to your own words.
rk: Why does your "In your Face" Confession ring with the identical energy as that of AFAB BULLIES dr. digger and vanilla gorilla? See for yourself!!
dr. digger wrote:
d: Fuck that right! I'm guilty! ...
d: I, for one, have already tried to turn myself in to the FBI. As you recall, I called the Medford Resident Agency, and offered to assist them in their investigation. Not only did they not want to hear my confession, but they weren't interested in questioning me, nor even in talking to me! After a month, no Special Agent has shown up at my door!
d: Now look, I have waived all my 5th amendment rights! I confess! I have ridiculed you, blocked your posts, libeled you, called you a fucking liar repeatedly, denied you your freedom of speech, and conspired with others to do all the above! Is there anything else? I confess to everything! I admit I'm guilty as a at with canary feathers all over its puss! What more do you possibly need, bRaaay?
d: Now, where's my everluvven FBI agent, you bottom-feeding motherfucker?
and vanilla gorrilla:
vg: This is called "oligarchy", or "rule by the elite". It's supposed to be this way, and I am fully in favor of it. People like me rule people like you, because we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you. Frankly, we couldn't care less, whether you or anyone else are aware of it, as you are far too impotent to be able to do anything about it.
rk: AMERICA, he is talking to you, isn't he? Can you be as OBTUSE as he makes you out to be? After all, he makes no bones about it, does he? He expresses the very essence of *Elitist Rule* of the coming New World Order, and he tells you exactly where YOU fit in.
vg: Ever wonder why almost five years of your plaintive wailing have had NO effect, whatsoever? Well, wonder no more, Fat Boy. We know. You know. We know that YOU know, and now, you know that WE know. We just don't give a shit. Your poor, minuscule intellect cannot even comprehend its own insignificance. It's the old "mind over matter" problem, we don't mind, and you don't matter.
vg: It's like this: If you were good enough, you'd be in charge now.
vg: It's so simple, even you should have been able to figure it out, before now, but you haven't.
rk: Anybody notice the ABSOLUTE NEED for these pathetic, shadow dwelling, self-professed "superior" creatures to employ multiple masks of anonymity in order to "protect" their professional/personal identities?
rk: America is in for a *great surprise* when the STONE WALL of SILENCE surrounding this Government/Media sponsored/supported Internet Mind Control/Disinformation Experiment finally comes tumbling down exposing the identities behind the masks as well known media names. These are the people who rule you, America. You have just had a momentary glimpse of the "man/men behind the curtain," shorn of their PR Image. There is NO WIZARD -- Only those who would enslave you. Is this not the "oligarchy", or "rule by the elite" mentioned in v.g.'s post above? You now know what they actually think of you.
lp: The reponse was predictable and, sadly, so was yours.
lp: I apologize for pulling a prank on you and the forum readers, even though the words I posted were, in fact, yours.
rk: Why should that surprise anyone? None of you have the capacity to operate in life with either integrity or intelligence. You mistake cleverness for Intelligence. How smart is that?
lp: Or, I am part of a huge conspiracy to discredit you and suppress your knowledge and try to poison the minds of the "sheeple".
rk: Why not back your words up with your true identity? That's all that's required to bring this six-year-long mind control/disinformation campaign to a close. The fact that the American Public are considered by their leadership to be TOO DUMBED DOWN to see such a simple solution is the reason that the American People are about to LOSE THEIR COUNTRY!
lp: You decide -- whatever helps you get your 20 minutes of sleep each night.
Delivered-To: w1113-arkent@arkenterprises.com
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:55:18 -0700
From: American Patriot Friends Network (APFN@apfn.org)
Reply-To: apfn@apfn.org
Organization: http://www.apfn.org/old/apfncont.htm
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en
To: arkent@arkenterprises.com
CC: American Patriot Friends Network (apfn@apfn.org)
Subject: RE APFN MESSAGE BOARD
YOU ARE WASTING YOU TIME POSTING TO APFN MESSAGE BOARD...
I WILL DELETE ALL YOUR POSTINGS....
IT IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL FORUM
THANK YOU FOR RESPECTING THIS BOARD....
ON WARD AND UP WARD...
GOD BLESS
rk: ----------PATRIOT - FREEDOM- RESTRICTION- CENSORSHIP- Anybody sensing a mixed message here?
rk: So much for the Patriot Spirit eh? (This is the third patriot board my posts have been censored on) Are all of you MIND CONTROLLED IGNORAMUSES PAYING ATTENTION!!
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Why should your psychiatric problems interest us?
Sat Aug 11 06:07:20 2001
b: Yes Ray, you have a lot of problems with a lot of people on a lot of Internet boards. So what? Given your attacks and threats, what do you expect? So you're a problem psychology: what the hell does this have to do with anything but the fact you have a lot of psychological problems? Government's got nothing to do with this. Get to a doctor and get better. Your life must be a living hell. Why live that way?
bart
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No evidence here the government's involved
Sat Aug 11 07:04:12 2001
unk: Simply repeating your paranoid conviction global powers are out to get you personally doesn't mean anything. I repeat: personal paranoia is nothing more than that -- personal paranoia. You have never presented even a shred of evidence that the government's involved in the constant fights you have with people and cross-spam all over the place. If you want to make an argument about the government, have the minimum decency to back up what you're saying with evidence and logic. If you can do neither, and you obviously can't, keep your self-aggrandizing ranting to yourself. It's of no interest to anyone else.
rk: Obviously it is of great interest to those such as yourself (for after all, here you are again, responding) who have been trying but have failed in their steady campaign to discredit me and remove any trace of my message from these newsgroups/forums over the past six years.
rk: IGNORAMUSES, the unaware and the uninformed persons such as those who make up this newsgroup/forum, see the world they have made for themselves when reflected by a man/woman of Truth, a Mirror of Truth. They don't like what they see.
rk: A simple Christ steps amongst them, one who is not driven nor controlled by the same Satanic Intellectual forces which rule their conflicted, confused lives. His balance points out a different way. A way of peace. A way of non-resistance. A way of TRUTH!
rk: Conditioned IGNORAMUSES feel insulted by the contrast they observe in such a Free Man. Their chains of slavery begin to weigh heavily upon them. They rattle on with their unending misdirecting distractions. IGNORAMUSES seethe and resent. They experience the dark inertia which binds their souls. IGNORAMUSES shudder with fear and impotence when they face bullies such as the anonymous cowards who exert dominion over these newsgroups/forums.
rk: IGNORAMUSES have learned long ago to capitulate, to give in, to "not rock the boat", to "go along to get along" while they face-savingly bluster and posture their way out of their predicament to an audience of fellow IGNORAMUSES. After all, has it not been oft-said -- "Misery loves Company?"
rk: So what do the administrators of these groups/forums, the organizers of thought, do when this dichotomy exposes the hypocrisy of the IGNORAMUS' way of life? Do they face the problem squarely and demand integrity and substance from their contributors, or is it easier for them to just remove the Mirror of Truth from the group so that no IGNORAMUS may actually see themselves as they REALLY ARE?
rk: This mind control Internet experiment has been going on for 6 years now. Long enough for even the most blatant IGNORAMUS to catch on to the obvious. What is the lesson it has taught? Not only is there something radically wrong with America, but with the entire world of Civilized Man. That's the world that wages war while they speak of peace. Only the IGNORAMUSES are incapable of seeing the BASSACKWARDNESS of such repeatable, habitual "civilized behavior." That is nothing new. History repeats itself with its cyclical lessons which instruct through pain and suffering. Who is there to learn the lessons it has to teach its crop of CULTIVATED, CONDITIONED IGNORAMUSES? You're right -- obviously, the current and next generation crop of IGNORAMUSES!! (The Sins of the Fathers have been passed on to their Sons and Daughters.)
rk: IGNORAMUSES are those conditioned (politically/religiously correct-thinking) automatons who would rather kill or be killed than face their own corrupted selves and ultimately be rid of their eternal suffering -- the suffering which arises from their own unawareness and stupidity.
rk: One integral man stands alone amid a sea of fragmented IGNORAMUSES. That very act upsets the ignorant and the corrupted to their very core of abberant (BASSACKWARD) beingness. That is the six-year-long lesson to be learned by users of the Internet. How many have learned it?
rk: Ponder this, oh INTERNET IGNORAMUSES, one and all: Were each and every contributor to these groups to have the integrity and balance to post their true identities to back up their words and actions, legally if need be, would this example of civilized INSANITY have gone on without letup for six years?
rk: Such a simple solution, yet how many of you see how the present INSANITY is set up to create and perpetuate the kinds of turmoil that make up your daily lives?
rk: Not the White House, not the Senate, not the Congress, not the FBI, not the Media, not the Local Sheriff's office -- none of these levels of government have seen fit to respond to the issues which threaten our society and our freedoms. On the contrary, they have placed massive public focus on the terms Hegelian Dialectic and STONE WALLING -- both are tried and true methods of Mass MIND Control.
rk: Your punishment for exhibiting such stupidity? That's not hard to see. For most of you, it will end only at death (are you listening all of you *patriotic martyrs* out there?). For others, the survivors, it will be slavery at the hands of anonymous henchmen employed by the Satanic Few who rule the many. It has always been that way in Intellectually designed systems of society, and it will always be that way until IGNORAMUSES WAKE UP and realize their conditioned DREAM STATE was all a matter of MASS HYPNOSIS!
rk: On these newsgroups/forums, I have repeatedly stated a bloodless solution to this issue of armed insurrection and Revolution. Only IGNORAMUSES continue to ignore it!
rk: Hint: Take back control of your money and what happens to the Feudal structure set up by the "MoneyChangers" of today -- the BANKERS, IMF, FEDERAL RESERVE, INCOME TAX. NATIONAL DEBT, PROPERTY TAX, etc.? Can anybody say POOF?!!!!
rk: What does that say about the level of Intelligence DOMINATING our world today?
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Pathetic name-calling doesn't help anything
Re: More Reactions from INTERNET IGNORAMUSES!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:24:04 GMT
From: Abuse, aggression,and arrogance (unknown)
Your problem is simple, and boils down to the same, sad triple A: abuse, aggression, and arrogance. No mystery here, only another deluded, psychotic forum a**hole who thinks he's Christ. Get over yourself already you fvcking freak.
rk: "Pathetic name-calling doesn't help anything" Isn't that what you said? Now all you have to do is read the rest of your post.
Hell, isn't it?
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The reason Raymond Karczewski is spammingmore
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:11:51 GMT
From: Thrown off another board (unknown)
He got thrown off another ptariot board, and has been told his rants and attacks are no longer welcome. This is about the only sewer that allows him to post his s**t now, so he saves it all for us.
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Speaking of the sins of the father Ray...
Re: More Reactions from INTERNET IGNORAMUSES!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:58:21 GMT
From: Destroyed your familywhen yourheart died (unknown)
How many decades has it been again that your kids were willing to even lay eyes on you? Or are you going to try and lie your way through things again, and say you saw them 3 days ago? Or that you're all one big, happy family? Your kids despise you for what you did to them, don't they?
LOOK HARD INTO THAT MIRROR OF TRVTH RAY: IT'S TELLING YOU WHAT KIND OF DISEASE YOU'VE LET YOURSELF BECOME IN YOUR VICIOUS MEGLOMANIA.
Too much pitched abuse in your life Ray, and no intelligence or heart at all. You're a sick, sick man. Your sins will be visited upon you until the day you drop dead from them.
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You really are psychotic if you think...
Re: More Reactions from INTERNET IGNORAMUSES!!
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:13:39 GMT
From: No one else needed to discredit you (unknown)
rk: Obviously it is of great interest to those such as yourself (for after all, here you are again, responding) who have been trying but have failed in their steady campaign to discredit me...
Ray, where did you possibly get the idea, even for a split second, that you haven't been completely discredited for years now? No one, except you and Anita, takes anything you say for anything but a sick joke. You're right though in one regard: the only person who discredited you was you. No one else needed to lift even a finger to make apparent what kind of farce you and your wife are.
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THIS coming from a proven child abuser??
Re: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me!" (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:04:11 GMT
From: No one gives a damn what you say Ray (unknown)
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You must have made a hell of your kids' lives
Re: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me!" (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:05:07 GMT
From: I hope you end up there yourself (unknown)
JayWJr IP:166.72.148.18 wrote:
08-12-2001 08:55 AM
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: The First Commandment of the Judeo-Christian Bible states: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me!" Exodus 20:3
rk: What is GOD? What are gods?
rk: Why is a thought-structured, word based *civilized* world a neverending Hell on Earth?
rk: Division, is it not? That wasn't very complicated, was it?
rk: God is One. Truth is One. Love is One. Nondualistic energy is One. That which is dualistic, *divided* in its essence, necessarily engenders opposing energies of conflict, confusion, and suffering.
rk: Truth is God. The IDEA of "truth" is not God, is it?
rk: The latter is but a mere fragmented *intellectual reflection* of the UNBOUNDED, UNDEFINABLE. UNLIMITED, NONDUALISTIC ESSENCE that man calls GOD/TRUTH!
rk: It is a dualism-based Fiction, a SATANIC Myth worshipped by millions of mind controlled entities, unaware of the very fragmented energy which controls and rules over their religious and political conditioned collective consciousness. These are the blind believers who are not even clear as to that which they worship.
rk: Below is a statement by a proud, vocal Christian doing what proud, vocal Christians do.
rk: Who is served by such artificially manufactured dichotomies? Is it the holistic essence of TRUTH, GOD, an energy which stands alone? Or is it the agenda of a SATAN (The OPPOSER), the fragmenting *god* which RULES over the realm of dualistic Intellectual thought?
A Christian states:
jwj: If you know Jesus Christ as your savior, then your stay on earth is the closest thing to hell that you will ever experience, because heaven is next.
jwj: If you have no use for Jesus Christ and do not know Him as your savior, then earth is the closest thing to heaven that you will ever experience, because hell is next.
rk: Now, having read that, ask yourself, is it inarguable holistic TRUTH which was just expressed? Or was it merely the expression of a fragmented, conditioned opinion which creates schisms of unending argument?
rk: The Hell of IT is rather self-evident, isn't it?
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: Does anybody here have the ability/awareness to observe directly how, through small talk catch phrases, one-liner sound byte slogans, and recognizable repetitious (reinforced) conditioning psychological links, anonymous cowardly Disinformation Agents such as "glass onion" can so easily misdirect public attention away from a TRUTH so PROFOUND that were it to be understood by the enslaved masses, would end HELL ON EARTH in the "blink of an eye."
rk: Look at the simple TRUTH for yourself. How many readers have the courage to respond to my simple messages of TRUTH using their True Identities? Through such lack of demonstrable integrity lies the first clue to our corrupted, disintegrating society. Who amongst you are able to SEE THAT?
rk: Of those who do respond while secreting themselves in the shadows of anonymity, what of substance do they actually have to contribute to the subject matter presented? Except for Libelous attacks upon Ray Karczewski and his family members, what other subjects do these same anonymous posters offer to the vast newsgroups/forum readership? What, in fact, do they contribute? Rather a startling eye-opener, isn't it?
rk: Like so many inert spectators, how many more readers view the articles and DO NOTHING about the degrading human spectacle they observe unfolding before them? Therein lies the evidence of your own MIND being CONTROLLED!! And, quite frankly, most of you are OBLIVIOUS to it all!!
rk: By the lack of courage shown by the silent, apathetic majority who read my articles, it may well be that I AM indeed casting PEARLS BEFORE THE SWINE!!
JayWJr IP:166.72.148.18 wrote:
08-12-2001 08:55 AM
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: The First Commandment of the Judeo-Christian Bible states: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me!" Exodus 20:3
rk: What is GOD? What are gods?
rk: Why is a thought-structured, word based *civilized* world a neverending Hell on Earth?
rk: Division, is it not? That wasn't very complicated, was it?
rk: God is One. Truth is One. Love is One. Nondualistic energy is One. That which is dualistic, *divided* in its essence, necessarily engenders opposing energies of conflict, confusion, and suffering.
rk: Truth is God. The IDEA of "truth" is not God, is it?
rk: The latter is but a mere fragmented *intellectual reflection* of the UNBOUNDED, UNDEFINABLE. UNLIMITED, NONDUALISTIC ESSENCE that man calls GOD/TRUTH!
rk: It is a dualism-based Fiction, a SATANIC Myth worshipped by millions of mind controlled entities, unaware of the very fragmented energy which controls and rules over their religious and political conditioned collective consciousness. These are the blind believers who are not even clear as to that which they worship.
rk: Below is a statement by a proud, vocal Christian doing what proud, vocal Christians do.
rk: Who is served by such artificially manufactured dichotomies? Is it the holistic essence of TRUTH, GOD, an energy which stands alone? Or is it the agenda of a SATAN (The OPPOSER), the fragmenting *god* which RULES over the realm of dualistic Intellectual thought?
A Christian states:
jwj: If you know Jesus Christ as your savior, then your stay on earth is the closest thing to hell that you will ever experience, because heaven is next.
jwj: If you have no use for Jesus Christ and do not know Him as your savior, then earth is the closest thing to heaven that you will ever experience, because hell is next.
rk: Now, having read that, ask yourself, is it inarguable holistic TRUTH which was just expressed? Or was it merely the expression of a fragmented, conditioned opinion which creates schisms of unending argument?
rk: The Hell of IT is rather self-evident, isn't it?
Ray Karczewski
Topic: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me!"
Glass Onion IP: 208.161.45.30 wrote:
posted 08-12-2001 05:49 PM
go: Does it get dusty up there if you do not have these imaginary conversations with imaginary friends.
go: (Now Harvey stop that, What will people think)
go: {A horse is a horse of course of course}
go: Its a rabbit, not a horse go: [Ding dong the witch is dead,...]
go: Not that kind of rabbi go: Egad, I says to my self, "Self, I says who will listen if I talk to myself, i says, self ...
Re: Question Raymond Karczewski Keeps Running From (snoop)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:40:14 GMT
From: He's utter bad faith, through & through (unknown)
unk: Ray's great at telling other people what to do
unk: But he never, but never, has the nerve to ACT himself on demands he issues to others.
rk: On the contrary. You'll find full coverage of my dealings with the Douglas County Judicial System and Canyonville, Oregon Justice Court on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
rk: In essence, its Justice Court is a sham -- nothing more than a glorified collection agency which has NO FORCE OF LAW behind it. Such court has no jurisdiction over a natural person who demands his Unalienable, Common Law and Constitutional Rights. Such a collection agency is allowed to continue only through the SUPPORT and IGNORANCE of a conditioned tax-beleaguered Public.
rk: I have filed an official R.I.C.O. Complaint with the FBI and a separate complaint with the Douglas County District Attorney's office demanding a Grand Jury Investigation into Felony Theft by Extortion against the Douglas County Sheriff's Office policy of confiscating the private property of individuals over traffic stops when they HAVE NO JURISDICTION over one not using the publicly owned Highways while engaged in the regulated activity of trade, commerce, business, or industry, and/or has not waived his/her Unalienable Right to Liberty by contracting for a Driver's License with the State and thereby consenting to his own prosecution.
rk: I have publically made that point crystal clear and have told them I DO NOT RECOGNIZE the Justice Court's AUTHORITY over a FREE MAN.
rk: The next move is up to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office/District Attorney/Judicial System, is it not? Will they arrest me for my exposure of their own scandalous, tyrannical, Unconstitutional practices. Keep tuned!!
unk: Ray is your typical forum hypocrite: all spam, no balls.
rk: Such a statement is rather humorous coming from a coward who will not stand behind his LIBELOUS comments by providing his actual IDENTITY! Slinking, slithering, shadow dwelling insinuators lie at the lowest level of human debris, do they not?
unk: Even his recent, extremely extended screedfest about being busted for driving without a license: for all the unending spam screeching about injustice, resistance, Magna Carta (???) etc., all he ended up actually DOING is running away when it came time to go to court.
rk: I have documented my actions thoroughly. Your characterization of running away only points out your compulsion to stretch, spin and distort the facts.
rk: My position is very clear. If, in fact, the Canyonville Justice Court has AUTHORITY and jurisdiction over me in this matter, then let them prove it by ARRESTING ME! Let's put it to the test, shall we? After all, do not ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS?
unk; It's a true testimony to his mental illness that he really seems incapable of understanding what kind of bad faith he displays through fear of acting on his own demands.
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Spin Doctors, Tyrants, and Fools -- HELL, ISN'T IT?
Anonymous wrote:
A little introspection might just save you
Mon Aug 13 13:11:00 2001
Your constant spam about living in hell tells us everything about you Ray, and about how unhappy you really are in life. You can scream this every single day for whatever remains of your life Ray, and it won't make my life any worse, and, more importantly, **it won't make your life any better.** A little introspection would do you a universe of good. Turn your constant screaming about living in hell inwards, and look hard at what you find. You can still fix yourself, if only you can find the character and strength to do so.
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Spin Doctors, Tyrants, and Fools -- HELL, ISN'T IT?
Oregonians Pity Raymond wrote:
You're the only one living in hell here Raymond
Mon Aug 13 12:33:19 2001
The only thing that's remarkable about you is how openly wretched you are, and pitched in your denial of the obvious. No one would spend his life attacking every other human being alive if he were not utterly miserable in his life, and out to assault others if only to make himself feel alive. Ironically, I feel very sorry for you. Though you are one of the most unthinking, aggressive, and abusive members of this board, the reason you act this way is terribly obvious.
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Spin Doctors, Tyrants, and Fools -- HELL, ISN'T IT?
Reaction from Ray's Neighbors wrote:
Your "position" is bankrupt, and always has been
Mon Aug 13 12:10:07 2001
A tantrum is not mature political action, and you should know the difference by now. Insisting on psychotic and uninformed notions about the Constitution, and throwing tantrum upon tantrum because your psychosis corresponds to nothing in terms of actual rights and obligations, are the actions of a spoiled, self-absorbed adolescent. You ran away from court. Period. "Documenting" your flight means nothing: you ran away, and didn't even have the balls to stand up and take the consequences for your actions. Or did you end up paying us the money you owe us in fines? I imagine you still screaming about what you owe society because no matter what the law and Constitution say about your obligations to society, you don't want to part with the money you fraudulently wrang out of our taxes. And give up this stupid s**t about people giving you contact information/addresses: you're armed, dangerous, and have many times threatened anyone who disagrees with you. No one wants someone as painfully sick and vicious as you are showing up at their door and cutting down their family. It's called FREE SPEECH Ray: we have the right to not agree with you without having our families threatened. Or do you feel only you have the right to free speech, and want the rest of the world to shut the hell up already? Again, the attitude of a spoiled, self-absorbed adolescent.