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When Courts Refused to Follow the Law, there is Only Tyranny by Consent.
 By Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

Existing Case law states:  "Once jurisdiction is challenged, it must be proven." HAGENS vs LAVINE,  15 U.S. 533 "No sanctions can be imposed absent proof of jurisdiction." Standard v. Olsen, 74 S.  Ct. 768; Title 5 U.S.C., Sec. 556 and 558 (b). "Where there is absence of jurisdiction, all administrative and judicial proceedings are a nullity and confer no right, offer no protection, and afford no justification, and may  be rejected upon direct collateral attack." Thompson v. Tolmie, 2 Pet. 157, 7 L.Ed.  381; Griffith v. Frazier, 8 Cr. 9, 3L. Ed. 471. "The law provides that once State and Federal jurisdiction has been challenged, it must be proven." Main v. Thiboutot, 100 S. Ct. 2502 (1980).

Origins of Law:

1.   God, the Creator,
 
2.   Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man, the Creation.

3.   Government, a fiction, created by Sovereign, Natural Men and Women, the Creator.

4.   Juristic Persons, a fictional Corporate Entity, created by a Fictional Government, and is declared subject to the Legislative Policies of the Fictional Government. It is the only "person" which government actually does have jurisdiction over.

Ed and Elaine have challenged the courts to prove jurisdiction as the law provides for, yet the court refused to ANSWER THE QUESTION. (See: Docket Court Order entry 149 dated June 29, 2009  Below: --- Denial does not constitute an offer of proof.)  When those infused with power by the Sovereign People sit in judgment of other human beings do not follow the law they purport to administer and simply sidestep the HARD QUESTION to be answered under oath or affidavit, , is not TYRANNY AND INJUSTICE/MASTERS AND SLAVES the outcome?

What is that Question asked of the court by Ed and Elaine Brown? Simply this. Does a Fictional Unconstitutional, Non-Article III, Administrative Contract Court have JURISDICTION over a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient Natural Man or Woman who are standng with full legal capacity in Common Law, and have not waived their rights, nor entered into contract with the court, thereby granting the Limited Courts jurisdiction over them?

As stated above, a Fictional Court only has jurisdiction only over other fictions of its own creation, in other words, the JURISTIC PERSON/DEFENDANT, and thus operate on the presumption that Ed and Elaine Brown, the Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient Natural man and woman consent to acting as a surety or underwriter for the debts of the STRAWMAN DEFENDANT,.

This is not hooey, as government would have you believe. THIS IS LAW.

Here are excerpts from the Court Docket ducking the question of JURISDICTION CHALLENGE by Ed and Elaine Brown standing in Common Law and Constitutional Law.

U.S. District Court
District of New Hampshire (Concord)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 1:09-cr-00030-GZS All Defendants

Case title: USA v. Brown et al

Date Filed: 01/21/2009

Assigned to: Judge George Z. Singal

Defendant (1)Edward Brown
represented by Michael J. Iacopino
Designation: CJA Appointment

Defendant (2)Elaine Brown
represented by Bjorn R. Lange
Federal Defender's Office

05/19/2009    83 *    AFFIDAVIT of Edward-Lewis:Brown  and Elaine-Alice:Brown of Facts to Challenge Jurisdiction (dae) (Entered: 05/19/2009)

06/15/2009   118   AFFIDAVIT of Edward-Lewis:Brown and Elaine-Alice:Brown Demanding Release Due to Refusal of Court and US Attorney to Submit Proof of Jurisdiction by Edward and Elaine Brown (dae) (Entered: 06/15/2009)

06/29/2009   149    ORDER as to Edward Brown, Elaine Brown denying: 97 Affidavit of Government Fraud, 111 Affidavit of Government Fraud, 112 Affidavit of Facts for Release of Creditors, 117 Affidavit of Truth, 118 Affidavit Demanding Release Due to Refusal of Court and US Attorney to Submit Proof of Jurisdiction, 119 Notice of Objection - re jury sequestration. So Ordered by Judge George Z. Singal. (dae) (Entered: 06/29/2009)

It has been said, "Render to Caesar that which is  Caesars, and to God that is Gods"

Caesar is the Fiction.  Those who willingly consent to the jurisidiction of the Fictional Caesar through adhesion contracts are duty bound to Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.  Those who have not consented to, or have withdrawn from all previous unlawful contracts made with the fictional Caesar on the basis of fraud and complete lack of disclosure, are not bound to Caesar in any way.

Simple, is it not?  Is not Heaven and Hell on Earth a matter of choices made by the men and women who make them?  Ed and Elaine Brown have made them.

It is when the masses of sleeping sheeple who awaken to the Tyranny of Caesar remove themselves from the Adhesion contract which binds them to Caesar that all this SATANIC NEW WORLD ORDER nonsense will end.  "  .And the Meek Shall Inherit the Earth".

America:  Demand that the Court answer the question of JURISDICTION and halt all court processes until they do so!

ONLY IN A LAND OF TYRANNY DOES ARBITRARY  DENIAL CONSTITUTE  AN OFFER OF PROOF.

                             Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

ps:  The CONCORD MONITOR Newspaper is blocking my comments from appearing on their forum.  They claim my comment is over the acceptable length, even though my comments are 468 characters short of the Maximum length.  So much for open Coverage!!

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Josephine County District Attorney and the Grand Jury Foreman: STONE WALL OF SILENCE!

STEPHEN D. CAMPBELL JOSEPHINE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY

SpamTrap@spamcop.com (Edgar Wolphe) wrote:

Scott Wallace, San Antonio Texas based Trident Company  Insurance Adjuster  for Josephine County Law Enforrcement Agencies in Southern Oregon

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch234.html#Grand

On February 9th, 2008, I sent a complete package to the Grand Jury Foreman of the Josephine County Grand Jury.  I received a receipt from the District Attorney's Office that it was delivered.  Guess what?  As of this date, July7th, 2009, no response has been received from the Grand Jury Foreman or any other member of the Grand Jury.  Did they receive the Package?. 

rk:   As of this date, the Josephine County Authorities in the person of District Attorney of Josephine County Oregon STEPHEN D. CAMPBELL continues to STONE WALL my complaints against State, County, and Grants Pass Law Enforcement Officers for Infringement upon my Right to Travel, Piracy, Kidnapping, Robbery, etc.   So much for justice in Josephine County. 

rk:  my complaint for criminal charges against the Officers of the  Josephine County Sheriff's Office, Grants Pass Public Safety Dept. and Oregon State Police for their criminal infringement upon my Right to Travel and fraudulent application of "Color of Law" corporate policies, inapplicable to this "Living, Breathing,  Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural man who was not engaged in commerce while travelling on Oregon roads.

rk:  As stated above, Although a signed receipt has been returned by the District Attorney's  Office, no word has been received by the Josephine County Grand Jury Foreman. I am not even sure the Package sent to the Foreman of the Grand Jury Foreman outlining the criminal actions of the Law Enforcement Agencies here in Josephine County was delivered to him and/or distributed to the other members of the Grand Jury.

ew:  >   Grand Jurys confine their activities cases brought to them *by* the D/A, not by whiners that want to weasle out of a traffic ticket.

rk:  Not So:  Although many grand juries are used as "rubber stamps" for shaky corporate prosecutions by ambitious prosecutors, the True Grand Jury, one that is fully informed is one of the most powerful tools still in effect to insure Justice and Freedom in the land.  I refer you to what one woman did in Josephine County Oregon to wreak havoc in the well planned control of a Josephine County Grand Jury when she sought to investigate VOTER FRAUD in Josephine County.  It is the story of my late wife Anita as she stood alone on the grand jury.  She was a light in the midst of ignorance and darkness of her politically conditioned, fellow "go along to get along" grand jury members. Read: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch16.htm#HISTORY

rk:  This is the kind of bureacrative game-playing nonsense I have endured for the last 7 years by elected and appointed agents of the State of Oregon and County of Josephine in their coverup of this most important matter which affects millions of automobile travellers throughout this country.

rk:   Mr. Wallace, this Travesty of Justice and massive harm caused me and my late wife, STOPS HERE. STOPS NOW. Unless you can overcome the multiple Commercial defaults

ew:  >   Sorry Ray-  those UCCs have long been legally shredded, and are no longer valid.

rk:  Wanna Bet??  The only one who can remove them is the one who placed the liens.  Former Secretary of State BILL BRADBURY committed a crime when such liens were removed by his office without authorization or cause.  Since JURISDICTION was not ever proved, both Trials conducted in an unConstitutional Court were null and void, and its directives carried with it NO FORCE OF LAW.  That is why they threw me out of their jail when they could not intimidate me into conferring JURISDICTION TO THEM.  That is why they are on the hook of Millions of TaxPayers money.  Not to worry, I will not take the full amount owed me.  Just enough to wake OREGONIANS up to how their public officials conduct business.

ew:  >   Mr. Wallace does not have the power to resurrect them, despite your greedy hopes.

rk:   of the COUNTY OF JOSEPHINE and STATE OF OREGON, regarding their refusal to answer the 23 quesitons of JURISDICTION which places them jointly responsible for the damage they have done to this "Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man, as Claims Adjuster for Trident Corporation as the insurance carrier for JOSEPHINE COUNTY OREGON, you have no option but to make your offer of settlement .

rk: STATE OF OREGON & COUNTY OF JOSEPHINE
 http://www.arkenterprises.com/tortjoco.html   $27,180,000.00

Additional State and County Defaults:

Grants Pass Chief of Police and JOCO Trial Administrator
http://www.arkenterprises.com/gptraff.html  $ 2,000,000.00    `    

JOCO Sheriff and Trial Administrator
http://www.arkenterprises.com/gptraff2.html $ 2,000,000.00

Oregon State Police
http://www.arkenterprises.com/gptrafsp.html $ 2,000,000.00

State Police Adminstrative Court Judge         $ 2,000,000.00
http://www.arkenterprises.com/gpsphear.html#Testimony
              
Governor Kulongoski,                                     $1,000,000.00
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch158.html#Oath

Attorney General Myers,                                $1,000,000.00
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch158.html#Oath

Total  amount now due and payable              $37,180,000.00

rk:  Observe how our country has deteriorated when it comes to government service and justice received in its courts.  My case shows what one man can do when he stands upon his Unalienable Rights as a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Sovereign Man of the People and holds them responsible for the crimes and corruption.  I look around, and all I see are fearful slaves cowering at the great illusion of government  projected by the lever and button pushing men "behind the curtain."

Raymond Ronald Karczewski


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Has The American Judicial System Gone Crazy?

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©


  For those of you who do not know me or my writings of Spiritual and Political matters on the Internet let me introduce myself to you.  I am a retired California Police Sergeant, living on pension.  But first and foremost, I am a Son of the Creator and man of the Sovereign People.


  Something is terribly wrong with our society, and no one seems to care about it,. It is a fact that we, each of us are Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Men and Women of the Sovereign People.  WE ARE THE LAW.  WE ARE THE CREATORS OF GOVERNMENT.  GOVERNMENT IS OUR SERVANT, NOT OUR MASTER.


  We, are Freemen and Women imbued with Unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness -- The happiness that comes with living Freely and unencumbered of oppressive fictional conditions imposed upon us via mind control and enforced with the barrel of the gun.


  Our Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness is a natural grant from our Creator, The Supreme Infinite Intelligence some call God. 


  Ed, Elaine, myself, along with historical men such as Jesus of Nazareth and a few others are, and always have been  "Strangers in a Bassackward Land." ruled by the Laws of Mammon.  Some call it civilized, but when one sets aside one's life-long conditioning and just looks at how civilized men live and have always lived, they will see, Death, Destruction, Wars, Exploitation, and wide-spread redistribution of wealth via  scamming and theft. 


   Look at how America is being destroyed through such means.  We are being destroyed by our own consent, cooperation and support.  Dumb, huh???


   I won't use the word "coward" because such label would condemn our nation as a land of the fearful, and home of the slave.


  Each of us have the unalienable right to SELF DEFENSE.


  Yet when one has the courage to stand alone to the tyranny he/she perceives to be acting under the "color of law" as Ed and Elaine Brown have done in this case, they are painted as criminals with guns, bombs, booby traps, etc. 


  Governments rule by force.  They rule with the "barrel of the gun".  They utilized bombs, tanks, automatic weapons.  There are no limitations to their firepower.  Waco and Ruby Ridge, serve as Testament to that Truth.  Yet they, the servants of the Sovereign People who employ them create "fictitious laws" to rule over "fictitious persons."  Such pseudo Law, "Color of Law"  is anathema to Natural Law, Common Law, God's Law.  Such corporate legislative  policies are designed to disarm all and deprive all natural men and women of their means for self-protection via the Unalienable Right to Self-Defense.


   It has been said that Satan, the "god" of opposition rules over human society.  Sadly for most, that is truism. 


  Ed and Elaine are seen as outsiders to a general matrix of herdlike, blind conditioned believers who have become enslaved and made to believe they are merely  "human resources" to be used at the whim of  their "masters", fictional publc servants who have lost their humanity and are thus ruled and rule over others via "intellectual" images.


  In the world of civilized Hell, it has been said that those who make the rules win the game.  And it is a devilish game that is being played as anyone can plainly see.


  Look at what one such public servant did with Ed and Elaine Brown who stood as a man and woman of the Sovereign People, despite the courts great efforts to try them as "Wards of the State"  operating as less than full legal capacity. 
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    The Ed and Elaine Brown Court Docket reveals the following court determinations. 06/29/2009   149    ORDER as to Edward Brown, Elaine Brown denying: 97 Affidavit of Government Fraud, 111 Affidavit of Government Fraud, 112 Affidavit of Facts for Release of Creditors, 117 Affidavit of Truth, 118 Affidavit Demanding Release Due to Refusal of Court and US Attorney to Submit Proof of Jurisdiction, 119 Notice of Objection - re jury sequestration. So Ordered by Judge George Z. Singal. (dae) (Entered: 06/29/2009)  Anybody see any balance in the above.  Anybody see a STACKED DECK???


   Yet the same Judge, the public servant  George Z. Singal, REFUSED to address and answer the question of the Brown's Challenge of  Jurisdiction over them as Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man and Woman, in writing as present law dictates,


See:
05/19/2009    83 *    AFFIDAVIT of Edward-Lewis:Brown  and Elaine-Alice:Brown of Facts to Challenge Jurisdiction (dae) (Entered: 05/19/2009)


06/15/2009   118   AFFIDAVIT of Edward-Lewis:Brown and Elaine-Alice:Brown Demanding Release Due to Refusal of Court and US Attorney to Submit Proof of Jurisdiction by Edward and Elaine Brown (dae) (Entered: 06/15/2009)


   By law, all further proceedings must be stopped  until such questions have been answered.  Yet anyone "with the eyes to see" can observe the "railroad job" in progress, as true law goes out the window, and Color of Law takes over.


   That is the only issue which ought to be addressed.  When one group, i.e., public servants have all the guns weapons and tools of tyranny at their disposal, and it becomes a crime for anyone government has set their sights on to take aciton in self-defense, and/or the defense of a loved one, you have hell on earth and Satan, the god of Opposition is alive and well.


   I invite you to read the following article "as any American would" written by Margot Sanger Katz  of the New Hampshire Monitor staff who is covering the Ed & Elaine Brown Trial. 


   It is a lesson in the positive imagery of BASSACKWARDS!!!


                 Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
                 Cave Junction Oregon


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'As any American would'
Ed Brown takes the stand in his own defense
       
By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff
July 08, 2009 - 7:58 am


By turns confessional and combative, Ed Brown took the stand in his own defense yesterday, telling jurors he built pipe bombs, hung exploding rifle targets, and placed guns and ammunition around his Plainfield home when he knew federal agents were trying to arrest him.


But Brown said that his attempts to arm himself were merely defensive and that he added to his arsenal only after he became convinced U.S. marshals were trying to kill him.


"I was preparing to protect myself and my family, as any American would do," Brown said, describing his intentions. "At that point, pretty much all bets were off."


Brown and his wife, Elaine, have been charged with a combined 11 felonies for their behavior during a nearly nine-month standoff with federal agents. The couple evaded arrest on bench warrants by accumulating weapons, entertaining guests and issuing repeated threats against law enforcement agents. If they are found guilty, the Browns face virtual life sentences.


Prosecutors, who rested their case yesterday, have spent the past week laying out evidence of the many dangers found at the Brown home after the couple's October 2007 arrest by undercover marshals. Among other things, officials found 22 pipe bombs, dozens of gunpowder grenades, 10 booby trap devices and two .50-caliber rifles in the Brown house. The couple had collected night-vision goggles, military flack jackets, radio communication equipment and more than 60,000 rounds of ammunition.


A fingerprint expert testified that prints on several bombs matched Ed Brown's. Several witnesses said they saw Brown carry a gun.


Yesterday, Brown took responsibility for much of that evidence.


"Everything you found, I did, sir," Brown told Assistant U.S. Attorney Arnold Huftalen during cross-examination.


When questioned by his own lawyer, Brown said he had built the pipe bombs, taped nails to the gunpowder grenades, mounted the exploding rifle targets, and staged guns and ammunition himself.


But Brown told the jury his actions were justified given his fears that marshals would kill him and his wife if federal agents were allowed to enter his property. He had long been suspicious of federal power, and his anxiety was only heightened after he heard shots outside his house in June 2007 and learned armored personnel carriers were driving nearby, he said.


Several witnesses testified about the events on June 7, 2007, the day, Brown said, that convinced him of the marshals' bad intentions. Several covert teams of deputy marshals had hidden near the driveway, hoping to arrest Brown when he picked up the mail. Instead, the marshals were discovered by a Brown supporter walking the couple's German shepherd.


Marshals have testified that they fired "less-than-lethal" rounds at Danny Riley, then shocked him with a Taser and took him into custody. Minutes later, a sniper said he saw Ed Brown lift a .50-caliber rifle from the observation deck atop a four-story tower in the house and point it in the direction of that confrontation.


"Frankly, I was scared to death," Brown said. "I ran up to the upper deck. I figured if I'm going to be killed, I'm going to protect myself. So I grabbed that large-caliber gun, and I ran up."


Witnesses at trial have said that a .50-caliber rifle is capable of hitting targets with great accuracy at distances over a mile. A deputy marshal with experience with the weapon told jurors a shot from the gun would "effectively blow a person up."

During cross-examination, Huftalen lifted the three long, heavy .50-caliber rifles that were at the house at the time. Brown was unable to say which one he had used.


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Ed & Elaine Brown Trial:  The Smoke and Mirrors Event is Over!

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©


Now that all the "Smoke & Mirrors" of a Government Mind Control Project, i.e., a conjured up "Color of Law" criminal trial  reducing a factual event experienced by Ed and Elaine Brown, a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man and Wife exercising their God-given Right to Self-Defense by standing in God's Law and Common Law is nearing its end,

Can anybody spot the OBVIOUS INJUSTICE inflicted upon Ed and Elaine? 

Can anybody see its link to the deterioration of the American Society?

Not one in a thousand will see it. 

The comments following the recitation of the trial events have already proved that.  We Americans have been reduced to a nation of people operating with "diminished capacity."  We have lost our spirit, our intelligence, our will to live and resolve our personal  problems alone.  Ed and Elaine, in their actions, have shown that a nation of codependent slaves, incomplete in their humanity, those who cannot rise above their own conditioned hell-bound intellect, can only band together to  encourage and promote a legal lynching,  to "String Em Up, to give us Barabbas."

Ed and Elaine Challenged the Fictional unconstitutional, non-Article III,  Administrative Court to prove its jurisdiction over them, presenting themselves as a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural man and Woman standing before a "fictional court"  . 

Did the court follow the law and stop all trial proceedings until the question of JURISDICTION was answered"   No!  It simply DENIED the motion.  Isn't that CONVENIENT?  When those who hold the liberty and life of others in their hands cannot or will not answer questions as to their Authority to sit in such judgment, Justice is not possible, and Tyranny is inevitable.

Beyond that simple cornerstone of law, which stands as the foundation of all Law, all actions of the prosecuting government during the trial are therefore MOOT.  It has been an exercise in Illusion, a mind control experiment inflicted upon 12 jurors who are not fully informed as to their true power when sitting as jurors.  They are primed to follow the law as given them by a Judge that has made a mockery of the law by denying fundamental motions issued forth by Ed and Elaine Brown.

Simply stated, Ed and Elaine Stood in Common Law.  What they got an unconstitutional court presiding over "unlawful"  prosecution by Contract Law, even though Ed and Elaine had not consented to any contractual agreements despite the traps set by Legalistic word-twisting Lawyers. 

Life is quite simple when one lives in Truth.  Life is Hell when one lives according to the complexity of mind control  legalistic concepts wherein unseen puppeteers pull the strings of herdlike sheeple via these fictional,  Politically Correct Satanic Concepts. 

Ed and Elaine represent the God-given Freedom of any  Man or Woman of The Sovereign People who desire to live their own lives responsibly.. 

Sadly, the vast reaction of "string em up" crowd, populated  by the average dumbed down, broken-spirited sheeple reveal a collective attitude of undiscerning Slaves, fearful of their mispercieved masters, who are merely public servants who have usurped the power of their Master, the Sovereign People..

According to reports of the Trial, Ed did not deny any of the Charges Launched against him.  Why?  HE WAS ACTING IN SELF DEFENSE!

He has a right to exercise Self-Defense.  You, each of you also  have a right to exercise Self-Defense when a fictional government can convert a RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE, in a CRIME,

When that happens,  Freedom and Liberty go out the windown and is replaced by TYRANNY.

My fellow Americans, your lesson in FREEDOM 101 is now over.

A conviction of Ed and Elaine Brown is a DEATH SENTENCE to you and yours when it comes your turn in the Satanic hopper and you have no option left but to resort to the GUN in bloody revolution.. 

                Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

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Attorney: Browns weren't giving up
   
By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff
July 09, 2009 - 8:11 am

Ed and Elaine Brown were preparing for a guerrilla war on their Plainfield property, stockpiling weapons, building bombs and preparing to kill U.S. marshals if they came to arrest them, prosecutors told jurors during closing arguments in the couple's conspiracy and weapons case yesterday.

"Ed and Elaine Brown were not going to surrender," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Terry Ollila. "They were never going to surrender. They wanted to wage war against the United States, and they wanted to wage war against the U.S. Marshals Service."

The defense rested and both sides offered closing arguments yesterday in the case of the tax protesting couple who fled their federal trial in January 2007 and holed up in their fortified concrete home for nearly nine months, entertaining visitors, accumulating weapons and repeating threats of violence.

The couple stand accused of a combined 11 felonies, including conspiracy, obstruction of justice, failure to appear in court and possessing destructive devices.

The jury of four women and eight men deliberated for three hours yesterday without coming to a verdict.

Ollila used her closing argument to paint a portrait of the couple as united toward a common, violent goal - and prepared for combat.

"There was nothing about them or their views that equates to peacefulness," she said.

Prosecutors spent nearly a week describing the arsenal of guns, ammunition and homemade bombs that investigators found at the Browns' home after their arrest by undercover marshals. That stash included 21 pipe bombs, dozens of gunpowder grenades, 10 tripwire-triggered booby trap devices, exploding rifle targets hung around the perimeter of the house and sniper rifles positioned near windows.

Then Ed Brown, testifying in his own defense, took responsibility for them all.

"Everything you found, I did," the 66-year-old militia leader and retired cockroach exterminator said Tuesday.

The Browns' lawyers took different tacks in closing arguments. Ed Brown's attorney, Michael Iacopino, focused on his client's mental state. Ed Brown feared for his life, Iacopino said, and used weapons only to protect himself from what he believed to be a coming government assault.

Brown's perspective was informed by his knowledge of prior bloody government standoffs and his own personal experiences with the U.S. marshals, who employed large teams of armed men to arrest the Browns and search their home and office, Iacopino said.

"His intent was to live, not to commit a crime," he said.

Ed Brown's testimony, which concluded yesterday, was testy and featured several arguments with Judge George Singal. At one point yesterday, Singal ejected Brown from the courtroom after an outburst. Iacopino urged jurors to look past Brown's personality to focus on the elements of the crimes.

"Ed Brown was not polite on the witness stand. He was not the most gentlemanly man. He didn't take direction well," Iacopino said. "But he is still an innocent man."



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The Right to Travel vs. the Privilege to Drive.

A personal and public note to Christopher Smith.

Perhaps we can clear up the confusion which exists in our respective positions.

 When I responded to your letter, I did not put a face to the name.  I responded to words on the screen, words on the printed paper.

Chris, I respect you as a man of integrity.  My use of the word Ignorant was not meant as a personal attack, but a word which denotes "unawareness" of facts existing beyond one's understanding.

I will speak for myself and no other when I say that I live by God's Law, and Common Law,  I recognize the US Constitution to be a Contract between the Sovereign People and its Servant Government. 

My Unalienable Rights are derived from the Creator.  The Right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  The Right to Life includes the right to Self Defense.  The Right to Liberty includes the Right to Travel. 

No man-made government can rescind those rights.  Such rights cannot arbitrarily be converted into privileges as when one is told they  must be licensed, must seek permission from government in order to travel from point A to point B,  via the normal travel conveyance of the day. 

In years past, that "normal travel conveyance of the day"  was the horse.  Today it is the automobile. 

In Common Law, a crime is committed only when one damages another man or causes damage to another  man's property, or infringes upon another man's rights.  It is the law of Responsibility.  If no Claim of Damage to another person or property, or infringement of Rights exists, NO CRIME exists.   Chris that is Law.

Unfortunately, modern day man has been psychologically conditioned to think that victimless "Color of Law" legislation creates a crime when it does not.  That is the illusion of law that extracts power from the people and bestows it upon bureaucrats, legislators, judges, prosecutors, and policemen via a mountain of "corporate policy" masquerading as Law. 

Such victimless offenses are founded in contract law, between corporate "persons"  .  It is gained by government through one's consent, misguided or otherwise.  Todays modern day courts are not lawful Article III courts, but operate as  unconstitutional Administrative Courts which gain their power and control via Maritime Law, administering contract law.  The average taxpaying citizen is completely unaware of deceptive system they support with their tax monies.

I, Chris, am a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man.  I AM NOT a "person" a corporate entity as defined in the vehicle code.  Therefore its rules and regulations, merely corporate policy HAS NO JURISDICTION over me unless I waive my rights and/or consent to them. 

The limited Administrative court operating in America today, is based in Maritime Law, Contract law has NO JURISDICTION over me unless I grant them jurisdiction through my consent or waiver of Rights. 

The law states: "There, every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature.  He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent."  CRUDEN v NEALE, 2 N.C. 338 (1796) 2 S.E. 70. 

  The average man bound by the chains of his enslavement through words would gasp at such a revelation.  Yet it remains to be Truth, which could liberate a slave bound society.

The word "drive" is a commercial word.  Travel is not a Commercial Word. 

In my ignorance as a 16 year old, after being told I must have a Drivers license if I were to travel from point A to point B via automobile,  I accepted it as Truth, I didn't question it.  After all, everybody I knew accepted it as well.  That acceptance constituted agreement, consent, contract when I signed my name to the application..

 Full disclosure of all of the terms attendant to such signature were not made known to me at the time, (let alone my ability to understand them)  It was after many years of ignorance, some as a Police Sergeant, carrying out the Training provided by the Corporate State,  that I understood the significance of binding oneself to a contract which on its face was invalid for lack of disclosure, that I took the measure of Rescinding My License in 1999. 

Since I am not engaged in commerce since 1999 while using the public roads, and I use them solely for the purpose of travel,  the Police Powers granted  government via the US Constitution to regulate commerce and traffic does not apply to me, this living, breathing, flesh-and-blood, sentient, natural man, i.e., an non-person in the vernacular of legalese as long as I do not commit a Common Law Crime.

I am a responsible man.  I understand your concerns for the irresponsibility for the drunk driver who took your grandmother's life, but even you must see that a LICENSE was irrelevant to the issue. 

I am writing this to you because I perceive you to be a reasonable man.  I also am writing to the rest of those who are reading this letter in the newspaper. 

It is only when man will act responsibly that our society will change. That is a tall order for those who have allowed others to do their "thinking" for them. 

                      Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

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Right to drive
From Christopher Smith
Cave Junction

Recently, George McElroy, Raymond Karczewski and I traded letters to the editor regarding the topic of the “right to drive.” In my letter I asked that if driving was a god-given right for them to please prove it to me.

I was then presented by McElroy with an envelope of information of which he claims supports his belief that people have the right to drive. Included was a 21-page brief printed off the Internet. McElroy also included a note in which he expected to see me submit a retraction to my original letter. Here is my “retraction” —

I read all the documentation that McElroy provided. I found parts to be humorous and parts to be obscure. It included several sites from legal trials and rulings. I question if McElroy researched to see what those trials were. I wonder if some of the sites were actually taken out of context, and I question their relevance to the issue at hand.

I also question the accuracy of the Website from which it was printed. Just because it is on the Web does not make it true, right or accurate. The documentation basically did not sway my opinion toward agreement with theirs. Oddly enough, it seems that the majority of the fine folks in Cave Junction do not share the sentiment about people having a right to drive.

Since my letter was printed I have heard from several people who are in agreement with me. Not a single person has told me that I was wrong, except for McElroy and Karczewski.

McElroy did bring up the right to travel vs. the right to drive. I do not argue that people have a common right to travel. People have been traveling since the dawn of man. I could not care less if people want to walk, run, bike or whatever to get around.

I do care that people carry a plastic card called a drivers license showing that at one time during their life they were able to prove that they could competently operate a 2,000-pound plus piece of machinery called a car. A car can do some serious damage if the person behind the wheel does not know how to operate it.

After reading what McElroy provided me I understand that it is his belief that people have the right to operate a car no matter what age, experience or training. So is he then saying that it is OK for my 3-year-old son to drive my car? I wonder if McElroy would change his mind if my son, being an inexperienced driver and 3 years old, was to miss the corner where his store is and drove into the storefront.

That example is extreme, but if we follow the evidence that he provided it could happen. This could go for someone of any age behind the wheel of a car without training or experience.

My next point comes from Jan. 12, 1976. That is the date of my sister’s birth and also the date that my grandmother died. She was driving on Redwood Hwy. toward Grants Pass to see my sister at a hospital. A drunk driver was headed toward Cave Junction on the wrong side of the road. He struck her and she died.

This occurred prior to my birth. That drunk driver who in the eyes of some had a right to drive took away my and my sister’s right to a grandmother and my father’s right to a mother. My sister and I never got to even meet a woman who was described to us as extraordinary by those who knew her.

If I am ignorant, as I was referred to by Karczewski, it is that I am ignorant in the love of a grandmother. I know that there are others in the world who are also ignorant in the love of a family member taken from them by someone who was driving, but really should have had no right to drive. Do McElroy or Karczewski fall into this category, or are they ignorant of the feeling of losing a loved one to an auto wreck?

My final note is that it is funny that McElroy has license plates on his autos. For someone who preaches that licensing restricts a right he isn’t following his own beliefs. It wouldn’t surprise me if he even has a current and valid Oregon driver’s license. The phrase “practice what you preach” comes to mind.




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The Idiocy of a Nation of Sheeple. (Was: Ed & Elaine Brown Trial: The Smoke and Mirrors Event is Over!)

MaidMarion  wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:
        
Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:21 pm        

mm:  >  Thank you once again Ray for your kind and enlightened post.

mm:  >  There are no word I can express that convey my grief over what has happened to Ed and Elaine Brown.

mm:  >  The dispair I am feeling is truly intense and I not only grieve for Ed and Elaine but for us all.

rk:  Maureen, you sentiments are right on.  I too, was shocked by the verdict.  Why? Because it reflects a mindset which prevails in a rapidly deteriorating society that was once called the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

rk:  Millions have seemingly lost their souls, have lost their spirituality, their common sense, and are now being primed to lose their freedom followed by the loss of their lives.

rk:  You see its all done through mind control.  The satanic force which reduces Sovereign men and women into fearful, grovelling slaves, those who find themselves at the mercy of their once "public servants" who now don the cloak of MASTERS.

rk:  How did all this come about?  Is it not through collective SELF-DOUBT through Religious and Politically correct induced mind controlled behavior?.

rk:  For example, all Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Men and Women are born, and granted  the right to live, to protect that life and the life of their loved ones through SELF-DEFENSE when it becomes necessary. 

rk:  That is an Unalienable Right granted us by our Creator.  It is a right that no fictional servant government can subvert. 

rk:  Yet, through lawyerly trickery, such subversion has indeed taken place in America, wherein the Sovereign American People, the True Government have been caused to doubt themselves and thus, have capitulated to a certain class of people (police, military. and criminals) who seek to possess all the guns  and other means of protection while leaving the populace helpless, hopeless and defenseless in their protection of themselves and their families when faced by criminals and corporate enforcement agents of the State.

rk:  What was it that Ed & Elaine were convicted of? 

1.  Failure to transfer their wealth to government agents demanding payment at the barrel of the gun, handcuffs and jail (when no law could be produced that Ed and Elaine were subject to it)

2.  Standing alone (despite political noise which sounded like support.) against public servants who no longer know their place, and have donned the cloak of tyranny via tactics of threat, intimidation, and deadly force. 

rk:  The marshals were armed were they not?  They have shown their intentions and capacity to use such deadly force at Waco and Ruby Ridge, Did they not?  Yet the PR word meisters cover their deadly intentions and actions with positive imagery, with words, words, words.  And the cowardly, the fearful buy them. 

rk:  Ed and Elaine did not buy them.  They did not capitulate.  They stood their ground and faced down the camouflaged, ground crawling, snipers who brag they could have taken Ed out anytime they wanted to.

rk:  The blind have always been led by the blind.  That has made them slaves.  The spiritually sighted generally are seen as outsiders, those who stand alone to point out the obvious, which cannot, will not be seen by the blind.  For to see the reality which stands before them, the illusion of their secure enslavement would be exposed and they would have to live responsibly, no longer children in the eyes of the law, no longer "Wards of the State.". 

rk;  One American Patriot, Patrick Henry, once said.  "Give me Liberty or Give me Death."  But he and others backed that up with guns and other implements which put them on an even playing field with their invading oppressors.

rk: In Common Law, a crime is committed only when one damages another man or causes damage to another  man's property, or infringes upon another man's rights.  It is the law of Responsibility.  If no Claim of Damage to another person or property, or infringement of Rights exists, NO CRIME exists  Ed and Elaine made their stand on Common Law.  They were overruled by pseudo law, "Color of Law."  Bassackwards, isn't it?

rk:  Who did Ed and Elaine Brown harm?  Where is the victim who has been damaged by Ed and Elaine's actions?.  Whose Rights have Ed and Elaine Brown infringed upon?  In other words.  WHERE IS THEIR CRIME?

rk:  This man and woman, husband and wife HARMED NO ONE.  They removed themselves from the harm being perpetrated upon them by Satanic "Color of Law" Corporate policies which have subverted Common Law in America.   And that itself became another crime in the eyes of misguided public servants  which caused the enforcers to PYRAMID charges against them for merely demonstrating they, Ed and Elaine, had, and were exercising  their right to SELF DEFENSE. 

rk:  Now government is advancing the theory that no man or woman any longer has the right to Life, but their life now belongs to the state and they are merely allowed to  exist via the privilege granted them  by the State.  Our Founding Fathers fought a Revolution to allow men to live free, to remove the chains which bind blind believers by the satanic systems which enslave them through mind control.

rk:  Has anyone noted that the Judge, did not follow the law and answer in writing the JURISDICTION Challenge by Ed and Elaine but merely DENIED IT?   How much more heavyhanded must government be before Americans AWAKEN to the Tyranny which is enveloping our land? When will the hypnotically controlled populace fully arise from their sleep and rectify the Satanic imbalance?

rk:  As far as Ed and Elaine are concerned.  IT AIN'T OVER TILL ITS OVER!

rk:  The government, in their actions have AWAKENED THE SLEEPING GIANT that is the American public!


                      Raymond Ronald Karczewski



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Ed & Elaine Brown:  An American Story of the Right to Self-Defense!!


As I read the flow of these comments following the conviction of Ed and Elaine Brown, I note a pattern of gloating by cowardly, anonymous  "soundbyters".  The Give Us Barabbas crowd, hide behind aliases, make their bloodlusting comments from the shadows, while those who are serious about Law and Liberty in these united states of America, put their actual names behind their words.

I am a retired Police Sergeant from a California Police Department living on pension in Southern Oregon. 

My contact with Ed & Elaine came from their Radio Show on Republic Broadcasting Network.  When my wife was dying and was not responding to allopathic care, Ed and Elaine preemptively offered and paid for Naturopathic Care for my wife. Just like that!  They didn't make it public.  It was not some publicity stunt.   That, my friends is not the spirit of criminals.  That is the spirit of loving, human beings, who care about their fellow man.

I suggest their stand against the government is based on the same spiritual love for their fellow man, but most seemingly are too blind to see it.

By the way, my wife of 49 years passed away, much of her suffering was traced to the stress and suffering she experienced at the hands of the STATE OF OREGON and COUNTY OF JOSEPHINE court system who pulled similar shenanigans with me as those meted out to Ed and Elaine. 

When the bogus, Unconstitutional, courts attempted to sentence me to charges just as those against Ed and Elaine, I refused to accept their offer of sentencing (their offer of contract) , pointing out they had not proven jurisdiction on more than 20 plus occasions while awaiting, and during trial.  The result, was not the 35 years in prison for 7 felonies they threatened me with but the unceremonious way they THREW ME OUT OF THEIR JAIL, no sentence, no probation, no nothing.  That my friends is the fundamental issue that will set me free and God willing, with a hue and cry of the Public demanding the issue of JURISDICTION be answered and not merely set aside by denial,  Ed and Elaine shall also be set Free.  

As in most government jobs there is the job and the politics that go along with the job.  Doing one's job, i.e., enforcing the law is easy if the cop is an man of integrity who observes life in a balanced way and  lives by his oath.  It is damn near impossible for any cop  to do his job when the image bound policy makers put them in the middle of sometimes compromising, sometimes "harms way.".   That always remains the "moment of truth" for every cop who has ever put on the badge.

Coming from an ex-cop, and one who still lives by the Oath he took to defend the Constitution, I observe Ed and Elaine Brown to be courageous and compassionate  human beings in their stand against "Color of Law" tyranny.  

When the courts refused To SHOW THEM THE LAW, followed up by refusing to address the question of JURISDICTION in writing, as their own law prescribes Ed, followed by Elaine did the only thing they could do under the circumstances of such overwhelming force and satanic imagery they faced.  They removed themselves from the Kangaroo court proceedings and drew national attention upon themselves and the unconstitutional "Color of Law" Administrative contract courts to spotlight the plight of the increasingly tyrannized American Public.

Was it over when they did that?  Of course not!  Now came the test of their convictions.  Could Ed and Elaine stand up to the overwhelming force being directed against them by superior armed forces?    Were they willing to exercise their Unalienable Right to Self-Defense, when all their so-called vocal supporters suddenly disappeared, leaving them all alone to face "Their Moment of Truth."

The answer lies in the hokey pyramided charges lodged against them by the Feds which CONVERTED their Unalienable Right to Self-Defense into 11 felony crimes. 

As long as there are tyrants who wish to disarm the American public and continue to arm their own enforcement agents (Police and Armies)  with guns, SO WILL THE FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN PUBLIC retain their guns. 

IT IS A MATTER OF THE UNALIEANABLE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE.

That is the True theme which lies at the heart of the story behind Ed and Elaine Brown. 

THEY REPRESENT YOU, the AMERICAN TAXPAYER.  They represent each of You who have not yet been touched by such tyranny..

Remember this Ed and Elaine stood on their Unalienable Right and Common Law.  They were drawn into a corporate contract court, without their consent and against their will based on Corporate "victimless crimes"  No living victime made a claim against them. (The State, a non-living fiction  is incapable of Testifying "Under Oath or Affidavit")  Ed and Elaine Challenged the fictional Court on that Jurisdictional issue over them, a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient Natural Man and Woman, and the court refused to follow the law, and prove such in writing.  Hence Ed and Elaine were tried and convicted in an UNCONSTITUTIONAL non-article III court, and thus its findings are null and void, having NO FORCE OF LAW behind them.

The solution Is found in our Constitution.  Will the American People hold the corporate courts to the Supreme Law of the Land, and Common Law,   For if they do, they shall cause Ed and Elaine Brown to be Free and will restore our Constitutional Republic that is being destroyed by a corporate ruled, NEW WORLD ORDER.  

                      Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
                      Retired Police Sergeant
                      Cave Junction Oregon

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Whatever the Browns did for your wife...

New By Chimpanzee Refuge on Mon, 07/13/2009 - 20:40

...doesn't let them off the hook for their shenanigans in New Hampshire. You as a former officer of the law should know better. And anyone who uses the phrase "New World Order" (whether in ALL CAPS or not) might as well have PARANOID branded on his forehead.


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Ed & Elaine Brown:  An American Story of the Right to Self-Defense!!

War On You wrote:


I put this on the blog Ray.

MSM has tried to portray the Brown's as terrorist with caches of weapons. That raises a big red flag because they shouldnt be concerned what in your house. Even if its explosives. The police state has people duped into thinking these types of people are bad. It doesnt take much research to see the Browns are American Patriot heroes.

Hopefully the Browns dont break for the phony plea deal. Knowing what you both know I wont believe it if I witnessed it with both of our eyes.

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Effects of Internet Mind Control -- One should look, before they leap

Internet Mind Controlled Female wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:


mcf:  >>  I wasn't introducing myself---I read your rantings---then entered your name in the key word---read what your brother has to say about you---as I said---you need help---likely should be in a Mental Hospital!   Hope women don't get sucked into your web of evil!  I might forward what your brother has to say about you to the manager (of the forum rk), .  You are dangerous!

rk: >  Now I understand.  You've just been victimized by disinformation agents who have stalked my writing for the last 14 years.  I have no brother named Abraham, nor a host of other people who portray themselves as being children and relatives of mine.  Why do they stalk me.  If you read some of the articles on my website, you would understand why.

rk:  >  One should look, before they leap    Ray
     
mcf:   I'm sure, if I were interested, and I'm NOT---that I could find Anita and get her side of your perversion and the damage you did to her, and likely gave her syphilis as well. A lot of folks agree that you need help for your perversions.

rk:  You are really a "piece of work" aren't you?  What is it which exists   within you that causes you to be drawn and cling to such blatant deception while refusing to delve deeper and determine the Truth for yourself?

rk:  Don't feel like you are alone.  You are amongst millions of others who are so easily manipulated through mind control handlers that do your thinking for you.  That is why our world is in the shape that its in.

rk:  read http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch228.html#OREGON, then bring up Anita's Death Certificate. on the Internet, which you will find the disinfo agents deny while they continue their campaign of libel.  How does it feel to be so easily duped?

rk:  I have no interest in continuing to deal with anyone as ignorant and addicted to the dark side of humanity  as you, I can only mirror the true spirit contaminated by such thoughts/beliefs.  Perhaps you will wake up,  probably not!!

                           Raymond Ronald Karczewski©


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New Evidence In Ed & Elaine Brown Case"  Is it a Red Herring to Misdirect Attention away from Court's Lack of Jurisdiction?

     This whole issue of "late" evidence suddenly offered up  by a Security Agent in the "after-the-verdict" Defense Of Ed and Elaine Brown, just SMACKS of a red herring designed to keep public attention glued at the superficial level of mindless theories/opinions and slurs while ignoring the FUNDAMENTAL LAW that was not obeyed by the Courts, i.e., the establishment PROOF OF JURISDICTION in response to Ed and Elaine Brown's Challenge.

     It has all the appearances of "Keep the Sheeple misdirected", while the Satanic Judicial System grinds away at the freedom, liberty, reputation and life of Ed and Elaine Brown, a man and a woman who exercised their Right to Trial in a Constitutional Court but was denied by an Unconstitutional Administrative Court whose limited jurisdiction is based in contract law.

    The Real Legal Issue still remains to be the Court's lack of Proof of Jurisdiction over Ed and Elaine via Judge Singal's "denial" without statement rather than his written proof JURISDICTION  as present law dictates.

   A wave of American protest must inundate the courts and cause this basic question of JURISDICTION to be answered, completely and unequivocably, by the Judge, and/or Prosecuting Attorneys accompanied by their Oath or Affidavit upon their own private, unlimited, commercial liability if America is to continue to be "The Land of the Free." and not a slave colony for the New World Order.

   That is the only question that can settle the "guilt or innocence of Ed and Elaine Brown and remove it from the "smoke and mirrors" of a lawyer directed word-twisting, atmosphere by bringing it out into the open and into the full light of Day.   American's are ruled by Illusion.  All illusion is Satanic, Intellectual, unreal.  It is time for America and the rest of the world to WAKE UP to that fact..

   The authorities are hoping the public has a short memory span  amd can and will be manipulated away from the REAL LAW in this case, so they may go back to "railroading Ed and Elaine Brown.

                             Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
                             Cave Junction Oregon

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Filing: New evidence for Browns

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff
July 20, 2009 - 8:06 am
   
Less than an hour after a federal jury found Ed
and Elaine Brown guilty of conspiracy, weapons
possession and obstruction of justice, a man
claiming to be a security contractor involved in
their case called Ed Brown's lawyer and said he
had information that could help the defense, court
documents say.


That man, who told Michael Iacapino that his
name was David Quinn and that he worked for a
company called the Forseti Group, said his
company's employees had helped arrest the
Browns – and that details about their capture
offered at trial were not accurate.



Prosecutors in the case say investigators never
hired Quinn or the Forseti Group, but the
Browns' lawyers have relied on Quinn's phone call
to ask the judge for an investigation of the
potential new evidence and have called for a new
trial if it is legitimate.


“The information provided by Quinn is material
and relevant and could have been used at trial,”
Iacapino wrote in his motion.


Earlier this month, the Browns were found guilty
of a combined 11 felonies for their conduct during
a nearly nine month standoff with federal officials
at their castle-like home in Plainfield. Testimony
at trial described stashes of homemade bombs and
sniper rifles in the house, where the Browns had
publicly vowed that any confrontation with law
enforcement would result in violence. They face
mandatory minimum sentences of 30 years in
prison.


The Browns were arrested in October 2007 by a
team of undercover marshals disguised as
supporters. Those marshals were introduced to
the couple by a confidential informant, the group's
commander told jurors at trial.


According to court filings, Quinn told lawyers for
both Browns that his company was hired by the
U.S. Marshals Service in June 2007 and asked to
help arrange for the Browns' capture. Quinn said
the company ordered a psychological evaluation
of Ed Brown. According to Iacapino's filing, that
assessment determined that Ed Brown was
mentally ill.


Quinn also disputed the details of the Browns'
arrest described by a deputy U.S. marshal who
testified during the trial. W.S. Robertson told
jurors that his team was introduced to the Browns
by a confidential informant, but said that he and
his men were the ones who restrained, disarmed
and handcuffed the Browns. Iacapino's motion
says that Quinn alleges that the informant was the
one who “disarmed and seized” Ed Brown.



The filings suggest that Quinn also shared some
new information about Elaine Brown's actions on
the day of the arrest, though they do not provide
any details.


“Based on his observations, he drew potentially
exculpatory conclusions about Elaine Brown's
interactions with her husband,” says the motion
penned by Elaine Brown's attorney, Bjorn Lange.


Quinn told Iacapino that he was on an “overseas
trip” during the trial; he came forward after the
verdict was announced because an employee who
followed the trial told him about the
inconsistencies, Iacapino's filing says.


The Browns' motions allege that prosecutors
failed to turn over information about Quinn and
the Forseti group as part of discovery. But a
response filed by prosecutors argues that the
government did not share such documents because
they don't exist.


The prosecution filing denies that the marshals
ever hired the Forseti Group, worked with Quinn
or ever ordered any psychological profile of
Brown.


“The (U.S. Marshals Service) did not hire or enter
into a contract with the Forseti Group, or David
Quinn, or any other person or entity purporting to
work for or be related to the Forseti Group,” says
the motion, signed by Assistant U.S. Attorney
Arnold Huftalen.



Huftalen's filing says that a thorough survey of
any marshals service employees who would know
about such a contract revealed no information
about the group. He also said that marshals
denied ordering or receiving a psychological
evaluation of the Browns “at any time or from any
entity.”


Lawyers in the case have been ordered by U.S.
District Judge George Singal not to make public
statements. U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier declined
to comment on the defense's allegations.


Lange's filing suggests that his office made some
efforts to verify Quinn's story.



“The Forseti Group has a website and appears to
counsel to be a legitimate private security
company,” he said.


Internet searches for the company turns up two
companies with that name. One site advertises a
“sales training and consulting firm.” The other,
for a security firm, says it's “under construction,
and appears not to have been updated since 2004.



“Our primary focus is the training and
certification of executive, diplomatic, and celebrity
protection; law enforcement and private security
tactics; and personal protection,”
Forsetigroup.com says.


Phone and fax numbers listed on the site are now
assigned to residential land lines in North
Carolina. A page listing biographies of the
company's employees does not list a David Quinn.


A young girl who answered at the advertised
Forseti Group phone number said she did not
know anything about the Forseti Group.


An e-mail sent to Andrew Ferguson, the “director
of operations,” on Friday was not returned.


Singal has yet to rule on the motions.



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Forseti Group denies Browns connection And the Intriguing Misdirection Continue to Go on!

The Intriguing Misdirections Continue To Go On While Ed and Elaine Brown Are being Railroaded by an Unconstitutional, UnLawful, Non-Article III Court which refuses to Follow the Law and and Meet the Challenge of Ed and Elaine Brown to Prove JURISDICTION over them, a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man and Woman who Understand their Sovereignty.   America is witnessing the Death of a Constitutional .Republic "of the People, By the People, and For the People".

And the Sheeple slumber on!!!

Raymond Karczewski©
Cave Junction Oregon

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Concord Monitor Newspaper Article
Forseti Group denies Browns connection
   
By Margot Sanger-Katz Monitor staff

July 22, 2009 - 12:00 am   

The director of operations for the Forseti Group, a company that advertised itself as a private security firm in 2004, said he doesn't know anyone named David Quinn and has never worked with the U.S. Marshals Service.

Rodney Price e-mailed the Monitor this week after a man who identified himself as Quinn and said he worked for the Forseti Group called the lawyer of Plainfield tax protester Ed Brown and said he'd been involved in Brown's apprehension.

Ed Brown and his wife, Elaine, were found guilty of 11 federal felonies this month in connection with a nearly nine-month standoff with federal agents. The man calling himself Quinn told the Browns' lawyers that trial testimony had been inaccurate and that he had information that could have helped the couple's defense. Both lawyers have asked the court to review the evidence and order a new trial.

Federal officials have denied any connection with Quinn or the Forseti Group. The judge in the case has scheduled a telephone conference on the matter for later this week. It will not be open to the public.

In a court filing, Elaine Brown's lawyer, Bjorn Lange, mentioned the Forseti Group's website as evidence that the company was real. The website is dated back to 2004 and lists phone numbers that have since been reassigned to residential landlines. But listed e-mails apparently still work. Price, listed as president on that website, says he has had no involvement in the Brown case.

"There is not now, or has there ever been anyone by the name David Quinn, employed or associated with this company," he wrote, in response to a Monitor inquiry. "We have no association with USMS pertaining to this matter."

Margot Sanger-Katz