I have read 'Sign the "Use of Force in Defense of Liberty" Petition' on http://www.friendsofliberty.com/

There is a better way to insure one's LIBERTY than the taking up of arms.

What is it? ---- Remove the control that an errant government has over the symbol of your life's energy --- your money.

Without your money, parasitical elitists can do NOTHING.

Taking charge of one's own money leads to the recovery of one's full complement of energy. It facilitates the return of one to his holistic state of human sovereignty.

Taking back control of his money is the quickest way for the average man to realize that which all "Spiritually Sighted" fully understand -- in essence "All men are created equal."

Without your money, governments are no longer empowered through your consent to use your own energy (money) against you.

THINK ABOUT IT!!

One path leads to death and destruction, the other to PEACE.

Which path will you take?

I assure you the elitists and International Bankers behind this long laid plan of a New World Order care not a whit about your life or the lives of your family members. One need only see the suffering and deprivations endured by refugees in the aftermath of every war fought on this planet since the earliest of civilizations.

Has civilized man learned anything from these past lessons of history?

In fact, armed revolution plays right into the hands of these parasitical elitists in bringing about massive reduction of life via their existing population control plan.

Sovereign Citizens will stand firm and hold their "government servants" accountable.

Slaves revolt!

See my editorial on " A New Election System: Vote with your Pocketbook!!" on http://www.friendsofliberty.com/082600/rked090100.htm

What was once considered on the Internet as the wild imaginings of a "conspiratorialist" is now well established in the minds of the "politically correct- thinking," conditioned American populace, is it not?

Look at the emergence of the food membership clubs which have sprung up in your local supermarkets.

Subtly, incrementally, yet relentlessly, Americans have been set up to relinquish their freedom, their sovereignty. Even now, when it's momentum is no longer veiled in subtlety, it is just too big of a pill to swallow for the average, "outwardly directed," gullible, intellectually-controlled citizen.

Look at the way U.S. banks are tripping over themselves in a mad rush to GIVE YOU A CREDIT LINE through their credit card systems. Note in the fine print, the usurious percentage rates. Doesn't that raise any "red flags" in your consciousness? Anybody out there ever hear the term "indentured slaves?"

Look also at the shift toward the use of "smart cards" at the checkout counter computers in your local supermarkets and membership discount stores. Next step -- embedded chips?? KNOCK KNOCK -- ANYBODY HOME?

One day a citizen is free, has money in his/her pocket to shop with wherever and for whatever they so desire -- the next day he/she is being excluded from purchasing food because they are not a "member of the club," nor do they possess the "proper" credit card to facilitate their purchase. Farfetched?

Those who make the rules, who control the money and the food chain and its distribution throughout the world, control societies, make no mistake about that. Remove the medium of money from the possession of the populace, replace it with a "highly vulnerable" computerized credit system which is putty in the hands of hackers and/or subject to the whims of computer experts, and you will soon find out who ultimately holds life and death in their hands through a simple keystroke.

One day, apathetic AMERICANS who've sold their freedom for a "mess of pottage," secured only through credit card-controlled supermarket membership clubs, will awaken to find that it could not have happened without their own conditioned SUPPORT.

Did not an Aware Human Being, some 2,000 years ago clearly caution the *unaware* of His time regarding the subtle, gradual, insidious, incremental use of mind control and its effects upon the nondiscerning gullible when He said: "AND IN THE MORNING, IT WILL BE FOUL WEATHER TODAY: FOR THE SKY IS RED AND LOWERING. O YE HYPOCRITES, YE CAN DISCERN THE FACE OF THE SKY; BUT CAN YE NOT DISCERN THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES"? Matthew 16:2-3 Can any *intelligent* person assert that the average, fearful, self-doubting, codependent "sheeple" in search of a "Shepherd" is NOT a controllable IGNORAMUS?

Ray Karczewski

Tuesday, 20-Jun-2000 03:44:27

208.26.131.59 writes:

"Scott Ghelfi" wrote:

sg: > I can't help but notice how similar your beliefs are to Buddhism, Ray. So similar in fact it seems much of it has been taken word-for-word.

rk: My words are my own.

sg: > The rest I can attribute to other source's such as Christian Rationalism, which your offensive rants have seemed strikingly akin to ( although I prefer to read the much kinder and less egoistic teaching of Christian Rationalism ), and from Nietzche, whom shares your cynicism and sharp tongue. You do not share his brilliance, unfortunately.

rk: I have not read Nietzche.

sg:> Let's delve deeper. Text denoted with ">>" is taken directly from your website. We'll take exerpts from your website and compare them to Buddhism, Nietzche and other sources.

rk: Why is your intellect in an "analysis/compare" mode, which is a peripheral Intellectual activity at best? Why not grasp the essence of Truth regardless of who expresses it?

rk: >>Truth is the most powerful thing in existence. At the same time, it can be delicate and subtle. Whatever resistance that may be brought to bear against it, one finds that truth can never be destroyed or diminished in the least. Truth requires no effort to exist--It Is. It is not your truth or my truth; it cannot be personal. If it is, it is merely the idea of truth and therefore only an opinion or judgment. It is most important that you don't fall into the trap of assimilating what another says at the level of belief. This is not a work based in knowledge. If you don't see the truth for yourself, don't believe it! ....

rk: The above is a simple statement of Truth. Yet you remain distracted from it by trying to determine a similarity regarding its expression. May I suggest to you that there are countless ways of expressing the same truth, and ignoramuses will argue over each and every one of them. Only the Intelligent are able to cut through the peripheral level of words and recover the pearl of wisdom contained therein.

sg: > You establish that your beliefs are based on truths. This is wise. I presume that is why Guatama did the same thing thousands of years ago, with his four noble truths.

rk: Why do you engage in such idle talk this way? My way, Buddha's way, Jesus' way? Why fritter your life away at such busy-work, go-nowhere, spectator, "talk about" activities? Why not be serious, delve deeply into your own consciousness, understand the Truth contained within and without, and speak only OF it?

sg: > By presenting people with facts that they could not deny, he built the foundation for Buddhism's reasoning.

rk: My statements are inarguable, as are all Truths. That is why the message is never attacked, only the messenger. It is a disinformation ploy to keep the ignorant, ignorant, is it not? Gossip and ad hominem attacks by mind controlling disinformation agents are what keeps ignoramuses dumbed down, divided, and in eternal conflict. Whom among you see it?

sg: > This is why I respect Buddhism so greatly. Oh yeah, and he doesn't call his students ignoramuses.

rk: Let's face it, scott, you respect it because you love dead words. It is the living Truth that scares the Hell out of you.

rk: Let's face it. Though Buddha came to understanding, he also understood that He could not make another understand. Though Jesus came to understanding His True Nature of Infinite Intelligence, He too, failed in His task of bringing enlightenment to human society. The proof of that statement can be seen in that there has been no fundamental change in human consciousness from their time to the present.

sg: > Buddhis is built on reasoning, and they encourage you not to accept any teaching until you have reached the same conclusion through logic and meditation.

rk: > >When the limitation of thought is transcended, one enters the realm of the unknown, the nondualistic mind. This is where truth can be perceived. One can only see the truth, the fact, the "What IS." There is no opposite to "What IS."

sg: > You refer to dualistic thinking. Again, Buddhist principle.

rk: Which came first the "chicken or the egg?" Which came first Truth or Principle? Do you realize just how foolish you sound attempting to compare the incomparable?

sg: And one of the major points in Tibetan Buddhism.

rk: As said before, there are countless peripheral ways to express Truth. All you are doing in this post is outlining a few of them. Your present intellectual approach will never allow you to touch the ineffable Truth. At best you will stop at the edge of the intellect, and touch the hem of Truth by worshipping the last concept you hold in consciousness just before you step off into the abyss -- that is, if you have the courage to take that risk.

sg: I will post, for your observance, an exerpt from one of the most extrordinarily profound books of poetry I have yet encountered, called Flight of the Garuda.

rk: Forgive me, but Bible Thumping blind believers throughout the centuries have done what you are now about to do -- Parrot another's words. Speak for yourself, however well or ill that may be. Drop the hypocrisy of attempting to live through another's words and argue endlessly over that of which you have no direct understanding.

sg: > "...How futile to project notions of being and nonbeing, upon an unformed and inconceivable realty-continuim! What misery to cling to the delusions of a substantial reality! Atone in the spaciousess of formless, concept free pleasure.

sg: > How pointless to project notions of purity and impurity Upon Kuntu Zangpo, who transcends all moral qualities! How guilt ridden are those who cling to moral dualities! Atone in the spaciousness of Kunzang's pure pleasure...

sg: > How exhausting to cling to notions of self and others in the sameness where superiority and inferiority cannot be! What anxiety to cling to the duality of success and failure! Atone in the spaciousness in the pure pleasure of sameness..."

sg: > I cannot reccomend this book highly enough. It is profound on levels unlike any other book I have read. But anyways. I see many similarities within these three lines to your concept of dualistic thinking. Enough that I feel comfortable saying you derive your philosophy directly from them, or at least some other Buddhist text.

rk: Scott, you are a spiritual dilettante. You are a fraud. Why did you not express the essence of that which you claimed to have grasped from the above selection and express it in your own words to this newsgroup? See what I mean about poseurs?

rk: >>We are born into this world complete, whole human beings. Our energy is intact, unfragmented, unlimited in nature.

sg: > Again you mimic Buddhism.

rk: I mimick NOTHING. I have not studied Buddhism.

sg: > It is a basic Buddhist rule that you are born possessing the enlightened state.

rk: Buddha understood it. Jesus understood it. I understand it. Do you get it?

sg: > You are never separated from it. Your vision is simply obscurred by worldly thoughts, and karma. By meditating on the nature of your thoughts, however, you can "remember" your enlightened mind and free yourself from the "endless cycle of suffering" that is reality. Sound familiar? Christ with Amnesia? Hell on Earth? your words.

rk: "Christs with Amnesia"? "Hell on Earth". Of course they are my words. Timeless Truth is never the sole property of any entity. It is there for all who have the spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear regardless of the timeline they live in. So what is the point you are trying to make?

rk: > >We are like a blank slate, and society begins to write: Thou Shalt... Thou Shalt not... You Are... You Are not... Society begins to shape you, to define you, to limit you. This goes on from birth to death, relentlessly. This is conditioning.

sg: > You earlier judged me an ignoramus.

rk: I have no reason to see you otherwise in the present moment.

sg: > Yet I have posted things such as this many times before in the Dr Laura NG. Long before I ever heard of you.

rk: But they are not your words. You are a hypocrite who would ride the coattails of another and bask in the light of THEIR understanding.

sg: > "faith is mental conditioning" I said this many times. it is a self perpetuating parasite on society, driven by tradition, conditioning and subsequent fear of deviation. And I did not realize this out of the blue. One of the many sources that brought me to this conclusion was Nietzche's The Anti Christ, a brilliant work if there ever was one. "Faith is not wanting to know what is true". Just as he claims, Nietzche can say more in a sentence than others can in a book. Although I doubt this is unfamiliar to you.

rk: Again, Nietzche's words. Where are Scott Ghelfi's words? Throw away your crutches. Stand like a man, a spiritual being. Cut your marionette strings. ACT, BE, LIVE, perhaps for the first time. Then talk to others of what you observe. Then, Scott, it may be said that you speak Truth.

rk: >>It has been called the "Universal Mind," the mind of all men. The brain cells are merely the receptacles of past experiences and knowledge that form the basis for one's memory. In addition, the brain serves to regulate and coordinate the activities of the physical body.

sg: > A mish mosh of Eastern thought. The collective consciousness theory appears in Buddhism as well as nearly every religion that acknowledges reicarnation. In Buddhism though it is far more subtle than you explain it on your website.

rk: There you go again, slipping into your pseudo-intellectual analytical schtick. You have nothing to say of yourself so you ride another's coattails, nitpicking as you go along. That's the way of the hypocrite, isn't it?

rk: > >If looked at quietly, the mechanism creating this time-bound reality can be seen operating quite clearly. Such silent observation dissolves the walls that are erected by the mind. These walls of partition create compartments of thinking which divide us from one another and separate us from our wholeness of being. This quiet watchfulness is passive awareness, akin to the meditative state, the state of nothingness, the state of aloneness.

sg: > The process of Shamahta meditation. You focus on your breath as you let your thoughts dissolve. While doing so it is apparant that your thoughts run rampant independant of your control, and you can thus observe them, and let them go, and realize the nature of your own mind. Again, nothing new here.

rk: scott, you've picked up on the words as any parrot would. You just lack the integrity and understanding to make them YOUR OWN!

rk: > >One, being holistic, indivisible, has nothing to struggle with. It must be split into fragments for conflict to arise. It is this dualism that is the essence of conflict.

sg: > Very clever. Again, Buddhism. Dualistic attachment is the root of ALL suffering.

rk: Your personal Buddhist conditioning has compelled you to interpret the words spoken by another as recognized Buddhist concepts, even though the other has told you he has not studied Buddhism. What's wrong with this picture?

rk: > >To the adults of His time, who were already trapped by their conditioning, Jesus spoke of dying to the past, putting an end to their conditioned state of mind and being reborn of the spirit. In doing so, He clearly showed the way to salvation. He cleared a path for those who were able to see. He pointed to the transition that must be made from the intellectual mind of opposites to the nondualistic state of wholeness, of oneness. He showed them the way to the state of being that transcended the limitation of the mind. This was the promise of life everlasting that could be found in the vast unlimited, unknown--beyond all parameters. Certainly when the mind's barriers have been transcended, one is living in a state of infinity, without beginning or end. In this dimension, one is living a loving, timeless existence, not bound by convention, yet living peacefully, effortlessly, cooperatively, coexistent with it.

sg: > Well it appears you have a lot in common with Christian Rationalism.

rk: I have never read anything about Christian Rationalism. If there is something to be held in common, as perceived by you, it is the Truth.

sg: > Read about it here: http://hometown.aol.com/EByrd1 Very similar but more conclusive. It is also interesting to note that Christ's words are remarkably similar to the Buddha's. There is no doubt in my mind that Christ was a realized being, but I believe the rubbish about God and Heaven was perverted by the Church and apostles to better fancy the rabble. When the Buddha realized how simple, but incredibly subtle his teachings were, he did not want to teach to the common people, for fear they would misunderstand him and make evil out of his words.

rk: Have you read the Internet Newsgroups lately?

sg: > But the local dieties pleaded with him to do so, and he did. But many people did not accept it still.

rk: Can you say IGNORAMUSES?

sg: > And it has become perverted in many areas in Asia. Its purest form still is Tibetan Buddhism or Zen, but even that is now falling victim to fatal infatuation by pop society. Already there are countless books written by Westerners "teaching" the Buddha's words. And there are an equal number of people parroting his teachings off as their own invention.

rk: As you have parroted the words of others in this post. You have even used my words as filler material for a sagging, "nothing to say for itself" ego.

rk: > >Can the truth be known if it is beyond the limitations of the mind? If it can, how does one come to it? To investigate anything we must meet it with a clear mind, free of any preconceptions or bias that would either color or prejudice our observations. In other words, our minds must be unattached and objective, free to look, able to move quickly, adjust subtly to the moment. How is that possible, you ask? The answer to that lies solely within you.

sg: > Again, Buddhism.

sg: > By practising certain types of meditation, to discipline the mind and release negative karma, the thoughts of one's ego are cleared away and truth can be realized. Because even if one attains a glimpse of truth, without a pure mind his thoughts will drag him back down into samsara ( reality ).

sg: > You then go on to talk about God and Satan which says to me that you still are attached to the mental conditioning imposed on you by society.

rk: I am addressing those who live their lives through the filter of their conditioned Intellect. How else would I speak to them if not through dualistic language?

sg: > Otherwise you would realize that God does not exist. At least not in the form that he is believed to. And as such is not worth mentioning, God does not have anything to do with your destiny and should not be referred to at all. Instead of redefining what you believe to be God, simply use another term.

rk: For one who cannot speak his own words, you sure spend a lot of effort trying to tell others what they "ought" to speak and think. What's wrong with that picture?

sg: > You then read far too deeply into the concept of the Fallen Angel.

rk: Perhaps you would elucidate further (in your own words, not another's) on the above comment?

sg: > The accuser, Satan, was never a real thing. He was a concept invented to explain why people did wrong things. He was an easy answer to swallow so people accepted it.

rk: As ignoramuses are prone to do, eh?

sg: > Don't do the Church the service of rationalizing their mythology.

rk: > >Although words are inadequate, does this not focus directly upon the mind's incessant need for activity by occupying itself with an endless stream of meaningless tasks? Doesn't the mind do this to remain alive, to avoid at all costs its ending, its death? It is clear that if the mind should become quiet, the constant, repetitive reinforcement which stimulates the habitual reactions of the mind would lose their power. This is the inherent fear the mind has of its exposure to the light of truth. For in the face of truth, illusion disintegrates and the mind comes to an end, exposed for what it is. One dies in that moment and is reborn of the spirit. This is the simplicity of Christ's teachings, nothing else. It was lost to the people of His time, and it remains lost to the present masses.

sg: > The basic principles of attaining the highest state of Enlightenment. Apparently you saw the movie "Little Buddha" starring Keano Reaves and Chris Isaak. Towards the end of his journery, Guatama's ego made a desperate fight to stay alive, assaulting him with images of attackers, tempting women, and disasterous weather. Through it Guatama meditated until his ego was conquered and his ultimate mind realized. In the moment his ego died Guatama was "reborn" as energy and returned to the world to teach others. Essentially your ego operates as almost a seperate entity. It has a sense of self-preservation. When you attempt to calm your mind and stifle your ego, it scrambles even more with it's incessant chatter and needless thoughts. Only by letting it exhaust itself, by not feeding it, can it be overcome.

sg: > So Ray. Now it's your turn. Explain to me why I should pay 30$ for your audiocassette so you can parrot off to me what I have spent years studying.

rk: You're absolutely right. Thirty bucks will not bring you enlightenment. Save your money. You're not ready for the Truth.

sg: > What makes you believe you have this all figured out? Not to toot my own horn, but I have a good grasp of Buddhist teachings, principles and history. I can explain the process of attaining enlightenment, yet I am not enlightened.

rk: As I said, you're not ready for enlightenment.

sg: Very far from it in fact. I still prostrate before the Masters, gladly, joyfully, whose wisdom cannot be expressed in words. And these Master's, who do no fail to demonstrate their wisdom and spiritual attainment, do not call me an ignoramus.

rk: Only because they understand that you worship panderers.

sg: > They educate rather than belittle.

rk: Education is Mind Control, Conditioning, Intellectual manipulation. BASSACKWARD, isn't it?

sg: > And they can accept the fact that some people are not ready for these teachings. Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in causing people humiliation.

rk: I don't humiliate others; I mirror them. The humiliation is all their own and karmic in nature.

rk: Hell, isn't it?

sg: > You think you are close to your goal, Ray, but you stray further than you realize. I think you should examine yourself more thoroughly. When people accuse you of being rude or insulting, you say you are being direct. You are justifying your own ego. You have missed the point of your own "teachings".

rk: Until you understand that Truth is not a matter of popular consensus, you have not understood a thing about your own spirituality. Physician Heal Thyself before you seek to heal others.

rk: Is this where I get to say -- "I REST MY CASE!!"

Ray Karczewski

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Sunday, 23-Jul-2000 01:30:06

206.214.228.101 writes:

No he was Hebrew. How could he be a Christian?

He had not died. More interesting questions are;

At what point in his life did he know he was the Son of God?

What would that imply about his ability to live a perfect life? Is it "fair" for someone who knows that they are God's son to be tried on the same scale as the rest of humanity? If he was God's son, why would he trouble himself with the rest of us? How could he be what he, himself, is reported to have said that he was and have also been human?

But to answer the question, he was Hebrew.

Michael Erskine

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Sunday, 23-Jul-2000 18:49:55

208.26.131.30 writes:

m: No he was Hebrew. How could he be a Christian?

rk: Go beyond the "letter of the word," Michael, and tell me where is the "Hebrew" and where is the "Christian" to be found?

m: He had not died.

rk: Certainly not in the physical sense. But what of the Intellectual sense that is one's Societal/Religious Conditioning? Did He not say that He was "in this world, but not of it?"

m: More interesting questions are; At what point in his life did he know he was the Son of God?

rk: When He died to the incessant chattering of a "technical-oriented," fragmented Intellect and was REBORN of the Infinite Holistic Spirit of Intelligence, the CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS?

m: What would that imply about his ability to live a perfect life?

rk: A better question would be, who would be there to recognize such ability? Speculation by a linear Intellect pales in the glory of the multidimension consciousness of a Christ.

m: Is it "fair" for someone who knows that they are God's son to be tried on the same scale as the rest of humanity?

rk: "Fair" is a matter of balance, is it not? "Fair" does not exist in the world of man's unbalanced dualistic system of law. There one finds only power and exploitation disguised by high-sounding rhetoric.

m: If he was God's son, why would he trouble himself with the rest of us?

rk: Understand the true meaning of Love, and you will have answered your own question.

m: How could he be what he, himself, is reported to have said that he was and have also been human?

rk: From this moment onward in your life, NEVER tell another lie, cheat, steal, or harm/exploit another. Live Holistically. Be Responsible. Then SCREW THE RULES!

rk: Do that and see if you have not also answered that question for yourself.

m: But to answer the question, he was Hebrew.

Michael Erskine

rk: Now tell me, Michael, What's in a name?

Ray Karczewski

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Tuesday, 25-Jul-2000 00: 45:17

206.214.228.101 writes:

Raymond;

I have already answered these questions for myself. I was asking them to see what your responses would be. Thanks for the response.

It cleard up a lot for me. I am concerned that you made many assumptions about me, what I know and do not know, without having anything but questions to go on.

Raymond, do you really feel as superior to so many of the rest of us as you seem to, or am I completely misinterpreting the implications I see in your answers?

The rules in this life are very, very simple. The fact that so many of us, self included, fail to obey them does not make them anymore complex.

If you admire, Christ, why is it that you are not speaking more of the power of Love? It is love which sets us free from the world. It is love which makes us 'in it, and not of it'. These things are true. It is also love which reminds us that we are not superior to others simply because we are loved, for all are loved. It is the great equalizer, not some tool with which we establish our superority.

Well, time to hit the sack. Good night, Raymond.

Michael Erskine

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Tuesday, 25-Jul-2000 0 3:22:02

208.26.131.21 writes:

Michael Erskine osiris@urbanna.net wrote:

rk: Michael, noted is your email address name *osiris.* Are you in fact an Illuminist (member of the Illuminati)?

Raymond;

m: I have already answered these questions for myself. I was asking them to see what your responses would be. Thanks for the response.

rk: In other words you were not integral in your inquiry, were you? You did not openly share your understanding with another, but rather sought to lay in wait in order to do what -- to set a trap? Isn't that the major problem which plagues these Internet newsgroups/forums? Are they not overrun with deceivers and hypocrites who skulk in the shadows using multiple aliases while they "cleverly" lay traps?

m: It cleard up a lot for me.

rk: Perhaps, perhaps not! I must tell you that your words do not ring true. Your energy still resonates with dualistic confusion and power struggle game-playing.

m: I am concerned that you made many assumptions about me, what I know and do not know, without having anything but questions to go on.

rk: My assessment of your energy was/is not knowledge-based. I made no assumptions, I penetrated you words and merged with the vibratory essence of them. What was observed was dissonance.

m: Raymond, do you really feel as superior to so many of the rest of us as you seem to, or am I completely misinterpreting the implications I see in your answers?

rk: You, like countless others burdened with not understanding the problem of intellectual limitation, are caught in the dualistic trap of power. The intellectual traps you set for others only manage to trap the trap-setter. It is the very nature of power which dictates superiority and inferiority. It is power and the acquisition thereof which makes life on this earth a living Hell.

rk: None on these newsgroups/forums, TO DATE, have been able to deal directly with the essence of my message and its underlying shocking (awakening) energy. Nor have they been able to trace its origin, as they, like you are trapped by the limitation of Intellect.

rk: Feeling/experiencing their limitations, they necessarily and face-savingly are required to impute superiority/inferiority to the relationship. They then spend all their time in setting traps in order to "cut" a perceived "Superior" down to size. What inevitably happens, however, is that in their unawareness* they only manage to ensare themselves in their own traps.

rk: The simple Truth is that I do not navigate this life solely via the blind instrumentation of intellect, but by direct perception. I utilize the intellect for technical problem solving and for communication with other intellects.

rk: I have understood that which all others who navigate life via the nondualistic spirit of Christ Consciousness understand. Communicating it to the Intellectually bound, i.e., *Christs with Amnesia,* is quite another matter.

rk: As my direct perception (Mirror of Truth) exposes the hypocrisy of dualism at every turn, I also demonstrate the simple truism of the "exception to the rule"; i.e., that if one man/woman can live life free, loving, and transcendent of the veil of human tears, ALL CAN. Not only that, it is not based in some vague empty promise which awaits one in an "afterlife," IT CAN BE LIVED HERE AND NOW! Such is the fulfillment of LIFE EVERLASTING.

rk: Yet it can readily be seen that hypnotically conditioned ignoramuses not only hang on to their personal hell with a death grip, they will defend it to the death--their own! How intelligent is that?

m: The rules in this life are very, very simple. The fact that so many of us, self included, fail to obey them does not make them anymore complex.

rk: Of what efficacy is the setting of rules which are not obeyed? Understand? Why do you speak with such pride of nonintegrity and hypocrisy? You've put your finger on the building blocks of Hell in that one sentence, have you not?

rk: First heal (healing = make whole) thyself, then and only then may you speak to another of wholeness. Until then it is folly to hypocritically speak of that which is merely a faded promise by a deluded intellectual mind. If you are integral, why do you so staunchly defend hypocrisy? The Mirror of Truth can do naught but reflect that which stands before it.

m: If you admire, Christ, why is it that you are not speaking more of the power of Love?

rk: Admiration is a dualistic emotion based in a projected judgment of superior/inferior. How does one admire the INFINITE?

m: It is love which sets us free from the world. It is love which makes us 'in it, and not of it'. These things are true. It is also love which reminds us that we are not superior to others simply because we are loved, for all are loved.

rk: Your words are smooth, your manner slick, but your energy is dissonant. You are hung up on the worldly definition of love. It is your nonperceptiveness of subtleness which betrays you.

m: It is the great equalizer, not some tool with which we establish our superority. rk: You are hung up on superiority, are you not? Your words say one thing, their essence quite another.

m: Well, time to hit the sack. Good night, Raymond.

rk: Let me put it to you this way, michael -- goodbye. I do not suffer slicksters for long. Come back when you wish to engage in serious dialogue.

Ray Karczewski

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New Millenium A New Conscousness, A New World !! (Was: The Earth Shall Be Inherited By the "Neo-Tech" Value Producer)

Friday, 16-Jun-2000 16:18:45

208.26.131.222 writes:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Howie Healey wrote:

hh: : Sorry to disapoint you rk but I don't see the Earth being inherited by the meek, or a mystical religious cult type figure.

rk: Howie, in the enormous rift which exists between what you presently see and "What Is" lies the rest of LIFE!

rk: One must "always" question such prideful display of a dualistic-oriented consciousness grounded in one's own personal greed and conditioned ignorance. Your unyielding adherence to the dead tenets of *Neo-Tech* leaves you no different from any of the myriad other Institutionalized-thinking blind believers in search of their personalized "conditioned goal." It is the energy of your blind, groping, compensating, mechanically thinking, linear Intellect itself which prevents you from seeing this simple self-evident Truth.

hh: Thine Earth shalt by inherited by the competitive honest hard working productive objective rational value producer creating more values then he consumes, there is no time to be meek in our busy world, there's too much to do. It's as simple as that.

rk: Your statement ". . .the competitive honest hard working productive objective rational value producer creating more values then he consumes, there is no time to be meek in our busy world, there's too much to do . . ." is merely the dangled bait of ambiguous idealism just out of reach of an energetic gerbil wearing himself out on life's treadmill which goes nowhere. You have just expressed life as sensed through the dimmed awareness of the "average mind controlled, civilized man."

hh: God-Man Bless

Howie

rk: Indeed, God Blesses ALL; for even gerbils evolve!!

Ray Karczewski

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Friday, 16-Jun-2000 16:16:12

208.26.131.222 writes:

What is the nature of belief?

What are the dangers of belief?

Why and how does belief come into existence?

Who should be believed?

What is the essence of leadership?

What is the duty of the led?

What must be the inevitable outcome of belief?

What must be done to liberate oneself from the tether of belief?

What does belief require of the believer?

These questions will be answered as we look at the parasitical nature of mind control.

My perception is that the leaders and the led, which make up the whole of humanity, are merely two sides of the same coin of hypocrisy.

At the fragmented level of the dualistic-thinking intellect, a split is made from the wholeness of being into two halves of the whole, each half violently and coercively reactive to its own projected, opposing image. The result of this transformation is man's descent into his own subjective psychologically-based projection of hell.

That was early man's fall from grace. Thus began a fragmented mind's eternal struggle with its own self over the redistribution of a previous wholistic energy into the fragmented energy which man has come to label as power.

The *Haves*, which began as the half with a slight preponderance of energy over its opposite, the *Have Nots*, took their place as the leaders. The leaders became the manipulators, the nonproducers, while the *Have Nots*, lacking equality of energy, were made to doubt themselves and were thus relegated to being the robotic but dutiful producers of the leadership's designed society. Society thus was formed along these dualistic designs, and pressure became the way of life for civilized man.

Corrupt institutions of control are legislated into being by the *Haves* of leadership. Our educational systems become the early and enduring conditioning arm of such a leadership/led dichotomy-based society.

It was learned ages ago that interference with the innocent mind of a child through coercive training at a very early age will produce a controllable adult through influences which will usually remain intact until death becomes his only release.

Once trained responses are set in place within the psyche, they can and are reinforced constantly with remembrances of traumatic events usually brought into our living rooms via the media.

It is the power of the media-based social architects who employ celebrity images via story telling and control of news dissemination that molds behaviors and engenders views that are "politically correct." Deviation from such "idealized" behavior becomes a punishable criminal offense.

The insatiable greed of leadership, desirous of ever more power, requires everincreasing subtle, incremental pressures to be placed upon the *Have Nots* through further restrictions of freedom and exploitation, until the limit is reached and an explosion of revolution occurs, destroying the dualistic relationship and all those who identify with it. That is the meaning of "those who live by the sword (dualistic, double-edged instrument that cuts both ways) shall perish by the sword."

It is the meek, the wholistic consciousness that is not caught up with the violent dualistic realm who will be the survivors of such mutual annihilation. They will be those possessed of the infinite state of intelligence called the "Christ State." They will be the ultimate inheritors of the earth. That is what is meant by the "Second Coming of Christ."

Yet fools abound who call themselves Christians and are willing to kill another or sacrifice themselves as martyrs for a cause based in a limited conditioned belief they have not put to the test of personal understanding. These dualistic, blinded individuals are themselves the antithesis of the Christ State and are forced to follow their equally blind leaders in search of a comfortable ditch.

What has all this to do with belief?

Belief is merely a fragmented idea held by the intellect which is a mistaken or false understanding of the whole. It is the basis of all mind control. Without the *magick* of belief a psychological Hell based in the separative process which divides father from son, mother from daughter, man from woman, group from group, nation from nation, religion from religion, would not be in existence.

To reiterate: What is the nature of belief? --- The acceptance of illusion by a fearful, lazy mind looking for security in a partial idea which protrays itself as an holistic truth.

What are the dangers of belief? --- Confusion, confoundment and a bassackward looking-glass view of reality.

Why and how does belief come into existence? --- Through the insertion of self-doubt via hypnotic training techniques.

Who should be believed? --- Psychologically, no one. Test all input against the Mirror of Truth.

What is the essence of leadership? --- The fragmented idea of a self-perceived god which asserts itself as a God with dominion over all it surveys.

What is the duty of the led? --- To recover the memory of their true selves or forever comdemn themselves to a life of servitude.

What must be the inevitable outcome of belief? --- Division, hatred, bigotry, violence and suffering that necessitate opposite, offsetting personal escapes into fantasies of pleasurable positive imagery in its attempt at psuedo-balance.

What must be done to liberate oneself from the tether of belief? --- Be silent. Allow the mind to rest.

Let the controlling images fall away through the direct perception of insight. Let the mind die so that the rebirth of spirit may be.

What does belief require of the believer? --- The same proposition refused when offered to the man Jesus as He was tempted by his intellect (satan) on the mount: To sell one's soul (one's integral, nondualistic essence) for the rewards enjoyed by a temporal, fragmented, dualistic mind which craves power.

My only question at this time to all who have "the eyes to see and the ears to hear," who are able to grasp the eternal Truth contained in the message of this post is: Isn't it time we take back our world from its present leadership?

It needn't be done through violent means, for then one merely plays into the hands of leadership who presently have a pressing need for population control. Let the producing masses share the fruits of their own production with each other while bypassing the established hypocrisy of a deceptive, nonproducing third party called leadership, and the theater of power will experience its final curtain. The illusion of power having disintegrated through mass understanding shall herald in the "New Spiritual Consciousness" in which "The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth."

Ray Karczewski

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Thursday, 15-Jun-2000 01:41:20

206.40.79.9 writes:

I think your words are very helpful. I've been on a quest for several years now to find out "who" I am knowing full well that it is something that can never be fully put into words. It's the journey that is the answer. I've been slowly realizing that I don't need to look for reasons to live but that I can simply *BE*. I guess it's sort of like the smoker who knows full well that they should stop but can't quite do it all the way. Perhaps a better analogy is that of self-consciousness. I'm slowly learning to stop interrupting the music of life in order to hear it's echo (and then getting frustrated by the loss of rhythm). Understanding that duality is an illusion is one thing but truly "knowing" it is another that I'm slowly but surely obtaining.

Sincerely,

Blake

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Thursday, 15-Jun-2000 00:24:06

208.26.131.164 writes:

Millions of people all over the world are now waiting for the coming of the Messiah. Millions of others are also waiting for the "Second Coming of Christ." They will argue amongst themselves that the Messiah is not the same as the Christ.These millions of sincere believers who search out every jot and tittle to argue over are ignorant of that which causes them to wreak such havoc in their lives and in the lives of others.

Both the concept of the Messiah and the Christ personified as a "Savior" arise out of the mystical Judeo-Christian traditions foisted upon ignorant, conditionable minds by the power-oriented priestly mind controllers of the Middle East region of our world. They and their "man-written book of authority", i.e., the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, are responsible for the matrix of conditioned thought which presently dominates the religious mindsets of those who live in the Western world.

The simplicity of Christ Consciousness which civilized man is unable to grasp IS THIS:

Christ Consciousness is the state of "nondualism" which expresses itself in the eternal moment of NOW. It is TRUTH personified. The man or woman CHRIST is atone with all and understands the true meaning of LOVE.

The corrupted civilized man who filters the immensity of LIFE/TRUTH through his limited, conditioned Intellect lives his life from birth to death under the spell of MIND CONTROLLERS. They have "Fallen from Grace" and live their lives in a dualistic Hell of their own making.

In technical matters the mind (intellect) has been said to be a "terrible thing to waste." In nontechnical matters (the rest of life) the mind (intellect) is, in fact, a "terrible thing to have."

Only the intelligent are aware that man's Intellect is of the dead, aftermoment-based, time-bound, fragmented, conceptual realm. They understand when to use intellect and when to let it go (when to die and be reborn of the spirit).They are able to perceive and resonate with life directly in the unfolding living moment of NOW.

The man Jesus described it well when He said He was the Truth, the Life, and the Way. In all of recorded Christian history, NOT ONE SINGLE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWER was able to pick up on the simple Truth spoken by Jesus. If they had, they would no longer be CHRISTIANS but CHRISTS.

The unaware man/woman who lives life in the aftermoment of intellectual thought is DEAD, for all matters based in the past are DEAD.

A man/woman who understands this has already transcended the time-bound Intellect and experiences a SPIRITUAL REBIRTH, a RESURRECTION OF THE SPIRIT. They who live in the everpresent holistic, living energy of NOW are CHRISTS who understand what it means to be LIFE EVERLASTING.

This unconditioned consciousness, the CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS is the holistic (holy) Spirit of Infinite Intelligence made manifest on this material plane of existence. It resonates as TRUTH -- life itself.

Our Spiritual Brother Jesus was of such a nature. That was His simple message to an ignorant, conditioned, civilized society. One can see the HELL raised by anyone living in TRUTH and mirroring the dualistic Hell that permeates the intellectual consciousness of their day.

How many of you folks out there see it?

Ray Karczewski

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Thursday, 15-Jun-2000 09:08:16

208.26.131.2 writes:

Michael,

It is time for all spiritually sighted brothers and sisters to speak publicly, indepedent of one another. I perceive it to be problematic for each to align themselves with one another as a group for that has always been the way of the world.

The simple truth spoken by men/women of Truth is sufficient to awaken the most recalcitrant from their hypnotic spell.

Thank you for being there, my spiritual brother.

Ray

Raelian wrote:

Dearest Raymond,

Yes . . .

md: > There is no future to predict, no past to record for posterity. There is no time. There is only the eternal now, the glorious and eternal ever present moment of Perfect Love. Somehow, attempting to put such an experience into words, reduces it. But, I know of what you speak. It is very gratifying to know that my experience is a shared one.

Love and Peace,

Michael David

rk; > > Millions of people all over the world are now waiting for the coming of the Messiah. Millions of others are also waiting for the "Second Coming of Christ." They will argue amongst themselves that the Messiah is not the same as the Christ. These millions of sincere believers who search out every jot and tittle to argue over are ignorant of that which causes them to wreak such havoc in their lives and in the lives of others.

Both the concept of the Messiah and the Christ personified as a "Savior" arise out of the mystical Judeo-Christian traditions foisted upon ignorant, conditionable minds by the power-oriented priestly mind controllers of the Middle East region of our world. They and their "man-written book of authority", i.e., the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, are responsible for the matrix of conditioned thought which presently dominates the religious mindsets of those who live in the Western world.

The simplicity of Christ Consciousness which civilized man is unable to grasp IS THIS: Christ Consciousness is the state of "nondualism" which expresses itself in the eternal moment of NOW. It is TRUTH personified. The man or woman CHRIST is atone with all and understands the true meaning of LOVE.

The corrupted civilized man who filters the immensity of LIFE/TRUTH through his limited, conditioned Intellect lives his life from birth to death under the spell of MIND CONTROLLERS.

They have "Fallen from Grace" and live their lives in a dualistic Hell of their own making.

In technical matters the mind (intellect) has been said to be a "terrible thing to waste." In nontechnical matters (the rest of life) the mind (intellect) is, in fact, a "terrible thing to have."

Only the intelligent are aware that man's Intellect is of the dead, aftermoment-based, time-bound, fragmented, conceptual realm. They understand when to use intellect and when to let it go (when to die and be reborn of the spirit). They are able to perceive and resonate with life directly in the unfolding living moment of NOW.

The man Jesus described it well when He said He was the Truth, the Life, and the Way. In all of recorded Christian history, NOT ONE SINGLE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWER was able to pick up on the simple Truth spoken by Jesus. If they had, they would no longer be CHRISTIANS but CHRISTS.

The unaware man/woman who lives life in the aftermoment of intellectual thought is DEAD, for all matters based in the past are DEAD.

A man/woman who understands this has already transcended the time-bound Intellect and experiences a SPIRITUAL REBIRTH, a RESURRECTION OF THE SPIRIT. They who live in the everpresent holistic, living energy of NOW are CHRISTS who understand what it means to be LIFE EVERLASTING.

This unconditioned consciousness, the CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS is the holistic (holy) Spirit of Infinite Intelligence made manifest on this material plane of existence. It resonates as TRUTH -- life itself.

Our Spiritual Brother Jesus was of such a nature. That was His simple message to an ignorant, conditioned, civilized society. One can see the HELL raised by anyone living in TRUTH and mirroring the dualistic Hell that permeates the intellectual consciousness of their day.

How many of you folks out there see it?

Ray Karczewski

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Wednesday, 14-Jun-2000 15:42:37

208.26.131.16 writes:

T.S. Hunter wrote:

lraven" wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote in article

t: This NTN has become boring as it has become dominated by the posts of one man, Ray Karczewski.

rk: Shouldn't the answer to the above assertion be defined by the further question of Why do you perceive it as boring and dominated?

rk: Why do you judge another's contribution to this forum to be an act of domination? What is the criteria for such quick, shallow, convenient judgment? To answer that question must you not go deeper into yourself, thomas? Must you not plumb the depths of your very being and search for the answer with the unmistakeable energy of Neo-Tech's "highly touted" Integrated Honesty?

rk: You see, thomas, I block no one from contributing to this or any other group, on or off the Internet. Nor do I conduct or involve myself with bandwagon campaigns (as some Neo-Tech'ers have) to prevent another's articles from being posted on this forum. Shouldn't you be asking yourself why it is that without my posts, this forum is but a fallow field awaiting the planting of creative seed?

rk: Again, you will not find the answer to that by looking at my posts, but can see it clearly at the lifeless level of the views expressed in response to my words.

rk: Show me a creative post on this forum emanating from a NEO TECH POSTER that cuts through all the busy work nonsense of civilized game playing, and goes directly to the core of the Human Condition.

rk: When one views the average contribution to this forum, what is clearly observable is the vapid energy of peripheral, superficial, small-talking "Talk Abouts" who rationalize their go-nowhere life by attempting to show just how busy they are scurrying about in their daily lives to solve the myriad problems of the outer world while their inner world lies in shambles. Such destructive momentum can only be sustained by the mind controlled mass energy of distracted ignorance.

rk: To solve the world's problems is easy, a real piece of cake!

rk: ANYBODY CAN DO IT! STOP CONTRIBUTING YOUR PERSONAL MOMENTUM AND MONEY TO IT! ALL OTHER ACTIVITY IS BULLSHIT!

rk: The momentum of Hell on Earth cannot exist without the aid of BILLIONS of inert slavery-oriented, conditioned intellects which are incapable of functioning without the outer stimulus of their mind controlling leadership.

t: > His posts are long and boring and he attacks anyone who points this out.

rk: > On the contrary, I attack no one. I merely Mirror the attacks which are clearly preemptively initiated by others upon my words of Truth ( such as this one issued by you, thomas).

t: He constantly attacks Neo-Tech and Neo-Tech users instead of talking about how Neo-Tech and politics inter-relate, as is what this particular bulletin board is for.

rk: The statement you make above, thomas, reeks of the level of your intelligence. It applies to the Intelligence of the least common denominator; and in its despair borne of impotence, it cries out for CENSORSHIP. Hell, isn't it when such motives are exposed?

rk: Although LIFE requires that each of us must "WALK IN THE INFINITE UNKNOWN THAT IS LIFE," and do so in our own shoes, small-minded but highly vocal conditioned ignoramuses employed by mind controllers seeking to control the flow of information on public and privately owned forums are used as shills/divisive provocateurs to stand on the roof of their "house of cards" and shout for all to hear, "WALK THIS WAY" or you SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED to walk at all.

rk: Apparently, thomas, you have not learned the lessons which history teaches, and so have been condemned to repeat them.

t: This NTN has lost its luster.

rk: Why? The answer of course is simple. When life is over and death ensues, luster is the first thing that goes.

t: > and has become the political vehicle for Ray to propagate his own ideals and force them down the throat of those he sees as enemies of his political diatribe.

rk: You have an interesting take upon free speech and open dialogue by intelligent human beings on these Internet newsgroups/forums.

rk: Do you have any inkling at all of just how you and some of the other NEO-TECH contributors manage to indict the NEO-TECH movement with such dumb statements?

rk: By the way, thomas, that was not an attack upon you, for the words reflected were yours. Your limited, parochial intellect was merely mirrored by TRUTH. Uncomfortable, isn't it?

--T.S. Hunter

ps- I expect to be attacked by Ray for this post.

rk: Attacked, NO! Mirrored, YES!

lr: You attack; you merely use the "Mirror" routine to rationalize it.

rk: Nonsense, an aware, truthful man, the essence of the "Christ Consciousness" resonating beyond the limitations of cultural conditioning merely observes the initiation of a dualistic momentum and reflects it's preemptive nature back to the unaware sender. The Mirror of Truth is Karma manifesting itself at the gross material plane of conditioned existence. It just points to the Hell ignoramuses have made of their lives and are responsible for, but unware of.

rk: Your use of the phrase"Mirror routine" is quite telling, is it not? Sounds like the pat phrase of a word twisting disinformation agent operating out of a time-tested mechanical formula!

rk: An attack is a preemptive assault, a violent act based in the energy of dualism. A truthful reflection of an attack by a mirror, although passive in nature, is nevertheless a shock to the conditioned observer and those who readily identify with the conditioned observer when seeing their own corruption reflected back to themselves. Such is the predictable reaction of conditioned, unhealthy egos.

rk: The simple fact is that mirrors do not attack, they only reflect "What IS"! You may select any post relating to me at random from the DejaNews archives and trace the origin of attack in them. Therein you will find the source of your present confusion as to who is the initiator of attack.

rk: Without the origin of attack thus being determined, intriguing, hypocrite disinformation agents revel in their power to confuse others through verbal misdirection of attention via the placement of opposing mirrors capable of reflecting the original images ad infinitum. In the process, the Confused Ignoramus gets lost in the dualistic maze of INFINITE REACTION.

Ray Karczewski

--T.S. Hunter

t: ps- I expect to be attacked by Ray for this post.

rk: Attacked, NO! Mirrored, YES!

lr: Mirrors are entirely passive, Ray. You, on the other hand, are quite aggressive. Chris

rk: This particular medium of the Internet requires a verbal mirror. Words are merely symbols of that which is reflected in the mirror. You confuse the reflector for the reflection. That is the nature of ignorance, is it not?

Ray Karczewski

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God is unknown to the human mind. What is known is the idea, the fragment, the reflection of the vast, unnameable, Infinite Intelligence which civilized man has labeled God.

The Intellectual mind is the superficial realm of a dualism-bound consciousness,

The Judeo-Christian "Ten Commandments" are examples of a code of conduct created by man to keep order in a violent society created and administered.by the dualistic Intellect.

It is the evidence per se of the impotence of man-made law created by the fragment of Intellect which seeks to control that which is beyond its limited grasp. Law based in flawed language must itself be flawed. It is ignorance which has always ruled the mind of civilized man that accounts for the Hell on Earth man has wrought upon this planet. The Ten Commandments didn't work for Moses in his time -- they don't work now.

Do you want to know God? Do you want peace in your life? Have you yearned for balance to establish itself in an unbalanced life? Take the simple advice of the Man who stated that one must "die, and be reborn of the spirit." to fully grasp that which is called God.

The question now before us is, how does one die and yet still live? Easy.

It is the mind that is the creator of the conflict within man that must die (die= come to an end; i.e., stop its chattering, judgmental activity). One must remember that Christ was speaking to the ignorant, culturally conditioned minds of His time. He had to use parables and metaphors to get His point across, for the ignorant love story tellers, they revel in being entertained, grasping a word here, an idea there, mistaking it for, believing it to be the whole of the Truth. Such is the nature of "blind believers." They are addicted to the "spoon full of sugar" to assist the medicine in going down, when the Truth itself is often a "bitter pill" to swallow.

For the most part the Man Jesus failed, while the myth created by the exploitive myth-makers after His death has held the imaginations of the Christian "sheeple" throughout the last 2000 years, even to this day. Few who followed His words then, were able to understand and live the essence or Truth of His communications. So it is even today with the multitudes of conditioned, indoctrinated "followers" of His message.

What happens when the mind stops its endless chattering? You're absolutely correct -- NOTHING! In that state of Silence, One trancends (trance ends) the hypnotic realm intellectual man calls reality and experiences the Resurrection of the Spirit (if he is indeed aware enough to spot the tricks his mind will play on him in its attempt to keep him from letting go of his/her conditioned state of pleasurable/fanciful delusion).

That state of nothingness is the unbounded Infinite which is feared so by the parameter setting, limited, image-creating, dualistic Intellect.

Clearly the mind has no power in that realm which exists beyond words and images. As long as one is bound by the friction of dualism, one mistakes such projected, time-bound, aftermoment-based, culturally conditioned images for living, when actually it is death in the aftermoment which is being experienced.

What else would one call a life based in thought, an image, a reflection of a fleeting, eternal moment just past?

All thought is based in memory, therefore grounded in the past, is it not? The past is a dead thing. One who lives in the quagmire of his/her own not yet understood thought, is living off dead memories. Therefore it can be said that one who finds life in the mind is but one amongst the countless numbers of the "living dead."

That's what Jesus meant when He regarded some who clung to His words as the "blind and the dead". Yet He advised all who were able to hear the living word; i.e., Truth, that one must die in order to live. That was His way of describing the atonement of direct perception in a nondualistic realm (the eternal life found in the fleeting moment of NOW).

This is true meditation, true prayer. Spend not the rest of your life talking about it -- do it. Step beyond the comfort and security of enslaving thought. Risk facing the unbounded Infinite Unknown that is LIFE itself, and pay attention to the lessons which unfold before you in the realm of action. Allow the wholistic (holy) spirit of Infinite Intelligence to guide you in your actions. In other words, "Let go. Let God!"

You'll find you will have no need for the Ten Commandments, or any man-made law for that matter; for divine guidance will be your protection. The shield of Truth is all that is necessary for one to live peacefully and freely in an unfree world, for not even the "gates of Hell shall prevail" against one so blessed.

Don't take my word for it. Another can't do it for you. You must do it yourself. As you embrace the sweet essence of Truth as your guiding Spirit, you shall come to understand what it means to be "in this world but not of it."

You will "see" the the world of thought for what it is and, if not detered by distraction or doubt at the hands of mind-controlling authorities, you will understand. That is the path of Mastery over one's mind.

By the way, for you Christians out their, may I suggest that you meditate on the first of the Ten Commandments -- "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other Gods before Me"

Anything less than whole is a fragment, an illusion. Its viability depends on the strength of belief invested by a suggestible, gullible, lazy intellect in search of security through empty words and images. All thought is based in dualistic illusions. Illusions are the false images, the "false gods" referred to in the First Commandment.

There is only One God, the Infinite, Unbounded, Unnameable, Whole (nondualistic) TRUTH. Anything less is not whole nor can it therefore be true. Yet is it not thought that is revered and the Unknown which is feared by a conditioned man living in his civilized mind? You Bet!

If you have understood what I have just said, you have all you need to grasp that which has eluded you for your entire lifetime. No one can give the gift of Truth to you. It is you who must be open to it and willing to drop the conditioned barriers which have prevented it from entering your life.

One who understands -- who loves -- may walk with you on the spiritual path to a certain point, but the step beyond, which requires the courage of risk-taking, is yours alone to take.

Sunday, 11-Jun-2000 05:19:30

208.26.131.2 writes:

Michael Dean wrote:

md: > I do not wish to speak too much about it - but the priest we had in the 1980's was an exorcist for the Diocese.

One day he announced that he was being sent a very bad case and to pray for him. I knew that he was nervous and needed support and I offered to come be with him, especially since it was a woman. And I did -- other parishioners came the first session - but left. I followed through with him, and another handful of people finally came....and what we saw, heard and did was not for the weak. We also had a rosary section going at all times and our priests former Bishop from Sri Lanka came and they both did spiritual battle along with those of us who were helping....and in the end result it was MARY who the spirit hated and finally left as we brought her forward to it. She crushed him (she is the woman in Genesis accredited to crushing the serpent).......I cannot and prefer not to describe anything too much about it, but it was an experience like no other. You do not forget these experiences ------ and when someone tells me 'it's a lot of bunk', I just smile and say a prayer for them. Exorcism is a very 'Sacred Duty' of the Church --- even today; no, especially today! P.

Lani responded: [snip

lib: Everytime I ask for evidence in order to learn more about the fifth or so time --how does one specifically recognize that someone is possessed? Please supply details. This request will no doubt go unanswered because their may be no answer, which begs more questions.

rk: An exorcism is nothing more than the challenge/exposure to/of a dualistic, consensus-driven (LEGION), authority-oriented, hypnotized intellect by the inarguable nondualistic mirror of TRUTH.

rk: An exorcism is the spiritual deconstruction of the fragmented, materially constructed, societally implanted, mystical, organizationally based belief system.

rk: An exorcism is iconoclastic in nature. It destroys illusions when seen by the affected host (the exorcized) in the simple yet immutable light of Truth.

rk: An exorcism is the process wherein the moment-based, nondualistic, living Essence of Truth stands alone to vanquish, through mirroring, the myriad (many), dead, aftermoment-based, conflicted, conditioned, dualistic images imposed upon its afflicted host through unrelenting, incremental religious and political conditioning. It is "spiritually" seen as the "cause" of the neverending psychological Hell which rules the society of Man on this Earth.

rk: An exorcism is the relationship which causes the breakdown, disintegration (psychological disillusionment), the dissolution of dualistic images which arise from an unrelenting organized agenda of subtle, incremental, conditioned beliefs implanted by religious and political mind controllers. It is through such use of institutional hypnosis that exploitable stages of hypnotically-based temporary psychosis can be created and/or resolved merely through the implementation of hypnotic authority based countersuggestion.

rk: An exorcism is the "dualistic" showdown which occurs in human consciousness between the conditioned, consensus-based, suggestible, manifest belief (Illusion) and manifest Infinite Intelligence (TRUTH).

rk: An exorcism has been going on continuously in these Internet groups for the last four years. Who amongst you has had the spiritual eyes to see it?

rk: An exorcism is the arduous process of spiritual awakening.

rk: Note, if you will, the threat my posts present to the existing hypnotic "Status Quo" of this Nation and this World by this ongoing exorcism.

rk: It is there for all to see. The problem IS and ALWAYS HAS BEEN -- it is not readily visible to the eyes of the so-called "profane"; i.e., those who are blind and who are content to be led by the blind. All those who are possessed of such a grossly conditioned, codependent and dulled state of consciousness are unable to SEE simple, clear evidence because it is hidden in plain sight.

rk: Why has there not been a public outrage over this issue of mind control on the Internet? Must the last shred of dignity, of freedom, of sovereignty, of humanity be stripped away from the dulled, inert, dumbed-down "silent majority" before they will take action? Why do their blind reactions inevitably result in bloodshed and their own self-destruction?

rk: As to exorcisms being the sole domain of the Church, what hypnotists can create via the illusion of authority, they can undo (after all, who implanted the illusions there originally?) via the same illusion of authority.

rk: In other words, Folks, you've been HAD!!

rk: Oh, one more thing. You might want to consider in this issue of exorcism. Exorcisms are no more than the awakening of emotionally and psychologically unbalanced BLIND BELIEVERS.

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Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:40:55 -0500

johndare (johndare@pionet.net) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote:

Ray,

jd: I am sad that this is happening to you. I will post my dismay of your censorship. What a disgusting thing for a "FREE" people to do to you.

rk: Those responsible for the censorship of my articles are a core of government/media sponsored/supported mind control, Disinformation Agents who utilize a support system of amateur provocateurs and wannabe shills. The scandal of Government/Media sponsored/supported mind control/Disinformation experiments being conducted upon unwary users of the Internet reaches deep into the government intelligence/broadcast media. It will be a shocking revelation to the American People when the masks of well known radio and broadcast celebrities are stripped away.

jd: My hope is to discuss with you about driver licensing and vehicle registration. I have posed questions to my state DMV but recieve no replies.

rk: How are they to truthfully respond to questions which would only indict them with their own words? No, John, do not expect clarifying answers to your questions to come from government officials. Their primary allegiance is to the machine of government itself, not to the taxpaying public who fuel the machine of government with their taxes.

rk: Governments do not answer questions which would clarify issues at little or no cost. Such a simple act would be called a *service.* Their tactic is to create a neverending stream of problems to solve in order to justify their existence, to perpetuate their employment. They are proficient at stirring things up. They are experts at manipulation via the Hegelian Dialectic -- thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

rk: Until government has milked an issue completely, fully, for its exploitive worth, a solution is not likely to appear. Government will force taxpayers into initiating court action should the taxpayer be serious and relentless about getting an answer to a question which lies within the jurisdiction of that body. Government's aim is to break the spirit of, to bankrupt judicial petitioners with endless delays and continuances. Why not? They are not using their own money, are they? They are using YOUR money, my money, our money. It is being used against us.

rk: If you are looking for a simple solution, go no further than to yourself. Ask the IRS for the specific existing law which compels you to pay income tax. If you qualify, opt out of the Income Tax system.

rk: Ponder the question for yourself. Why continue to participate in, and fund an entire police/legal/penal/mental health industry whose only purpose is to expand their power base by creating publicly funded programs to be used against you and your family. Follow the money trail. Who pays for it?

rk: Isn't it time to dry up the public trough? Take back your money from the bankers and the politicians, the moneyhandlers and the rulemakers. Rescind your "voluntary" Withholding Tax agreement with your employer and receive your full monies earned. Then fund the kind of government programs you want with a vote of your pocketbook, not some empty "throwaway" vote easily manipulated by computer experts.

rk: In dealing with government, be fully aware of, be very careful about affixing your signature upon the dotted lines of government forms. They are likely binding contracts whose terms oft times require that you voluntarily waive your Constitutional Rights and in their stead accept Draconian Law Enforcement. When you agree to sign a contract in return for being granted a license by the State, you have accepted privilege and have "agreed" to relinquish your Inalienable Rights while the terms of the contract remain in force.

jd: I know you drive without a license as I do but wonder how you manage to register your vehicle. My state will not register your vehicle unless you posess a valid drivers license.

rk: I've had no problem in that area. Neither have I had any problems in securing full insurance coverage for my two private automobiles which I use to "Travel the Roadways."

jd: Is your state the same or different? I look and look and find nothing about others experiances with this matter. Any direction or information is greatly appreciated. My 17 yr. old daughter also believes as I do and drives without a contract between herself and the state. I seems to me, though, that driving my vehicle without plates only invites glory mongering storm troopers to harrass us. Most do not realize that driving unlicensed is not an arrestable offense. Any ideas or suggestions?

John

rk: John, I'll not give you legal advice as I am not a lawyer. I can only share with you and others my first hand personal experiences in dealing with government as one who has asserted his Right to Travel the Public Roadways in one's own private automobile when such conveyance is not used for commercial or business purposes. I have been doing so uninterrupted and unimpeded since I allowed my "Driver's License" to expire on September 23rd, 1999. Since then, I have had no incidences with Law Enforcement or the Judicial System, even though the issue was kept at high profile on the Internet.

rk: Speaking of "High Profile" consider, if you will, posting all written communications with bureaucrats and politicians as a matter of public record by sharing them with the onlooking world via the Internet. It's a great leveler. It makes for an even playing field. It does not give government a "home town advantage." It keeps the politicians/bureaucrats honest and/or focuses public attention upon such seasoned hypocrites in sustaining their "Stone Wall of Silence" by steadfastly refusing to utter a single word about the issue(s) in question.

rk: Government's bureaucrats cannot continue to function with their "color of the law" chicanery when the closed doors which have allowed them in the past to impose such tyranny upon peace loving people are flung wide open and their intrigues exposed for all to see.

rk: It is this tactic and this tactic alone that accounts for the present censorship of my articles on the Internet newsgroups.

rk: My experience with government from the Federal level to the Local Level tells the story of how citizens are viewed by their government employees - with arrogance and disdain.

rk: I am a retired Police Sergeant. Just one man. Government responds to numbers. I speak for myself. I represent no other. I deal only in TRUTH. The rest of the nonsense surrounding my posts is easily traceable to the keyboards of compensatory anonymous ignoramuses. When Hell is raised and the smoke clears, the events are simply seen by the spiritually sighted as the Mirror of Truth mirroring the corruption of government/media hired thugs.

rk: Until the American public wakes up and fully understands that the real power of dealing with government comes from the actions of a "SEA OF INDIVIDUALS" and not the traditional organized groups composed of ineffectual, codependent, and psychologically compensating sheeple easily controllable through their leadership, this country hasn't a "snowball's chance" of sustaining its National Sovereignty.

rk: This is what I have been writing about on these Internet newsgroups/forums for the past 5 1/2 years. This is the threat my posts pose to the Status Quo. This is what accounts for the singling out of my posts for censorship.

rk: The Power of the individual ATONE with the unmistakable essense of TRUTH is the power of the WHOLE made manifest. No fragment, not even the "seemingly powerful" fragment of government, can stand up to such manifest TRUTH.

rk: Did not one historical personage who many conditioned believers now regard as their Lord and Savior describe this when He said of Himself "I AM the TRUTH, the LIFE, and the WAY?"

rk: That was not some mystical, religious statement. THAT WAS A PLAIN SIMPLE FACT. As HE was, SO ARE WE ALL. It is psychological, cultural, religious and political conditioning which prevents the average man from accessing that pristine state of Christ Conscousness.

rk: Unfortunately, the vast majority of mankind has been dumbed down to their present ignorant level of dualistic consciousness, fraught with doubt, whereby they readily give up their Inalienable Rights in return for the codependent privilege of licensing.

rk: Ask yourself, John. In our present day society, who is the Master? Who is the Servant/Slave?

rk: As Truth is always self-evident, the question answers itself, does it not?

The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

Caught in more lies

Re: CENSORED! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:18:15 GMT

From: You constantly contradict your own spam (unknown)

You said your insurance company refused to insure your care without a license. Do you not understand how many lies you post constantly? Or do you think people are as stupid as you and Anita are and won't realize it?

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Thanks for the clarification

Re: CENSORED! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:25:12 GMT

From: Problems with mental health authorities? (unknown)

rk: Ponder the question for yourself. Why continue to participate in and fund an entire police/legal/penal/mental health industry whose only purpose is to expand their power base by creating publicly funded programs to be used against you and your family

This finally looks like some truth is crawling out of your lying, vicious mouth. Mental health problems huh Ray? What a shocker. You and Anita deserve whatever grief your abuse and fraud inspire.

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You never answered Ray

Re: You call Town Square "high profile??" (You really ARE pathetic)

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:08:05 GMT

From: All your lies are hatching out finally (unknown)

This guy, "John Dare," claimed he couldn't find your posts, and you carefully repeated your inane spiel about how thoroughly you are being censored from the Internet. Yet he found your constant posts, and is in correspondence with you in a most mysterious way, given your claims you've been thrown off the Internet. You were asked about this painful contradiction, and predictably you refuse to deal in facts. Obviously your website is not censored, except, of course, by you, so what is your beef? Does the man exist? If so, how did he find you if your posts have been wiped off the Internet? Do you even understand the elemental logical contradictions your fantasies produce, and why people simply cannot take anything you narrate seriously? You're better off putting the lies aside and dealing in reality and personal responsibility. By the way, I like the detail about your 17-year-old supporter: if anyone would have something in common with your juvenile conduct and narcissism, a 17-year-old child would. She's have to be truly stunted though.

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More government conspiracies against you Ray?

Re: CENSORED! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:29:25 GMT

From: Shipley and Nelson (unknown)

Just like in Pacifica 30 years ago. Still beating that delusional horse? It got you nothing but a reputation for pscyosis then, and it looks like you can't shake the mental illness decades later. By the way, Grace says hi.

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30 years of this Ray???

Re: More government conspiracies against you Ray? (Shipley and Nelson)

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:26:09 GMT

From: Get to a doctor and reclaim your life (unknown) How could you let an easily treatable mental illness destroy your life for 30 years? Why has your family not acted to get you help? Have they been standing around watching you get sicker and sicker, and yet did nothing to help you regain your mind and health? Is your entire family as vicious as the messages you post here daily? Get to a doctor for Christ's sake and reclaim whatever is left of your life.

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You waste so much time feeling sorry for yourself

Re: CENSORED! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:59:15 GMT

From: Nothing anonymous about your critics (unknown)

You're better off putting an end to this ridiculous display of impotence and doing somethign about it! If you have any evidence at all of the wrongdoing you claim, there are plenty of attorneys who do pro bono work, or can even take the action on contingency. If the case is solid, it's in their own best interests to do so: how do you think they make their money anyway? Your problem arises when **you have absolutely no basis for your acusations,** and instead risk being the party from whom damages are exacted. This is undoubtedly what you fear, and why, despite all names, contact information, and invitations to finally take your threats to court, you spend all your time tucking your tail between your legs and running like hell. If you have any basis in evidence. logic, and reasoned inferenence for the wild claims you make about global plots against you, produce them: that is the only way you can actually bring about what you ostensibly claim you want to have happen. As it is, you just whine and whine and whine like some retarded adolescent, and receive nothing but scorn and derision from responsible adults.

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What do you mean? You haven't worked in decades

Re: CENSORED! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:01:09 GMT

From: You and your wife are tax parasites (unknown)

How could the government possibly be using your money to do anything? It uses OUR money to pay for filth and parasites like you. You haven't worked in decades, and this fact will not simply disappear just because it is uncomfortable for your fantasies of persecution. GET A JOB AND LIVE LIKE A MAN, not like the lying piece of garbage you are. Same goes for your leech of a wife.

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The real curse of psychosis...

Re: posting (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:57:31 GMT

From: Decency dictates we stop encouraging Ray (unknown)

The real damnation of severe mental illness like this is how bloody DOGGED it is. This is the one truth Ray has told: I have no doubt he obsessively sits all day, every day, spamming threats and abuse to as many websites as he can, just to feel appropriately martyred when they are not posted. No self-control of self-respect here at all. Illness like this eats away implacably at whatever humanity this guy may once have had until it consumes him completely and cuts him off from all reality. It is wrong to encourage this kind of destruction and sickness, even in joke. Ray's history is a long one with many victims left in his psychotic wake, including his own children and family. He and his wife ought to be deeply ashamed of this, and of their refusal to do the decent, correct thing: namely, get themselves medical attention. We should not exascerbate their problems by encouraging sick spectacle.

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:56:07 -0400

From: "IceNine" (icenine@locnet.digitalchainsaw.com)wrote:

johndare (johndare@pionet.net) wrote:

in: > John Dare...cousin of Dan...nice anglo-saxon name...I hope it's his own.

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@internetcds.com) wrote:

Ray,

jd: >> I am sad that this is happening to you. I will post my dismay of your censorship. What a disgusting thing for a "FREE" people to do to you.

in: > Johnny, Johnny, Johnny...what shall we do with you, hmm? Please explain how it is that I can find Fucktard the Splendiferous' post if it's been censored? Answer...it has not been. I still have access to it, Townsquare has access to it...so it can be read.

rk: This selective bit of misdirection won't work. See my original statement at top of page http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

in: > Ray's idea of censorship is kinda like Ray's opinion of his own penis: He thinks he's Long Dong Silver, but he's only Wrong Dong Shrivel. You dig? 'Course, makes it easier for you to slurp the boy, don't it?

rk: >>> Those responsible for the censorship of my articles are a core of government/media sponsored/supported mind control, Disinformation Agents who utilize a support system of amateur provocateurs and wannabe shills. The scandal of Government/Media sponsored/supported mind control/Disinformation experiments being conducted upon unwary users of the Internet reaches deep into the government intelligence/broadcast media. It will be a shocking revelation to the American People when the masks of well known radio and broadcast celebrities are stripped away.

in: > Why, Ray? You've already proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have no intention of taking any of this for action--you have my name, you have my address, you have my phone number, and numerous challenges from me (as well as others) to step up to the plate and do what you say you're going to do. The FBI has chosen to do nothing, and told you there was no investigation, everywhere you go people tell you there's no story here. So why don't you make one, bozo? The pioneer takes the arrows, didn't you ever learn that in school?

rk: You must learn patience, icenine. First comes the Criminal Case in Federal Court, then the civil trial. Then when the outcome is made public, this is, of course, if martial law is not declared first and our Constitution suspended, this scandal will cause a massive reorganization of our present government throughout ALL levels. By simply phoning, emailing, snailmailing, and/or signing the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html the American public will have taken the first step in taking back control of their country.

rk: It is now up to the American People to determine their own destinies. Will they be MASTERS or SLAVES in their remaining years on this earth?

rk: Even the partially blind can see that this case is ALL that is needed to stop a corrupt government momentum cold in its tracks, and do it without the need for a bloody revolution. With no exaggeration, this case goes to the very core of the Satanic power of mind control over the many by the *few.* Hell, even the "munchkins" finally WOKE UP and were freed of the Tyranny which previously enslaved them. Can anything less be expected of the American People?

in: >Ray gets a vasectomy, Courtesy of the Mighty Quinn

jd: >> I know you drive without a license as I do but wonder how you manage to register your vehicle. My state will not register your vehicle unless you posess a valid drivers license.

rk: >>> I've had no problem in that area. Neither have I had any problems in securing full insurance coverage for my two private automobiles which I use to "Travel the Roadways."

in: >> Hmmm....FLASHBACK TIME....Here's a golden oldie from a few months back...

Rights vs. Privilege -- Freedom or Slavery !!

Yesterday, Jan 24th, 2001, I received a phone call from my automobile insurance company sponsored by AAA of Oregon. It seems that the noose now choking the freedoms once enjoyed by a proud American People living under a now fading Constitution is tightening.

I have been informed that automobile insurance coverage for my two private automobiles will be cancelled effective Mar. 1st, 2001, a little more than a month from now.

in: > So, Ray, are you LYING? Or are you a gutless turd who put the cars in Anita's name? Betcha she's still got her license...in which case, you're a coward AND a hypocrite. Nothing new to you, right?

rk: What is this obsession you and the others have about "LYING"? That is, of course, other than such oft-repeated, deliberate misdirections serve to expose malevolent deceivers in the act of compulsive, unconscious, psychological projection.

rk: When facing life's problems, one addresses it until it is resolved. One auto insurance company cancelled my policy. The very next auto insurance company I contacted insured me, all with full disclosure of the same data. By the way, both automobiles are in my name. Don't you cowardly, libeling, disinformation folks ever tire of shooting from the hip and coming up with blanks?

jd: >> Is your state the same or different?

in: > Well, he's delusional...you just appear to be crawling.

jd: >> I look and look and find nothing about others experiances with this matter. Any direction or information is greatly appreciated.

in: > removing your head from your anus would be a grand start.

jd: >> My 17 yr. old daughter also believes as I do and drives without a contract between herself and the state.

in: > What a supportive father you are. Child is still a minor, and eventually will get arrested and most likely convicted, and have that on her record for the rest of her life. Just because Daddy doesn't drive with a license. Monkey see Monkey Do. Tell me, do you also keep a vial of crack or two around the house? Maybe a few needles, Immigrant gardener with a 10 inch schlong?

in: > What do you mean, he's yours? You do take a dare, don't you?

jd: >> I seems to me, though, that driving my vehicle without plates only invites glory mongering storm troopers to harrass us. Most do not realize that driving unlicensed is not an arrestable offense. Any ideas or suggestions?

John

in: > Could I suggest you get off your lame Soverign Citizen Ass and get you and your daughter legal before either of you get your asses handed to you? Whether you like it or not, it is the law. You cannot pick and choose the laws, you follow them, until you can overturn them in a legislative body. You have representation, and a vote (Until you are convicted of a felony--which won't be too damn far off). USE THEM, and shut the hell up.

rk: >>> John, I'll not give you legal advice as I am not a lawyer.

in: > BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No shit, Sherlock!>

rk: >>> Speaking of "High Profile" consider, if you will, posting all written communications with bureaucrats and politicians as a matter of public record by sharing them with the onlooking world via the Internet. It's a great leveler. It makes for an even playing field. It does not give government a "home town advantage." It keeps the politicians/bureaucrats honest and/or focuses public attention upon such seasoned hypocrites in sustaining their "Stone Wall of Silence" by steadfastly refusing to utter a single word about the issue(s) in question.

in: > Miniscule in comparison to the Stone Wall Of Silence erected by Ray when someone who is not anonymous to Ray calls his bluff.

rk: I notice you sign your posts as icenine and/or "unk." How does that not make you "anonymous"? I don't see your real name, your real identity in THIS POST, do you?

rk: Another misdirection designed to fragment and distract the readers from observing the "Bigger Picture," eh, icenine? You, "icenine," fall into the category of "Disinformation Agents who utilize a support system of amateur provocateurs and wannabe shills;" and, I assure you, you will be held responsible. However, with the help of the American People, I shall leave it to the FBI to sort it out for the courts as to your level of competency and culpability.

in:> You watch, he won't answer.

rk: I just did!!

in: I'm posting this to my group, TownSquare (edited for language) and straight to his bulletin board. (Note: I posted icenines original unedited comments sent to my bulletin board. rk)

in: > Let's see if he practices what he preaches. I bet I can tell you right now where it won't be added. C'mon Ray, prove me wrong. I'm DYIN' ta be on your Message Board of TRVTH."

rk: Your words "...DYIN' ta be on your Message Board of TRVTH," are quite revealing, aren't they? What a frantic BASSACKWARD attempt to gain recognition by riding the coattails of another. Feel inferior, do you? I suspect you've told the world more about yourself than you had really intended.

rk: >>> Government's bureaucrats cannot continue to function with their "color of the law" chicanery when the closed doors which have allowed them in the past to impose such tyranny upon peace loving people are flung wide open and their intrigues exposed for all to see.

rk:>>> It is this tactic and this tactic alone that accounts for the present censorship of my articles on the Internet newsgroups.

in: > You sure it's not because Google took over Deja, and NOBODY can post from deja anymore? You used to post from a deja address.

rk: Another misdirection, eh? None of my USENET newsgroups posts which have been CENSORED since Feb 23, 2001 were sent from *dejaNews.* All were posted from my local server's newsreader.

in: > Here, Ray. I'm gonna give you a hand. www.newsreaders.com You can find several ways to post from the web. I use www.newsranger.com when I'm away from home base. Your censorship issue is a bunch of hooey. Prove me wrong. Oh, wait, you know who I am, this has already been repressed, hasn't it?

rk: >>> My experience with government from the Federal level to the Local Level tells the story of how citizens are viewed by their government employees - with arrogance and disdain.

rk: >>>I am a retired Police Sergeant. Just one man.

in: >One man....with the delusions of ten....for the amusement of millions.

rk: >>> This is what I have been writing about on these Internet newsgroups/forums for the past 5 1/2 years.

in: > Glad you agree with my assessment. Seek help.

rk: >>> This is the threat my posts pose to the Status Quo.

in: > Ray, did you mean to whip out your package right there and self gratify? I ask merely for informational purposes

rk: >>> This is what accounts for the singling out of my posts for censorship.

in: > That, and the fact that he's too lazy or too afraid to look for alternative methods of posting. Or to drive his car without plates. Or...hell, what aren't you afraid of, Ray?

in: > Where's my lawsuit, COWARD?

rk: Have patience!!

in: cc'd to leftofcenter@yahoogroups.com, Oregon Live TownSquare Forum, arkent@arkenterprises.com, and wherever else I think of to poke pointy sticks at you. i9 http://locnet.digitalchainsaw.com

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Anybody notice that the *censors* at the Portland Oregon "Oregonian" newspaper-sponsored Town Square Forum have allowed icenine's previous and subsequent posts attacking my wife and myself to remain, but have removed any trace of my "shortlived" response to it. Keep in mind this is a public forum sponsored by a MAJOR NEWSPAPER/MEDIA SOURCE.

MSNBC also joined the censorship momentum when it stripped all traces of my posts from appearing on their forum. Here is what MSNBC said:

When Christ Speaks --- Who Listens?

Error: posting not allowed.

MSNBC is currently rejecting posts from your site.

Ruminations of a Living Christ http://www.arkenterprises.com

Will the American people wake up to learn THAT THEY'VE BEEN HAD by their major news providers?!!

Are you sleeping "munchkins" getting a glimmer of what is really going on here? Are these Major News media outlets acting responsibly when they censor serious posts yet provide such a "selective" platform for vicious character assassination, gross disinformation, libel, and general public disruption? How would a court of law decide that question?

Can you hear the creaking lid of PANDORA'S BOX slowly opening?

Below is the missing post of mine which was removed shortly after I posted it.

The reader will find that icenine's previous post (#33909) in the Town Square archive links, followed by *his response* to my shortlived article at #33966 still remain on the forum. Now see if you can find any trace of my article in between those two message numbers.

Keep in mind, however, that this post is being written on April 25th, 2001 at 6:35 PM. Just in case my missing post suddenly and mysteriously reappears.

What's wrong with this picture?

MISSING POST

Rayyyyyymond's found a fanboy! (for full text read the preceding post )

Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:56:07 -0400

#33966 Thanks to Rayyyyymond for his prompt and vague reply...

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:58:58 GMT

From: IceNine (or KRISTEN ROLEY) Clear? Good. (icenine@locnet.digitalchainsaw.com)

#33909 Rayyyymond, you got a fanboy now?

Re: Town Square (New Admin)

Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:04:14 GMT

From: IceNine (icenine@locnet.digitalchainsaw.com)

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NOTE: This is the second posting (34132) of this article. The first article was removed from the Town Square Forum (#34105) IMMEDIATELY after it was posted.

BOOTS 7.5 wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Thu Apr 26 13:34:06 2001

b: THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT THE CONDUCT OF FEDERAL JUDGES WITH REGARD TO "WACO" AND "RUBY RIDGE" THE MORE CERTAIN I AM THAT AMERICA IS IN TROUBLE. I'M TALKING SERIOUS TROUBLE. THE CONSTITUION CLEARLY GIVES THE PEOPLE AND THE STATES POWER TO KEEP THE FEDS IN CHECK. THE "BILL OF RIGHTS" IS WHERE OUR AUTHORITY IS SPELLED OUT. OBVIOUSLY, THE JUDICIAL BRANCH HAS TAKEN IT UPON ITSELF TO "TRUMP" THE "BILL OF RIGHTS" WITH A NEW VERSION OF THE CONSTITUTION,"NWO" VERSION. THIS MAKES IT ALRIGHT FOR FEDERAL AGENCIES TO MURDER INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITHOUT FACING ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH ANY STATE COURT OR ANY OTHER COURT. SO WENT "WACO" AND "RUBY RIDGE". PERHAPS ITS TIME TO CONSIDER BRINGING SOME OF THOSE MURDERERS AND JUDGES BEFOR THE "PEOPLES COURT" FOR TRIAL. IT WOULD ONLY TAKE A FEW OF THEM TO ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES BEFOR THE REST WOULD FIGURE OUT, WE MEAN BUSINESS. IT MAY BE CALLED A KANGAROO COURT, BUT I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE THAT WERE PRETTY DAMNED FAIR. CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE MORE FAIR THAN WHAT CAME OUT OF "WACO" AND "RUBY RIDGE" BY THOSE WORMS FROM THE FEDERAL COURTS. I SAY IT AGAIN, IT AIN'T GOING TO STOP UNTIL WE DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND, AND ALLOW NONE TO CROSS IT. WHERE IS THE MILITIA GROUPS, AND HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE? LEADERSHIP AND A PLAN WILL GO A LONG WAY, AS LONG AS ITS COVERT AND CARRIED OUT PROPERLY. WE ARE IN TROUBLE FOLKS. WHATS THIS CRAP, HANDCUFF ME FOR NOT WEARING A SEATBELT?? WE ARE IN TROUBLE FOLKS.

rk: Boots, I agree with you. The American Public must be awakened from their hypnotic trance. They must shake off their politically-correct mindset responsible for their present "please don't hurt me anymore" inertia. A line must be drawn. BUT it MUST NOT be a BATTLE LINE -- IT MUST NOT LEAD THIS COUNTRY INTO AN ARMED REVOLUTION.

rk: Such a kneejerk reaction to these incremental dualistic taunts by a government which no longer follows the tenets of the US Constitution plays right into the hands of the designers of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

rk: A better solution is for the American People to BOYCOTT, the government. Let Employees nationwide rescind their *VOLUNTARY* WITHHOLDING TAX AGREEMENT WITH THEIR EMPLOYERS. Strip away the money from the hands of an errant government which does not hesitate to use such money against the American People in their sellout to a NEW WORLD ORDER.

rk: The question is -- do we STILL have a CONSTITUTION BASED Government operating in these UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, or has the present established government of the USA already departed from that hallowed Document and is now merely representing a corporate state awaiting its reorganization and consolidation into a UNITED NATIONS/NEW WORLD ORDER?

rk: If it is the latter, surely the average citizen, "dumbed down" though he/she may be, CAN SEE that the line has already been drawn and redrawn at will many times by a government which pushes and pushes and pushes the AMERICAN PEOPLE into a corner, stripping away their Inalienable Rights, their Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. It is the only the blind, the cowardly, and the already enslaved who turn away from facing the reality of WHAT IS.

rk: Is it not a matter of who is the MASTER and who is the SERVANT? I personally view the people, the public, to be the MASTER in a goverment "Of the People, By the People, and for the People." Anyone is certainly free to disagree with my perception; but in doing so, let them not delude themselves into denying their own enslavement.

rk: Yes, Boots, a line in the sand is already drawn. However, my solution has far-reaching consequences that not even the elitists behind the NEW WORLD ORDER can counter.

rk: When the rest of the onlooking world observes the effectiveness of the *MANY* in their BOYCOTT of the *FEW,* the Satanic spell of mind control will be broken, and the elitist few shall come to understand what "Equality of Man" actually means.

rk: LET'S MAKE BOYCOTT, NOT WAR!!!

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swift 2-2 wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Thu Apr 26 19:13:35 2001

Sorry Ray, but the time for Dr.Feelgood actions have long since passed. As atrocities against the American people mount, no one steps forward to shoulder the burden of putting the oppressors in their place. The congress won't do it, neither will the executive or judicial branch. There will be no help from the left wing mainsteam media. It seems each new no knock raid, each new dynamic entry is written off by the people as, (a) well they must have done something to deserve it. (b) well at least it didn't happen to me. my one hope is that one or another of the alphabet soup agencies gets so sure of themselves and their ability to avoid accountability, that they finally step over a line the people will not stand for. An act so unconstitutional that even sheeple see it for what it really is. Then, hold them accountable in a peoples court! I will gladly handle the part when they are found guilty.

rk: Hell-bent for a war, aren't you??

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Fri Apr 27 20:31:47 2001

Swift 2-2 wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

S: Actually,,no Ray, I am not hell bent for war. No one is when they have already been to one as I have. No one should ever have to face one war in a life time let alone two.

rk: Then why, millenia after millenia, has humanity not learned the lessons of War?

rk: You see, Swift, you, like many many others, have been conditioned into worshipping your own delusions about life. Very few indeed have a direct grasp of life. Those that do are the unconditioned, the simple men/women of Truth, the Christs. Like countless others whom you consider to be your peers, the energy behind your expressed thoughts indicate that you are easily manipulated by thought control, peer pressure, and a desire to conform. If most people were to look deeply within themselves, they would have to admit that they have no desire to stand alone and directly face life in a manner which is alien to the dominant cultural mindset which binds them.

rk: In the jungles of the world, life and death are a daily matter of survival. Not so for civilized human beings. Civilized society is a BASSACKWARD JUNGLE, a place where disorder reigns supreme. It is governed by a dualism-based Intellectual *State of Mind* rife with conflict and confusion. The causes which lead to its collective insanity are invariably hidden in plain sight. Most are *UNAWARE* of it, for they have been educated to worship their own limitations, not even aware that their limitations have been carefully and unrelentingly conditioned into them by those who rule them. This civilized hell on earth is brought about by mind control, by conditioned thought patterns generally masked by the hypocrisy of high-sounding, pleasant, emotion provoking but empty, intriguing rhetoric.

rk: In the animal kingdom, only man will kill another over his own worshipped "conditioned concepts." Such is the nature of ignorance, is it not? In a civilized society, our children are prepared for war through early indoctrination techniques. The Educational mind controllers have 12 years in which to mold that young, impressionable, mind-directed entity into an obedient automaton. It is a small step indeed from the competitive FOOTBALL field to the competitive BATTLEFIELD.

rk: Through these societally approved means, intelligence and awareness are lost to most young men by the time they reach draft age. If not, the transformation is usually completed when young, malleable minds are transformed into rigid, intelligence-destroying responsiveness via military basic training.

rk: How does a young boy become a sanctioned killer in such a short period of time? Put a gun in his hand. Ship him overseas. Isolate him from familiar surroundings. Send him out on a mission for the glory of "god and country." Order him to kill a fellow human being for no other reason than he is told to do so. He/she finds him/herself in the life-death struggle between "us and them." The enemies, "normal" people placed in a strange environment, face each other with weapons of death and destruction, each feeling they are the ones who are right in their positions; yet if truth be known, most have no positions at all -- they are just following orders.

rk: What a dilemma, eh? Both opposing enemies play out the lesson that duality of consciousness teaches, only this time, on a deadly level. You see, Swift, ALL parties to war have lost their inherent goodness (godness), awareness. Their ability to directly perceive the living moment of NOW with holistic intelligence has been stripped away and replaced with death based, habitual reactions which derive their powerful hypnotic hold upon the conditionable intellect from narrow, rigorous training. The boy, now a soldier, has given up his personal Sovereignty and has eagerly accepted the chains of enslavement which arise from "outer direction." The trauma of war transforms the living, the innocent, into sleepwalking, narrowly directed, expendable automatons who easily fall into lockstep with others equally trained to live in fear and codependence.

rk: They believe in "Strength in Numbers," become proud through the fantasies they hold about themselves and their comrades. Yet understanding, true understanding of why they are there and the real purpose which they serve, still eludes them. A bond is formed for fellowship and security. Such is the nature of the herd mentality, the life of violent, deluded, gun-totin "sheeple." However, as hard as they may try to remain asleep, when the bullets start whizzing about, they are shocked into awareness. They are never more alive, more awake, more aware than when they come face-to-face with the split second of life and death.

rk: How many reading this are aware that war is primarily a device for the acquistion and/or redistribution of power and wealth? War is a population control measure. War misdirects attention of the civilian mass mind into pulling together for the common cause, the cause dictated by their leaders, those who benefit from war. War provides the bored and the distracted with a common purpose. War shakes up the "inert" consciousness of the "living dead", those who have been trained to live life in their Intellectually ruled minds.

rk: Yes indeed, in the animal world, only civilized man will kill another or is willing to martyr himself for the delusion of a conditioned concept.

S: But there are some ideals worth fighting and perhaps dying for.

rk: See what I mean?!

S: Like the old saying goes,"I'd rather live one day on my feet, than a lifetime on my knees".

rk: But why not act in the subtle stages to resolve the problem? Why wait until it is grossly manifest and you have no space left in your life but to take up the gun? I have already submitted a bloodless solution to the problem/issue of the Spiritual/Political Crisis facing civilized man in the new millenium. Can it not be seen on these newsgroups/forums that the dominant momentum of the average ignoramus, of one who would rather die in "a blaze of glory" than resolve his problems at the subtle levels of consciousness and thereby "live in peace," is a momentum based in shortsightedness -- in IGNORANCE?!!

S: I have seen atrocities committed against citizens that even a few decades ago, would have resulted in armed insurrection.

rk: You and others are being traumatized by such incremental invasive tyranny. Trauma is the key to the hypnotic trance which rules the minds of habit-oriented civilized automatons. Mind controlled automatons lack the capacity to take direct action in a timely fashion when incremental tyranny unfolds at the subtle levels of consciousness. They'd rather engage in endless, busy-work, idle political gossip and rationalizations than to halt these injustices. Awareness usually kicks in for them when they are being herded onto boxcars which will take them to the FEMA concentration camp centers. Their only crime: They waited too long to act. Such is the nature of human inertia.

S: I have watched a government engage in cold blooded murder and then pull every legal, extra-legal and illegal manoeuvre to keep the killers from accountability.

rk: What does that say about one who sees such actions, yet does nothing about it? Why do you dismiss a bloodless action which would change the face of this planet while you prefer to wait for WAR?

S: I have watched perjury become systemic in the FBI, ATF and IRS. The volume of incidents have gone way beyond L.Freeh's and John McGaws assurances of these being "isolated incidents".

rk: Your rabble-rousing speech does not belong in serious dialogue. Take back your money from those who would use it against you. Then stand back and watch the corruption dissolve before your very eyes.

rk: There are vastly more of us than there are of them. Stand alone, if necessary, as Individuals. Create a momentum of millions of separate individuals acting in concert, but not as an organized group, for groups can be controlled through their leadership. Hold government accountable by stripping away your "voluntary" tax monies which fuel the government machine used against the American Public.

S: Believe it or not Ray, I ponder the question of how these killers can face their children. I have to wonder what kind of souless woman would remain married to such a bottom feeder.

rk: It's all a matter of conditioned perspective, is it not? I wonder what they think about you?

S: I wonder if there are any pangs of guilt when the look into a mirror to shave?

S: In my first war, I did not even hate the enemy. I went because I believed in my government and its position.

rk: I'll bet you soon learned the lesson that IGNORANCE is not BLISS, eh?

S: No longer. This time I'll know who the enemy is, and hatred will be no problem. I would rather they change their ways and get their act in line with the original intent of the constitution,

rk: Then do it by taking back your money from the hands of those who would use it against you, not with a gun!

S: but being the pragmatic individual that I am,it isn't going to happen. At least not without the prodding of a bayonet. Read the headlines around the country. Its all spelled out for you.

rk: So you haven't learned the lesson of War then. You went to war even though you had no hatred for the enemy. This time you are prepared to go to war infused with hatred.

rk: If that's not evidence of Devolution, What IS?

The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

Raymond: Do you expect...

Re: Utterly self-absorbed

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:03:07 GMT

From: Not clear what you're trying to do here (unknown)

us to take anyone with the history of fraud, child abuse, and violence that you have seriously? What are you hoping to accomplish by constantly spamming one-sided, delusional rants that do nothing but dramatize how mentally ill you are?

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Shoring up your reputation Ray, just like in Pacifica?

Re: Raymond: Do you expect... (Not clear what you're trying to do here)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:28:07 GMT

From: Law firm of Shipkey and Nelson (unknown)

rk: (Note: "Shipkey" refers to Oscar Ray Shipley -- former Pacifica, Califonia Police Captain, former Eureka, California Police Chief and now-retired Medford, Oregon Chief of Police. "Nelson" refers to Mel Nelson -- former Pacifica, California Police Chief, now-retired Chief of Police of Livermore, California.)

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Funny how history has a way of coming back to haunt you

Re: Shoring up your reputation Ray, just like in Pacifica? (Law firm of Shipkey and Nelson)

rk: (Note: "Shipkey" refers to Oscar Ray Shipley -- former Pacifica, California Police Captain, former Eureka, California Police Chief and now-retired Medford, Oregon Chief of Police. "Nelson" refers to Mel Nelson -- former Pacifica, California Police Chief, now-retired Chief of Police of Livermore, California.)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:48:31 GMT

From: Reap the enmity you have spread Ray (unknown)

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Your armed marches will fail Raymond as they must

Re: This recent militia spam is sickening (Why smear this all over here???)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:27:26 GMT

From: We reject your sociopathic threats (unknown)

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Watch out for this guy the day McVeigh dies

Re: This recent militia spam is sickening (Why smear this all over here???)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:04:08 GMT

From: Clear out of Cave Junction!! (unknown)

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Even the militia pages find Ray psychotic & offensive

Re: This recent militia spam is sickening (Why smear this all over here???)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:29:36 GMT

From: Rejected even by armed loons of the land (unknown)

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It's all he has in life.

Re: This recent militia spam is sickening (Why smear this all over here???)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:47:24 GMT

From: He only feels alive when he harms others (unknown)

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They're not. Ray's just moved on to threatening others

Re: How are those lawsuits coming? Still running from Kristen? (How about Jamie and Kristine?)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:25:55 GMT

From: He lives only to attack and destroy (unknown)

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Take back your tax money from Raymond Karczewski

Re: MAKE BOYCOTT, NOT WAR!!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:30:38 GMT

From: Watch his corruption dissolve. Pig. (unknown)

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Talk about conditioned mind control!

Re: MAKE BOYCOTT, NOT WAR!!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:26:00 GMT

From: Evil short-circuiting meglomania (unknown)

None of this has anything to do with reality, just your own delusions of mind control and hatred. After all, the only one here who's trying to control anyone's thoughts is you Raymond, and if you had any contact with reality at all, you'd understand that every self-aggrandizing lie you post undercuts any possible hope you might ever have of recuperating credibility. Your calls for armed marches and attacks on society will never prevail, and you will die a bitter, broken old man AT YOUR OWN HANDS. So be it. Some people are just suicidal.

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So of a piece

Re: Thanks to Rayyyyymond for his prompt and vague reply... (IceNine (or KRISTEN ROLEY) Clear? Good.)

Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:28:14 GMT

From: About about the World Court in the Hague (unknown)

rk: You must learn patience, icenine. First comes the Criminal Case in Federal Court, then the civil trial.

Ray won't ever actually ACT on anything, but is now piling up impotent threats? Criminal, civil, what about adminstrative and military action against him Ray? What about the World Court in the Hague?? Don't want to miss any forums!! What a pathetic boob you are.

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Pretty Weenie Ray. Kristen got you running hard?

Re: Thanks to Rayyyyymond for his prompt and vague reply... (IceNine (or KRISTEN ROLEY) Clear? Good.)

Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:46:09 GMT

From: Geez Ray, why not LEARN from your mistak (unknown)

You look like some terrorist wannaba who blows himself up trying to set a bomb to kill others. Couldn't happen to a more contemptable sociopath.

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S**t like you makes me SICK

Re: FBI slaughtered 27 children at WACO (They turned Mr. McVeigh into a killer)

Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:51:56 GMT From: Sometimes the world cuts my heart out (unknown)

Nobody "made" that trash McVeigh a murderer except that trash McVeigh. For this he will forfeit his life, as is just: if you dare extinguish creation you must pay with your own. Only vicious disease like Raymond and Anita Karczewski would champion a killer of chidlren and their hard-working parents. What happened to their own kids I shudder to even think about. I would tend to ask Ray what he would do if the children McVeigh muredered were his own, but it looks like he would applaud McVeigh for it. Why not have had a vasectomy/hysterectomy to begin with?

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