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Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: >> Saumen, You have said it well, my Brother. Only in a state of "being" does one communicate holisticly. It occurs in the time-bound, dualistic realm of consciousness, when the essence of one's words are of the same timeless energy albeit of a subtler manifested vibration as ones subsequent grosser actions. Only when words and actions are indistinguishable does truth manifest in that human "point of spiritual light."
rk: >> Aimless, linear, intellectual "Talkabouts" bandy about concepts endlessly, never ever, coming to realize in their moment of communication the schisms they perpetuate within themselves and others.
rk: >> Someone once said that "talk was cheap", yet that seems to be what fuels these newsgroups occupied by civilized men enthralled by their trancelike state of inertia. Empty talk feeds circular trances which binds "Talkabouts" to their hypnotic spells of choice. This newgroups exemplifies such energy. K (Krishnamurti) must be rolling over in his grave at what goes on under his name.
rk: >> Saumen, some may say that what you have done in this post is to do that they do, that is, to merely state words, yet I would say to them they are blinded to the deeper energy which underlie those words. Your words have the distinct ring of Truth. They are holistic in their essence. . They bring closure to open ended circular debate.
Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:07:50
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) writes:
Jer' Sherwood wrote:
rk: >> Aimless, linear, intellectual "Talkabouts" bandy about concepts endlessly, never ever, coming to realize in their moment of communication the schisms they perpetuate within themselves and others.
Jer: > Yes, I understand clearly what you say Ray. You are talking about divisions such as placing people in catagories such as "Talkabouts" and "Talkofs"
rk; Cute! Words are technical symbols necessary to communicate at this vibration of being. Holistic (silence) listening transcends the letter-of-the-word definition based in the cluttered consciousness of "Talkabouts." If one communicates only at that letter-of-the-word level, they are bound to knowledge. Beyond that limited realm of intellectual knowledge lies the infinite wherein the essence of the word is transmitted telepathically. When one listens holistically, telepathy and technical symbolism merge as one to bring one to a moment of "understanding."
rk: >> Someone once said that "talk was cheap", yet that seems to be what fuels these newsgroups occupied by civilized men enthralled by their trancelike state of inertia. Empty talk feeds circular trances which binds "Talkabouts" to their hypnotic spells of choice. This newgroups exemplifies such energy. K must be rolling over in his grave at what goes on under his name.
Jer: > So Ray, what is the source of this energy? If there is a different source for it than all the other energy? Are you proposing some sort of dualistic universe?
rk: The source of all "IS this energy." It is the nondualistic flow of the Infinite. As it flows into and through the realm of intellect, nondualism is bifurcated into opposing streams of energy, much like a river's current cutting the one holistic flow into two distinct paths by a protruding obstacle in its path. At that moment the time-bound dualistic universe is born within man's consciousness, and all perceptions are subject to one's conditioned, dualistic interpretations. In that realm one's perceptions are limited, altered via the filters of the conditionable Intellect. I have not proposed a dualistic universe. It is so, but only within the dualistic intellect which has created it. Thus the conditioned word-based illusions of man are mistaken for the nondualistic fact they seek to reflect. That is civilized man's step away from the nondualistic, directly perceivable WHAT IS and into an altered state of consciousness (hypnosis) wherein the "idea" is believed to be the "fact."
rk: Do you not see that it is this shift of consciousness which has enslaved civilized man since his fall from Grace (holistic perception)?
rk: >> Saumen, some may say that what you have done in this post is to do that they do, that is, to merely state words, yet I would say to them they are blinded to the deeper energy which underlie those words. Your words have the distinct ring of Truth. They are holistic in their essence. .
Jer: > Yes, Sam speaks clearly, from his heart and direct to another's heart.
rk: >>They bring closure to open ended circular debate.
Jer: > But what is this closure b.s.? Do you mean attaching to something as some sort of final answer, an absolute truth? Then truth has been denied. Also, how can something be openended and circular at the same time?
rk; Closure is the ending of duality. When something is understood, the momentum of opposing images at war with each other is seen in a fleeting moment of insight. The momentum halted, the illusions disintegrate. What is left is the holistic energy of Truth, the undeniable "What IS," and one sees that ONE IS THAT.
rk: >> One can only love and act out of that love with others by stopping the hypocritical tendency to hide behind dualistic concepts. One must end the empty chatter of concepts before one can RISK, BE, ACT, LOVE! Do that, and I assure you, our world will change.
Jer: > I do hope you pay close attention to your last paragraph, Ray. I can take this statement to heart.
rk: What has hope to do with any of this?
Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:58:00
Jer' Sherwood wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) writes:
rk: >>>> Aimless, linear, intellectual "Talkabouts" bandy about concepts endlessly, never ever, coming to realize in their moment of communication the schisms they perpetuate within themselves and others.
Jer: >>> Yes, I understand clearly what you say Ray. You are talking about divisions such as placing people in catagories such as"Talkabouts" and "Talkofs"
rk; >> Cute! Words are technical symbols necessary to communicate at this vibration of being.
Jer: > Yes, but what are you communicating with these words? Division? Dualism? Conflict?
rk: I am communicating What IS! What is it that you are receiving, and how does it arise within you?
rk: >> Holistic (silence) listening transcends the letter-of-the-word definition based in the cluttered consciousness of"Talkabouts." If one communicates only at that letter-of-the-word level, they are bound to knowledge. Beyond that limited realm of intellectual knowledge lies the infinite wherein the essence of the word is transmitted telepathically. When one listens holistically, telepathy and technical symbolism merge as one to bring one to a moment of"understanding."
Jer: > So then, is your only interest in "Preaching to the choir". Because the only ones who will be pointed in the right directions by your words are the ones who do not need to be pointed anywhere!
rk: Why make such an assumption? My manner of expression is not parochial in nature, is it? It is for anyone who has the eyes to see and the ears to hear; additionally, it is for those who are ready to invite fundamental change into their lives. For many others not yet ready for such change, my words will not be heard for such souls will continue to be mired in their positive-imaged religious schmoozing as they while away their lives.
Jer' Sherwood wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
r: >>>> Someone once said that "talk was cheap", yet that seems to be what fuels these newsgroups occupied by civilized men enthralled by their trancelike state of inertia. Empty talk feeds circular trances which binds "Talkabouts" to their hypnotic spells of choice. This newgroups exemplifies such energy. K must be rolling over in his grave at what goes on under his name.
Jer: >>> So Ray, what is the source of this energy? If there is a different source for it than all the other energ? Are you proposing somesort of dualistic universe?
rk: >> The source of all "IS this energy." It is the nondualistic flow of the Infinite. As it flows into and through the realm of intellect, nondualism is bifurcated into opposing streams of energy, much like a river's current cutting the one holistic flow into two distinct paths by a protruding obstacle in its path. At that moment the time-bound dualistic universe is born within man's consciousness, and all perceptions are subject to one's conditioned, dualistic interpretations. In that realm one's perceptions are limited, altered via the filters of the conditionable Intellect. I have not proposed a dualistic universe. It is so, but only within the dualistic intellect which has created it. Thus the conditioned word-based illusions of man are mistaken for the nondualistic fact they seek to reflect. That is civilized man's step away from the nondualistic, directly perceivable WHAT IS and into an altered state of consciousness (hypnosis) wherein the "idea" is believed to be the "fact."
rk: >> Do you not see that it is this shift of consciousness which hasenslaved civilized man since his fall from Grace (holistic perception)?
Jer: > A fair and accurate statement and very clear. Though we might differ in referring to the move into the intellect as a "fall". I understand this to have been a neccessary evolutionary step. And to move beyond or transcend the intellect is not to discard or despise it.
rk; I have not made any statements or suggestions as to the discarding, or despising of intellect. You are reading much into what was never communicated. The intellect and ego is necessary to function technically on this plane of existence. The spiritual Son/Daughter of God functions in the awareness of the difference noted in healthy egos and unhealthy egos. In such state of awareness the act of spiritual discernment operates in an effortless nondualistic flow, even though they may be immersed in a world based in man's dualistic thought.
rk: That which transcends the intellect also includes the intellect. From the point of transcendence the limits of intellect are percieved and thus there is freedom from those limits. Now the intellect *can* be moved by "universal" intent with precision and accuracy. Such as in your statement above. But, old personality traits can still get in the way and only full attentiveness will reveal when this is the case.
Jer' Sherwood wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: >>>> Saumen, some may say that what you have done in this post is to do that they do, that is, to merely state words, yet I would say to them they are blinded to the deeper energy which underlie those words. Your words have the distinct ring of Truth. They are holistic in their essence. .
rk: >>>>They bring closure to open ended circular debate.
Jer: >>> But what is this closure b.s.? Do you mean attaching to something as some sort of final answer, an absolute truth? Then truthhas been denied.
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rk: >> Closure is the ending of duality. When something is understood, the momentum of opposing images at war with each other is seen in a fleeting moment of insight. The momentum halted, the illusionsdisintegrate. What is left is the holistic energy of Truth, the undeniable "What IS," and one sees that ONE IS THAT.
Jer :> I accept that definition and trust that is how you meant it. But if Sam's words have such an impact it is not because they must be recieved "telepathically" it is because there is little interference and his terms do not easily generate more dualistic concepts to those who are still caught in dualism. Second, they only bring such closure if one chooses to "taste the wine" rather than simply read the wine list.
rk: >>>>One can only love and act out of that love with others by stopping the hypocritical tendency to hide behind dualistic concepts. One must end the empty chatter of concepts before one can RISK, BE, ACT,LOVE! Do that, and I assure you, our world will change.
Jer: >>> I do hope you pay close attention to your last paragraph, Ray. I can take this statement to heart.
rk: >> What has hope to do with any of this?
Jer: > I am not speaking of a personal "hope" for my own becoming Ray. I speak of hope in the same way K did when he spoke of the ending of conflict as the only "hope" of the world. Meaning the only chance humankind has to avoid self destruction.
rk; Is it wise for anyone to identify with the words of K? I perceive that he would be the first to say "See IT For Yourself." If you indeed understand them (K's words), then by all means speak them, for they cease to be K's words and are NOW your Truth. This matter of identication with the words of religious and political leaders is the bane of civilized society, for there one will find blind believers who talk the talk, but lack the understanding of their own words.
Jer: >I have this hope for you because I see that you are sincere and very opened. But your attacks on this and other groups and your divisive terms only add to conflict. I do not see this as your conscious intent but I do see it as the net effect your words *sometimes* have. (as do mine) Radical transformation may bring to us a certain understanding but the layers of conditioning are peeled away one by one. Without this understanding one is likely to get caught in a more subtle trap that is more difficult to move beyond than dualistic thinking.
rk: Why do you characterize my actions as attacks? By your own statement your approach is time-bound (peeling layer by layer). My manner is not time-bound, therefore the energy of my words is unmistakably shocking to sleeping minds. Do not my words accurately depict the world of duality, the world of civilized men? You bet they do! It is like one who points to an open wound which requires healing. I have not caused the wound. It is already there. I merely draw attention to it so that healing may be allowed to take its course.
rk: Most civilized religious aspirants dualistically prefer (choose) to take the "pitty-pat" approach to change. They organize themselves into like-minded groups, excluding others who do not fit in with their parochial flow. Once laisons begin to gel, the conditioning of socialization causes the state of unawareness to take over. Instead of flying by the seat of their pants, they begin to fly with a comfortable codependence upon the automatic pilot of intellect. In time, with such habitual approach to the artificial stimuli of words, people become blinded to the truth which is always right in front of their noses. They leave the self evident truth behind, while they search for it hither, thither, and yon, through the indirectness of dualistic thought. That is how organizations become the means by which the blind are led by the blind.
rk: My words do not bring comfort to spiritual sleepyheads. My words are a disturbing wake-up call to those who would seek to avoid the living moment of NOW.
Jer: > If these words have meaning for you fine. If not you will discard them. But know this my friend ... I offer them in Love.
rk: Truth is all there is. The realization of it is beyond the fragmented word.
Judith Haney, Editor, USNewsLink.com writes:
http://www.usnewslink.com/TonyHaynes
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) writes:
In Memory of A Boy Named Anthony "Tony" Haynes
Editors Note: The location of Charles Long's boot camp is one of the hottest places in the country during the summer months. Temperatures routinely soar above 115. There is no shade in the desert boot camp near Buckeye, AZ. No place to escape from the intense sun. Yet, in spite of that fact, Long deprived the children left in his care, 40+ girls and boys aged 7-17, of water while simultaneously making them wear black long sleeved shirts and black pants and sleep in the open on steaming hot concrete slabs. Long claims he had the parents permission to recklessly endanger the lives of the children left in his care. The shame and disgrace surrounding the death of young Tony Haynes is that state and federal law enforcement officials knew of the dangerous, unlawful, conditions existing at the camp and took no action to intervene on behalf of the helpless children. As he was dying, Tony Haynes begged to be returned home to the mother who put his life at risk by leaving him in the hands of a criminal.
- Judith Haney, Editor, USNewsLink.com (http://www.usnewslink.com)
rk: Why should any of this come as a surprise? Tony was a human sacrifice to the god of Intellect, the god of power, the god some call SATAN -- the god which rules the Bassackward realm of intellect that dumbed-down, inert, apathetic and codependent, ignoramuses are conditioned through systematic mind control techniques to blindly worship and serve in carrying out the agenda of their "elitist" masters.
rk: Strong statement? Look at it for yourself. Be quiet. Just observe the world around you. Don't interpret it according to your "politically/religiously correct," conditioned mind set. Let your observations tell you its story.
rk: This civilized world is composed of Satan Worshippers. Yes, you heard me right -- Satan worshippers. There are many ways of saying the same thing as long as the essence of Truth is not compromised. So when I say Satan Worshippers, I am saying they are ignoramuses who worship the limited, conflicted, dualism-based Intellect.
rk: What is it that Satan, the god of Intellect, rules over? Is it not a "civilized" world of Ignorance, of limitation, of strife, division, wars, exploitation and deceit? Is it not populated by multitudes of blind (intellectually guided) ignoramuses ruled by a few "select" blind (intellectually guiding) ignoramuses? Is it not all accomplished through the medium of words?
rk: Hell, isn't it?
Sun Jul 8 14:03:32 2001
Grugyn Silverbristle grugyn@servtech.com wrote:
Another Case of Ideological Meltdown
Good point, Ray. You just put your finger on the tip of a yet to be recognized iceberg, and yet another "well meaning gone awry" atrocity.
You see, at first "boot camp" to scare young 'uns into straightening-up seemed like a good idea at first. The first limited programs appeared to work well. Also, prisoner-reform advocates were shunting ex-cons (who as felons are nearly unemployable) into "youth counselling" programs which, like all social programs of their ilk, must be made to look successful. Any "positive" results were touted far and wide, while "failures" were covered up.
Then the TV talk-shows ... most notable Sally Jessica Raphael, but all of them, really ... began to sensationalize these "boot camps." Good for ratings. Titilate the prurient interests of the audience with the "before" tales of sexual abandon and violent behavior ... then show the "after" shots of cute little girls in their moxie-dresses and pumps.
Nobody dare say anything bad about "boot camp." Typical of Marxist ideology: suppress dissent and consensus only, please. Pretty soon, every county has to have one. Funding comes pouring-in from dozens of foundations looking to glitz-up their portfolios with the latest fad. Good for fundraising. Who could be so cold-hearted not to contribute to such a wonderful program?
And so they have, within just a few years, institutionalized physical and mental torture on rebellious children. After that, what do you do for an encore?
They are incapable of getting rid of the programs. Too much money and prestige are at stake. They (especially the fundraisers and sponsors) don't dare admit they made a mistake ... it would open the door to litigation. Anybody (within the program) who even suggests admitting something went wrong would be immediately fired and defamed ... can't allow one's critics to have any credibility, or public respect, you know.
So they reinforce the institution and begin a program of "reform" ... which leads to corruption, jurisdictional claims and regulation ... the more regulation, the harder it becomes to eliminate the program, because the regulators have incorporated the programs into law ... "liberals" just can't keep their hands off anything! How they mess up!
It's an Ideological Meltdown, I tell ye!
I guess there is something Satanic in the whole mess.
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:04:05 GMT
From: Paltry try at justifying your ignorance (unknown)
unk: Who exactly do you imagine is championing this?
unk: Beyond your own facile attempt to justify having no intelligence at all, what would be the point of this post?
rk: To reveal in no uncertain terms, the inarguable ignorance of a nation of conditioned ignoramuses whose purpose is to support such programs promoted and/or endorsed by government/media types whose slogan is "We are the experts!! Leave the THINKING TO US!"
unk: No one here advocates what happened here, nor is there any reason to think we do.
rk: The hell you don't. Do not ignore/confuse the culpability of tax-paying ignoramuses who support/fund such programs. Endless nit-picking evasions which quibble over philosophical differences of "COMMISSION" AND "OMISSION" in determing "intent to commit crime" are merely knee jerk misdirections.
unk: So what is all this sanctimony about?
rk: Sanctimony? Is that what your PR Spin/Misdirection calls it, oh anonymous, cowardly, government/media mind controller, disinformation agent who is not man enough to back up his words with his True Name/Identity?
unk: Save it for your self-aggrandizing delusions Ray.
rk: Here's a test for all out there who wish to determine their own level of psychological malleability/gullibility/ignorance for themselves.
rk: There are THOUSANDS of libelous attacks which have been perpetrated upon my character and reputation on these newsgroups/forums.
rk: Few argue the content of my messages. The primary function of these libelers is to misdirect public attention away from the import of my message. The mission of these anonymous government/media sponsored/supported mind controller/Disinformation Agents is to control the flow of information on these Internet newsgroups/forums through tactics of disruption, intimidation, and misdirection. This has been going on in my case without letup for the last 6 years.
rk: Think not? Well then, put it to the test for yourself. Examine just about any response you find to my posts taken at random. Check any of the posts marked with *** on http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
rk: Note the rigid parameters of the anonymous "formula" attacks. Note the selling of the "Big Lie" to the Internet using public through repetitive slogans keyed toward a nonthinking, reactionary public.
rk: Then check the Google archives for the same names. See for yourself the true level of ignorance (limitedness) which operates in these verbally talented word twisting hypocrites whose favorite ploy is found in cheap-shot slogans which appeal to the basest level of human consciousness.
rk: Your "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" is to find any other Internet contribution authored by these same names (who now utilize the generic "UNKNOWN") which are self-initiated, not reactive, original, insightful, relevant to the world's problems, and given to the public in the spirit of love, not hate.
rk: Perhaps by taking this simple test you will come to understand what it means to be considered "NORMAL" in Government/Media terms.
rk: WAKE UP, AMERICA!!
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
rk: Note: The "next" hearing on this matter of "Rights v. Privilege" will be heard in Canyonville Justice Court on July 27th at 9:30am.
rk: I invite all who are interested in this issue of our Unalienable Rights being converted into Privilege to attend the hearing and observe "Justice in progress."
rk: I especially invite the Media to attend and report their observations to the non computer-using public.
rk: My position is firm, and outlined in the following to Justice of the Peace Carol Roberts of the Canyonville Justice Court.
For a full grasp of the issue at hand, may I suggest you read the following:
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch25.htm#Horse
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch23.htm#Highwaymen
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch24.htm#FBI
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch24.htm#CONFISCATION
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch24.htm#Oregon
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch25.htm#Privileges
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch25.htm#Dismi
Judge Carol Roberts
Justice of the Peace
Justice Court
209 N. Main Canyonville OR 97417
Your Honor,
Since this court is not a court of record, Let me state my position *on the record.*
This court is well aware of my position in this matter, as evidenced by the previous "motions for dismissal for lack of jurisdiction" which I filed as per your personal instructions. Upon receipt, this court summarily denied the motions. I repeat my objection to these proceedings and again take exception to the court's rulings.
At my scheduled appearance on June 27th, 2001, Deputy Poe of the Douglas County Sheriff's Office was not present. I was ready to proceed, the court was not, due to Poe's absence. Such flagrant disregard for making his appearance on the date and time Poe scheduled my hearing on the Citation itself would have been grounds for dismissal in most traffic courts.
I challenged the court's jurisdiction citing the case HAGENS vs LAVINE, 15 U.S. 533m N-3 which states "Once jurisdiction is challenged, it must be proven."
The court has not met its responsibility in doing so. I repeat my exception to the court's ruling.
I have not received a fair hearing nor by the evidence of the unfolding events to date, do I expect one. Since this court is not a *court of record,* I shall stand mute until I stand in a *court of record* before a jury of my peers. My Constitutionally guaranteed Rights under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution have been violated by this court.
Once again, I bring the court's attention to existing law which states "Once jurisdiction is challenged, it must be proven." HAGENS vs LAVINE, 15 U.S. 533m N-3
The court has not *proven* nor has it made any attempt to *prove* its jurisdiction in this matter. I therefore wish to appeal this matter to a higher court.
I have followed the court's instructions as to appeal procedure. I have made all my appearances as ordered and am not a flight risk. As to payment of the fines/bail of $170 for the No Operators License charge and $72 for the Unsignalled turn to accompany the Appeal fee, I agree to pay the appeal fee, but make a motion for stay of execution of the payment of "fines/bail" pending appeal of this matter.
I ask that copies of all written communications regarding this matter in the court's custody be sent to the Circuit Court of Appeal (as you have previously indicated would be your procedure) and also to the Office of the Douglas County District Attorney for submission to the Douglas County Grand Jury in seeking an indictment of Class 3 Felony criminal action of *Theft by Extortion* against Deputy Poe of the Douglas County Sheriff's office arising from the confiscation of my private "loaner" automobile without cause on the morning of June 5th, 2001.
Oregon Revised Statutes, 1999 EDITION Chapter 164, Section states:
164.075 Theft by extortion. (1) A person commits theft by extortion when the person compels or induces another to deliver property to the person or to a third person by instilling in the other a fear that, if the property is not so delivered, the actor or a third person will in the future: (h) Use or abuse the position as a public servant by performing some act within or related to official duties, or by failing or refusing to perform an official duty, in such manner as to affect some person adversely; or (i) Inflict any other harm that would not benefit the actor.
(2) Theft by extortion is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 s.127; 1987 c.158 s.27]
Deputy Poe's actions in confiscating my "loaner" automobile was unlawful in that NONE of the portions of statute 809.720 below were applicable to the circumstances which bring me before this court.
Oregon Revised Statutes 1999 EDITION Chapter 809 States:
809.720 Impoundment for specified offenses; grounds; notice; release. (1) A police officer who has probable cause to believe that a person, at or just prior to the time the police officer stops the person, has committed an offense described in this subsection may, without prior notice, order the vehicle impounded until a person with right to possession of the vehicle complies with the conditions for release or the vehicle is ordered released by a hearings officer. This subsection applies to the following offenses:
(c) Operating without driving privileges or in violation of license restrictions in violation of ORS 807.010.
(a) Driving while suspended or revoked in violation of ORS 811.175 or 811.182.
(b) Driving while under the influence of intoxicants in violation of ORS 813.010.
c) Operating without driving privileges or in violation of license restrictions in violation of ORS 807.010.
Deputy Poe had NO probable cause to believe that "I, at, or just prior to the time he stopped my *automobile* had committed any of the offenses described in the subsections" above. Deputy Poe interrupted, interfered with, and infringed upon my Unalienable and Constitutional right to travel lawfully and unimpeded upon Douglas County roads in the fully insured Loaner Automobile since no harm, damage or infringement upon the rights of another occurred as a result of such *Travel.*
"The right to travel is part of the Liberty of which a citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment. This Right was emerging as early as the Magna Carta." Kent vs. Dulles, 357 US 116 (1958).
and;
"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491.
The focal point of this question of police power and due process must balance upon the point of making the public highways a safe place for the public to travel. If a man travels in a manner that creates actual damage, an action would lie (civilly) for recovery of damages. The state could then also proceed against the individual to deprive him of his Right to use the public highways, for cause. This process would fulfill the due process requirements of the Fifth Amendment while at the same time insuring that Rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and the state constitutions would be protected.
But unless or until harm or damage (a crime) is committed, there is no cause for interference in the private affairs or actions of a Citizen.
I have nothing more to add.
The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, misdirection, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public UsenetNewsgroups/Forums
You blithering idiot
Re: U.S. Constitution Rights vs State of Oregon Privileges (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:24:39 GMT
From: Cram your nuisance screeds (unknown)
You not only have no concept at all of how law works, but you seem to have no awareness of what a stupid spectacle you are making of your own ignorance. Did you really think anyone would simply dismiss legitimate charges against you (charges you yourself admit are true in your long-winded and self-absorbed rants) simply because you don't like licensing laws? Why do you think any of us give a hot damn what you like anyway? News flash Ray: we don't care at all about your opinion. Got it? I guess it's time you finally learned a fundmanetal lesson in life Ray, one the rest of us learned when we were small children: you are not the be and end all of existence, and what you do and do not like has no influence whatsoever on the legal system of our society. Further, it is not only obscenely self-indulgent of you to carry on this tantrum so f*cking long, but you are wasting scarce government funds that could be used for a meaningful purpose. There are poepl out there that really need help and justice Ray, and you are depriving them of important resources with your nuisance screeds. You and Anita ought to be ashamed of having allowed yourselves to degenerate into such offensively narcissistic and foolish asses.
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Look, psycho crybaby -- get a damned license!
Re: U.S. Constitution Rights vs State of Oregon Privileges (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:19:12 GMT
From: Driving is a privilege, not a right! (unknown)
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Amazing inability to recognize a simple fact
Re: U.S. Constitution Rights vs State of Oregon Privileges (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:01:15 GMT
From: Blinding conceits are killing your soul (unknown)
You are wrong about this Ray. You obviously have no understanding of how the law works, of how jurisdiction is established, or of how to go about challenging it. I guess it makes you *feel* important to spout off like this constantly to strangers on the Internet, but all you end up doing is showing how utterly ignorant and incapable of learning you really are. You are completely stuck in a weird short-circuit of your own fabrication, and apparently have been for many years. The first step to wisdom is the basic recognition that you don't know everything. You really, really don't. Because you are so quaking terrified of being wrong and having your entire facade of holy perfection crumble before your eyes, you will never make even the tiniest steps towards widsom and insight. I pity you, I sincerely do. Your problem goes well past mere ignorance, and into an desperate refusal to see and grow. You must live a very frightened life, and for that I am sorry. You are human Ray, and you are wrong. It really is that simple. You should find it in your character and mind to overcome your own blinding conceits and gain in wisdom while you still have time to.
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Attend your justice court appearance?
Re: U.S. Constitution Rights vs State of Oregon Privileges (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:57:31 GMT
From: Yer kidden' It's a court for low lifes. (unknown)
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Good point. You rant about taxes, yet flush them
Re: You blithering idiot (Cram your nuisance screeds)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:56:02 GMT
From: Your psychosis isn't worth a red cent (unknown)
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Yeah Ray.The media are going to show for your tantrum?
Re: U.S. Constitution Rights vs State of Oregon Privileges (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:57:28 GMT
From: What a flipped-out egomaniac (unknown)
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Keep on rockin. I always love good farce.
Re: U.S. Constitution Rights vs State of Oregon Privileges (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:58:25 GMT
From: We'll recuperate the money in fines (unknown)
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More lies from Raymond Karczewski
Re: U.S. Constitution Rights vs State of Oregon Privileges (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:00:25 GMT
From: Rosemary A (unknown)
"I have nothing more to add." -- RK
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Go to Raymond and Anita's New Website!
Re: A Human Sacrifice to the God of Ignorance (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:23:09 GMT
From: New World Order Internet Monitor (unknown)
For all the wit and wisdom, as well as the theological and political insight we've all come to expect from Ray and Anita Karczewski, go to www.clownpenis.fart Way to go Ray! You're a cultural icon now!
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All this shows is you can't think past your own huge ego
Re: A Human Sacrifice to the God of Ignorance (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:15:55 GMT
From: You're cognitive & spiritual bankruptcy (unknown)
No Ray, you are dead wrong.
There are any number of obscene things that happen every day, and no one here supports or advocates them. All you're desperately trying to do is find some ground on which you can feel Godly in comparison to the rest of humanity. You failed again. You can tell this pathetic lie to yourself as often as you like, and it still in no way means anyone supports children dying in boot camp disciplinary situations. I'm sorry you feel the uncontrollable need to resort to such unintelligent tactics. You're better off finding some realistic appraisal of your own place in the world, and learning to be content with your own flaws of character and thought. Your vicious attacks do nothing but make absolutely apparent how utterly bankrupt you are both cognitively and spiritually.
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Sanctimony is not the word for this Ray
Re: A Human Sacrifice to the God of Ignorance (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:20:31 GMT
From: Hell, isn't it????????? (unknown)
Screaming hypocrisy is. I guess you feel child abuse is your own personal perogative, and anyone else damaging children you have the right to loudly and hysterically condemn? You will not write away your own sickening history Ray. You have no room to preach to anyone about child abuse given you and Anita destroyed your own family. Shove your screeds Ray: every myth you try to spread about your own holiness will be countered by the TRUTH. Hell, isn't it?????
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What's wrong with this picture
Re: Here's What a District Attorney Says about Rights v.Priv (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:10:45 GMT
From: He's trying to get you out of his office (unknown)
is that an idiot like you is wasting monumental amounts of tax dollars on a traffic ticket. The guy is obviously desperatey trying to get a psycho off his back. I deal with kooks like you constantly, and what's important is to not have you armed and threatening his family: hence his remarks. Given your history threatening everyone with violence, what did you expect? You'll never prevail, and will end up paying fines right yout your ass. Glad to see the show go on Ray: your tantrum and inability to understand even basic legal principles is only landing you in more and more expensive trouble.
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Didn't you and Anita already threaten this man Thompson?
Re: Here's What a District Attorney Says about Rights v.Priv (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:11:53 GMT
From: You need to be institutionalized (unknown)
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Only explanation for this continued, desperate rant...
Re: Here's What a District Attorney Says about Rights v.Priv (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:24:01 GMT
From: I don't want to pay for your narcissism (unknown)
is either you suffered some massive head trauma somewhere along the way, or have always been extremely mentally ill and are refuse all treatment. Either way, stop wasting our hard-earned tax money on such a silly, infantile demand for attention. We will recuperate some of the money we've wasted on you in the fines you pay us, but you have no business throwing good resources down the dumper, especially given the fact you have been living completely off tax money for decades now. Do you have no sense at all of honor or shame? From your continued displays of sickness and narcissism, it seems not. Perhaps some serious time in a mental hospital would help? I'd rather pay for that than for this stupid waste of judicial resources.
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The people make the laws through their legislators
Re: Here's What a District Attorney Says about Rights v.Priv (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:31:55 GMT
From: This is not an oligarchy (unknown)
You may scream all you want about how you don't like the laws or feel you are above them, but WE THE PEOPLE make the laws through our duly elected legislators. And WE THE PEOPLE have determined that we do not want drunks, psychotics, and sociopaths driving around without any means of checking on their competence or tracking them down if they do harm. If you want to change licensing laws, talk to your legislators, but simply blaming law enforcement officials when they uphold the laws we have enacted is simple-minded and paranoid. This is not a monarchy or an oligarchy Ray: you simply have no one supporting your assertion you are God and are therefore above the laws of the land. You are not.
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This is rather the point
Re: Amazing inability to recognize a simple fact (Blinding conceits are killing your soul)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:08:49 GMT
From: Facts have nothing to do with this (unknown)
Ray knows perfectly well on some level that he is a loser on this, but in his overwrought imagination has already transformed his own gross mistakes into a righteous cause. Now he's a martyr for the Constitution, at least in his own mind, and I have no doubt that he spouts this self-indulgent drivel all over lunatic-fringe militia boards. It's all part of the picture he's trying to make himself into: yeah, he will lose big time on this, but that only goes to "prove," at least in his own mind, how "dangerous" his "message" is to the structure of society in general, and what a holy crusader he is in the name of "Constitutional" justice. Never mind his inane position has NOTHING to do with the Constitution. Facts have nothing to do with this.
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Like the AG has time to play games with you
Re: Oregon's Attorney General Remains Mute (Raymond Karczewski)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:36:25 GMT
From: Stop wasting our tax money you ravingass (unknown)
The fact you've taken your life off working, and engage in no productive, socially important activity doesn't mean he has. The AG has a lot of important work to do, and he is right to not put that real work off playing stupid games with kooks like you.
July 13th, 2001
Mr. Jack Banta,
District Attorney, Douglas County Oregon
Justice Building
Roseburg, Oregon 97470
Sir:
I am submitting this complaint of violation of Oregon Revised Statutes, 1999 EDITION Chapter 164, Section 164.075 "Theft by Extortion" by members of the Douglas County Sheriff's Office on June 5th, 2001. I ask that you submit this matter to the Douglas County Grand Jury for indictment.
Attached to this letter are communications sent to the FBI and Justice of the Peace Carol Roberts of the Canyonville Justice Court. I have asked Judge Roberts to forward all Court records of this matter to your office.
If there is anything more that you need from me to assist you in this matter, please let me know.
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:24:04 GMT
From: kristine (unknown)
k: > Ray's boilerplate bullshit
rk: > > First come to understand that "Freedom of Beingness" (true Anarchy) transcends the dualistic conflict of a life bound to temporal reaction via institutionally authored divisive concepts; i.e., man-made laws.
k: > Suddenly the truth distils out of the air and sits firmly on the desktop in front of me! Ray's message isn't to do with "breaking the bonds of dualistic thought" or even coming to understand the "Christ State of Conciousness" - it's just simple anarchism!
rk: And it's very clear that you don't understand the *essence* of either!!
k: > well, you are half way there...but you need to take this to its logical kookdom conclusion. bRat doesn't want to have anarchy...he wants everyone to follow him.
rk: Point to a post, any post (that is not a post forged in my name) amongst the thousands that I have written on the Internet where I have asked others to *follow me!* As usual your attempt at misdirection ultimately exposes your comments as BASSACKWARDS!
k: > he wants to be the ultimate authority, complete with idol worship. he wants to make the new order....the psycho babble plagerized he has from every major religion and spews here hourly merely camouflages his true intention: he IS the way. he doesn't want people to think for themselves; he believes the great unwashed is ignorant and in need of his divine intervention. while he rails against the government, he is as jealous as hell....
rk: Your frantic face-saving misdirections reveal the frustrations commonly experienced by college educated knowledge-bound ignoramuses when they encounter the unbounded *essence* of a Christ. Hell, isn't it?!!
k: > it is HIS rules he wants others to follow...it is HIS way of thinking he wants adherence to...he wants to do the thinking for us all. a bit sanctimonious, no?
rk: When have I ever told anybody WHAT TO THINK? Evidence is necessary here, not empty misdirections, eh, kristine (unknown)? By the way, is "kristine (unknown)" the same person as"kristine campbell" or is this just another anonymous government/media mind controlling disinformation agent playing kristine campbell on the Internet?
rk: One never knows when dealing with anonymous cowards who will not back up their words with their true identity -- that is, until the FBI finally reveals the results of their investigation into Government/Media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation experimentation upon unwary users of the Internet, eh?
rk: Yes, kristine, first the exposure of the Government licensing fraud perpetrated upon the all too trusting American People, then the Mind Control issue. BE PATIENT!!
k: > trust me, i've been reading his boilerplate bullshit for six years now...he never changes his tune....never.
rk: " ...he never changes his tune....never." Although, at the superficial level of Intellect, Truth may be expressed in many different ways, how, at the deepest levels of one's beingness does one change the unchangeable, the eternal "essence" of Truth, the "What Is"?
k: and nevermind that bRat himself has NEVER practiced what he preached...i.e. going into his supervisors office and demanding that he recieve his whole paycheck without deductions for government taxes, fica, ss whatever...or refused to pay his taxes...he doesn't pay taxes now because he is a fat f*ck who lives on a government pension.
rk: When I worked for the Police Department, a government agency, I was subject to the Income Tax laws. When I owned and operated Pacific Coast Investigations and Security, a State licensed private investigation and security firm, I also was subject to the Income tax laws. I met my agreed upon, my contractual "government licensed" responsibilities during those years. To put it simply and succinctly -- "that was then, this is NOW". When I retired I no longer was subject to the Income tax laws and have thus conducted myself accordingly. Where do you see a "contradiction in essence" in my words and actions? Your attempts to manufacture such "contradictions in essence" only allows you and your cowardly anonymous cohorts to repeatedly wind up with "egg on your faces" doesn't it, "kristine (unknown)?"
k: > but just listen to how he shouts when instructing others to tell the irs to go to hell.
rk: I have merely pointed out that under the current system, most who pay income taxes do so voluntarily and are not, by law, liable for them. It's their money; they can do anything they want to do with it. I posed a scenario for consideration wherein through the medium of government BOYCOTT, the American Taxpaying public can take back control of their country and their lives without firing a shot in a bloody revolution. Most are too dumbed down in their violence prone CONDITIONING to see the beauty and simplicity of it though!
k: besides a man who begs on the internet for a pro bono attorney to take his "federal" case to court or threatens to sue for libel every time someone makes fun of him is hardly a guy who wants anarchy.
rk: My purpose in writing is no different than Jesus' purpose in speaking to the ignoramuses of His time, some 2000 years ago. It is simply to awaken spiritual ignoramuses and allow them to rise to the understanding of their True Estate. Tough job, but somebody's got to do it!!
k: > too disorderly for bRat...he wants what he can't ever have...and that the government will always have...money and control. hell isn't it?
rk: I have all that I need to complete my "mission on earth." After all, one has only to look at the unsuccessful six year campaign by a LEGION of anonymous yahoos to shut down my posts on the Internet to see the impact my writing has upon the Satanically (The Opposer) ruled, Intellect-worshipping few who rule the many through the medium of mind control.
rk: If you perceive that to be an overstatement, may I suggest anyone who doubts the truth of that statement merely check out the posts on my bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm with specific attention paid to those articles marked with "***".
-- kristine queen of the undead afab army * * * * * * * * i'm an agent of satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial
rk: An "agent of satan" who diminishes with every article you post, eh,"kristine (unknown)?"
Linda Velarde wrote:
rights vs. "priveledge"
Thu Jul 12 10:53:33 2001
Raymond:
lv: How did this turn out?What was the end result?
rk: My scheduled court appearance is July 27th, 9:30 am at the Canyonville Justice Court, 209 N. Main, Canyonville, Oregon.
rk: I invite any "Oregonians" interested in this Rights vs Privileges issue to come to the court and watch how justice is dispensed in Oregon. An open invitation is also extended to the members of the media. Isn't it time our court systems were brought under the scrutiny of the American Public?
lv: I know someone who tried Challenging juridiction then not showing up,because the mere act of showing up says that you are reconizing their right to exist-implying consent to their jurisdiction.
rk: Not so, Linda. The Traffic court does have a legitimate place in the judicial system; i.e., that of adjudicating infractions of State Traffic Codes designed to regulate *drivers* or *operaters* of *motor vehicles* upon the public highways for Commercial/Business for-profit purposes and/or those persons who voluntarily waive their Unalienable/Constitutional Rights by "voluntarily" and "unwittingly" entering into and accepting the terms of a contract with the State for the "privilege" of a Driver's License. In such cases, the traffic court which functions under Admiralty-Maritime law is functioning in its proper jurisdiction.
"Admiralty-Maritime courts have jurisdiction over contracts, torts, and other special cases." Waring v. Clark, 5 HOW 441m 454-464: Genesse Chief v. Fitzhugh, 12 HOW. 443. 454, United States v Flores, 289 U.S. 137, 154. (1933)
rk: Traffic court is not a common law court. Functioning in Admiralty-Maritime law, the traffic court, in its narrow scope, is not bound by the US Constitution the "Supreme Law of the Land" when it properly deals with narrowly defined jurisdictional matters such as "contracts, torts and other special cases."
rk: However, when no such narrowly defined conditions of jurisdiction can be proved by Admiralty-Maritime Courts, it cannot assume jurisidiction over natural persons who have not waived their Unalienable Right to Liberty and who travel upon the public roadways in the "normal and usual conveyance" of the day, i.e. one's private automobile, and are not using the roadways for Business or Commercial purposes.
rk: The public owns the highways. The government does not!! Without such ownership, privilege cannot be dispensed by government. After all, how can government grant privilege to use that which it does not own? Yet government seeks to burden a freeman/natural person/citizen with adherence to the terms of a "privilege" to use *that* which the freeman/natural person/citizen *already* has the *Right* to use by virtue of ownership.
lv: When I see how that turns out,I'll let you know.
Linda Velarde
rk: Same here!!
Linda Velarde wrote:
Thu Jul 12 22:26:25 2001
Raymond:
So then it all hinges on rescinding or withdrawing that origional contract with the M.V.D. in order to re-establish our constitutional right to drive.
We will be praying for you on and before your court date.
rk: The following comment was made by Timothy Thompson, District Attorney for Josephine County, Oregon, in a September 24th, 1999 email addressed to me, Raymond Karczewski, regarding the issue of Unalienable Rights v. Government Licensing/Privilege.
Thompson states:
tt: "If you proceed upon your stated course of action, perhaps the opportunity will arise to develop some appellate law in this state."
rk: In the above statement DA Thompson unwittingly blurts out a mouthful, doesn't he? DA Thompson did not respond directly or in depth to any of my questions regarding the Right to Travel vs Driver's Licensing. Nor were my Internet communications regarding the same issue answered by Oregon Attorney General Hardy Myers. It seems that a citizen cannot get a straight answer from their public officials without first being arrested, exploited, fined and/or jailed.
rk: Folks, it doesn't take a brain surgeon and/or rocket scientist to answer the obvious question -- WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE?!!
rk: Sadly, but predictably, this is what can be expected to happen when lawyers employed in our Judicial System, paid for with public tax monies, find themselves facing a conflict of interest when it comes to revealing publicly to what or to whom their primary allegiance lies. Is it to their voting constituents, those who have put them into office? Or does their primary allegiance go toward the support of a dead, bureaucratic, self-serving system of laws, rules and directives they themselves have created? Do they serve the public or do they serve a "good ole boy system" labeled the American Bar Association?
rk: DA Thompson, however, did reveal more than he may have wished when he made the above statment ". . .perhaps the opportunity will arise to develop some appellate law in this state."
rk: Look at that statement quietly. What does it say to you? What direction does its momentum favor? In its subtleness, does it favor the momentum of liberty and freedom demanded by sovereign individuals, or does it favor an exclusive brotherhood which makes, defines, interprets and enforces the rules?
rk: In our Constitutional Republic, the *People* are the Government. When the Constitution can be rendered moot by usurpation of its power by Admiralty/Maritime courts, TYRANNY RULES.
rk: Look at the actions of Thompson/Myers when it comes to responding/not responding to questions which, if answered would head off future arrest, exploitation and financial drain of a citizen merely seeking to clarify his Rights. Observe the unwittingly expressed truth contained within the statement of District Attorney Thompson, ". . .perhaps the opportunity will arise to develop some appellate law in this state." Then ask yourselves, folks -- What's wrong with this picture??
Following is a letter written on September 15th, 1999 to Hardy Myers, Attorney General of the State of Oregon. The letter was written on the Internet. To date, Mr. Myers has not answered it.
The letter speaks for itself.
It seems that citizens *may* get answers from their *public servants* only after the *citizen* has been arrested, tried, incarcerated and/or fined, and in the process, drained of their personal finances by a circuitous legal process wherein *citizens* are held to one standard of law, while the courts operate from a "completely" different standard. Is there one law for the courts and another law for the Citizens?
Is the U.S. Constitution dead? Has the United States of America been taken over by a system of Law which no longer recognizes the U.S. Consitution as the "Supreme Law of the Land?"
As you read the following letter, two years after it was originally sent to (and ignored by) Oregon's Attorney General, the answer screams out to even the "blind, the deaf, and the dumbed down!"
Mr. Hardy Meyers
Attorney General
State of Oregon
Dear Sir,
I am not a lawyer, but a simple man living in quiet retirement who still expects Justice in a time in which such is regarded by many as a distant dream. The following is self explanatory. Subsequent to my upcoming birthday in 8 days, I will not renew my present driver's license contract with the State of Oregon.
Instead, I will reclaim my Constitutionally protected Unalienable Right to Liberty which includes a citizen's right to travel freely upon our nations highways via their privately owned automobiles for their own personal travel and transportation and who do not use our roadways for commercial or business for profit purposes.
Existing case law has defined a clear and definite distinction between an AUTOMOBILE and a MOTOR VEHICLE.
If need be, at the initiation of any arrest of my person by Oregon law enforcement officials, I intend to put to the test the Constitutionality of the State of Oregon's practice of licensing private citizens who drive their private "Automobiles" for private purposes and do not use their automobile for commercial or business for profit while travelling upon Oregon highways.
I say "if need be" because you, sir, as Attorney General of the State of Oregon can put a potentially embarrassing matter to the State to rest by answering the following simple questions: Does the State of Oregon have the right under the US Constitution to convert an Unalienable Right into a privilege? And is, in the view of the State of Oregon, an AUTOMOBILE when used for private transportation considered the same as a MOTOR VEHICLE which uses the public roadways for commercial purposes?
It is indeed a sad state of affairs when citizens must go to the courts and endure a protracted, finance draining ordeal in order to get simple answers out of their public servants. I am hoping you will see the truth of that and act accordingly.
The following information was secured from the drivers licensing section of Oregon Dept. of Motor Vehicles web site at: http://www.odot.state.or.us/dmv/opv_internl.htm
It States:
Operating a Vehicle in Oregon
While driving a MOTOR VEHICLE on highways or premises open to the public in Oregon, you must have either a valid driver license or instruction permit in your possession.
Residents of other states operating vehicles in Oregon must be at least 16 years of age and have a valid out-of-state driver license, or be at least 15 years of age and have a valid out-of-state instruction permit. Out-of-state instruction permit holders must abide by the same restrictions as a person with an Oregon instruction permit. You must get an Oregon driver license or instruction permit when you become an Oregon resident, even if your out-of-state license or instruction permit has not expired. When DMV issues an Oregon driver license or instruction permit, you must turn in any driver license or instruction permit from another state.
As is clear in the State of Oregon Vehicle Code, its regulations are designed to control and regulate the operation of MOTOR VEHICLES, not AUTOMOBILES.
It is that point that I wish you, as Attorney General of the State of Oregon, to address.
Since no contact e-mail address appears on your web site, I am posting this publicly on the Oregon Newsgroups and Public Forums, as the matter requires a timely response from your office.
Below I have posted my prepared remarks to the court requesting dismissal of charges of being an unlicensed driver based on lack of court jurisdiction should I be arrested in Josephine County for driving my automobile while asserting my Unalienable Right to Liberty.
To the Court:
I stand before this court and ask it to do its job. To render justice and administer the law according to the provisions of the US Constitution, the Supreme Law of our Land.
I ask that this matter now before the bench be dismissed for this court's lack of jurisdiction.
This court of equity falls under the purview of the State's admiralty jurisdiction. It is charged with the responsibility of adjudicating matters which violate regulations of the Oregon State Motor Vehicle code.
While the state has the right to license and regulate those who use our nation's public roadways for purposes of conducting private business for gain, this court has no jurisdiction over private citizens who travel our roadways in the "usual and ordinary conveyance of the day," their private automobiles, for private purposes and do not use the public roadways for purposes of commercial activities for profit.
Traveling our country's roadways by the usual conveyance of the day is our Unalienable Right to Liberty, promised citizens by the US Constitution in its preamble and in the XIVth Amendment.
Using the public roadways for commercial purposes is a privilege. Licensing of such Corporate and Business activity by the State is proper and justified through the medium of the State's Police Powers.
At the age of 16, some 46 years ago, I was told driving was a privilege. I was told I must have a driver's license to drive an automobile on the public roadways.
I later came to find out that such a statement was not true then, nor is it true now.
As no notice was given that I had a perfect right to use the roads without any permission as per my Constitutional Unalienable Right to Liberty, I was coerced into applying for and entering into a binding contract with the State in return for a driver's license which converted my Inalienable Right to Liberty; i.e., the RIGHT to travel, into a PRIVILEGE to drive. By accepting the terms of the contract, I was fraudulently coerced by the State into unknowingly accepting the regulation system of licensure that comes with the regulation of Commercially driven Motor Vehicles.
On the 23rd of September 1999 my driver's license contract with the State of Oregon expired. I deliberately did not renew it. Instead I have chosen to reclaim my Unalienable Right to Liberty as stated in our US Constitution. Thus ended my 46-year, unbroken string of driver's licenses held by me since I obtained my first license at the age of 16.
Neither of my automobiles meet the legal definition of a "Motor Vehicle."
A Motor Vehicle has been legally defined by the courts as "every description or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, or passengers and property."
Clearly, an automobile is a private conveyance used for private purposes while travelling upon the highways, while a motor vehicle is a machine which may be used upon the highways for trade, commerce, or hire.
The courts have said that the right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, is a common right which he has under the right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right, in so doing, to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel, includes the right to drive a horse drawn carriage or wagon thereon or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purpose of life and business."
I live in an upper elevation, some ten miles from the town of Cave Junction. To go to the store for provisions requires a 20-mile round trip, summer or winter. Am I to be required to walk that distance, backpacking my provisions? For if the court says that I am, then when will walking the public roadways as a matter of survival be declared a privilege and become a further infringement upon my Unalienable Right to Life and Liberty?
I use my automobiles for private travel and need them for the simple act of survival. That is my Inalienable Right--a right that cannot be surrendered, transferred, stripped away or converted into a privilege through government legislation. No state has the power to declare that one's survival must depend upon a State rendered privilege of licensing.
I am in good health, my automobiles are fully insured to meet my public responsibility; and I am competent to operate those automobiles as my 46 year-long drivng record will attest.
In the last century, to strip away a man's "usual conveyance," which was horseback, was to threaten his very survival. That has not changed in this century, especially in these rural areas. To do so was a serious crime, a capital offense punishable by one being hanged for horse theft. That is how serious this Unalienable Right to Life and Liberty was looked upon then. Unalienable Rights do not change. Nor can they be converted by government legislation into a privilege.
Your decision in this matter, will tell the citizens of this land whether this government and judicial system is still operating under our Country's original Constitution or not.
I submit to the court the following legal brief on this matter of Driver's Licensing vs the Right to Travel. It is a position upheld in the courts of Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia, resulting in charges being dropped against the argument that free people can have their right to travel regulated by their servants.
May justice in the courts of Oregon equally prevail!
Snoop IP: 209.136.175.6 wrote:
posted 07-13-2001 08:18 PM
RK:
You are of course aware that the concept of "Patient Gradualism" as practiced by the left for over 80 years in this land.
That is a major basis for the fact few if any of the younger generations know what we speak of when we speak of LIBERTY.
They have never been taught the difference between it and LICENSE.
The inept gubmnt school systems throughout the country have done the job they were founded to do.
They have dumbed down the populace to the point where to call it a herd of sheeple is not a misnomer.
We cannot expect them to accept anything we say as truth when they have been told things are entirely different for a lifetime, as were their parents.
My advice to you is "do not try to educate the ineducable".
Instead, sharpen your knife, load your weapons and wait for opportunity.
It will come sooner than the intellectual awakening you feel you are helping usher in.