An
Important Spiritual Dialogue
between a Christ and a Christian for All Christians to Read.
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Julie Williams
wrote:
Raymond
Karczewski wrote:
jw: >
there is NO SUCH PLACE AS HELL ...hell is a word derived from the
hebrew word sheol ..and the greek word hades ..meaning common grave of
mankind ..if you deont believe me look it up in translations
rk: Julie,
you appear to be a victim of your "beliefs." Such is the nature of all
Religious and Political thinking. Hell is HERE AND NOW, on Earth, for
all those who are condemned to filter the holistic energy of life
through through their systematic, remote controlled, fragmented,
divisive/opposing conditioned intellects.
rk: Divine
Awareness is Truth. It is Infinite. Satanic Intellectualism is the step
away from Direct Perception (Fall from Grace) and descent into
Intellectual Hell, i.e., the "unhealthy ego." One must end the vagaries
of the blind, computer-like Intellect for the Spirit of Divine
Intelligence to be Resurrected as the realm of Christ Consciousness.
That is the essence of the statement "One must die to be reborn of the
Spirit."
rk: Julie I know
no more about you than I do Arthur. What I do have is the apprehension
of resonance of energy behind your words. One is based in the
dissonance of debate, argument. It divides The other is the harmonious
resonance which embraces, brings together. Read your words. Read
Arthur's, Decide for yourself, who is who!
jw:
> Raymond you know nothing of me at all nor of who i am
by the comment that you made on my religious beliefs ..psycological
clap trap is what i call it ..ive been there done that.. and worn the
T-shirt when i speak, i speak with directness and straight to the point
Arthur bases his beliefs on pure fantasy like many people that want to
live in a perfect world ..but this world as it is and the majority of
the people in this world do not care ..he is only a minority ..man in
his supposed intelligence thinks that he has all the answers ..and this
is the exact reason as to why the world and society is so messed up
..any person that wants to live independant of god's guidence is doomed
to fail there is no one greater than the creator ..and the creator is
not man he is only a product of creation ..what man chooses to do with
man is of no fault of god as man has been given free will to test out
his theories ..of which are destined to colapse and come to nothing
..just because man doesnt want to be accountable to a higher being
..does not prove that he doesnt exist ..with out him we wouldnt exist
rk: Julie, Your
words, your attitude, your energy speak volumes of your present
consciousness. I don't need to know your background. Your ideas,
memories and rote learned concepts are but superficial aspects of your
present self image being expressed in your words. It is this either
harmonious or dissonant energy which reveals yourself to the world. It
is not always how you see yourself for all self-images are "works- in-
progress illusions.. Your energy has the ring of all self-righteous
Christians who know nothing of God, but for their own man-made sources
of conditioning. Such is the nature of Christian delusion for they
violate their own First Commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods
before me." They worship the "idea" of god, as they serve and worship
the false image of GOD that have been trained into them. Truth, God,
can never be arrived at via the path which leads to the "Idea of
Thought" god. Tis a Satanic trap, millions have fallen to throughout
Millenia.
jw: >
Raymond these are not my reasonings only my beleif in the word of
god ...if you call me self righteous ..its because God's words are
righteous ..not mine
rk: Julie,
Belief is a Lazy Man's Truth. Belief is relegated to the Satanic Realm
of Mind Control. Your dissonant energy and propensity for argument
speaks loudly and clearly of one who believes but does not understand
that which they speak of. It is understanding, Truth that shall set you
free, NOT BELIEF.
rk: Julie
Williams: "Raymond beleif in god does not mean it comes from
satanic belief systems ..only an ignorent person would say that ..you
have no basis on which that reasoning stands "
rk: On the
contrary. ALL belief is based in Intellectual thought, ALL intellectual
thought is Satanic in nature, that is, it is limited, dualistic and
opposing in its nature. The very root of the word Satanic is "opposer."
rk: Such
fragmented thought is found in the superficial realm of Human
Consciousness, the intellect.. Thoughts , beliefs, are not whole, but
serve as reflections of that which is holistic but cannot otherwise be
described or communicated to others by Divine Awareness.
rk: Direct
apprehension of Truth is beyond words, beyond the realm of the
limitations of the Intellect. Such Divine Awareness may be labeled
"Christ Consciousness." The Intellect must be silent for Divine
Awareness to be. The noisy fragments, thoughts, beliefs, symbols,
images asserting themselves in a noisy believer must end for the WHOLE
of truth to express itself in the eternal moment of Now.
rk: That is the
problem civilized man has faced since his Fall from Grace, his fall
from Direct Perception of Truth into the hellish abyss of his own
Satanic Ruled dualistic, opposing Intellect.
rk: You see,
Julie, you are not alone. All men/women who live in their flawed
intellects and filter Truth through their conditioned limitations ,
suffer the hell of their confusion via such "misdirected attention."
They cannot see, as they are Spiritually Blind, so they must THINK. Its
like flying blind on automatic pilot. Its "almost but no cigar."
rk: That is the
plight of all Satanic ruled Believers. They have invested their lives,
suffer endless confusion and contradiction, yet are completely unaware
of their source of suffering because THEY BELIEVE IN COUNTERFEIT TRUTH
jw:
> the intellect of this world is far fronm the
reasonings and the intellect of God ..or can you not see the condition
of the world ?
rk;
Come on Julie, that is merely an Intellectual Projection of yours and
has nothing to do with God. You are being defensive because you have
wandered in well over your head in matters you only speculate about. I
am not arguing with you. I am merely pointing out the obvious.
jw:
> Raymond ..as i have said its only the blind that cant
see..its not a projection of mine its a reality ..ask those that were
born before your time and ask them what they see ..and how degenerated
this world has become ..it may be your obvious ..but not everyones
rk:
Julie, this is turning into a "cat fight." I don't engage in catfights
I merely expose them. Yours is the defensive position of a blind
believer. You are not alone. Millions and millions of others
commiserate with you. Have you not heard the one about "Misery loves
company"? What do your words say? Do you actually pay attention to
them. What kind of argument would resort to irrational fantasies as
directing another to "..ask those that were born before your time and
ask them what they see" I submit you are completely unaware of what you
say. Time to open your eyes and ears. Your satanic fantasies have a
death grip on you.
jw: >
Raymond i dont argue ..thats your perception ..i try to reason
with the unreasonable ..such as you ..if you are not interested in what
i have to say and you would rather throw attacks thinking that its
going to have some effect on me you are wasting your time
rk: Julie, you
represent the satanic consciousness of most Christian Believers. You
speak of love, yet you separate yourself from others, by silly beliefs.
You talk of God, yet you worship your own conditioned ideas of god.
Your reasoning is flawed as evidenced by your argument to "..ask those
that were born before your time and ask them what they see", a
statement both insane and inane. Yet you get your back up as you stand
before the Mirror of Truth and observe yourself actually, as you are,
as you stand before it. I have not attacked you in this thread. You are
arguing with the reflection you see in the Mirror of Truth. There is no
escape from it. You are, however Julie, providing a valuable service by
being so prideful as you argue your state of ignorance. Some will see
themselves in your words, Most will not. That is where the spiritual
wheat is separated from its chaff.
jw: >
Raymond dont you know any elderly people then is that an insane
request ?..anyone that lived in the early 1900,s and before that could
tell you how the world has changed for the worse..are you then saying
that the words of jesus are satanic ? and i worship God in the way that
is set out by his word ..i do not listen to doctrines of clergy or the
like of relgious leaders ..so i havent been indoctrinated either ..and
then you have the same response in using jesus parable from the WORD of
God...and the bible tells us to get out of false religion if we do not
want to share in her plagues and recieve the same out -come that has
been stored up for her demise "
rk: Julie,
I suggest that you don't know Truth, You don't know the words of a
Christ such as was Jesus of Nazareth.
rk: Are the
words attributed to Jesus satanic as you read them in today's Bible and
other religious material?. YES! YES! YES!
rk: Jesus
committed nothing to writing. His disciples did not even understand
him, otherwise they too, would have been Christs and would have spoken
directly of the holistic (holy) Truth which resided in them..
rk: The
words of Jesus which you and millions of other long-suffering
Christians worship arise from the flawed consciousness of other power
oriented men who created and preside over religious institutions. One
only has to look to the Vatican to see how demonic and worldly such
divergence from the words of Christ can provide position, power and
wealth.
rk: You say
you "worship God in the way that is set out by his word" yet you do not
see that phrase is of the same inane fantasy nature as your comment to
"..ask those that were born before your time and ask them what they see"
rk: From
where arose the words you worship if not those extracted from the
doctrines of clergy and the like of religious leaders? You claim you
have not been indoctrinated, yet your every expression proves that you
are. The greatest lie the Satanic tradition has perpetrated upon
mankind is that one must believe that there was only One Christ and
many impostors shall come in his name, claiming to be Christ. What
greater protection against discovery, or a greater example of mind
control could there be to insure that the original Institutionalized
deception will continue ad infinitum and not be questioned or exposed?
rk: That is why wars go on, people killing people over
divisive satanic concepts all the while praying for Peace on Earth?
Insane, isn't it. Inane, isn't it? Hell, isn't it?
Civilized
Man and His Two Governments: When Illusions
End, Truth Begins.
Linda wrote:
Raymond Karczewski
wrote:
July 14 at 9:22am
Hi Linda,
Much is going on, but
you will be reading in in the new headlines.
l:
> Do I need to know something?
July 15 at
1:16pm
l:
> Hi Raymond,
l:
> What does it pertain to? I just didn't want my kids to read
about anything regarding Josephine County. All too negative there.
I don't know how to answer your question. The problem goes well beyond
the boundaries of JOSEPHINE COUNTY OREGON. It is the basic
premise that you have been conditioned to believe all your life is the
Truth, THAT YOUR ARE FREE, that is the GRAND LIE you and millions
of other presently live under.
There are presently two governments existing simultaneously, side by
side in America Today. The DeJure Constitutional Republic based
on the Constitution of 1787, and the De Facto Government, the Private
corporate government which presently occupies the public attention
today and increasingly is tyrannizing its own slaves, its
property.
Americans have been schnookered into slavery and have thus become
"wards of the State" with no rights. It is all accomplished
through the government's presumption that you are 14th Amendment
Citizens (slaves with no rights) Through that legal trick, (and
monetization of the Birth Certificate) they convert it into a financial
instrument which is traded on the financial markets of the world.
In other words, through such lawlerly "Smoke and Mirrors", they now own
you. They own your home. They own your car. They own
your children. They own your labor. The government is getting
their "ducks in a row" to declare Martial Law, declare war upon the
American People, because the American People are beginning to wake up
to the GREAT CON.
All
contracts require FULL DISCLOSURE of all terms prior to agreement to be
valid. Were you aware that you were selling your children into
slavery when you filled out the Birth Certificate application at the
hospital, when you had your babies? The simple act of
rescindment of all Federal and State, contracts, Marriage license,
driver license, 14th Amendment adhesion contract, because there existed
at the time a lack of full disclosure returns you to your Proper Status
as a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man or Woman
of the Sovereign People, the creator of your servant government.
Once that
is accomplished, merely a collective BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT of
Financial and Psychological support of the DeFacto Government and the
"House of Cards" comes tumbling down. In that moment of human
integrity and courage, you will have returned to the "Home of the Brave
and Land of the Free."
For
the last 15 years, I have been standing atop the mountain wherein
Truth resides, looking down into the valley of death and destruction,
the valley of illusion, the valley of lies, speaking truth to the
four winds, allowing the winds to take it to whomever and whereever it
is invited. Problem is, Truth is not, and never has been welcome
in the valley of the slaves.
All I can hear is the distant and muffled moaning, and groaning
of broken spirited men and women whose energy once resonated as
Sovereigns of their own lives. Divine Creations, Masters of their
lives.
Now they live in fear, distrust, many indulge themselves in silly
positive imaged religious and new aged fantasies to distract themselves
from their actual state of being. They CAN'T HANDLE THE
TRUTH so they pray to a counterfeit god which exists nowhere but
in their own conditioned thoughts. They pray and
pray, bow and scrape, sing hymn to distract them from their spiritual
isolation, yet their prayers are not answered. They sink deeper
and deeper into their own morose intellects waiting for some Savior
introduced into their consciousness by satanic mind controllers to come
and rescue them, yet he does not come. He has never come. He's
just an empty promise bestowed upon the hopeless and the
helpless. Why? Because He does not exist but in the
fantasies of spiritually broken people.
They are waiting to hear the end of the story. Here it is.
THE END! Such a Blessing. When Illusion ENDS,
Truth BEGINS.
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©.
