If you are ready to invite
and assist in ushering in a New
Consciousness on this Planet, then
welcome to our Spiritual Dialogue
Board
Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:49:15 GMT
"The Nine" (icenine@locnet.digitalchainsaw.com) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: Now all you need do is look up the case law definitions of "MOTOR VEHICLE" and "AUTOMOBILE" and you will have once again wound up with egg on your face. Let's face it, icenine, you've got enough egg on your face by now to treat your fellow disinformation cohorts with omelete for all
rk: To save yourself a considerable amount of time laboring so long and hard (how do you get any work done at Verizon Corp?) trying to find one "contradiction in essence," check out http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/driver.html
in: > Raymond, here's what you said about the Supreme Court:
rk: >> There again, you stop along the way and don't go to where the real answers lie -- the United States Supreme Court.
in: > Well...I said yesterday I couldn't find a Supreme Court Case. I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong.
rk: Only in a Bassackward world might anyone consider you to be "big!!" Do you not yet see the compulsion of a "little man" parasitically hanging on to the coattails of another for some residual attention? As a human being, "BIG" YOU ARE NOT!!
in: > From http://www.militia-watchdog.org/suss10.htm
in: > Cases verified as existing at www.findlaw.com
in: > "As the US Supreme Court noted in 1915, "The movement of motor vehicles over the highways is attended by constant and serious dangers to the public, and is also abnormally destructive to the [high]ways themselves. ... [A] state may rightfully prescribe uniform regulations necessary for public safety and order in respect to the operation upon its highways of all motor vehicles - those moving in interstate commerce as well as others. ... This is but an exercise of the police power uniformly recognized as belonging to the states and essential to the preservation of the health, safety, and comfort of their citizens."
in: > Hendrick v. Maryland (1915) 235 US 610; "Motor vehicles are dangerous machines, and even when skillfully and carefully operated, their use is attended by serious dangers to persons and property. In the public interest the state may make and enforce regulations reasonably calculated to promote care on the part of all, residents and non-residents alike, who use its highways. ... The state's power to regulate the use of its highways extends to their use by non-residents as well as by residents."
in: > Hess v. Pawloski (1927) 274 US 352. There is nothing in the cranks' reliance on a "right to travel" to try to exempt themselves from driver license and traffic laws that limits their theory to wheeled vehicles and they might eventually claim an unregulated right to pilot aircraft over cities! Courts have already held that driving without a license or registration is, by itself, indicative of reckless driving; see essay, 29 ALR2d 963 & suppl.}"
rk: > Again, the key to the puzzle and its solution, which continues to elude you, is found in the two words -- "MOTOR VEHICLE."
in: Looks like the US Supreme Court has addressed this issue of Rights Vs. Priviledge some time ago.
rk: Yes indeed -- for "MOTOR VEHICLES."
in: Remember, Ray--Astroglide.
i9
rk: Watch out FOR THAT MIRROR!!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:23:07 GMT
The Commentator (unknown) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
c: Take your head out of your ass for a second Ray
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Raymond Karczewski wrote:
rk: >> Without the court's proof of such (challenged)> jurisdiction, it is violating the law. > > bs: Sheesh, Ray. > > bs: ORS 131.215. > > bs: "Except as otherwise provided(1) ..., a person is subject > to prosecution under the laws of this state for an offense that > that person commits by the conduct of the person ... if: > > bs: [1] Either the conduct which is an element of the offense or > the result which is an element occurs within this state..." > > bs: (1) It ain't nowheres else "otherwise provided". > bs: Show up at yer friggin' trial. The police officer will be > happy to testify, under oath, that yer driving without a license > occurred within the State of Oregon. He will also happily > testify that it was you who done it. Thus providing yer > requested "proof of such (challenged) jurisdiction." > > bs: Sheesh. > > bs: Peace and justice,
c: Kazoo wankage, trollage and dingbattery deleted .
c: And who owes the road you traveled on?
rk: Don't you mean who "...*OWNS* the road?"
rk: It would appear, commentator, that any attempt at expressing yourself beyond gutter language and cheap shots is doomed to failure. Here's a word for you to ponder as you continue to expose yourself to the world through your writing -- IGNORAMUS!!
rk: No wonder you choose to operate under a host of aliases on the Internet along with your one-liner slinging Disinformation Cohorts! Ah, but have patience, your time will come!
rk: But to answer your question, the "PEOPLE" own the roads. The "PEOPLE" ARE the government, not the "servants" or "bureaucrats" that the " PEOPLE" have put into office to administer the "WILL of the PEOPLE."
c: Perhaps the State of oregon or perhaps the federal government.
rk: Not under our Constitutional form of government, they don't!! However if the "PEOPLE," the True Government, continues in their apathy to allow the Constitution to be subverted by their servants (who think they are now the master) ruling tyrannically from the boardrooms of a "Corporate America" while operating under Admiralty-Maritime law, then an apathetic "People" shall get exactly what they deserve.
c: the owner has a perfect right to exclude those who do not comply with published rules, laws, regulations and statutes.
rk; Your point is moot. I, as a Sovereign freeman, am the essence of the collective body that has, at one time, been described as a "Government Of the People, by the People, and For the People."
rk: You see, I understand the Truth of that statement. Some others understand it; however, most who have been educated by our "servants," do not. The latter have but a superficial grasp of what has come to be known as empty rhetoric, but because of their "dumbed-down" emotionally clouded intellects, brought about through years of institutionalized mind control, they lack the capacity to plumb the depths of those words for their deeper meaning.
rk: You may take this for what it is worth from one who understands what our predecessors, those responsible for the founding of this country, understood: If the populace wakes up and is prepared to meet the challenge ahead -- *this Government of the People, by the People, and for the People SHALL NOT PERISH FROM THIS EARTH!*
c: So, travel all you want on property you own, or for which to have explicit permission to travel upon.
c: In the meantime the attorney is right, show up, you cheap s**t.
c: Or, be prepared for a new and thrilling experience in jail.
rk: I see you're back in your gutter milieu, eh, commentator? Comfortable, are you?
snoop IP: 209.136.175.6 wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
posted 07-24-2001 01:22 PM
s: > The sooner you become cognizant of the FACT that the majority of folks in the land do not CARE about your posrs, the better for all concerned,
rk: Yes, for ignoramuses, that "damn" Mirror of Truth is troublesome, isn't it?
s: > The reasons for their not cating are multiple;
1..Ignorance(not educated to the subject.)
2.. Inability to comprehend. This afflicts a significant number and being genetic, cannot be changed.
3..Lack of desire to become involved. This due to the bread and circuses so abundantly provided. Change this fact significantly and you still will not increase your audience or adherents. Mainly because of point # 2 above.
rk: Are you a proponent of "DUMB & DUMBER?"
s: > So...why not give it a rest?
rk: What?? And cut off any chances for the "DUMB & DUMBER" to get "SMART & SMARTER?"
s: > This site will be dismantled when golden boy becomes ceasar over the faction of the WAR on the PEOPLE popularly termed a War On Drugs.
rk: Now, snoop, there is "DUMB & DUMBER," but the comment you just made was the "DUMBEST!"
s: > SO you will then have to find other hunting grounds.
rk: snoop, here are some Internet public discussion forums which have censored my articles. All but one of these forums have censored my articles without comment and removed them from access to their readership. The actual articles which have led to such censorship may be read on the following pages of my bulletin board. See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
After reading the articles, ask yourself why my articles are considered such a threat to the Status Quo!
***USENET newsgroups (I have returned to some Newsgroups)
Google Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search (I have returned to Google Archives)
MSNBC Religion & Ethics Forum http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-faith/index.asp
MSNBC Political Forum http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-politics/index.asp
NEO-TECH Forums http://www.neo-tech.com/front/
Medford Oregon Mail Tribune Newspaper Forum http://www.mailtribune.com/
Oregonian Newspapaer Town Square Forum; http://www.oregonlive.com/forums/townsquare/ (I have returned to Google Archives)
Bendnet Electronic Community Forum http://www.bend.com/bendnet/index.php
Friends of Liberty International Discussion Board (Patriot Movement) http://www.friendsofliberty.com
The POWER HOUR http://www.gulfwarvets.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=The+Power+Hour&number=5
s: Me...I can hardly wait!!!
s: I don't beleieve it is premature for me to say:
s: ADIOS tonto viejo!
rk: Again, ask yourself, what is so threatening to you about my posts?
snoop IP: 209.136.175.6 wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
posted 07-24-2001 08:38 PM
s: > I didn't read your post since my position is clear!!! I will NOT come over to your side on ANY issue. Please remember that.
s: > It would be pointless to do that.
s: > G'bye!!
rk: A balanced man HAS NO SIDE, for his is the "narrow" way of Truth. Only the damned choose up sides to usher in their own mutual destruction.
rk: A balanced man is observable as a voice in the wilderness of societally conditioned "civilized men." His voice may be heard, but his words are rarely understood, and when they are, it is only by the few who are ready to bring fundamental change into their chaotic lives.
rk: Others cannot hear the subtle whisperings of Truth as they are disrupted by their own conflicted, noisy Intellects. Civilized men, conditioned to worship and serve Satan (The Opposer), the god of intellect, busily fritter their lives away while engaged in eternal struggle with their own inner Intellectually spawned demons.
rk: I am not a leader, for there is no one to lead when one stands beyond the dualistic, Hell-bound realm of Intellect. Beyond the intellect, each is a light onto oneself, living atone with the Infinite. That is the true estate of Human Beings. The state of holistic consciousness -- the Christ State.
rk: I am here to point to the fountain of eternal Truth. Who is thirsty enough to drink from it?
Wed Jul 25 07:26:47 2001
SWIFT 2-2 wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
s: Ray, you state that only the damned choose up sides. Wrong!!! Soon there will be the seperating of the sheep from the goats. If you have not chosen a side(ie;the sheep) it is you who will be damned.
rk: It is obvious you did not understand my message. Your unawareness of it can be traced to the dualistic noise of Intellectual judgment which overwhelmed your consciousness at the time you read my words.
s: I think you spend so much time lacing your postings with adjectives, that you lose sight of your thesis.
rk: So then, what is my thesis as you presently understand it? Wouldn't the discussion of that be more productive than dancing around the periphery talking about the mechanics of another's manner of expression?
s: The will of choosing sides is quite clear: Good vs evil, moral vs immoral, decency vs indency, spirituality vs occult, etc.
rk: The conditioned state of unawareness ALWAYS begins and ends at the peripheral Intellectual level of dualistic consciousness, never at the core of one's being.
rk: You place great store in your religious views of " Good vs evil, moral vs immoral, decency vs indency, spirituality vs occult," etc. I tell you, such seductions borne of dualistic concepts are the very mortar which cements your walled in prison cell separating you from the rest of the world.
rk: You will fight, kill, and die if necessary for peace you have never known. Doesn't that strike you the least bit odd?
rk: At the very base of your conditioned being, you live in the "Original Sin" of Contradiction. That is all you know. That is all you have ever known. Knowledge is based in thought. Thought is based in dualism. And dualism is based in contradiction. Do you not see one's "fall from grace?" Hell, isn't it?
rk: You seek spiritual and political liberation, yet you are held fast by your own fears. Such inertia manifests as apathy in all conflicted beings who are eternally caught in their own contradictions.
rk: You desire freedom, yet you are blind to the freedom that is there, all around you, but hidden in plain sight to the conditioned and the unaware. You excuse your inertia, while you wait, wait, wait for a future opportunity to act. But what are you waiting for? Your waiting is simply your excuse for not acting, is it not? The problem is NOW, yet you procrastinate until all your space, your rights, your freedoms are stripped away, all because you cannot ACT NOW. I am not singling you out, Swift, for you are amongst millions and millions of others who share a similar fate. They are victims of their own conditioned *unawareness."
s: In closing, I want to say your position on this issue is indefensible.
rk: I assure you, Swift, I have nothing to defend!
Swift 2-2 wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Wed Jul 25 15:42:04 2001
s: Ray, for not having anything to defend, you sure used up a lot of space offering a differing opinion.
rk: When you see your house on fire, what do you break out first, the fire hose, or a glass of water?
rk: Even you will admit that our Constitution based "American Way of Life" is in jeopardy. Our present world is on fire. The firebug responsible for setting it aflame is the United Nations, the vehicle which will surely usher us, against our will, into a New World Order. That is, of course, unless the fire is extinguished.
rk: I have already decided my personal tool for extinguishing the fire wherever and whenever I can -- The FIRE HOSE of TRUTH.
rk: Despite the efforts of the few who are active firefighters, many who now slumber their lives away will perish in the conflagration.
s: As for your thesis as I currently understand it: The prima facie evidence would indicate that you are trying to save christians from their own thoughts so they won't be trapped in a prison of their own making.
rk: Then you don't fully understand what I am saying. Christians are merely a subset of Human Beings who are ruled by the conditioned beliefs which have been inculcated into them through a continuing and relentless program of religious mind control. The mind control of Politics is no different in substance. The differences are superficial. They are but two sides of the same coin of power and control. Believers are controlled through their beliefs. Out of that belief-ridden milieu has arisen a HELL ON EARTH.
rk: Why be a Christian, a member of an exclusive club? Cut out the middle man, the priesthood and the clergy, the exploitive leaders of Institutionalized Christianity. Stop living in belief. Understand what Jesus of Nazareth understood, and you will no longer see the world as a Christian but as a Christ.
s: But, due to the dualistic manner in which you write, I would have to guess that your true thesis is to encourage christians to engage in transcendental meditation, or at the very least, become followers of OBI-WAN KNOBI.
rk: You will search hard and long and yet not find methodology promoted in my posts. Were I to "teach" you specific methods to attain liberation, I would be no different than the religious and political mind controllers who rule you through the thoughts you hold. I differ in that I merely point to where Truth is not found. Moving away from where Truth is not, one "may" find where Truth is. Finding it, however, is entirely up to those who are ready for the Truth. Dilettantes needn't apply.
s: Here is some hope for you.
rk: Swift, end thought in a fleeting moment of direct perception, then tell me -- where is hope?
s: I said earlier that your position is indefensable.
rk: Again, end thought in the eternal moment of NOW, then tell me, where is duality? Without dualistic thought, what is there to defend?
s: You are in good company. Consider the current state of our Republic and how many new people each day are 'waking up".
rk: Swift, you confuse the substitution of one set of "fad" conditioning for another, older set of "traditional" conditioning; and you call that "waking up." Have you heard the one about the "frying pan" and the "fire?"
rk: Awakening is complete when thought and action are as one. This country and this world is far from that state of divinely guided consciousness.
The "tuck tail & run" cowardly afab bullies See the *Writing on the Wall:* Declare a Moratorium!!
Don't allow this 6 year long issue of Internet Mind Control by government/media sponsored/supported Mind Control/Disinformation Agents to fade into obscurity, only to return big time should we lose our country to the New World Order.
Read the libelous attacks below. Could you stand up to such a vicious siege for 6 years on an almost daily basis? If they can do it to me, they can do it to you. In my case they have failed in their campaign to "break a man." They have not been able to produce a single "contradiction in essence" in all of my writings. What they have produced are forgeries and manufactured statements made by themselves and others *using my name.* These instances have been exposed.
One person below asked the innocent question: "Why doesn't someone attempt to debate Ray K ..rather then just hurl insults..." You have seen the responses. Now all they have to do is come up with a single shred of evidence to back up their statements.
Isn't it time we as a people rose above our conditioned apathy and acted once again as a sovereign people?
Make no mistake about it, this is a major issue regarding a runaway government/intelligence community/media operation. Government, Major Broadcast Radio, and print media are keyed into this scandalous issue of government/media disinformation which has spilt onto the Internet. I can't do it alone, but with your help we can put some of these criminals where they belong -- BEHIND BARS!!
Although the disinformation agents have trashed the petition (read it and see it for yourself), it can still serve as a viable instrument in the Restoration of our U.S. Constitution and place control of our government servants back into the hands of the True Government -- THE PEOPLE!
Sign the Petition at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Endless, mindless spewage
Re: Re: GUTLESS WONDER (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:50:02 GMT
From: Words of a parasite mean NOTHING (unknown)
Why would you think even for a moment anyone takes you for anything but a joke? Next time we need to be lectured by a tax parasite, infamous fraud, child abuser, and violent sociopath about the path to holiness and patriotism, you'll be the first one we contact. Until then, you might want to read responses to your hate-filled rants and rethink your obvious failings in life. You are pathetic, and painful to watch as you puff your empty husk of a human being up beyond all sense and measure.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray got busted for driving without a license
Re: Has anyone ever actually read one of these (Eastern Onion)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:59:03 GMT
From: Ray's his own victim & revels in it (unknown)
He'll have to pay roughly $700 for it, and he feels it's his "constitutional" right to drive unlicensed. Some people who don't understand Ray's mentally ill try and reason with him, and have even provided germane statutory and case law to demonstrate licensing is valid according to the Constitution. Ray just never went to school, cannot read or write, and therefore can't understand even basic legal principles. He thus thinks the government is part of a massive global plot against him, and posts his raging screeds several times daily because, literally, he has nothing else to do with his life. He should get a job instead, but he has nothing to offer employers. In other words, he's his own victim and revels in it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This man has a point
Re: Re: GUTLESS WONDER (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:09:47 GMT
From: Clean up your thinking and writing (unknown)
Raymond, your own writing is sooooo overwrought, probably with the intent of making yourself look "educated," that it is incoherent. Make your point, back it up with **real** evidence, and let the reader decide. Your constant attacks, insults, and strange notions you're Christ do nothing but undercut any hope of credibility you could possibly have. In other words, learn how to think and write effectively before you verbally assault anyone.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your consciousness is ego-driven Ray. Period.
Re: RE: GUTLESS WONDER (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:50 GMT
From: Nothing divine about vicious attacks (unknown)
Learn to let go of your overweaning ego, and how to deal with real problems and ideas that affect society. All you do when you mount constant, hysterical attacks is show how incapable you are of serious, enlightened exchange. There is nothing "divine" about what you do on this forum Ray. Hatred, envy, and screaming insults only prove your ignorance and inability to deal with ideas of real import.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why doesn't someone attempt to debate Ray K
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:18:29 GMT
From: ....pppp (unknown)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Apparently you did not read the initial responses?
Re: Why doesn't someone attempt to debate Ray K (....pppp)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:27:08 GMT
From: What can this mean? (unknown)
Apparently you haven't looked at the history on any of this. It is always a good idea to inform yourself of history before posting empty questions of this nature. This is rather the point. People have provided Ray with many, many instances of contemporary controlling law that says he's wrong. Ray returns only insults and threats, and has become more and more hysterical as the date of his sentencing approaches. It is not the respondents' fault if Ray ignores reason and law, only to prefer rage and hatred instead. Perhaps you're better off reading through the initial responses to his posts before you post questions of this nature.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
..rather then just hurl insults...
This Karczewski thing is profoundly distasteful
Re: Why doesn't someone attempt to debate Ray K (....pppp)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:35:22 GMT
From: I call for a Karczewski moratorium (unknown)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I find responding to someone who's so obviously mentally ill distasteful, if not downright mean. All questions of public safety and law aside, Ray will find out in court what his legal liabilities are, and there is no need to prolong his display here by responding to him. It only feeds his illness, which dictates constant attention, no matter what kind it is. In the name of human dignity and sanity, can we have a moratorium on Karczewski responses?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I second this. This is getting out of hand.
Re: This Karczewski thing is profoundly distasteful (I call for a Karczewski moratorium)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:52:35 GMT
From: Leave the insane alone (unknown)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's been tried many, many times
Re: Why doesn't someone attempt to debate Ray K (....pppp)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:37:13 GMT
From: (unknown)
He proves unresponsive, and intractable.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seriously, to what possible end?
Re: Why doesn't someone attempt to debate Ray K (....pppp)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:04:02 GMT
From: Who wants to be threatened by this man? (nknown)
This man has ZERO interest in law or the difference between right and wrong. To what possible end would one "debate" someone who's only out to make a public spectacle of himself? What could possibly be accomplished by such a "debate," if you could even call it that? You are also unaware of Raymond's history of the past several years, which explains much of the animosity shown him and his posts. If you counter anything he says, including his idea that -- quite literally -- he is God, he has a bad history of losing all control over himself and demanding FBI, CIA, White House, etc. investigations into the people who disagree with him. Would you argue that kind of emotional and (more than) defensive conduct could possible encourage anyone to "debate" him (again, if you can call it that)? His demands have always been dismissed, but who needs someone who is patently insane badgering the government to investigate you for no other reason than you venture to disagree with him?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray, this routine gets old.
Re: Disinformation Agents and Writing on the Wall!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:54:28 GMT
From: IceNine (unknown)
Tell me--If your court date gets continued to another date tomorrow, will we again look forward to your "Tis a far, far better thing I do now..." speech next time too?
Check your toe. Is it tagged? No? Then quit the martyr routine.
You alone have brought this on yourself Ray, despite all your ranting and raving to the contrary. Your legal arguments have been completely shot down, Your conspiracy theories do not exist, and your investigation that you want so much to believe will happen--the lynchpin of your pathetic universe--has been yanked from you. All that's left is the whining and spitting of a little man with a little mind.
Your martyr's speech tonight, as it was back in early July, serves to tell us that you are fully aware of your folly--like the Death Row Inmate who begs for clemency the week before his date with the Reaper. Too little, and too late for your extremely fallible sense of self-preservation to kick in. You are a liar, a fraud, and totally deserving of the punishment that awaits you, whatever it may be.
My only wish for you is that finally, someone in authority will force you to get the help you sorely need. As an aside, I hope all the budding Darwin Award Winners in the Soverign Freeman/Militia groups that have controlled YOUR mind and whose agendas you have parroted will hardly even take notice of your absence, should there be one. Maybe then, you may begin to understand that your only relationships of any note in recent years were only so much binary code; tenuous and fleeting, and as easily forgotten as hitting a delete button.
Sucks to be you, Ray. And at the risk of sounding cheesy, Hell, isn't it?
i9
Quinton wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
7/26/2001, 12:46 am
q: >>> While you were a public servant, did you EVER arrest, cite or harass ANYONE for Driving W/O a Liscense, DWLS (Driving While Liscense Suspended) or ANY Drivers Liscense related offense?
WOJ
rk: >> Sorry quinton, I don't answer loaded compound setup questions like that" Ask a reasonable question and you'll get a reasonable answer. The bottom line is that what I did 30 years ago is
l. irrelevant.
and
2. None of your business.
Ray Karczewski
q: That was no loaded question.
rk: Then apparently, you don't know what a loaded question is.
q: You are afraid to answer to be revealed as the fraud you are.
rk: I guess with your level of personal bias/prejudice going into any matter, such use of loaded questions aren't really that necessary, eh?
q: It was perfectly fine for you to enforce the draconian laws you want to disrupt, but when it is your turn to pay the piper, you run and hide.
q: These are not the actions of a self-contained christ" and if you were as honest as you proclaim to be you would answer TRUTHFULLY and without hesitation.
q: Did not the yahoos of Jesus' time follow him around plying him with setup questions, hoping to entrap him with words? Look at the attacks on me and my wife over the last 6 years on the internet and see if you don't see a similar pattern.
rk: You bandy about the word "self-contained christ." Would you care to expound on what you understand that phrase to mean as it pertains to me?
rk: I'm particularly interested in what you mean by "self-contained." The fact is, quinton, you haven't got a clue as to what I mean when I speak of Christ Consciousness. Here's a clue. It has NOTHING to do with organized christianity.
q: What does the past mater?
rk: So why pose the question?
q: I don't care if you did arrest anyone for what you now combat.
rk: So then, what is the purpose of the question, if even you don't think it to be relevant?
q: I do find it distasteful that you would shirk such a question with all the ranting I've been exposed to.
rk: A sovereign human being owes no duty to save an ignoramus from himself. But love does call for ignorance to be pointed out when an unaware child continues to engage the sovereign in communication while imposing his ignorance into the mix of relationship. It gives the child an opportunity to grow up.
rk: Your tastes, by the way, are of no concern to me. However from recent experiences with you, the image of "sour grapes" may account for your penchant for distaste. What you have recently been exposed to in this relationship has not been ranting but your own emotional reactions to the image you see staring back at you from a Mirror of Truth. It is a gift, for you have been treated to seeing the real you, just as others see you. It is quite apparent by your reactions that you didn't like what you saw. The fact is that you have been graced with a "golden opportunity" for change. What you do with it however, is entirely up to you.
q: If Truth is that important to you, why don't you expose the truthful answer to the question? OOOPS, thats another question.
q: Don't answer that, you may implicate yourself.
WOJ
rk: See what I mean about one who is but a child in a man's body? You have just been treated to real reasons why you experience so much trouble in your life. You look like a man, but you talk and act like a child.
rk: Isn't it time for you to put away the things of childhood? Ask yourself the question, "Is it enough for you to look like a man, yet not BE A MAN?
rk: Ponder that quinton. It was not said to hurt but to help. Sometimes, Truth is a tough pill to swallow.
Always amazed wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Thu Jul 26 11:03:52 2001
aa: Again, I fail to see
rk: Yes, you do!
aa: Raymond, none of this has anything to do with the reason this board exists.
rk: Of course it does. It has EVERYTHING to do with it. The fact that your present unawareness prevents you from grasping it's efficacy, however, is another matter.
aa: Why do you post these bizarre fights you have elsewhere here, where the discussion centers on issues of patriotism and constitutional republicanism?
rk: Wherein most posts on this board are observed to deal with meaningless debate of theoretical "isms" by procrastinating, do-nothing "Talk Abouts" held fast by their conditioned fears, resentments and anxieties, my articles expose the level of consciousness responsible for our troubled world -- the Satanically (Opposer) ruled, conditioned Intellect!
rk: These "bizarre fights" you refer to are merely the evidence of the violence and corruption responsible for the present state of our human world. If you will notice, it is " hidden in plain sight" from most who have been conditioned into a state of "Unawareness." Those who "have the eyes to see and the ears to hear" are merely regarded by the ignorant as "kooks" "oddballs" and "nutcases." Actually it is the Spirit of Intelligence not bounded by intellectual limitations which manifest as "voices in the wilderness" whose words fall upon deaf ears.
rk: As any "perceptive" person can see, they are "bizarre fights" only to those who cannot rise above their own dualistic, judgmental Intellect. I don't fight with anybody. I merely mirror the contradictions in those and others who are unaware of themselves. What greater service can one provide for his sleeping brothers and sisters?
aa: I am sorry you are having such intense personal problems with so many people, but what do you imagine any of this has to do with this board?
rk: I don't have any "intense personal problems with so many people," as you have characterized it. It only *appears* that way to those who are unaware of what is really going on. The vast majority of the attacks upon my posts, which you term "bizzare fights," arise from the keyboards of a very small number of government/media sponsored/supported disinformation agents who have conducted a 6 year long campaign of censorship and character assination while they hide behind a multitude of aliases, sock puppets, and Internet handles. They are supplemented by rank ignoramus "wannabes" who are addicted to a "band wagon" mentality. Their purpose is to misdirect public attention away from the core of my message; to manipulate and focus the reader's attention onto the more base, prurient, gossipy interests which entertain and occupy the consciousness of most conditioned ignoramuses. That is the essence of mind control. Few are capable of seeing it, and even fewer are capable of doing something about it. Such is the nature of the conditioned, inert public. That is how they are controlled and manipulated by their leadership.
rk: If one looks closely enough, one sees the same "energy signature" (such as yours which can be examined in the town square forum at http://www.oregonlive.com/forums/townsquare/ ) of the same repetitive posters who post under a multitude of aliases, handles, and sockpuppets. Some of them are employed by government/media to disrupt and control the flow of information on these newsgroups and forums. Others are just hangers on, coattail riders, and plain old ignorant wannabes.
rk: When the sleeping populace of this country wakes up from the spell of hypnosis/mind control which daily controls their thoughts and behavior (what else would one call "Politically Correct" thinking?), a restoration of our Constitutional form of Government will occur. In their new found awareness, the awakened will break the "talk about" habit which has enslaved them and rendered them inert. (See my article below about the "Talk About" and the "Talk Of.")
aa: Again, I regret you experience such intense difficulties relating with other people, but your remarks contribute nothing to any discussion of interest here.
rk: All of this nonsense can be corrected if posters had the integrity to stand by their words and actions by affixing their true names/identities to their posts. This shadowy Satanically (opposer) ruled world of deception and intrigue would disintegrate in an eternal "blink of an eye" when anonymity is no longer promoted and all are held responsible for their actions and words.
The wise man speaks of truth, the scholar about it.
The wise man is in this world, the scholar of it.
The profane regard the wise man with disdain, but revere the scholar. ( Until the death of the wise man places his memory within the purview of the scholar.)
The wise man's domain is the eternal infinite; the scholar's; the time-bound history book.
The wise man speaks his own words, the scholar quotes the words of others.
The wise man's intelligence is self-evident, the scholar requires credentials.
The wise man is the spirit of the word, the scholar quibbles over the letter.
The wise man knows neither heaven or hell, the scholar knows hell and speculates about heaven.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your hatred for the Constitution and democracy
Re: Disinformation Agents and Writing on the Wall!!
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:50:09 GMT
From: Vanilla Gorilla (unknown)
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:20:08 GMT,
vg: arkent@arkenterprises.com (Raymond Karczewski) dropped trou in alt.fan.art-bell and left the following steaming pile:
rk: Even you will admit that our Constitution based "American Way of Life" is in jeopardy.
vg: Yes, because of people exactly like you, who feel free to willfully misinterpret it, to suit their agenda du jour. I hope you're proud.
--
V.G.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: The Nobody and the Somebody -- The Christ and the Ignoramus
rk: >> It is this "unawareness" that has allowed the few to rule the many since the dawn of Civilization.
vg: This is called "oligarchy", or "rule by the elite". It's supposed to be this way, and I am fully in favor of it. People like me rule people like you, because we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you. Frankly, we couldn't care less, whether you or anyone else are aware of it, as you are far too impotent to be able to do anything about it.
vg: Ever wonder why almost five years of your plaintive wailing have had NO effect, whatsoever? Well, wonder no more, Fat Boy. We know. You know. We know that YOU know, and now, you know that WE know. We just don't give a shit. Your poor, minuscule intellect cannot even comprehend its own insignificance. It's the old "mind over matter" problem, we don't mind, and you don't matter.
vg: It's like this: If you were good enough, you'd be in charge now.
vg: It's so simple, even you should have been able to figure it out, before now, but you haven't.
V.G.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Your meaningless drivel is boring Ray..Kill yourself
Re: Disinformation Agents and the Writing on the Wall!!"
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:44:57GMT
From: Don Abernathey (unknown)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No. Committment is clearly needed here.
Re: Do you need an in-home visit, Ray? (Dr. Wienermaimer)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:10:51 GMT
From: Get this guy's guns away from him (unknown)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I shudder when I think what you did to your children
Re: Disinformation Agents and the Writing on the Wall!!"
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:41:30 GMT
From: Offensive,degradedexcuse for human being (unknown)
rk: But love does call for ignorance to be pointed out when an unaware child continues to engage the sovereign in communication while imposing his ignorance into the mix of relationship. It gives the child an opportunity to grow up.
unk: This is a paltry attempt at justifying your sickening history of child abuse Ray. Tell us honestly (if for this one moment in history you can bring yourself to be such a thing as HONEST). You have three children: when was the last time you laid eyes on them?
NOTE: (by rk:) Three days ago!!! Next question!
unk: How many years/decades has it been Ray? What the hell did you to do your kids that even this long after they fled your violence and abuse, you're still trying to justify what you did to your own mind? You are an offensive and degraded excuse for a human being, and you have no room to preach to anyone about anything.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yeah, that's why you lie all the time
Re: Disinformation Agents and the Writing on the Wall!!"
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:34:16 GMT
From: Keep yourself together however you can? (unknown)
rk: Sometimes, Truth is a tough pill to swallow.
No small irony here Ray. You couldn't tell the truth about yourself and the vicious things you've done if your life depended on it. Every narrative you've ever told about your past has been disproven, yet you somehow think no one noticed this fact? Keep telling yourself thisd myth about the truth Ray: it's the only thing keeping you from open self-destruction.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You can't even be honest about what you are:pure bad faith
Re: Disinformation Agents and Writing on the Wall!!
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:59:04 GMT
From: SPV (unknown)
*********SPV.....Ray this is a lie. You claimed they would declare martial law 1999/2000 and it never happened. Then you said it happened but it is a secret. Ray you don't know the truth about yourself do you? You really believe yourself to be Christ Consciousness, and what you are is someone lying to themselves about who they are.
rk: Don't "talk about it." My words are documented in the archives for all to see. Why not bring up my actual words in their full context to make your case. That's called evidence. Not the generalized make it up as you go along, shooting from the hip type spins.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Raymond, you are boring
snoop posted
07-26-2001 01:39 PM
s: I for one will be pleased to NOT see such lengthy monologues or soliloquys after August is past.
s: The author continually presents a Catch 22 form of self-indulgent conversation.
s: Never addressing something of interest to or even remotely pertinent to our lives in the real world.
s: Granted he has a fine command of the language.
s: Far better suited to fiction than to a pretense at reality!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not a single lie here.
Re: What makes you think Ray K beat his wife and children? (I am Not Ray K!)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:52:07 GMT
From: Ray will not lie his way out of truth (unknown)
I knew Ray and Anita in Pacifica, and they were already sick as hell decades ago. History is history, and no amount of misdirection will change that history. Ray is accountable for his evil, no matter how much time has passed. He will not lie his way out of the truth. Not ever.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why are you positing they are lies?
Re: What makes you think Ray K beat his wife and children? (I am Not Ray K!)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:54:44 GMT
From: His violence and hate are public events (unknown)
Why would you posit they are lies?
How many threats has Ray issued on this forum alone, and to people he doesn';t even begin to know? Why would you simply assume he didn't treat his family as badly as he treats everyone else, and perhaps more so since they couldn't get away? Your suggestion is unintelligent, uninformed, and a patent attempt at misdirection away from the truth of what Ray's done. For this reason, and the fact you try and insist you are not Ray, strongly suggests you are. Your ploy won't work old man.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No one said anything about Anita
Re: What makes you think Ray K beat his wife and children? (I am Not Ray K!)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:55:51 GMT
From: She's been implicated in the abuse (unknown)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You are a liar about your child abuse
Re: Comments from the Peanut Gallery!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:07:25 GMT
From: Haven't seen the girl in DECADES (unknown)
unk: You have three children: when was the last time you laid eyes on them?
NOTE: by rk: Three days ago!!! Next question?
Bulls**t. You forget Ray. I spoke to your daughter when I was investigating your claims a while back, and she hasn't spoken to you or your filthy wife in decades. She threatened me with legal action if I ever contacted her again about you, THAT's how much of a relation you have with her. Care to deny that? GUTLESS LIAR. NEXT QUESTION?????
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: You Have a Right to Remain Silent!
dr. digger wrote: arkent@cdsnet.net
(Raymond Karczewski) wrote:
d: Fuck that right! I'm guilty! ...
rk: What is this piece of advice? "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of Law....etc, etc, etc."
rk: Not only have the bullies not heeded this advice in the ensuing months since the case was referred to the FBI, they trip over each other in putting their damning statements in writing.
rk: What does it say about a predatory group which relies upon outside intercessors to plead on their behalf to stop the present Conspiracy to Libel investigation by the FBI when they themselves spur each other on to increase the momentum and intensity of their self-incriminating behavior?
rk:Considering the consequences which will result from their prideful, irresponsible, and reprehensible behavior in this matter, such continual "pushing the envelope" makes them downright STUPID.
d: Ray! When you sent off for that matchbook-cover cluelessness course, did you remember not to mail the matches?
d: I, for one, have already tried to turn myself in to the FBI. As you recall, I called the Medford Resident Agency, and offered to assist them in their investigation. Not only did they not want to hear my confession, but they weren't interested in questioning me, nor even in talking to me! After a month, no Special Agent has shown up at my door!
d: Now look, I have waived all my 5th amendment rights! I confess! I have ridiculed you, blocked your posts, libeled you, called you a fucking liar repeatedly, denied you your freedom of speech, and conspired with others to do all the above! Is there anything else? I confess to everything! I admit I'm guilty as a at with canary feathers all over its puss! What more do you possibly need, bRaaay?
d: Now, where's my everluvven FBI agent, you bottom-feeding motherfucker?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is part of what I asked her about Ray (follow up)
Re: You are a liar about your child abuse (Haven't seen the girl in DECADES)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:38:35 GMT
From: Your myths are all coming undone (unknown)
Ray, you claimed in your post "Raymond Karczewski is True!" (dated April 21 1999) the following, which I asked your daughter about:
rk: Ah, credentials! Aside from being a guide to a standard of profiency in some intellectual/technological discipline, what do credentials have to do with one's living life intelligently in relationship with others. My daughter Kathryn earned her PhD at Harvard, yet our relationship of father-daughter remains intact. Her "parchment" has not gotten in the way.
dr. digger: Really. She despises you, doesn't she. Tell us, Ray, how long has it been since your daughter sent you a Father's Day card?
dr. Digger: Is Kathryn the one who set the toilet on fire? How did this happen? When I called her she said she hasn't seen you in over 20 years. Again, do you or Anita care to deny that? Or explain it? Your hatred for scholars and lawyers must have to do with your hatred for your own daughter. Two doctorates, one in the law, must knaw away at you like a cancer. Way too on the mark to be coincidence. In any case, what was interesting about calling her in that to track her down I had to find out her real name. The name you put on your website is incorrect. Why is it that you don't even know your own daughter's name, yet claim to have seen her 3 days ago? Pathetic liar. You can't even come up with a solid story to cover your own ass.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I consider abuse of defenseless children evil
Re: What exactly is this 'evil'? (Interested member of society)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:07:15 GMT
From: Lying about it is evil too. (unknown)
Ray not only abused his own family, but he's still trying to lie his way out of accountability. Not only that, he regularly attempts to dispense child-rearing advice to strangers on the net, thinking they don't know anything about his abusive past. The child abuse is clearly the greatest evil Ray and Anita have committed. The lying is evil too, insofar as it means they still refuse to accept responsiblity for their criminal behavior. Anyway you cut it, Ray is a slinking low character, and will not be allowed to rewrite his own history into a personal fantasy he is God.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Verbal, screaming abuse and financial abuse, mostly
Re: Once more you fail to descrine specifically the 'abuse'... (Go home hatemonger)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:44:01 GMT
From: Is this Ray, or Anita? (unknown)
There weren't any physical beatings, as far as I know. He viciously abused his children verbally though, and I personally witnessed it. Repeatedly. I never mentioned anything about physical beatings, but I stand by my eye-witness acount of how he viciously verbally abused them to the point they were suicidal and ran away. Any questions? You might want to read some of his posts, and imagine how such a person would treat people the legal system will not protect because he is the biological father. He was however never a *real* father to any of the three kids, and in a court of law I will swear to this under oath. By the way, are you sure you're not Ray or Anita?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray, you're flipping out about your sentencing.
Re: Comments from the Peanut Gallery!! (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:13:57 GMT
From: Learn to act like a responsible adult (unknown)
Get a grip of your Ray. You're clearly scared about tomorrow, and this isn't helping you. You're better off growing up and learning to accept adult responsibility than to be acting like a 3-year-old child having a constant tantrum.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
" Me"
posted 07-26-2001 10:16 AM
Who really cares about those conversations?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
rk: AND THEN ALONG COMES RICK "THE SIGHTED" AMIDST THE BLIND AND THE DAMNED.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
rick@okelley.org
posted 07-26-2001 11:06 AM
r: I find his post interesting and of value.
r: But the bigger question is, if one find what Raymond is posting to be boring, why bother reading them? One of our freedoms is to skip over what we do not choose to read. I do it everyday.
r: Thankfully we have the freedom to express our views even if some judge them to be of no value so, Raymond, keep them coming.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
rk: THIS HAS BEEN A TEST!!! (Anybody out there able to discern the difference in energy in an "exception to the rule?")
Joseph Keeney wrote:
Boots 7.5 wrote
Ray Karczewski wrote:
Thu Jul 26 22:39:55 2001
jk: There are many good articles posted by patriots. A tip-off that the article may be too good (right-on-the-money), in my opinion, is when the posting immediately after it changes the subject almost completely. It is almost as if the replying person did not want anyone to expand the initial idea.
jk: I have seen it work the same way in other sites holding discussions like these.
b: Joe, just keep focused and ignore the diversions. You do a good job and we appreciate your participation. Take care and God Bless. God Bless the Patriots.
rk: Boots, it is a mistake to "ignore the diversions." The energy underlying your comments exudes a sedating energy rather than a momentum of awakening. The American People have been asleep long enough. It's time to awaken the populace, not sedate them any further.
rk: Rather, intense public focus ought to be directed upon looking "deeper" into such mind control/spin tactics which keep them in a constant state of Helplessness, Hopelessness and Fear. Such is the wellspring of apathy. An apathetic public is a controllable public, is it not?
rk: I have written "thousands" of articles on the Internet over the last 6 years. Not ONE (1) "original" article initiated by me has been allowed to stand. Thus development into a viable thread of serious dialogue was stopped cold in its tracks. How? Through a swarm of predictable, repetitive, control techniques which include attack, intimidation, libel, and irrelevant, inane misdirections. All created by government/media sponsored/supported Disinformation Agents operating in anonymity to destroy the thread and intimidate others from joining in serious dialogue. Do you want *mounds of evidence* to support these assertions. Keep reading!!
rk: It is this issue that is the subject of the criminal complaint I lodged with the Medford, Oregon FBI office on November 2nd, 1997, and which resulted in the subsequent Stonewalling of the American People by Federal officials from the White House to Senators and major media. Anybody seen any of this published in the National Media? Isn't an Intelligence Community conducting mind control experiments on the American people considered NEWS???
rk: Isn't Attorney General Ashcroft conducting an investigation into the abuses of the FBI? In the mind of such a reponsible Public Official, is a government/intelligence/media mind control/disinformation operation unlawfully used against American Citizens in clear violation of the US Constitution? At the most, is it not "Treasonous," and at the least, "abuse?"
rk: The Internet is rife with well-entrenched disinformation agents spread far and wide on these newsgroups/forums. Their purpose is to commandeer and control the flow of information and not allow serious dialogue to occur. "Divide and Conquer." Have you heard of it?
rk: To see it at work, check any of my original articles (under the name Raymond Karczewski) and observe the instant tangential momentum of misdirection generated by these government/media disinformation agents.
rk: A crystal clear example of it may be found by checking out my petition to compel the FBI to release the findings of its Investigation into Government/Media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation experiments being used upon the unwary Internet using American Public.
See it at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html
rk: There you will observe mind control/disinformation techniques used openly and "in your face" by these "spin doctor" mind controllers, as they misdirect the American Public from exercising their Constitutional Right to hold their Government officials responsible and accountable for their clear Malfeasance.
rk: Who amongst you are so deeply asleep that you do not yet recognize that ALL other means of PUBLIC dissemination of Information and communications are under the control of private interests. The Internet is the last bastion of Freedom of Speech. What makes you think that they are going to let that "loophole" which stands between liberty and slavery slip through their fingers?
rk: Wake Up, America. IT'S YOUR CONSTITUTION.
rk: USE IT OR LOSE IT!!
rk: Those who are angered as to why I should post these communications with the court on this issue of Rights vs. Privilege on the public Internet, let me just say that a citizen brought before Traffic Court walks into a "Stacked Deck."
rk: Traffic Court is not a Court of Record, yet a citizen's words and actions made in those non-recorded proceedings can be used against him and often in violation of his Rights. It is therefore my intention to expose all communications and therefore make it a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. It may also assist others in demystifying their own particular conditioned ideas held of the Courts -- not to mention, it keeps everyone honest.
Honorable Carol Roberts
Justice of the Peace
Justice Court
209 N. Main Canyonville OR 97417
Judge Roberts,
I begin by stating that I reserve all of my Rights at all times and waive none of them at any time.
I did not appear in your court this date as I was not lawfully summoned by the court to appear. I hold that this court has no jurisdiction over this natural person, a Freeman who has not contracted his Rights away through attaining an Oregon Driver's License. To have appeared in answer to your "invitation" to appear, would have caused me to waive my rights at law and submit to the court's unlawful jurisdiction.
As per our phone conversation on this date July 27, 2001 at 2:35 PM, your determination to enter a default judgment against me for Failure to Appear, lacks "force of law". I object to the court's ruling and add that to the other objections made for purposes of appeal.
I will appear at the Canyonville Justice Court on Monday, July 30th, 2001 specially and not generally or voluntarily, nor of my own free will, but under threat, duress and coercion.
This letter serves as my Notice of Appeal to the Circuit Court.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Disgusting
Re: Here is part of what I asked her about Ray (follow up) (Your myths are all coming undone)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:10:40 GMT
From: Low even for this forum (unknown)
Whatever this guy Ray is, to badger his kids about him is unconscionable. Whatever his family history is they don't deserve to be contacted by strangers and harrassed because their father is a kook on the Internet. If you want to criticize Ray, do so, but this is low even for this forum.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If this is true Ray...
Re: Here is part of what I asked her about Ray (follow up) (Your myths are all coming undone)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:52:12 GMT
From: Why isn't she your legal counsel? (unknown) and your daughter is a lawyer, why isn't she representing or advising you about your legal problems tomorrow?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray you chicken heart. You're all talk, no action
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:07:55 GMT
From: Lacking in courage as well as brains (unknown)
You are pathetic. After all this blowhard crap you've been spewing for months now, you lose all nerve and run away. You ought to be ashamed. Keep running Ray. You are so far below a real man I don't know what species you are.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Didn't have integrity to argue in court, yet you spam here
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:38:30 GMT
From: Such a screaming hypocrite (unknown)
This means nothing Ray. Your spam is nothing but impotent raving of a frightened little man who doesn't have the nerve to make his case in a court of law. It's always teh same story with you. You threaten everyone, bluster and grandstand to strangers all over the Internet, but when it comes to actually ACTING on your grandiose delusions of yourself, you fail every time. You deserve no respect for being such a hypocrite.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:07:33 GMT
From: IceNine (icenine@locnetwork.com)
rk: icenine, in his selective quoting and editing of multiple posts attempts to establish a "contradiction in essence."
in: Again, you prove your lack of a spine.
in: Gutcheck Number 1.
in: From--COPS and CONFISCATION: The New Trend In America! 6/10/2001
in: My errant Law Enforcement "brothers" will first have to arrest me and declare a 63-year-old retired Police Sergeant living on pension here in southern Oregon, one who has never been arrested nor spent a single minute behind bars in his entire life to be -- A CRIMINAL."
in: From--A Rush to Judgment: The Citizen, Constitutional Rights, and America's Justice System!! 6/29/2001
in: "June 27th, 2:00 PM....I responded to the Canyonville Justice Court for my scheduled hearing listed on the citation."
in: Gutcheck Number 2.
in: From--"Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the law!" 7/22/01
in: "I have demanded my right to due process in a common law court of record. Traffic Court is not a common law court of record. I demanded that the proper court of Jurisdiction either send a summons compelling me to appear, swear out a warrant for my arrest, or else dismiss the charges."
in: "If the warrant for my arrest bears the name of any other Magistrate but that of Traffic Court judge Carol Roberts, that alone establishes a prima facie case for the Traffic Court' lack of Jurisdiction? Let us see what course of action is decided upon by Judge Roberts, shall we?"
in: From--"Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the law! 7/27/01 (A letter to Traffic Court Judge Carol Roberts)
in: "I will appear at the Canyonville Justice Court on Monday, July 30th, 2001 specially and not generally or voluntarily, nor of my own free will, but under threat, duress and coercion."
rk: NOTE: "icenine, if this is your attempt at establishing a "contradiction in essence" you'd better keep working at it.
rk: By the way, you'd better start boning up on court procedure while you still have some time. You'll have more than enough problems to contend with in dealing with future courts when I wind up this Constitution Rights vs Privilege issue.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray, people just don't like you that's all
Re: Changing the Subject -- Mind Control (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:55:50 GMT
From: You're mean, stupid, and arrogant.Period (unknown)
You're an arrogant ass given to attack and abuse, who never has anything of import or intelligence to say. No government agents here, except in your overwrought imagination. Just a lot of folks who find you either a joke or offensive for personal reasons. You posit ridiculous things to explain your own absolute problems dealing with reality.
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:01:19 GMT
From: Hal (unknown) wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
h: Note to Mr. K.
h: A man of your experience and intelligence knows when to do battle, and usually choses the battlefield. Weighing the gains against the losses is important. Use of an automobile would seem a necessity for most, especially outside metropolitan areas. The trouble and expense for a license & insurance pales when compared to the benefit (& often necessity). Even if the State were wrong, in its demands of you at present, compliance is fairly simple and inexpensive. Parents sometimes comply with an infant's unjust demands simply because compliance is easier than a fussy child. Look at the State of Oregon as you would that child, claiming it can control who uses the highways and requiring its permission (with simple conditions).
rk: You're not looking at the BIG PICTURE.
rk: How many BILLIONS of dollars have been bilked from MILLIONS of citizens in fines?
rk: How many gullible, hapless individuals have had their freedoms stripped away, were *unnecessarily* incarcerated and/or coerced by the courts to "voluntarily consent" to contracting for costly psychological counseling in order to support an evergrowing judicial/law enforcement/penal/mental health industry?
rk: How many MILLIONS have been defrauded by their government officials (in whom they have placed their trust) into waiving their rights and securing an unnecessary driver's license, thus CONSENTING to be PROSECUTED according to the terms of the contract?
rk: So you tell me. What does a man who sees all this do? Capitulate? Slink away? Surrender his dignity? Assent to his own slavery? Is that your answer?
rk: IT CERTAINLY IS NOT MINE!!
Always amazed (unk) wrote:
Sat Jul 28 06:33:56 2001
aa: Are you saying you ran away after all you've said?
rk: Obviously you are incapable of comprehending what you read. I haven't run anywhere, have I?
aa: Am understanding you correctly: you didn't even show up to argue your position after all the boasting you've posted about being a freedom fighter on this forum?
aa: What does that say about you?
rk: It says that by demanding that the traffic court judge issue a lawful summons which has with it the "force of law" commanding me to appear in her court, my refusal to accept her "invitation" to appear protected my Rights as I did not "voluntarily" waive them and thereby accept the jurisdiction of the court over a Freeman, where it has none.
aa: The result wouldn't have been any different, since you clearly don't understand how law is made or changed, or what the Constitution guarantees about driving per se (i.e., nothing).
rk: As to results being any different, Yogi Berra said it well, "It ain't over till its over."
aa: But given all you've done these past several weeks, and the unending attacks against strnagers on other forums that you repost here constantly, I'm stunned you didn't even carry through on making the argument in court. In your own mind Raymond, what do you imagine you accomplsihed?
rk: Ignoramuses are always stunned when their limited perceptual apparatus
is presented with situations which are NEVER what they appear.
Always amazed
Then why "slink away?"
Sat Jul 28 08:16:58 2001
aa: You claim it is not your style to "slink away" from contesting the judicial system, yet that is exactly what you did!
rk: Perhaps you will expound on what you mean by the phrase "slink away?"
aa: Why should anyone take your *words* seriously when even you are incapable of backing them up with action? either fight or don't fight.
rk: On whose terms? Yours? Those of an unlawful court which has no jurisdiction over a freeman? Mine?
aa: But it is a waste of time to *pretend* to combat what you perceive is injustice when all you do is flee it when confronted.
rk: Again, perhaps you will expand on what you mean by the word "fleeing?" I neither ran toward nor away from an unlawful act by the court. I merely Stood Fast and, in doing so preserved and maintained my Rights.
rk: This response has been made to two of your posts made within an hour and a half of each other. Your attempt at misdirection falls flat, doesn't it oh anonymous sniper who stands in the shadows and take shots?
rk: What does that say about YOUR integrity?
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums
Ray! I love you man!...
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:25:14 GMT
From: B's Bro (unknown)
Renew your driver's license and move on. Nobody cares.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Raymond Karczewski is a gutless hypocrite
Re: Town Square (New Admin)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:24:14 GMT
From: Just resume threats after running away (unknown)
ALl this spewage about fighting the system, only to promptly tuck his tail between his legs and RUN LIKE HELL. You can jam your screeds Ray: your hypocrisy in so much writing on the wall, as is your lack of integrity, courage, and intellectual strength. You're a broken old man issuing constant impotent threats against anyone who doesn't worship you. You are beneath contempt. Leave it to you to simply return here and start screeching about your "rights" when you didn't have the minimum force of character and thought to stand up, make your argument, and deal with the consequences. You're like some retarded child.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You show no understanding of this guy's psychology
Re: Raymond Karczewski is a gutless hypocrite (Just resume threats after running away)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:11:49 GMT
From: Ray's a cyberspace show (unknown)
Ray deals uniquely in fantasy.
This is why he spends his entire life on the Internet: he can't deal with real people on any level whatsoever. He's done this so many times: threaten people, scream about injustice, but when called to account for himself he immediately runs away. That's why he had to leave California. He ran away from legal problems there too, and can't return to the state. What do you expect him to do with his time, or whatever time he has before he is made to be responsible for himself, but spew more self-aggrandizing s**t here on this safe, little forum? Nothing Ray says has anything to do with reality, it's just a way for him to make a show of his own ego in cyberspace.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray K. All Bravado...No Balls.
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:43:44 GMT
From: IceNine (icenine@locnetwork.com)>
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:07:33 GMT
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: NOTE: "icenine, if this is your attempt at establishing a "contradiction in essence" you'd better keep working at it.
Funny, I thought I was just calling you a spineless, gutless, impotent little turd. What part of that were you having trouble with?
rk: By the way, you'd better start boning up on court procedure while you still have some time to do so. You'll have more than enough problems to contend with in dealing with future courts when I wind up this Constitution Rights vs Privilege issue.
Judging from your luck, cowardice, and apparent sloth like speed, I doubt very much that the problems of libel, slander, disinformation agents on the Internet, and your failure to use a turn signal will matter much when the Earth is once again plunged into an Ice Age.
You'll forgive me if I fail to tremble at your hollow threat?
i9
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Like I said, if you want to fight, fight.
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:01:02 GMT
From: Always amazed (unknown)
You didn't go to court, you didn't answer for yourself, you made no compelling argument that licensing laws are unconstitutional, and now demand to be regarded as though you had. You did none of these things, and are playing little forum games instead. I have no respect for that at all. If you want to contest the judiciary, do it then, but refusing to take responsibility for yourself and running away instead of taking a mature stand are the actions of a child. As for my handle on this forum, you might want to look around. This is largely an anonymous forum, based on the content of the messages, not the personality of the posters. Why are you so attached to authoritarian logic, as proved by your refusal to weigh the force of logic and evidence, preferring instead to attack the messenger? I doubt you are capable of understanding the difference, being wholly devoted to self-aggrandizing attack and sophistry. I stand by my observations, even if you can't begin to answer them in terms of adult *will* and *action.* If you want to reform licensing laws, so it in a meaningful way, and don't spend all your time attacking strangers instead because they find your word games infantile and tedious. Talk is cheap Ray, and in your case, *real* cheap. Get past it if you want to be considered a *real* patriot.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ray, you weren't "invited" to court
Re: Oregon Courts: The "Slick" Side of the Law (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:04:14 GMT
From: Hell, isn't it???? (unknown)
You were summoned because you broke the law. Period. A court summons for a lawbreaker to appear and answer fro his actions is no "invitation," as you will eventually find out, despite your extreme mental retardation. Run as hard as you like, but you will be made accountable, either in this state or by being made to leave Oregon under much the same duress as you did when you were forced to flee California. It must be hell being such a social parasite as you and you wife are.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This isn't a question of capitulation
Re: Note to Mr. K. (Hal)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:11:31 GMT
From: Ray doesn't understand history here (unknown)
This is the wrong way to encourage Raymond to think about what he's done. Requiring people demonstrate competence to drive a potentially dangerous vehicle is reasonable, responsible, and to encourage Ray to think the Constitution gives him some "right" to endanger others is just wrong. He simple doesn't at all understand the legislative history surrounding the constitutional right to "travel" and what this means in the Founder's language, and has taken it for some guarantee he can do whatever he wants on the roads. He should inform himself and act like an adult instead. Ray is sick enough without people encouraging him to think and act like a child. He already does that.