What is Wrong with Belief?

Fred Austin Wrote:

Raymond Karczewski Wrote:

fa:  > May I ask what is wrong with believing in Christ as one's personal savior so long as the person in question doesn't attempt to impose their beliefs upon another?

rk:    One may ask why anyone would desire to "believe" in a fantasy instead of Living at-one with "Truth?" 

rk:    Belief is the Lazy Man's Truth.  It is a function of Intellectual conclusion.  Such conclusions are Satanic fantasies in that they can only be accessed and experienced in dualistic, opposing, linear thought of a "conditioned" mind of the individual.

rk:    Thought is a reflection of Truth for it is based in the dualistic interaction of self-assertion and self-doubt, a tenuous realm of human consciousness always subject to debate, manipulation and eternal conflict. 

rk:   Those who filter the heretofore unknown unfoldment of Life in the eternal (timeless) moment of NOW through their own time-bound, aftermoment based, dualistic consciousness of  conditioned political and religious beliefs stumble through life in a blind, confused, and doubtful existence always in search of security and relief from their neverending travail.  They have forfeited their Divine Awareness of Direct Perception of Truth and so, are remotely controlled through an illusive hidden, shadowy authority which satanically enslaves them through their own projected but conditioned thought system.
 
rk:    Satanic Thought rules the Civilized world.  All civilized men and women therein are subject to the conditioned confusion which separates them from their spiritual brothers and sisters who also have been conditioned to believe in parochial, divisive, fragmented concepts which set them apart from each other and are thereby thrown  into eternal conflict keeping them separated and at eternal war, one with the other. 

rk:  Peace, Truth, the nondualistic energy of Love is an impossibility in such a dualistic, opposing, Satanically-ruled world.

rk:  Only a Christ, a simple man of Truth whose words and actions resonate with the unmistakable nondualistic ring of Truth is free from such Satanic  travail. 

rk:    His very beingness of nondualism causes a Christ to stick out like a sore thumb by His dualistic blind-believing contemporaries who have been trained to worship satanic (opposing) concepts as their "god".   Men and women, since time immemorial have been controlled through such myth and mysticism by their Satanic Leadership.

rk:    Religious mindcontrollers have twisted the minds of such blind believers making the state of nondualistic (Truth) Consciousness unattainable to them and through Satanic belief, cause them to  fantasize that such wholistic (whole-holy) consciousness of Divine Awareness, Direct perception/resonance with Truth to be the sole property of one Man, a mythical Christ, a point of worship, a mind control ICON, a trigger for behavior control.

rk:    Jesus of Nazareth spoke simply and truthfully when He said He was the "Truth Life and the Way."  He offered the path of Salvation to His Contemporaries, yet NOT A ONE understood Him, not even his disciples.  Such simple life as a Sovereign posed a threat to the existing Satanic controllers of His time, that He was put to death with the roaring approval of Pharisitical mind controlled believers.  Had they not been given the choice of Jesus or Barabbas.  Did they not choose one of their own, one they could identify with -- BARABBAS???

rk:  That, Fred, is what is "wrong" with your premise, and your question!!

                Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ



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Re: What is Wrong with Belief?

Al Martin writes:

Raymond Karczewski writes:
 
am:  >    Sounds right to me.    Although  I have my doubts about the accuracy of 2000 year old history. Gandhi  said that " the only devils in the world are those devils which we create in our minds" .

rk:  Al, the intellect itself is the arena of dissonance, is it not?  One must die to the intellect level of mind to be reborn of the "Spirit" of Divine Awareness where holistic direct perception is possible.  One cannot access nondualistic Truth via the dualistic Intellect level of mind.  They can only access the "idea" of Truth which is their "belief, their conditioned counterfeit truth.

al:  >    Even the name Jesus is historically incorrect  and it seems that there is a certain amount of disagreement on the correct spelling of Christ true name Yahshua. But does it realy matter? 

rk:  NO!!  Such peripheral matters are the petty distractions which prevent holistic perception from occuring.

al:  >    I respect accurate history, but I have my doubts.

rk:  Doubt is the nature of the dualistic satanic ruled intellect, is it not?

al:  >  I tend to agree with you on all points.

rk:  Al, your agreement is not necessary.  That you should SEE and Vibrate with the all encompassing vibration of Holistic Truth is all that is necessary.  When starting the journey to Truth via the Intellect, one inevitably comes to the understanding that "YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE."  That is the moment of Death for the Intellect and the Resurrection of the Holistic Spirit of Divine Intelligence, i.e., TRUTH.

al:  >   I would however, replace the word "satanic"  with the words  "spirit of error" or something to that effect.

rk:   Twould be a shame Al for you to walk over the manicured lawn and trip over a blade of grass, would it not?

al:  >   I don't believe that satan exsist.

rk:   Satan is the spirit of dualistic opposition which rules over the Intellect.  It is no more difficult to grasp than that.  The devolvement from nondualistic direct perception to dualistic conceptualization is Man's Fall from Grace, his descent into Hell.

al:  >  I do believe there is much evil in the world but all evil is born in the hearts of men just like all good.

rk:  Satan is the a-priori spirit of the dualistic good and evil you've just described -- the ruler of the Intellect.  There no man is free unless spiritual discernment is operant.

al:  >   It is us that hold the keys to Heven and Hell.

rk:  Correct.

al:  >  I am my own personal savior.

rk:  Correct

al:  >  The Christ is my compass.

rk:  Incorrect.  Christ Consciousness is the realm of Infinite nondualistic Awareness which lies beyond the limitation of dualistic consciousness of Intellect.  It is the realm of Love, Oneness, the very essence of NONDUALISM.

         Raymond Ronald Karczewski© --  A Living Christ



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What are you doing for help and who have you contacted about this crooked corupt redneck town?

From:     MISHA
To:     arkent3@earthlink.net
Subject:        Saw your write-up/read-me
Date:        May 1, 2007 8:37 PM

Hello.I will attempt to make this short and to the point.I am in Canada.I used to live in Cave Junction/Takilma community up 4 corners.I also lived in Williams when the big mushroom bust 2000 went down in Jan.I watched the 3 groups of interagency teams go up east fork,cedar flats etc, from the general store .

I was the care-taker at the time, on property, for Klamath Siskyou Wildlands project.A few month later I was to be detained by two camoflouged deputy sheriffs on the dirt road going back way to Takilma.I was no where near "a-patch" and had two women friends with me.We were held on the side of the road for over 3 hours awaiting a supposed photo of me :standing in a pot patch somewhere around that vicinity

.I was later incarcerated and charged with class A felony manufacture of a controled substance.The story goes on in how I watched meth addicted citizens being arrested and let back onto the streets within hours and few days of their initial incarceration.These people were commiting violent/drug related crimes and being set free.

There was a ballot measure vote that year in Oregon.Josephine counties DA's office was screaming for more funds and so was the Sheriffs Dept. Also there was a none demand by Sheriffs officaials and Da's office for anew electronic Jail.A Ballot measure vote"yes" sign for Sheriffs dept was demolished later to reveal a man had video taped an off duty sheriff doing the infraction.It was all to have more crime and make more crime so thre authorities and officials could stuff their pockets at the expense of sometimes faily inocent people.

My story goes on in how I was "railroaded" by my own public defenders.What are you doing for help and who have you contacted about this crooked corupt redneck town?

I have been abroad for 6 years now unable and unwilling to go anywhere near the states.    M



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What ever Happened To The American Dream?

 By: Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

     Whatever happened to the American Dream? 

     Whatever happened to the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave?

     Whatever happened to the Land of Prosperity, the Envy of Other Nations?

     Whatever happened to swift and certain Justice?

     Whatever happened to us, America?

     Foreign Bankers, IMF, Federal Reserve, IRS, Unconstitutional Non-Article III Administrative Maritime Courts --  THAT'S WHAT!!

      From the most powerful nation in the world, America has slid to the biggest debtor nation in the world.  Its broken-spirited people now grovel in fear at the feet of their servant government which has incrementally sold them into slavery to foreign bankers/investors via the treasonous actions of their elected Legislators, who no longer look at every man, woman and child, as Sovereign People, Sons and Daughters of God, and their Master/Employer, but as lowly commercial commodities, Human Resources, slaves, to be used, abused, and cast aside when they are worn out and considered "Useless Eaters.".

      This devolving transition from the powerful to the powerless has been accomplished through decades of runaway over-spending, unnecessary wars to kick up the National Debt, destruction of its manufacturing and labor base, the selling of our natural resources,  and a never-ending daily, media stream of reinforced mind control, all by those elected leaders who have sold their souls, their votes, to the highest bidder.

     Ed and Elaine Brown, husband and wife, two senior citizens, two Sovereign Children of God KNOW what happened to America.  They epitomize the lost spirit of America once known as the "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave"   They would not consider themselves Brave, merely reasonable people who have seen the deterioration of American Life, and will no longer support it with either their money or their vote.  They know their Status, Spiritual and legal.  They are True Patriots in the deepest sense of the word.  They stand tall, alone, and with full Trust in God and their God-given integrity within.

     How long has it been now since the Bogus Satanic Courts have sentenced both to more than 5 years in prison for a law that even the courts cannot produce?

    What happens when swift and certain justice of a Godly System, one of Spiritual Law, Common Law, Constitutional Law morphs into an ungodly force of Tyrants who no longer care that the world sees them operating openly with their true agenda of cunning, deception, endless conniving, exponential growth in incarcerating its populace and ultimately, quick administration of its lethal and Satanic final solution, that of population control -- extermination of large masses of Useless Eaters.

    What most don't understand that Ed and Elaine Brown acutely  understand, along with a few others such as myself, Raymond karczewski, Bill Cooper, Mark Koernke, and Irwin Schiff is that our present government is a Satanic sham.  It will never bring peace to America.  It will only wreak tyranny, exploitation, death and destruction until it too is destroyed and is assimilated into the actual Satanic "old world order" donning its new image of a cashless, Central Banking, ID chipped populace, surveillance camera-controlled NEW WORLD ORDER. 

    There is a price to pay for those of the Spirit of William Cooper.  The government assassinated him under stealth conditions.  No uniforms, no warrants, just a vicious and insidious act of drawing him out of his home to investigate a disturbance on his property and SHOOTING HIM DEAD.

    Mark Koernke paid the price of his patriot leadership in awakening the People of Michigan by being set up by the police on a phony bank robbery charge wherein he was sentenced to a prison term because of his successful spokesmanship of the Militia movement. He, the breadwinner, spent years away from his family.  He was recently released from prison and has returned to his family.

     Swift and certain justice?   Another example of its Satanic opposite can be seen in WACO Texas, where government law enforcement never walked in with a warrant and served it as the law demands. Instead they wanted to show the American People what will befall them in the future NEW WORLD SOCIETY should they, like the Branch Davidians claim their God--given Sovereignty, as Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Men, Women, and Children, as superior to the Fictional Court whose only jurisdiction lies in its exercise over other FICTIONAL PERSONS. 

    No, a brutal and life-long lasting impression of Government Tyranny had to be broadcast on mainstream media for an extended period of days while government mobilized assault teams consisting of  military, numerous publicly supported alphabet federal agencies, tanks, flame throwers, scores of marksmen armed with rifles and automatic assault weapons to deal with innocent Sovereign People who just wanted to live in peace and live their faith.

   Then you have the tragedy of Randy Weaver and his family at Ruby Ridge, Idaho.  A mother, Vicky Weaver, unarmed, holding her infant child in her protective arms was shot dead by a government sniper.  It didn't matter that Randy Weaver was exonerated at Trial and the Government settled financially with him for his losses.  It was the spectacle of LETHAL FORCE that had to be drummed into the minds of the spectators watching it all unfold on TV.

    In my case, there was nothing so dramatic.  When I experienced the tyranny of my Unalienable Right to Liberty being infringed upon, when I was robbed, kidnapped at gunpoint and held hostage for the assumed crimes of a fiction, I merely  resolved in that moment to HOLD MY PUBLIC OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE for their crimes and misconduct for however long it took, or whatever the consequences might be. Such actions included two combined hunger strikes spanning 55 days, which brought me to the brink of Death.

     I was not living in NAZI Germany.  Southern Oregon was not MOTHER RUSSIA.  Their actions WOULD NOT STAND!!

     When I used the same Legal Procedures of UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) the government and IRS routinely uses and followed the Government's own specific rules to the "T" , I discovered that what is legal for them to use is deemed by them to be a criminal act condemned by government as an act of "Paper Terrorism," all under the umbrella of the phony "Patriot Act" designed to enslave the American People should a natural man of the Sovereign People use it to hold his public officials privately responsible for their acts.

      Such approach removes the haughtiness of public officials who sneer at their constituents with their public blanket immunity for their unlawful acts while committed in public office.  They are personally trembling with fear, they are walking on eggs at the prospect of being privately held responsible for their actions, while they hunker down behind their bureacratic built STONE WALL OF SILENCE.

     After threatening me with 35 years in prison for my actions, a life sentence for a man of 65 at the time, most of the time spent in my 128 days of being held a hostage awaiting two faux court trials, the Courts and Prosecutor were challenged 22 times to prove JURISDICTION over this NON-FICTIONAL Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, natural Man in writing, as the Law of the Land demands --- AND THEY REFUSED!!. 

    They THREW ME OUT OF THEIR JAIL.  I have not heard a peep from them since that day they threw one near death out at the curb of the local hospital's emergency room and said I WAS ON MY OWN.

    EACH AND EVERY TIME, THE COURT, PROSECUTION AND EVERY OTHER AGENT FOR THE STATE OF OREGON AND COUNTY OF JOSEPHINE I HAVE CONTACTED, THEY  HAVE REFUSED TO RESPOND TO SUCH QUESTIONS UNDER OATH OR AFFIDAVIT, LO THESE 5 YEARS NOW.  http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch91.html#AMERICA

     Were they to do so, the Satanic Spell woven over the minds of the gullible sheeple WOULD BE BROKEN.  The SCAM government has perpetrated upon their Sovereign Masters would be exposed, and the PHARISEES of yesteryear, the JUDGES of today, would reveal their Truth Satanic nature to the people they seek to enslave with their "high-sounding" positive imagery which cloaks their ungodly agenda..

     The Corporate STATE OF OREGON and COUNTY OF JOSEPHINE, OREGON now stand in Commercial Judgment of $27,180,000.00  (Twenty Seven million, One Hundred and Eighty Thousand Dollars), http://www.arkenterprises.com/tortjoco.html

     I  have continued engaging in the same acts TODAY for which I was falsely kidnapped and jailed as a "Paper Terrorist";  i.e., Simulation of Legal Process in 2002..

 .  I still travel in my private automobiles with no State License Plates on either auto.

     The State of OREGON Department of Motor Vehicles has stopped sending license and registration renewals for the two privately owned automobiles.

     I have no Driver License.   I do not need to seek permission of the State for me to travel.  I have a God-given, unalienable Right to Liberty, which includes the Right to Travel.

    The State, through its phony convictions, claim that I am a Felon.  Yet the police did not take my guns, when they kidnapped me from my home, and THEY WILL NOT COME TO TAKE THEM TODAY, now that their bluff was called and they had thrown me out of their jail.  Does that not tell you that a "House of Cards" built on a foundation of shifting sand is destined to fall?

    I have served papers on OREGON'S Governor and Attorney General, They were the same actions that were called crimes in 2002, but seeming are not perceived by government as crimes in 2007.  Why?  Because if they came to arrest me now for these same phony charges, they would have to answer the questions of Jurisdiction under oath or affidavit.

    Ed and Elaine Brown were sentenced more than a week ago.  Yet they are still at home, a Free Man and his Free Wife who know who they are, and their relationship with an errant government which tyrannizes its citizens. With each passing day that the government law enforcement agents DO NOT MOVE on arresting the Brown's, the government's sham tyrannical authority against a Man and Woman of the Sovereign people is exposed for what it is, and the American People SEE who the TRUE MASTERS OF OUR WORLD ARE --  The Browns, You, I and all others who possess the Spiritual Eyes to See and Ears to Hear. 

  The Brown's  have set the momentum for freedom loving Americans to take.  DO NOT RESIST EVIL -- BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT IT!!

                     
                                             Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ


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Is Purple Shroud of Karma, ART BELL???

Shaun,

    Since the disinformation agent "purple shroud of karma" is making a point to schmooze you and impress you with all of his keeping of your forum rules (chadwick stone used the same tactic in other forums early on) I thought I'd give you a peek into the man you are dealing with.  Here is a cursory Google check:  (I didn't think a thorough check was necessary to make the obvious point.)

Results 1 - 100 of about 44,300 for purple shroud karma.

purpleshroudofkarma@gmail.com
Purple Shroud of Karma kabatxinio@gmail.com
Purple Shroud of Karma <artbell@aol.com>

Three separate email addresses. (only as far as I needed to go)  Note address #3.  Is purple shroud of karma actually the Radio Talk Show Art Bell, or is he an impostor, forging bells name to his email address? 

I have already gone into detail exposing the media campaign to smear my name and reputation by David Masters, son of Roy Masters See:
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch125.html#Media   and
http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch210.html#Wolves

The Art Bell Show, Coast to Coast, Mike Savage, and other mainstream talk show was owned by Premiere Broadcasting Network, a network which arose from the Roy Master's Southern Oregon  Radio Station KOPE-FM, Members of the Masters Family have been in executive-control positions of Premiere since..

My demand for an FBI Investigation back in 1997, (which has been stonewalled ever since) would have revealed the connections to such links to broadcasting and Intelligence Community ties which operate with open ties to the Intelligence Community.  Anyone paying attention to Art Bell in his heyday would have picked up on the repeated round robin parade of guests as acknowledged, admitted CIA and other Intelligence assets, past and present.

My question of you "Purple Shroud of Karma" is:  ARE YOU IN FACT THE ART BELL?  Are you a government SPOOK?

If you are not art bell, does that not stand as proof that you are a deceiving disinformation agent, a government spook, whose agenda is to wreak confusion and misdirect serious dialogue away from occuring on USENET and FORUMS?

                  Raymond Ronald Karczewski©



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Some Comments made by recent government/media infiltrators on this forum: Be aware, the enemy is amongst you!

Raymond Karczewski
4.226.24.57 wrote:

Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:26 pm

Some Comments made by recent government/media infiltrators on this forum: Be aware, the enemy is amongst you!

rk: Attention: Subscribers to MakeTheStand Forum and OCRT Forum, let us CUT TO THE CHASE shall we? We can drag out the inevitable exposure of government/media disinformation amongst us slowly and incrementally by being caught up in the trap civilized pitty-pat with hypocritical language, or we can shine the Light of Truth upon those whose profession is deception.

rk: Here is a recent Sampling of the attacks endured over the last decade. These are actual quotes made by recent government sponsored/supported disinformation agents who have infiltrated your forum. Some are now gone, thanks to an alert moderator, however some are still here and are working the crowd with their smooth, slick, syrupy approach.. Be Aware, the enemy to freedom and Sovereingty moves amongst you... Without such guttersnipes, the government's actual mind control and fear campaigns would not work. It's all an ILLUSION! == PAY ATTENTION Ray


Woke anyone up lately? Other than your gagging corpsewife who must toil, even in the face of a lingering death, to fill your gluttonous belly. One serious problem could be solved right now if you would allow your gagging corpse-wife to taxi you to the nuthatch in Salem.

The government isn't required to answer any questions you ask. You are no one, you are a mere criminal who has no rights, a convict who has a thick resume of k0oK awards. Small number you are disregarded every time you start yapping.

Your legal machinations are what caused you to be imprisoned, convict, your uneducated whimpering about jurisdiction got no play with the courts then and it gets none now.

If you can prove libel, SUE, you stoopid, lazy-ass mother ...er. SUE US (tinu)!!!

Sure it is. And while you are being all non-violent, they (tint) will violently kill your dog ass. I'd pay to watch.

Kazoo is a mentally ill ex-San Fran cop whose career suddenly ended after eight dismal years. The internet is abound with rumors that attempt to cut through the shroud of mystery that Rayism attempts to use to cloud the issue. I suggest you google for "shot a mannequin" to see one possibility that has been haunting Ray for years.

Have fun in prison, convict.
P.S. We are all Chadwick Stone!
Where is your proof, felon? Of course, you being the gormless, ...- knuckled, shit-licking, libelous, bastard fool that you are, you probably believe that your being a gormless, ...-knuckled, shit-licking, libelous bastard fool is evidence of something other than your being a gormless, ...-knuckled, shit-licking, libelous bastard fool. I'll tell you what, fatso, prove your lie or shove it up your big fat ass. Your choice, coward. I guess you'll be cashing in your welfare check for some vasoline. We(1) are all Tim Hill(2)
1 - tinw
2 - tinth

Regarding Police Retirement Pension:
You are by definition, unemployed.
You did not complete a full career in public service.
You rely on a monthly government check to survive.
Those three facts together are inarguable and not in dispute. Taken
together, they prove you are a welfare case.

Perhaps, had you not been such a cowboy with your six-shooter, the Chief might not have had to pressure you to quit and you wouldn't have had to start whining about an aching back for fear of having no income to fund your donut habit.

Cowardly evasion noted. You DO NOT boycott government because you accept a GOVERNMENT CHECK. You're a liar, a hypocrite, and a cowardly misdirector for not dealing with that salient point.

Futher cowardly bluster attempting to misdirect away from the glaring fact that you DO NOT boycott government because you accept a GOVERNMENT CHECK.

Regarding Amazon.com book reviews Prove that the all of the reviews that hold your leaflet in a poor light are fake, convict.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Watch the seething convict simmer as he gets his ass kicked in strange and new places on the Internet.

Sounds like your wife is as ...ing insane as you are, or a masochist who likes the stress and worry when her marble deficient husband spends time in jail for yet another pointless, easily avoidable, self-inflicted reason.

Some Comments made by recent government/media infiltrators on this forum: Be aware, the enemy is amongst you!

Poor poor you. What a crybaby you are. It's about time for Anita-X to get the crane, hoist your ass up into the air, dawn a gas mask, and change your diaper, is it not? Is that why you're so noisy? It's time for you to be changed?

I reckon the cacky-fingered witch never lifted a brittle boned digit to pen the responses supposedly uttered in her name.

Raymond,

I have been discussing the terms of your treatment with the staff psychiatrist at Salem, he assures me that if you just give the medication a few more weeks, you will stop hearing voices. It's understandable that someone as ill as you went untreated for so long, that your illness was allowed to progress to almost terminal insanity, but soon you will be well on your road to recovery and perhaps I can help you get a job at the local janitorial service. Please contact me via email if I can be of further assistance to you.

Are orderlies from Oregon State Hospital massing outside of your trailer, diguising themselves as road repair workers? Hoisting your ass off to Salem for committment is the extent of the BACKLASH you predict, convict... unless you plan to COMMIT SUICIDE BY COP... COMMIT SUICIDE BY COP... COMMIT SUICIDE BY COP...

Pleace to be citing the law which prohibits laughing at you, convict. I've been holding up for TEN LONG YEARS, convict. Still living in a nice home, still driving a nice car, still enjoying a wonderful family, still laughing at your empty threats to take it all away.

Thus your venomous attack against your mother, all while using your gagging wife as a corpsepuppet.

That would be me, a duly appointed representative of Government/Media. I pull the puppetstrings, I make the courts spnak you, I convince forum moderators to ban you. You are my property and my bitch.

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Reaction of a Sane Man to What Appears to be Normal to the Insane.

By: Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

NOTE:  My reason for posting this on my usual Usenet newsgroups is to show to the dulled-down newsgroup contributors,  the instant reaction of a sane man, a forum moderator who still retains his God Given spiritual discernment when he observes what is accepted as normal Satanic daily fare by a disinformation-ruled, dumbed-down, preyed-upon, enslaved, hypnotized populace. 

The Satanic Illusion which binds them to their collective slavery via thought control has stripped away their once possessed humanity, their sensitivity, their love.  All that is left are the vicious, guttersniping,  lifeless shells of conditioned zombies who were once "Living men," but now shuffle along in despair awaiting their certain  annihilation.
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Shaun
Site Admin replies to  "Some Comments made by recent government/media infiltrators on this forum: Be aware, the enemy is amongst you! " http://www.makethestand.com/ftopict-69.html

Thu May 03, 2007 4:25 pm    
And I thought I've seen some pretty bad stuff on the net. I don't hang out in newsgroups at all, but that stuff is just horrible. I don't see how it could get any worse.

I think it should be very evident that there's a REASON why people are doing this to you. Normal people who have lives don't waste their time doing this kind of crap. You're definitely being attacked for a reason, and it only gives credit to what you're doing. So keep up the good work, and keep exposing these guys for what they are.

I'm sorry you have to go through it, but that's the price of truth, isn't it? People don't want to hear the truth, so they will attack. Other people don't want the truth to be told, so they will have others attack.

Only a person who is very lost, feels very badly about themselves, and who needs much help could do this to another person. Perhaps getting a pay check has something to do with some of these cases as well.



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Re:  Reaction of a Sane Man to What Appears to be Normal to the Insane.

Randy  wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:
   
Fri May 04, 2007 7:23 am    

r:  >  Unbelievable.....simply unbelievable.

rk:  It is unbelievable, isn't it?  What is more unbelievable, Randy, is the silence of the internet using public who remain inert in the face of such despicable behavior.  This has been going on for 11 years.  I felt by now they could see the true makeup of cowardly bullies and how truly impotent they are.  No such luck so far.  However, people are "slowly" awakening to it. 

rk:   You see it.  Shaun sees it.  Each of you have spoken out.  Perhaps the silent majority will find their backbone and act as you and Shaun have acted.  This is the disability on the microcosmic scale that afflicts the courage quotient of Americans on the macrocosmic scale.

r:  >   Who needs to go to the nut farm? Certainly not you Ray. Who the hell are these guys?

rk:  Some are paid government/media sponsored/supported disinformation agents turned loose like mad dogs on the American public.  Some are unpaid wannabees, All are vicious, guttersniping, debased human beings.

r:  >  Are they making these comments directly from their padded rooms at the asylum using a stylus in their mouths to tap the keyboard?

rk:   They certainly don't live in my world, the world of a Sovereign, sane, aware man of the People.  They're the bottom of the barrel, government hired guns, frothing rabid dogs.

r:  >  I think it's time for their medication, again, or maybe they should be taken off of it.

rk:  They have yet to gain the awareness of how their words strike a sane man, a good man, a man who understands his manhood.  They have been exposed time and again by the Mirror of Truth, yet they are too corrupted in mind and spirit to care.

r:  >  They are obviously the one's who need a good old fashioned spanking by their mommy. Were they raised on paint chips and squirrel guts or something? I can't understand why they don't have anything better to do, something more constructive, something positive.
Shaun is right Ray, keep up the good fight. It's obvious by their reactions that you are "hittin' the spot".

rk:  You bechyur butt I AM.  To all you unaware computer users out there, THIS IS HOW YOUR GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS TO INTIMIDATE YOU IN YOUR HYPNOTIC TRANCE OF FEAR. 

rk:  Your government has been under fire over this disinformation/mind control campaign since my FBI demand for an investigation on Nov 2, 1997   See: http://www.petitiononline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

rk:  Given enough time, all shall awaken to the true enemy of the American People -- ITS OWN GOVERNMENT!!

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r:  >   "In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." ~Mark Twain~

                   Raymond Ronald Karczewski©


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Rick Stanley and His Battle with the Courts of Mammon.

Rick,

      I am truly sorry to hear about your recent arrest and incarceration.

     Rick, in the past, you have written me off as some kind of kook because of my unorthodox use of the word "Christ."  You didn't realize that my intent was to break the back of the Satanic Conditioning that enslaves millions throughout the civlized world through a Satanic Myth.  You didn't understand me then; you most likely don't understand me now. 

     You are my spiritual Brother, but we stand in vastly different venues; one Spiritual, the other Political.  They have led to widely divergent outcomes, have they not?  One path has led to Freedom, the other to continued persecution. 

    The formula for freedom in an unfree society is not to be found at the peripheral intellectual level of political strategy, but in deep, abiding Faith in Divine Intelligence which guides the actions of the Spiritually Sighted as they walk through and face the temptations of life. 

      Rick, you still are caught up with your life-long political and religious mind conditioning, and THAT IS ALL THE HOOK THEY NEED TO REEL YOU IN.

      You have played and are still playing by their rules.  Once in, you're in. You tried to play the lawyer game, their game, the game wherein they make the rules.  That was a predictable failure, for those who make the rules win the game. 

    You tried to play the sovereign game, but did not have faith in it.  You stood with one foot in and one foot out of the system.  Can you not see that your outcome is tied to your indecision to realizing who you truly are, a Son of God, or a political fiction.

      Rick, you are dealing with a Satanic Court.  They're prosecuting the Fiction.  You serve as the surety for the debts of the fiction.  That is their hook.  The only thing that will save you is your God-give integrity as a man, not the "fantasy image" of a lemming-like patriot which enthralls other lemming-like fantasy-ruled believers to their destruction.

      There is NO GAME to be played, Rick. This is your life.  Your freedom and the freedom of your wife and loved ones are at stake. 

     Stand in Truth,  Realize that Rick Stanley is above all, a  Son of God, a Sovereign man of the People,  not merely a Political leader with ambitions to change the Satanic World he finds himself in.  Rick, it can't be done that way.  Surrender to the Divine Guidance which is your birthright --  Submit to the Divine Intelligence; i.e., Truth, which no court can strip away nor stand up to. 

     That is why the outcomes of our two cases have been so divergent.  I Stood on the Sovereignty issue and NEVER strayed away from it.  It drove them up the wall,  until they THREW ME OUT OF THEIR JAIL.

    Your momentum is the momentum of the average person who has lost his true link with God, but believes that his Satanic ambitious fantasies will save his bacon.  That, Rick, is the formula for martyrdom.

      Ed Brown has it right, but few have the courage to do what he and Elaine are doing.  They have actually and unequivocably turned their back on the system,  and are standing in their rightful place as Sovereign Children of God ( which has nothing to do with the concept of Chistianity). That is where the battle in your case must be waged.

      My take is that it might be too late for that, but your present momentum in relying upon an organized group of people to stand up for each other has already shown itself to be the failure that it is.

                          God be with You

         Raymond Ronald Karczewski©-- A Living Christ


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A Christ Is Invited to Join a Christian Group

Hello to Everyone,

     I was invited via email to join this newsgroup, the reason for which still eludes me.  This is my first article.  It remains to be seen whether it shall be my last.

     As you will come to see, I am different from each of you.  In some ways grossly different, in most way subtlely different. 

     Since this is a Christian group, what I say may shock you to the very core of your being, for a Christian mindset is no different from any other psychological mind-controlling mindset, be it political or religious. It is fragmented, partial, and therefore incomplete, relying upon the psychological trait of "belief" to sustain itself, to feel itself whole when it knows it is not.

    Belief is and always has been, the "Lazy Man's Truth"; that is, it is a dualistic image of a nondualistic essence.  Truth is nondualistic--It Is.  Belief, masquerading as Truth is dualistic, an illusion, a wisp of imagination, a counterfeit of Truth at best.

    Here is where we either connect, or I get my walking papers from this group after only one article.

   Jesus of Nazareth, for most of you being Christians, being your "Lord and Savior" was historically just a simple man of Truth.  He was a Man of Integrity, of Clarity, of decision. He was whole, holistic, holy. He lived, breathed, spoke and acted in Truth, He resonated in Truth.  He said Himself, He was "Truth, Life and The Way."  He used common words that were grasped at the letter of the word level (the satanic conditioning level), but NO ONE of His contemporaries understood Him.  He stood out as being different from any other man of His time.  He Was.  HE WAS TRUTH manifested in a corrupted Satanic ruled, intellectually-conflicted society.  The society of Fallen Man.

    Since Man's Fall from Grace, wherein man descended from his previous abilities to use Direct perception and atonement with nondualistic Truth, the state of Oneness, the State of Love; man, through temptation by his Satanic Intellect, was  brought to his knees  via "self-doubt" and thus was forever thrust into a bottomless pit of dualistic confusion.  Goodbye Paradise.  Hello Hell!!

.  The dualistic (opposing) Intellect has been the source of man's neverending Sin (Contradiction in Essence).  It manifested on the physical plane all of man's suffering, war, and eternal conflict.  In other words, man became "civilized."

    Each of you reading this live in that world, the world structured in thought and confined only to the intellect, singularly or collectively.  You are of it.  You are the co-creators of that world.  Look at the headlines.  How have you done?

    I, Raymond Karczewski, am not like you, as earlier suggested in this article, for I, like Jesus of Nazareth am a simple man of Truth, a Christ!!

    Careful of that instant reaction you just felt. Watch those hackles that are arising.  They are telling you something.  Are you listening, or has your rage shut you down and confined you only to the words heard at the superficial letter level of the word, and not allowed you to hear deeply that which was communicated?

    I don't believe in Myths.  That is for Sheeple in search of a shepherd, a leader.  That is what most of you believe, for by your own admission you are Christians, followers of a Simple man of Truth, a Christ.  That blind belief, without a scintilla of Spiritual Insight, is the culprit which separates and divides, and is the formula for Hell on Earth when you meet others who hold to a different belief.

    Do you not see you too, each of you, are "potential Christs" but miss the boat because you have been made to doubt yourself through Satanic Conditioning?  Have you not been made less of the whole human being that you actually are by submission to Authority.  Authority you cannot pinpoint, cannot locate, cannot describe, but only respond to?  Have you not described your own chains of slavery?

     I ask that you listen quietly to the responses which arise in you to the words you see in my articles.  They will either enrage you or awaken you.  Pay particular attention to the Spirit of the word, the deep essence of that which is conveyed, for therein lies Divine Essence -- Truth.

    Someone new has stepped into your midst.  He brings you face to face with your own level of Consciousness, Introduces you for the first time to yourselves.   How will you receive it?  As a blessing or a Curse?

    We, you and I, can stop this Satanic NEW WORLD ORDER NONSENSE in a blink of an eye.  You are not what you think you are.  Jesus understood It.  I understand it.  It remains for each of you to drop this lemming producing Lord and Savior nonsense, and be a FREE, INTELLIGENT, LIVING, BREATHING, FLESH-AND-BLOOD, SENTIENT, NATURAL MAN OR WOMAN, SON OR DAUGHTER OF INFINITE INTELLIGENCE, GOD, STANDING WHOLE, ERECT, IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH!

   I invite each of you to visit my website at http://www.arkenterprises.com and pay attention to the direction that Ed and Elaine Brown of New Hampshire have taken when it comes to dealing with an errant, tyrannical government.  They understand who they are.  They understand the Government Works for them, and they are not the Slave of any man or Institution.,  They are a simple man and woman of Truth.  They Are Christs.

              Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ


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A Divine Conundrum:   God Bless the Fighters for Freedom, Liberty and Justice --  Or God Bless the Meek Who Shall Inherit the Earth.

Rick Stanley  rick@stanley2002.org  wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote.

rs:  >  STANLEY NOTE:  Thank you for the note Ray.  I understand you Ray, always did.  I don't care for your use of the word "Christ" as it relates to man, however, I understand your usage.  I don't think you are a kook.  I think you are misunderstood based upon your message, which does not resonate with people, based upon the "christ" moniker you wish to bestow upon man..  Your choice.

rk:  Rick, you hit upon the point exactly.  Truth does not RESONATE with Satanic mind-controlled subjects.  That is the trance that binds them.  Truth starved believers would rather crucify their "Lord and Savior" than be exposed to their Satanic Conditioning.  Ever hear the phrase "Give Us Barabbas"?

rs:  >  Regarding whether or not I follow your advice or not, is my business of course.

rk:  I don't recall offering any advice to you.  I merely stated Truth which can be realized or not.

rs:  >  I have been dealing with "my problem" with the government, as one who must, not only for himself, his family, but the American people as well. 

rk:  As any man with integrity would.

rs:  >  That you do not care for my methods, is fine. 

rk:  All methodology is Satanic in its dualistic -opposing nature - All.  A man of Truth does not interfere with another's free will.  I have not condemned your actions, I have merely pointed out you are playing THE SATANIC GAME WITH THEIR RULES.

rs:  >   I never sought out your approval. 

rk:  Nor did you need my approval to act in your behalf.  I am not a leader, I am merely a Christ, a simple man of Truth.

rs:  >    My methods are geared to "show Amerika" what is going on in the POLICE STATE OF AMERIKA... I have unfortunately, shown Amerika only too well, to my own detriment.

rk:  Is anyone paying attention, aside from your wife, a few friends etc.?

rs: >    As someone put it to me recently, it isn't over till the fat lady sings.  I will continue to fight in their courts.  It is the right thing to do.  It "exposes" them.  I have been exposing them for 6 years, at great personal cost.  I have borne that cost to date.

rk:  Yes, you have, and valiantly at that; but quite frankly, right about now you are sounding WORN OUT!!.

rs:  >   I ask nothing from you, or anyone else. 

rk:  Support would be good, would it not?

rs:  >  Those who wished to help, have done so.  There were very few.  I have thanked those who did.  That I am fighting now for my own life and persuit of happiness, is ironic now.  No one can help me now except those who have control of the system, if the Lord Yahweh decides to loosen the hardness of their hearts. 

rk:  Rick, that is the greatest lesson you have taught onlookers, that one man can stand up to the Satanic Forces which dominate the American Judicial System.  But do not expect help to come from those who control the system.  They're Satanists to the bone. They're out to destroy you.

rk:  I hope you have learned the lesson of the futility of organizational support.  That too is Satanic and subject to the whims of the power brokers who exercise mind control over gullible munchkins.

rs:  >   Your commentary that the "system" is satanic is right on.  I am pleased you have understood that the "system itself is satanic".  I have known that for many years, since shortly after I became involved in fighting for our God given, natural, unalienable, constitutionally protected and guaranteed rights.

rk:  On that, you and I are clear.

rs:  >   That concept is foreign to many in America now.  That I would stand up on the merits of that platform bothers everyone it seems, including you.

rk:  That surprises me that you believe the exposure of the Satanic System of Civilized life would bother me.  Has that not been the core of my writings on the internet for the last decade?

rs:  >   I upset the government, I upset the patriot community who is divided upon how to combat the tyranny in this country today, and I upset my family.  That is my lot.  I believe that "my Lord, my God", Yahweh, would have me do this.  I have been given strength of purpose and resolve to see this through.  Many have told me that I seem to have the patience of Job, in dealing with these attacks upon me.  Many have said they would have reacted violently to defend themselves, against the tyranny perpetuated against me, including one of my lawyers this past 6 years.  I have not reacted violently, not even once.   I have never been that patient, and yet I have been patient in the face of this adversity, to show others that we must remain committed to the principles of liberty, which is the basis of Yahwehs gift to mankind, the gift of free will, to decide for ourselves our fate of either liberty, or slavery.   There are many forms of slavery.  Those who believe in the gift of Jesus Christ and his death for our sins on the cross over 2,000 years ago will understand what I am saying, and those who do not, will remain in the dark.   I believe that is why I have been selected by Yahweh to stand up to this criminality on the part of government.  I have been given guidance by Yahweh.

rk:  It has never been your core of Integrity that I have questioned.  It has only been your reactionary resistance to the government which itself is a Satanic Trap.  You would Fight for Peace, a contradiction in essence if there ever was one.  I would BOYCOTT BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT for Peace, a divine demonstration of Resist Not Evil.

rk:  On an individual level, I used that Divine Tactic of BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT to face the full power of the Courts of Oregon and Josephine County, and they could not stand against a simple man who stood alone in the light of Truth and  demanded they prove jurisdiction.

rs:  >    You call it martyrdom.  I call it a blessing bestowed by my God.   I call it my duty as a man, who has sworn an oath to defend the constitution, which is a guide for liberty in this country, and I believe that I have been summoned by that higher power to stand up for liberty.

rk:  But do you have the cajones to stand up to them and not fight, but challenge them nevertheless to prove to you that they are your master and not your servant.  Quite a different level of consciousness, is it not?

rs:  >   Very few can understand that a higher power might be involved.  Everyone is looking for a quick fix to the tyranny.  It doesn't exist, quite simply, because of the satanic system that has been put into place.  Evil must have light shined upon it.  That is apparently my place in this whole fight for liberty, to shine a light on the injustice, the system of criminality, the fraud, lies and deception of the illusions supplied to America by the Controllers of this land.   I will continue to fight this tyranny in the courts, whether I am imprisoned, or not.  I do not expect any group effort to help me, as very few really care, as it doesn't affect them directly. 

rk:  You have learned a great deal about the illusions which have  ruled you prior to your test, have you not?  Your belief in organizational power to fight against tyranny has gone south, has it not?  It has left you, as it does with all men who are faced with their "moment of Truth."  Congratulations.

rs:  >   There can never be any sustained effort by the patriot community to bother to help me, because of  the many divergent efforts without unity.  

rk:  It took a while for you to discover the Satanic make-up of all organizations based in Intellectual thought, including your own attempts at building coalitions.

rk:  Your stand has morphed from a political one to a spiritual one, and you find yourself alone in the process.  That is the crucible in which the dross of rick stanley shall be burnt away and the true Spirit is revealed.  Until then, the usual smoke and mirrors used by activists are the artifices of the politician and the pretender playing their respective roles in a scripted satanic conflict.

rs:  > The patriot community is fractured and I have challenged too many inside that community over the years, as paper patriots with no real conviction. As I said, I upset many with my stances.  However, I do make people think. Perhaps one day, people will end the tyranny in this country after shedding the illusions of freedom and liberty that have been provided by the "system".  If it takes another patriot for liberty to be imprisoned, than that is what will be. However, I will fight it legally, lawfully, right up until the end.

rk:  Rick, you cannot fight it both legally and lawfully for they are two quite divergent venues which share nothing in common.  You have been convicted legally, but not by a lawful court, for you failed early on to challenge the administrative courts, and thus you consciously or unwittingly granted the Administrative Courts jurisdiction over you.  You have since learned that you could not have it both ways.  A tough lesson to learn.

rs:  >   I have been doing so for 6 years now.  They keep telling me how dangerous I am, a danger to the community, and yet for 52 years of my life I have been a peaceful man.  They tell me that I am a flight risk and yet, I have stayed here and fought their dishonest, unlawful, unconstitutional charges since day one in the courts, as a peaceful man would.

rk:  Rick, have you paid attention to Ed and Elaine Brown of New Hampshire.  They know the Way.  They don't talk about it.  They are it. They are Sovereign and the fictional court which convicted their fictional "juristic persons" understands that its unlawful, Unconstitutional directives are null and void and do not carry with them any force of law.  Its ruling have no bearing on these two Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Children of God, for they are subject only to God's law, not the law of Mammon.

rk:  There is absolute clarity in such a position.  Such clarity does not resonate in your position.  Do you see it??

rs:  >  It is no secret that I believe the unintended consequences of the governments actions will one day result in a revolution for liberty.

rk:  And the Satanic New World Order agenda shall be fulfilled with the mass destruction of millions of what they call "useless eaters."  That was the direction which you were heading.  I do not gather that you are continuing in that same direction after all of your many  disillusionments with petty "talk about" patriots who talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk.  They are too frightened even to do NOTHING,  for is that not what BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT is?  Complete withdrawal of support, financial and otherwise?  That is the peaceful act of non resistance that even a quadroplegic can participate in, yet all these able bodied men who posture and boast cannot bring themselves to carry out such a simple act.

rs:  >   It is no secret that I will not be on the side of the government that is outside the authority of the constitution and has overthrown our nation from within.   That day may not come in my lifetime.   However, it is inevitible.  Tyranny will only be tolerated by the people for so long. 

rk:  And then they kill each other.  They have not even learned that simple lesson offered them since the beginning of time.  Pretty Dumb, Huh!?

rs:  The people are waking up and seeing past the illusions that have been provided by that "satanic system" they have erected outside of the Constitution. 

rk:  And then what?!!  They still have to act, don't they?  Yet history shows they have not acted in a wise and timely fashion to free themselves from wars and mutual destruction since the Beginning of Time.  That's SATANIC MIND CONTROL IN A NUTSHELL.

rs:  >  My hope is what it has always been, that Constitutional rule of law will once again be restored in this country and liberty will prevail.

rk:  You shift your faith from Jesus, Yeshua, Yahweh, etc, to the Constitution.  You put your faith in one form of savior or another, That, my brother, is your mistake.  Peace on earth shall come only when there lies peace within the heart of the individual.  When vast numbers of peaceful individuals can stand shoulder to shoulder, the peace within them is the same peace that is within their neighbor.  That is the energy of Love. That is when wars end on this earth. That is when the Meek are the only ones left, as those who would live by the sword have already died by the sword.  That is the Christ State of Consciousness.

rs:  >   If the tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of tyrants and patritos as Thomas Jefferson said so laong ago, then that will be as well, if it is required.

rk:  Hell, why don't you just slit your wrists and bleed on your local tree.  See if that helps.

rs:  >  People like me have given NOTICE to the government of their crimes against the people.  For that, people like me have been attacked by the force of guns, the force of the power of the people, being used unconstitutionally and unlawfully against me. 

rk:  Rick, stand in the full light of Truth of God  and you shall be protected.  As I said earlier, you've got one foot in and one foot out of the system, and the system is pulling on both legs waiting to see if their "wish" comes true.  Not a good position to be in, is it?

rs:  >  The government considers my words "dangerous" and "threats of violence", when the only danger is to their system, which will eventually fall from it's own weight one day.  Shining light on that system will cause it to fall.  As I have said many times, the only violence is being perpetuated by the government by force against the people, outside of their authority in the Constitutions, both state and federal.  That the government considers the Constitutions, just a "piece of paper" to get past and around,  is the root cause of all the "systemic" aggression against the people, by the very same government that has been charged to protect the rights of the people.

rk:  Hell, Rick, it's all SATANIC thought, one faction playing off another in a power struggle.  Don't you get it yet?  Do not put yourself in the position of the Blind leading the blind.

rs:  >  That is why the Oath of Office is such an important issue to this country.  That the courts consider their duty to be a technicality that they can ignore, is indicative of the criminality they have perpetuated against the people.

rk:  Nothing is more important to the People of America than to understand their own SOVEREIGNTY, their own status as Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient Natural men and women, Children of God and not the fictional juristic person, the only person the Fiction Courts have jurisdiction over.. The American public is confused, angry and aggressive over the Scam of jurisdiction pulled on them by their Pharisitical Judges.  It breeds violence at every turn.  Everyone wants to shoot everyone else and they don't even know why.  That's not Patriotic, THAT'S DUMB!!!

rs: > The recent Colorado Court of Appeals decision upholding my conviction is another example of the light being shone upon the evil in the minds of certain judges in the "system".  Every decision creates a paper trail of the record of evil. Light must be shown upon that evil.  That is what the likes of a Rick Stanley must accomplish.

rk:  May I suggest you contact Ed Brown in New Hampshire.  Perhaps  some of his wisdom will rub off that smudge of disillusionment you are experiencing.

rs:  >  God bless the fighters for freedom, liberty and justice.


Rick Stanley          Raymond Ronald Karczewski©


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Raymond Karczewski and Rick Stanley --The Christ and the Patriot:  A Real Eyeopener

Rick Stanley  rick@stanley2002.org  wrote:
Cc: "TheRevolutionary" <TheRevolutionaryCoalition@yahoogroups.com>

"Raymond Karczewski" <arkent3@earthlink.net>  wrote:

rs:  >  STANLEY NOTE:  You seem to be just like all the rest Ray, "my way or the highway".  You fail to grasp that history has shown many ways to end tyranny, some peaceful, some violent.  It is up to the people in the end.  That tyranny is ended is the issue.

rk:  Now you've got my dander up.  Rick, how can you and "millions and millions, nay, billions and billions of people take such pride in being so IGNORANT? 

rk:  Your statement "my way or the highway" tears it up, does it not?  How can any serious dialogue be held with someone who believes in fairy tales, superstitions, myth and illusion?  One who gets his view of life out of books, conjured up by Satanic thought, imagined or otherwise, written about events, spun and colored by the political victors to suit and perpetuate their agenda, and incrementally drummed into (they call it culturization, I call it Satanic Conditioning)  slave-minded peoples who haven't a clue that their own Intellect is the master and co-creator of Hell on Earth.  How, can such low level of intelligence be lifted?  How???  Rick, it's time to take off the gloves. 

rs:  >   How the people then respond to the challenge of building a country that supports liberty is the real challenge.

rk:  Challenge, hell, They're told what to do, where to do it, how to do it, and when to do it by their Slave Masters.  They just "follow orders" or "are doing their job"  NUREMBURG TRIALS shows us that.  Have you learned that lesson?  Has anybody learned that lesson?  Rick Stanley, you can't be THAT BLIND!!

rs:  >   Man has failed miserably at that.  That is where satan has had his way.  Satan has not had his way forever.  In fact, tyranny always falls.  As I said, the people always have failed "in the end" to keep "liberty", as well, and the cycle renews.

rk:  Rick, you seem to be UNAWARE of your own words.  The concept of winning and losing, winning and losing, winning and losing  is the eternal Sandbox game of misdirection which allows the Satanic controllers to NEVER lose their vice-held grip over their mind-controlled subjects who are kept dumbed down and ignorant, prevented from ever learning who they Truly are.  Through organized media, they control the airwaves, they control the TV, they control the radio and through moment-to-moment, reinforced conditionings they succeed in keeping the people in Satanic bondage from the cradle to the grave.   Surely, you are not that blind, are you Rick?

rs: >  You would fault man for this.  God has said this is the way it would be.

rk:  How in the hell do you know what God said?  Could it be the mindcontrolling priests and clergy at church?  The slick, manipulative, emotionally preying evangelists on TV?  Or did you get it straight from GOD to RICK?  How was it spoken to you?  If you and people like you don't understand the simple words of a Simple man of Truth, A Christ, how in the hell are you able to discern and understand the words of God?   Could it be psychosis?  Schizophrenia? A drug-induced illusion?  An emotionally destroyed child or adult unable to cope with normal society?  See what I mean, Rick, about living in an insanity ruled Satanic based Society?  You and millions of others have stepped into the world of BASSACKWARDS where opposition and confusion reigns supreme.  It is a topsy-turvy world where the mind controllers make you doubt yourself when you see the insanity of living in such a society and yet you call it NORMAL. 

rs:  > Man cannot make it right without God.  I have known this.  God told us this.

rk:  God Told US???   Who's this US you speak of?  When did He tell US?  How did he tell US?  See what I mean, how ignoramuses play the childish game of "Pass it on" without a clue of the Satanic Drivel, they are Passing on to their equally confused neighbors 

rk:  God is Truth.  Do you, Rick Stanley, Live Truth in your every word and action?  Have you surrendered your Satanic dualistic-ruled intellect and will to the Supreme nondualistic Essence that is Truth?  Do you Speak Truth?  Do you Act Truth?  Are you Truth made manifest on Earth, or are you like every other dime-a-dozen hypocrite that believes is such Satanic hogwash, a RAGING HYPOCRITE who says one thing but does another as a matter of daily habit.  Are not such behavior habits, the very essence of Conditioning, Satanic Conditioning?   Are you waking up yet?

rs:  >  However, while we must stand up to evil and overcome it is the way of man, with God's blessing, even though he told us that we would always have strife in this world until HE CHANGED it,

rk:  Rick, you just bought the GREATEST SATANIC LIE EVER SOLD!!

rk:  This world changes when WE change ourselves.  We are our own SAVIORS, not some COCKAMAMIE phantasy/mythical image thrust upon ignorant people through the selling of the BIG LIE, then told often enough UNTIL it is BELIEVED TO BE TRUTH.

rk:  Rick, that is how YOU and millions of other spiritual children have gained your world and spiritual view.  It has been DRUMMED INTO YOU FOR A LIFETIME by political and religious authority.  You and they are UNDER MINDCONTROL, no ifs, ands, or buts about it!  You may as well stick a fork in you'all -- YOU AND THEY ARE DONE!!

rs:  >  based upon the clear cut disobedience in the Garden of Eden by Adam and Eve.  This is man's punishment until Jesus comes to claim his world.

rk:  BS!! pure and simple.  It is when every man claims his rightful heritage in this world, because he UNDERSTANDS who he is and why he is here that the True Status as Sons and Daughters based in Christ Consciousness will reign supreme.  Till then life shall continue as the neverending battle for power between lilliputian intellects looking into a distorted circus mirror.

rs:  >  God gave us free will, to accept his gift and live his pathway.

rk:  And you've "pissed" it away through Blind Belief in Satanic Concepts which has enslaved you and yours, along with millions of others who have remained equally blind to the unfolding Truth which presents itself in every living moment.

rs:  >   I don't recall "boycott" in God's Bible. 

rk:  Why are you hesitant to call your bible by the name as you truly view it -- GOD!?  Is that not the God that speaks to you?  Is that not where you find God's word?  How dumb does one have to be to claim no recollections of the word "boycott"  when his own "Lord and Savior"  spoke repeatedly about "Resist not Evil"?  My intention is not to beat you up.  You have beaten yourself up with your own prideful ignorance.

rs:  > I don't recall being told to lie down and accept slavery in the Bible. 

rk:  Yet you have!!  You and millions of others, have done so, wimpering all the way, have you not?  You are not free.  You are a slave pumping yourself up in between punishments. 

rk:  I am Free!   SATAN swallowed me, and SPAT ME OUT.  Truth is a Poison to the Satanic appetite.  That, Rick, is the Truth.  You are facing more punishment.  They won't come near me, because if they do, they will HAVE TO ANSWER the questions of JURISDICTION over this Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural man of Truth, Son of God, Christ.

rs:  >  God's people will be free and they will endure the problems of life.

rk:  In your dreams, in your dreams.

rs:  >   Our reward is in the next life. 

rk:  As I said, in your dreams, in your dreams. 

rk:  Your Satanic conditioning promises you freedom in the concept of the future, while you remain a stone-cold slave in this lifetime, this moment, NOW!!!  If heaven or hell is ETERNAL, and eternity means forever, without beginning or end, must not you and every other munchkin intellect BE LIVING IN ETERNITY NOW???   See what I mean about IGNORANCE???

rs:  >  However, the "fight for liberty" in this life is still up to us, still for us to deal with the everyday problems of man.

rs:  >  Screw the problems of man, first solve the problems of Rick Stanley, then in your new-gained clarity and peace, speak to others of their problems, but do not interfere with them.  Do no harm.  Just Expose!

rs:  >   It is a fight, wheteher you are willing to understand that or not.  Some things are worth fighting for.  "Fight" has many meanings.

rk:  Yep, but it breaks down to violent opposition, does it not?  How Satanic of you to worship "fighting."

rs:  >   There are varying degrees of fight, some peaceful and some violent.  We are in a peaceful stage of fighting for our liberty. 

rk:  "Peaceful Stage of Fighting"??  Do you ever listen to what you say?  All Sin is "Contradiction in Essence".  It is a departure from nondualistic Truth, a Satanic Act of dualistic opposition. In promoting that statement to other ignorant, gullible, and undiscerning  minds, have you not committed a Sin??

rk:  Don't you guys get it?  Most of you can't take a breath without spewing your contradictions in essence, your sins.  That is the way of the Satanic World.

rs:  >  The intricacies of words seem to cause many people difficulties.  A word like "fight" has now become a dirty word in the programmed minds of Amerika, including yours Ray. 

rk:  No, it hasn't.  Fight is fight, only a word which signifies Satanic Opposition.  Rick, you haven't the wherewithall  to speak for a Christ or put words in his mouth. 

rs:  >  You are programmed as much as anyone.

rk:  Am I now?   Anyone reading this can see, even the blind, that the words used by you and I may well appear to be the Same, but there is a quantum leap in the intelligence behind them.  I need not point to whose words are Intelligent, and whose words are confused, for Truth is always SELF-EVIDENT.

rs:  >   Must be that police officer training in you from long ago.  In your effort to be above the fray Ray, you are no different than the rest of man. 

rk:   My writing on the internet over the last decade, my life as it has been lived, and my stand against the Satanic Courts of Oregon and Josephine County, wherein I have been thrown out their jail while you have been and are still being thrown into their jails would prove otherwise.

rs: >  We are all doomed to failure in the end against evil. 

rk:  Spoken like a defeated slave.  Whom do you intend to lead with that attitude?

rs:  >  The bible told us that.  It is the "fight", the struggle for liberty, the struggle to attain truth and to believe that Jesis Christ is our saviour, and that we must repent and follow his pathway, that is man's lot.  We point to the next life, but we must live out this one first, in as peaceful a way as possible.  Defending one's rights is our way.  An entire nation was founded upon that concept.  That it has been perverted is the nature of satanic forces in the world.  Jesus said to sell your coat and buy a sword.  He said that a strong man's castle would not be violated if defended.  Throughout the old testament God gave his blessing to defending his chosen people and their right to a persuit of happiness.  He protected them. He guided them.  He chastised them.  He gave them divine leadership.  Our personal responsibility to defend ourselves with his blessing is based upon scripture.

rk:  See what I mean about glowing words that mean "buttkiss?"  Here's the long and short of it.  Governments are bullies.  Bullies require bluff to function because most are just plain cowards.  In every school, that I ever attended as a child, I was challenged by the class bully.  The challenge only occured once from that bully.  I never bothered anyone and they never bothered me again.  I have been facing bullies all my life, and I have NEVER backed down from one.  Hence, I LIVE IN PEACE!!

rs:  >  I thank you for your advisements.  There was some nuggets of wisdom.  As always with man, we are imperfect, as are you, as am I.  God bless the fighters for freedom, liberty and justice.  That struggle will continue until Jesus Christ comes to reclaim this earth.

rk:  That's where you and I part company, Rick.  The bully only picks on the fearful, the self-doubter, the "victim-minded".  I am not a victim.  I need no Savior to save my bacon.

rs:  >   Your proclamations will not change that struggle for man's liberty, nor will mine.  Every man must do as his consience dictates. Our forefathers knew this.  They wrote a Constitution that used freedom, liberty and many of the basic teneats of the bible as their guide.

rk:  Nah!  They engaged the BULLY and the BULLY FLED!  Simple as that!

rs:  >   Nothing man does is perfect.  However, America was doomed to this tyranny from the beginning, and God told man this from the beginnig.

rk:  Where did God tell man this?  The Bible?  Do you not see the true scope of Satanic mind Control yet?

rs: >   God gave us commandments.  We have disobeyed God.  The people gave the government the constitution, the boundries that they must obey to have authority to govern.

rk:  A Good Man, a Man of God, A Christ, does not need other men's  rules to live by.  Only Satanists do!!

rs:  >   The government has been disobeying the people by straying from the boundries of the constitution.  The government is not in harmony with the people and our laws for the government set down in the constitution.  It is cut and dried.  You wish to cloud the issue Ray with your writings.

rk:  When your confusion trumps the Clarity of Truth, which you claim "cloud the issue," you know you are living in the Satanic World of BASSACKWARDS, do you not?  You're the one fighting, not me.

rs:  >   You have not swayed me now, nor did you the past 6 years.

rk:  That only points to your level of intelligence, does it not?  Look at your situation.  Look at mine.  It speaks for itself to any intelligence, discerning Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man or Woman, eh?

rs:  > You had your bout with the government and you did your time in their jails.

rk:  On the contrary, my time was spent awaiting Trial.  After their phony Convictions, they THREW ME OUT OF JAIL.  I DID NO TIME!!
NOR DID I DO ANY PROBATION TIME.

rs:  >   You had to endure what God decided you must.  So must I.  Do I sound tired?  Why yes, I am.  Your battle was for months, while mine has been for years.  However, God knew that I could handle it.  He picked me for this purpose.  I had someone mention to me yesterday that they think that perhaps I am the only one who could have withstood this onslought for this great a time without being destroyed completely. 

rk:  Why do you take such pride in such display of ignorance?  Ignoramuses are never heroic, they're just dumb!

rs:  >  That may or may not be true, but God has given me his blessing for strength and conviction to see it through.  However, I am the only one who has focused on these issues of liberty against the evil of the government for this long, in the manner I have been doing so, peacefully through their satanic courts.  Am I losing?  We always lose in their satanic courts.  That was the point.  The fact that the courts are not about justice PROVES that point over and over.  You spent many days in jail as well.   There was a payment made, whether you wish to understand that concept or not.   That you eventually were released is not the issue, or that you think you won, which you do it seems, but that you made the fight for liberty.

rk:  One thing I learned in my boxing days, NEVER ENTER THE RING EXPECTING TO LOSE!

rs:  >   There is nothing else.  It is the fight for liberty, nothing more, nothing less.  Shining the light on tyranny is our lot.  If we fail in this, we are just like the rest of the people who go along to get along, the so called sheep to be shorn.  There is always a price Ray. Don't you dare forget that.  Stop conning people that there is no price for liberty.

rk:  CONNING???  I have previously looked upon you as my Brother.  You have shown that you are not?  Hell, isn't it?


Rick Stanley                 Raymond Ronald Karczewski©



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