Zenas wrote:
Raymond Karczewski
(arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:
rk:
>> "That statement comes out of ignorance, fear,
apathy or lethargy. Take your pick. Every natural born American Citizen
has the Right to change their status once they realize they have been
hoodwinked into 14th Amendment slavery by their trusted leadership. It
is their Right to live under the De Jure Constitution as Sovereign
People then as slaves under the De Facto Constitution. . Of course many
throughout the years have been seduced out of their natural
intelligence and have grown to love their slavery."
z:
> I'm neither afraid, ignorant or apathetic. There you
are again, attacking other members of the choir, because they don't
want to sing a duet with you.
rk: Why do you
perceive what I have said to you as an attack? It is merely
Truth. Take it or leave it. But at least understand it.
z:
> I've been aware of the Sovereignty issue since
the early 1980s. I learned how to handle myself in a courtroom from
George Gordon through lengthy personal discussion and through his 90
hours of tapes. George Gordon went to court many many times on the very
same issues you did and never lost a case.
rk: Yours is the
worldy approach. Mine the spiritual.
z:
> I've got documented evidence, that I will be glad to
share with you, from a court trial I was involved in, wherein the
presiding judge admitted that I was the best pro-se litigant he had had
in his courtroom in his entire career, spanning three decades. I think,
based upon his opinion, not mine, that distinguishes me as qualified to
speak regarding legal and court matters.
rk: Why do you
need another to endorse your authenticity. What of your words and
actions. Do they not speak volumes of themselves? Do they
not reveal the True individual you are, whether you like it or
not? Are not your words and your action at one, indivisible,
holistic, Truth, or are you like the average hypocrite, you say one
thing but do another?
z: >
You're not dealing with a person with 3rd grade mentality. And you will
win more with some honey in your mouth than with words laced with
arsenic.
rk: Truth does
not pander to illusion, to images which seek to survive in the jungle
of illusion. It stands as a mirror for all who seek understanding
to see themselves as they are, and not as they "think" they are.
z:
> Like I said, you have no idea of who I am or what I
think.
rk: Once again,
your words reveal who and what you are, like it or not.
z:
> We live in a Constitutional Republic. How is demanding
a "none of the above' on a ballot an aggressive display of ignorance?
rk: Because in
Truth, it accomplishes nothing in the moment of NOW, the only place
where actual changes occur.
z: >
It's demanding another choice to select our leaders, an option that we
can exercise until we get the kind of leaders we need to lead this
country in the times we find ourselves in. Or do you think you can live
in a leaderless country?
rk: In Truth, the
nondualistic moment of Now, there are no choices to be made, there is
just WHAT IS. Choice enters consciousness in the dead
"aftermoment" of time-bound Intellectual dualistic intellectual
thought, the Satanic ruled realm responsible for mind controlling
institutions of government, politics, religion, and Hell on
Earth.
rk >>
"A moderator on another forum suggested that I do the same thing and
bring it down to the level where a 3rd, grader would understand. He
doesn't think much of his subscribers, does he? "
z:
> Neither do you it appears. If you can't explain your
position in a cogent manner so that even an uneducated but liberty
loving patriot what wants to follow your example, can understand, then
you don't understand your topic well enough to be teaching others.
rk: That is
merely a rationalization for your inability to touch the hem of Truth,
because you are chained to satanic, sound-byte thought.
z:
> How many weeks did you spend in jail before you were
set free? I think I heard on your taped recording that you spent 16
months incarcerated?
rk: That is
either a misdirection on your part, or an attempt at
disinformation. Why? I spend 121 days in solitary
confinement 7 days in general population for a total of 128
days What was the justification for one who had never been
arrested once in the previous 65 yrs of life?
rk: I
asserted my Unalienable Right to Travel on the highways of Oregon
without bowing and scraping before, seeking permission from the
State via licensing. They violated my Unalienable Right to
Liberty which includes the Right to Travel. When I held their
feet to the fire in court and demanded they prove JURISDICTION
over this Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man,
they sought to intimidate me, to break me threatened me with 35 years
of prison as a "Paper Terrorist". I embarked on two combined
hunger strickes amounting to 55 days. I represented myself in two bogus
trials, my strawman was convicted, I, this Living, Breathing,
Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural man refused to accept the
offer of Sentencing and Probation for the conjured up crimes of
another, In other words I refused their offer of Contract, giving them
JURISDICTION. When they realized they could not break me,
they threw me out of their Jail. Now they do their damndest to
IGNORE ME.
z: > How
many people with families are going to be able to spend that kind of
time behind bars while they prove they're "Free Sovereigns?" Not many.
rk: Not my
problem, is it? Nor is it the problem of anyone who truly
understands the price of freedom. Only dilletantes make issues
out of such matters.
z: > Are
you married - have young children? Doesn't look like you have young
children you have to support from your photos on your web site.
rk: Anita, my
wife of 49 years recently passed away, a victim of the stress and
pressure exerted by the Corrupt courts and government of the State of
Oregon and County of Josephine. She stood by me while she fought
for her life. The State of Oregon and County of Josephine KILLED
MY WIFE.
z:
> Your approach, one that I agree with 100% only works
when all family members understand what the costs are and are willing
to go the entire length of the ordeal, because if you quit, they win.
And they get emboldened to run rough shod over the next person who
comes before them with the same arguments.
z:
> And all this money you hope to receive. Have you
received any of it?
rk: It ain't over
till its over. There are no "Statutes of Limitation" for
Fraud. The State of Oregon, and County of Josephine know fully
well that I have them over a barrel when I decide to move on
them. In the meantime, my purpose is WAKE UP A SLEEPING
POPULACE, to contribute to meaningless forums by rendering
actual experiences with the Police and Courts beyond the usual
grumbling and speculation, and let the dilletantes see the difference
for themselves.
z:
> A good leader will lead those who want to follow
gently, not hammer them over the head because they don't get it right
the first time. Maybe you would do well to listen more, wise men do.
rk: I deal in
Truth. You deal in illusion. Perhaps you can discern the
difference in our manner of communication.
z: > "A wise
man will listen and increase learning." Proverbs 1:5
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
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