Attn: President George W. Bush.

president@whitehouse.gov

I am bringing this Government/Media Internet Mind Control issue to your attention since I have lost faith in my Oregon Senators Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith for they have dishonored their oath of office to uphold and defend our US Constitution.

What has happened to our government that its leaders should have such disdain for those they purportedly represent?

I ask that you see fit to bring this issue to a successful conclusion. The future of our country depends on it.

Not exactly family material, April 28, 1999

Reviewer: Alfred E. Lemson (aelemson1@juno.com) from Brucellos, NM

"I was very disappointed in the story contained in this pamphlet. The "plot" was merely an excuse to invoke a string of gratuitously explicit scenes. I especially disturbed by the author's account of his romp with his flock in a pastoral setting. That was too tasteless for my tastes, and entirely unnecessary. Yet we expected as much from the outset.

That was on page 16. The rest of the book went downhill from there.

The author is confused about what exactly it is that he wants to write about. Consequently, he does a poor job on everything. If you want to read about spirituality, go straight to the source and read Gurdjieff, Krishnamurti, or Roy Masters instead of yet another derivative knockoff. If you want unabashed porn, try the Karma Sutra or Art Belle instead."

rk: Folks, that was an actual review posted on Amazon.com by one of the AFAB Bully/Skepticultist/Roybot Disinformation Agents. Here are the actual verbatim contents of page 16 of my book "Journey Beyond Thought: Breaking the Bonds of the Conditioned Mind." See for yourselves.

" . . . .honest and unencumbered in their perceptions and actions. Unfortunately, this state of grace is soon lost as the child is inexorably drawn into the thought structures of adult society.

To the adults of His time, who were already trapped by their conditioning, Jesus spoke of dying to the past, putting an end to their conditioned state of mind and being reborn of the spirit. In doing so, He clearly showed the way to salvation. He cleared a path for those who were able to see. He pointed to the transition that must be made from the intellectual mind of opposites to the nondualistic state of wholeness, of oneness. He showed them the way to the state of being that transcended the limitations of the mind. This was the promise of life everlasting that could be found in the vast, unlimited unknown--beyond all parameters. Certainly when the mind's barriers have been transcended, one is living in the state of infinity, without beginning or end. In this dimension, one is living a loving, timeless existence, not bound by convention, yet living peacefully, effortlessly, cooperatively, coexistent with it.

These truths have been spoken of by men of understanding throughout the ages. Unfortunately, the expression of it seems to have fallen upon deaf ears. The peripheral idea, the words used to encapsulate the essence of these truths have been subjected to the limitations brought about by the particular cultural influences and expressions of the time. As a result, the truth has been interpreted in different ways by those who hold power over the mass mind. These...."

See https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0963839101/103-2959619-4272636

rk: Now I ask you -- What's wrong with this picture?

rk: The same government/media sponsored/supported provocateurs responsible for the enormous number of anonymous attacks highlighed with *** on my bulletin board site at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm are also responsible for at least three of the phony reviews which presently appear on the Amazon.com site. 13 other similar phony reviews were removed by Amazon .com. At one point I removed my book from their inventory for approximately a year because of these malicious phony reviews. Some of these anonymous cowards have openly bragged on various newsgroups that they have written these phony reviews on Amazon's page, even though they had not read the book.

rk: Here is a bit of insight into the shriveled spirit of these anonymous attackers too cowardly to back up their libelous words with their true identities. Pay close attention to their words, for they tell you who they work for and what lies in store for the unaware American People.

rk: WAKE UP my sleeping brothers and sisters before it's too late. The first step in taking back control over your government and your lives is to break the back of this government/media sponsored/supported Internet mind control campaign. Sign the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

vg: This is called "oligarchy", or "rule by the elite". It's supposed to be this way, and I am fully in favor of it. People like me rulepeople like you, because we are morally, mentally, and physically superior, to you. Frankly, we couldn't care less, whether you or anyone else are aware of it, as you are far too impotent to be able to do anything about it.

vg: Ever wonder why almost five years of your plaintive wailing have had NO effect, whatsoever? Well, wonder no more, Fat Boy. We know. You know. We know that YOU know, and now, you know that WE know. We just don't give a shit. Your poor, minuscule intellect cannot even comprehend its own insignificance. It's the old "mind over matter" problem, we don't mind, and you don't matter.

vg: It's like this: If you were good enough, you'd be in charge now.

vg: It's so simple, even you should have been able to figure it out, before now, but you haven't. --

V.G. (Vanilla Gorilla)

Ed Wilkinson, responsible for a number of the "anonymous" attacks on this page (marked with ***), current resident of Illinois Valley, OR, former Grants Pass Business man, former Arms Dealer, Member of Republican Party Central Committee, known as nope@nospam.com, dgtlarts@cdsnet.net, also known as Mr. Ed, aka Sir Ed, aka Oregon Ed, aka Ray Kargoofy, aka (LIghtColonel Meepzorp-Bazza, SAIC), aka Raymond Karscrewloose, aka Agent Sir Ed wrote:

Date: 1997/05/31

ed: I've been reluctant to post much about it because he lives in my town and I don't want to get into a pissing contest with him, plus, he is a charming, witty person in person, and my natural reluctance to offend someone I've broken bread with is making me hesitate, but, here goes...

ed: "Ray is immensely sure of himself. NOTHING can sway him. NOTHING. I brought up many valid points arguing against his theses, and he acknowledged not ONE!

ed: He's huge. 6 foot 3 or something, fat, but the kind of fat you see on bikers, underladen with layers of muscle.

ed: He's an ex-cop from San Fran. who retired on disability. I don't know why, but a friend of mine told me it's 'cause he thinks he was shot.

ed: He's got scars all over him, a nose that looks like it's been broken several times, and he looks mostly like an ex-biker or ex-heavyweight boxer. (Which he was. He won a bunch o' titles in the service.) He lifts weights, and he definitely looks like he could tear a Doug Fir down without too much trouble.

ed: He is so self-confident that he actually goes beyond arrogant. Several times, he told me there was no such thing as the Devil, it's merely man's focusing of dissonant energy. Well, I told him that I have personal experience that there is such a thing as the Devil, and he said "that's your perception." So, I said, "Well, that is your perception that my perception is wrong," and he responded "No, for I'm confined by no labels or illusions. The power of the infinite flows through me and everything that I see is the untrammelled reality, undistorted by any emotion or flaw."

ed: He has a very good sense of humor. I tend to crack jokes and puns constantly and he kept up the repartee, going toe-to-toe with me.

ed: At one point, he was leaning forward, eyes fiercely blazing at me, telling me how everything I see is simply a misperceived perception shell, and he said "You MUST let the power of the infinite move you, to see Maya." Then, he stopped and asked pedantically "You DO know what Maya is, do you not?" And I replied "Yeah...she's a black poet who read at Clinton's inaguration."

ed: Well, he was taken aback for a moment, then he burst out laughing, slapped his knee, said "Maya! A black poet! Ha ha!!" etc., then he slapped my knee and said "You're all right, Ed" even though it was plainly obvious I had said that to jolt him from his self-absorption.

ed: My summation of Ray? He's stark, raving bonkers, but he is definitively his own man.

ed: I know when I speak with people if they are just robots or not, and he is not. Ray was able to respond with spontaneous reams and reams of exegesis with my every comment. I know that he genuinely believes this stuff, and it IS coming from some source external to himself, so...he is no phony BS'er, or would-be Jim Jones. (Although I think he would like to be a would-be Roy Masters. I think he's jealous of Roy, although he admits to no human weaknesses.)

ed: Basically, he sees himself as the locus of "the power of the infinite," and believes that it is his job to wake people up from their deceived minds.

ed: I think he's a total nutcase, but I enjoyed the picnic. He's got an incredibly quick mind, very facile, and I was in my element, as I, too, love to debate furiously!

jm: What did you sense about his emotional tone. Any love there?

ed: Absolute, stone-cold assurance that what he, and he alone, sees, is the truth. He TRULY believes that "The power of the infinite flows through [me]."

ed: A very strange kind of love, like you'd get from a psycopathic cult leader. Where his presence is all-embracing, his eyes are fixed and staring, and seem to blaze, and he tries to envelop you in his persona. But, if you don't agree with him, you feel damned.

ed: Very strange, very powerful, pulsating kind of individual. I got the feeling, as I rode my bike away from the picnic, that his aura (VERY powerful) was chasing after me and trying to envelope me.

ed: He has a very good sense of humor. I tend to crack jokes and puns constantly and he kept up the repartee.

jm: That's interesting. Who would have thunk it from this newsgroup stuff?

ed: Yeah, he was actually nothing like what I had pictured him.

ed: In person, he does have incredible charisma, and he could easily become a cult leader.

dr. digger wrote:

rk: You Have a Right to Remain Silent!

d: Fuck that right! I'm guilty!

snip... ...

d: I, for one, have already tried to turn myself in to the FBI. As you recall, I called the Medford Resident Agency, and offered to assist them in their investigation. Not only did they not want to hear my confession, but they weren't interested in questioning me, nor even in talking to me! After a month, no Special Agent has shown up at my door!

d: Now look, I have waived all my 5th amendment rights! I confess! I have ridiculed you, blocked your posts, libeled you, called you a fucking liar repeatedly, denied you your freedom of speech, and conspired with others to do all the above! Is there anything else? I confess to everything! I admit I'm guilty as a cat with canary feathers all over its puss! What more do you possibly need, bRaaay?

d: Now, where's my everluvven FBI agent, you bottom-feeding motherfucker?

rk: ATTN: FBI This post by digger constitutes a clear, unambiguous, and freely rendered public CONFESSION to the above charges, including the admission that he "conspired with others to do all the above!" (See above charges.) Such an unambiguous and direct admission of participation involving the "other members of the AFAB Bully group" in a CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL is an unquestionable FELONY which falls within your agency's investigative jurisdiction.

rk: FAILURE TO ACT UPON THIS CONFESSION OPENS THE FBI TO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION, INCOMPETENCE, AND/OR MALFEASANCE. What could possibly be the political circumstances by which you place the reputation of your agency in jeopardy by such a failure to act on this timely Constitutional FREE SPEECH issue? Why is the agency so deliberately bent on opening itself to PUBLIC SCANDAL AND RIDICULE through such a blatant demonstration of its failure to act in the performance of its sworn duties?

rk: As a retired police sergeant living on a pension from a California police agency, I find your agency's conduct in this matter to be unconscionable. It is as mind boggling to one interested in justice as it would be to perceive a murderer walk into your office,openly confess to a murder he has just committed only to be "kissed off" by the intake screening agent telling him "Don't bother me, can't you see I'm eating a "doughnut?" Is this laughingstock image really desired by any responsible law enforcement agency?

rk: A copy of this article is being posted to ALL appropriate political and general newsgroup including CONGRESS.

rk: We shall see how long a public agency can persist in avoiding the responsibility of performing its sworn duty! Perhaps it is time to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!

rk: I encourage all who are concerned with the quality of service now being provided by publicly funded governmental agencies which do not perform their sworn duties to contact their State Congressmen and Representatives, along with their local FBI office. INSIST upon a full accounting of FBI actions taken in the current open case of CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL submitted to the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI in November of last year (1997) by Raymond Karczewski.

rk: Perhaps it is time for CONGRESS to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!!

> dr. digger, BsD, PMAFA, HdPD, AAAA

http://www.skepticult.org

Member, Overseers' Cabal Of alt.paranormal (TINOCOap)

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Are you listening to the daily news.

Are you seething within at what you are hearing?

Does the statement "We're Mad As Hell and We're Not Going To Take It Any Longer" strike an emotional chord within your frustrated consciousness?

Want to head off this country's insidious yet unrelenting march toward a New World Order?

Do it with POTENT ACTION and IMAGERY!

The solutions are simple:

Utilize the POWER of BOYCOTT and ASSERTION OF CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHTS -- That's how to get the Politicians' attention.

Go to your Employer. Rescind your previous voluntary Witholding Tax agreement with him/her.

Demand your full day's pay for a full day's work.

Contact your Elected Congressional Representatives and demand that OUR government fund its operational activities with its own enormous monetary surpluses which have been gained through their investments of public tax monies as reflected within their Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports (CAFR).

Demand that our Elected Leaders withdraw this Country from membership in the United Nations.

Demand the removal of foreign troops from our Sovereign Land.

Bring our spread thin Military back from Foreign Land Deployment. Let Them protect their own countrymen here at home.

Demand a Return to an economy based on Real Money -- the Gold-Silver Standard.

Send the Federal Reserve packing. Get them out of our lives and pocketbooks.

Expose the National Debt as the Fraudulent Action that it is -- An action designed to enslave an entire population for generations to come through the illusion of credit/debt. Renounce the debt, NOW and for ALL time! End its strangle hold upon a previously sleeping, but awakening population.

Lastly, do give our elected officials ONE GOOD POTENT IMAGE TO PONDER.

Give them a PEACEFUL but MEMORABLE ONE MILLION ARMED MAN MARCH upon WASHINGTON DC.

For those unable to make it to Washington, organize and conduct a simultaneous peaceful armed march upon your State Capitals, County Governments and City Halls throughout this Nation carrying the placards "ARE YOU LISTENING?"

Isn't it time that the officials of a Government once declared to be OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE got the message!

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Gold and silver as a backing for money, is not a good idea, and has never really worked! Either the gold and silver producers hold the government hostage to "get their price," or the government fixes the price, upwards or downwards depending upon the political climate, making the holders thereof richer or poorer at whim! Gold and silver are commodities, and their use and price should be determined by market forces, not government edict!

Under article 1, section 8, clause 5, of the US Constitution, Congress can order the Treasury to create all the funds necessary to meet the government's needs! This is done by simply writing a bounce proof check and depositing it to the specific government account! This is debt free money, and it was used by the Lincoln Admnistration in the 1860's during the Civil War, after which there was no debt! This is not printing press money!

People must learn how money is created! Right now, only about 2% of our population understands, and the rest are in the dark, believing in all sorts of schemes, because the right concept of money hasn't been taught since 1913, when we got the unconsitutional Federal Reserve and IRS! If you don't believe me on this, I urge you to read page 11A of USA TODAY dated February 16, 2001! I can mail you a copy, if you wish! Just let me know!

The colonies were prosperous and had debt-free scrip, until the Bank of England had the scrip pulled, and debt money (backed by gold and silver) was introduced! The tea tax was introduced to pay the interest on the debt, and that started the Revolution! Read Ben Franklin on this!

Income tax was declared unconsitutional in the 1860's and 1890's, and was put in as a "voluntary" tax in 1913 (and it still is voluntary), as Amendment 16 allowed for a tax, but did not require one (and never was ratified)! It was all fraud!

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John P. Denton wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Hello John, Thanks for your input. I posted it on my bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch13.htm#Silver

At 06:27 PM 2/19/01 -0500, you wrote:

j: What do you mean by spiritual seekers?

rk: John, All are spiritual seekers who pass through life and face the unknown, the ineffable. Some are aware of it, most are not, even though they have an inkling of the "other." It is the process of making sense out of apparent senslessness. It ultimately leads to the Self-Realization that one is not their body nor their mind, but a spiritual essence housed in such a computerized (mind driven) vehicle (temple) on this gross level of vibratory existence.

j: I have my own views on this, and find that it is best to leave it out of political/ economic discussions!

rk: John it seems that you have drawn a line in the sand. It separates you from all else that lies beyond such an intellectually bound, arbitrary line drawn for the purpose of psychological security. That is where you will stay -- comfortable but limited in your present intellectual knowledge. With all due respect, John, such a state is understood by spiritual beings to be the state of human IGNORANCE. When you tire of such security, you will resume your long forgotten search. You, sir, like many, are a Christ with Amnesia.

j: Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion, and this country is made up of believers and non-believers!

rk: Freedom *from* something is no freedom at all. It is merely a dualistic reaction, an automatic response, an illusion.

j: The separation between church and state should be left intact!

rk: The church and state are merely the two major mind control institutions which rule civilized men; i.e., those who have "Fallen from Grace." They are two sides of the same coin of power. Such organizations are knowledge bound, therefore Satanic (The Opposer) in nature. They are the ruling Institutions of Hell here on Earth. They continue to exist only through the IGNORANCE of Man.

j: If it isn't, we can get into all kinds of biased opinions, religious wars, and state religions!

rk: As is its design. How do you think the few Satanic (Intellect Worshipping) leaders are able to rule the many?

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Jack Denton wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

At 07:49 PM 2/20/01 -0500, you wrote:

j: I was just amazed at your lashing out at me (and you don't even know who or what I am), when I was standing for the highest principles of our Constitution and of our Constitutional Republic, with equality for all, regardless of color, ethnic background, or religion! I was not being judgemental at all, but in fairness to all asked that the religious beliefs be left out of the political/ economic scene in this country!

John,

rk: How in the world did you perceive that I was lashing out at you? I suggest you reread our communication. If you felt wanting or hurt by such general comments, perhaps you ought to look deeper into your own psychological reactions to what was said, for they indeed are the only teacher you will ever need in life when observing matters and solving problems which are beyond the technical realm. You have already set a momentum revealing that you have a definite aversion toward "straight talk" and much prefer to engage in the frivolous hypocrisy of diplomacy. All anyone need do is to look to see where Diplomacy has taken our world.

rk: The fact that your comments were so rigidly set in conditioned beliefs gained over an admittedly lengthy period of time is the subtle, insidious incremental laying of an intellectual trap which ensnares most blind believers and holds them fast to their beliefs; i.e., "Sins of the Fathers visited upon their Sons." For many it remains with them from the cradle to the grave. It's called "unawareness." It's called enslavement to habit. It's called NORMAL.

rk: Forgive me, but your position on politics and religion resonates with the conflicted energy of a cliche oft spouted by damn near every bigot who is unaware of what he/she is truly communicating.

rk: I was speaking of the self evident "What IS"; that which is clear to anyone who is Spiritually sighted. You took it as a personal insult. I suggest you meditate on the elements of emotion and "self-judgment" which you are clearly demonstrating in this communication.

j: I am over 73 years old, spent many years in industry, international trade, the law business, lived and worked abroad, have been on radio and T.V., and have done work for law enforcement agencies! I will pit my background and education against anyone, even in the area of Constitutional law on which I am very clear, even according to others!

rk: You forgot to mention the violence of " prideful competitiveness" in your presently stated self-attributions.

j: My friends have many different religious beliefs, as do relatives of my family, and we are not critical nor judgemental of each other's beliefs in this area!

rk: That's quite NORMAL, isn't it? What you and yours fail to acknowledge are the contributions such NORMAL behavior have made toward ensuring that this planet remains a conflicted, violent, unbalanced, neverending HELL ON EARTH. Look at the present condition of human affairs. How do you think it got that way? By NORMAL people being NORMAL --That's how!

j: I happen to be a deep student of the Bible, and religious history!

rk: In other words, you place great store in the remembrance of the letter of dead words without the balance of perception which arises with one's direct resonance (understanding) with the spirit of the word.

rk: Didn't people possessed of such traits call an holistic Man of Truth some 2000 years ago a "blasphemer," then promptly string Him up for it? I am sure that if you had been there milling about in the crowd, you would have been hearing the same sort of rationalizing words coming from their mouth as are currently being expressed by you in this communication.

j: I do not, however, buy the beliefs of (mostly southern) religious fundamentalism, the few to be saved, the rest to be damned, etc., etc., all of which has had its greatest rise in the 20th century!

rk: I ask you, John, is it Christian-like or Satanic-like behavior which sets out to create such divisions? See what I mean about the divisiveness of blind belief? In the realm of dualism, opposites are alike. Christian? Satanic? After all, what's in a word? One must be free to observe the momentum set by the word and not get caught at the peripheral level of empty rhetoric.

rk: You see John, such bandying about of "empty" words at the peripheral level of dualistic consciousness does not engender love. It does not bring people together. Rather, it divides and creates neverending conflict, in spite of any wordsmith's talent for manipulation through positive imagery. Some call such Diplomatic behavior Hypocrisy, don't they?

j: This is exactly what caused the tragic Civil War between the states, and is what is dividing our nation again in this, the 21st century!

rk: Nah! Hatred and bigotry, power and exploitation has been and still is the cause of ALL WARS. This has been so since the earliest of civilizations. The word "Civilized" is an interesting word, is it not? We all know what it purports to mean, but what in fact does it actually produce? Can you envision the energy made manifest by the utterance of the word BASSACKWARD?

rk: I suggest you remove your historian hat and take another look at the BIG PICTURE at this, your senior stage of life. Then deeply, honestly, examine the energies within and without your beingness which tells the TRUE story of why civilized man is incapable of living in peace with one another on this planet.

j: To impose a particular religious belief on a country, or on others, is to invite disaster,

rk: Get serious, John. ALL Beliefs are hypnotically imposed concepts (ideas, reflections of What IS) from an outside authority. It matters not whether they are imposed by one's own acknowledged "authorities" (mind controllers) within one's own National boundaries or by coercive missionary work by "men of the cloth" who seek to convert and exploit whole cultures (other conditioned beliefs). Hell, isn't it?

j: even a church run state, and leads to wars of intolerance as history has recorded in the crusades, and in current times between those of the Judiac beliefs and those of the Islamic beliefs - a fight that has been going on for 5,000 years, yet both claim to be, or are, the sons of Abraham! And, neither side will ever have peace, until they recognize that they both have a right to believe in that which they feel that they have a right in which to believe! The Bible story of when Abraham and Lot separated, was about this very thing! "Let there be no strife between my herdsmen and your herdsmen, for we both are brothers!"

rk: Words are one thing. Actions, quite another, eh?

j: My reason for answering your email, may not be shared by others, and others may have dismissed your letter as one from a religious "zealot (or a zeal, but not according to knowledge)," to put it into more gentle language! But, I felt it right to handle your mistaken view of my stand!

rk: There is no zealot to be found in THIS embodiment of CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS. What you will find is BALANCE. You will also find a Mirror of Truth that reflects the inarguable WHAT IS. Such distilled reflection is sometimes quite shocking to the limited consciousness of conditioned blind believers.

j: By the way, I took a course in the history of religions taught by an Evangelical Reform Minister, in a Baptist College.

rk: In other words, you submitted willingly to such parochial CONDITIONING.

J: In the class of about 50 students, some were Baptists, some other protestants, two were Roman Catholics, and two were Christian Scientists! On top of this, I did other study for many years!

rk: In other words, you discovered temporary fellowship (commiseration) amongst other conditioned human beings who were equally "ignorant" of their True natures as CHRISTS -- Unbounded Children of GOD!

j; Please do not put any mistaken labels on me, as I would not do the same to you!

rk: There is no need for me to place labels on you. You have accomplished that yourself with your own words, have you not?

That, I believe, is the "Golden Rule," which is basic to Christianity!

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John Denton wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Ray:

j:This all started out as a political/economic matter involving our Constitutioinal Republic, and I responded thereto as a strict Constitutionalist, asking that religious beliefs be left out, and gave you the Constitutional reasons!

j: John Ashcroft,our new Attorney General, was grilled on the exact above point, and he promised to follow the Constitutional law as it is written, and not impose his own (religious) beliefs (a type of fundamentalism with which I disagree). Those who questioned him, took him at his word, and approved his appointment! For the same reason, I accept him as our Attorney General too!

j: In additiion to the above, I have a very good knowledge of economics and monetary policy (or, just money), as even others say about me! But, I do not buy the Greenspan views, a Federal Reserve, or an IRS! Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5, was put in the Constitution so that our government could produce its own money debt-free, and meet all of its needs without debt (bondage, and interest on debt)!

j: In the religious history class, going back before Christ Jesus, Judiasm, we were not told what to believe, or what to read and accept! The course was not taught from any belief or bias taught by any religious sect, not even Baptist! There was no hypnotic suggestion or mesmerism involved, and it did not change my basic Christian values or beliefs at all! The minister who taught the class, and I, had meetings after class for about a year, all the time asking me questions about my religion (which I answered)! Later, he became a believer in what I believed in, as he was healed of a very serious physical claim, that had him near death which was just minutes away! He was immediately restored to health, after his wife made one phone call! By the way, this happened in a hospital near St. Louis, Mo.!

j: I do not wear my religion on my sleeve, and I do not proselitize! If someone asks, I tell them in general terms, and sometimes the healings that I have had (which were impossible to medical belief)!

j: At this point, I just want to say, that if you tell me what religious group you belong to, I will immediately respond and tell you mine (and that is a promise)!

rk: So what you are saying in so many words, John, is: "I'll show you mine if you FIRST show me yours?"

rk: Seriously, John, we have yet to begin SERIOUS communication with one another.

rk: To give you a straight answer to your question, I belong to NO religious organizations. I have understood the EVIL of fragmented Living foisted upon civilized human beings through conditioned beliefs promoted by Hell-Bound, mind controlling Political and Religious Institutions.

rk: I have understood my True Sovereignty as a Human Being, a Son of GOD.

rk: I have transcended the prison cell of the Satanically-driven, time-bound, linear, dualistic, peripheral realm of Intellect.

rk: I understand the proper place of Intellect -- it being a linear computer-like instrument designed for use in TECHNICAL problem solving and COMMUNICATION with other Intellects.

rk: I understand the HELL that is created when such a mechanical, linear, limited, dead Intellect is misused when dealing with NONTECHNICAL, living, multidimensional, SPIRITUAL realms well beyond the Intellect.

rk: I understand, live, am atone with the NONDUALISTIC essence of INFINITE INTELLIGENCE, GOD, TRUTH.

rk: I do not Resist EVIL, I MIRROR it.

rk: I am NOT a CHRISTIAN -- I AM a CHRIST!

rk: Perhaps in the quietness in an *out of time* moment of NOW, you will grasp what I have just communicated NONDUALISTICALLY (in other words -- UNDERSTAND) .

rk: If you hear it through the time-bound conditioned noise of your own DUALISM-biased conditioning, you can be assured that you WILL NOT -- All you will experience is UPSET.

rk: Pay attention to your psychological reactions to such upset.

rk: You will find that upset is the only teacher you will ever need. What is the lesson it teaches? Is it not an alarm which warns one of the inherent limitations which rule the lives of the Spiritually Blind?

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Jack Denton wrote:

Ray Karczewski wrote:

Ray:

j: I firmly believe that all people have to work out their own salvation!

rk: Agreed!

j: I am a life long practicing Christian Scientist, and stayed with it through thick and thin!

rk: Look at your own term "practicing" Christian Scientist. Does not "practice" connote ritualistic repetition? One can only "practice" that which is mechanical, dead, lifeless, that which is technical in nature. One cannot "practice" life, the unknown, the infinite. One must LIVE it.

rk: The opposite of LIVE is EVIL. Certainly for EVIL to be sustained, it must be *practiced, ritualistically preserved.* That is the nature of indoctrination, of mind control. Look at how our political and religious leaders use the "privately owned" media in their implementation and sustenance of mind control techniques which form and reform public behaviors.

rk: Without such constant and incremental reinforcement, the hypnotic hold over the conditioned mass mind would disintegrate for lack of attention. John, I'll bet like most "politically/religiously correct" thinkers you weren't even aware of the deeper significance of what you were actually communicating with your use of the word "practicing." You've got the letter of the word down pat, but you have been desensitized from resonating with its Spirit. This is not meant to embarass you or any other, just to point out the level of consciousness you are operating from -- to wake you up to a level of consciousness well beyond the realm of empty "positive sounding" rhetoric.

rk: The Civilized world of man is ruled by such Satanic influences which hold fast and enslave the rigidly controlled consciousness of the masses while they divide themselves and bicker with one another, arguing endlessly over such petty, peripheral, empty rhetoric small talk. Subtle, but effective misdirection, is it not?

j: To me, God is good, and God is love! God is Divine Principal, the only Cause and Creator, and man is the image of God, the perect reflection of his creator, spiritual, but not Spirit, as God is Spirit (Gen.1). God is Elohim. Reality!

rk: When one can understand and live one's words, be atone with the Spirit of them, and not just spout them in rigid, rote fashion, that John is when one ceases to be a Christian and takes his rightful place as a CHRIST, a Son of God. Anything less is hypocrisy.

rk: From this moment forward, DO NOT LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, EXPLOIT, OR INITIATE HARM TO ANOTHER --- THEN SCREW THE RULES!! Then you too can say that you are "In this world, but not OF it!"

j: Gen 2, is the Jehovistic allegory of creation, where the Lord God made man of the dust of the earth, red dust meaning nothingness, matter as opposed to Spirit, that which has a beginning, sins, suffers, and is destroyed (dies) - dust returning to dust (nothingness)! Unreality!

rk: Why live in such mystically induced confusion? Open your Spiritual Eyes. Observe quietly, paying attention to the habitual responses which rise up within you because of your life-long political and religious conditioning. If you are honest with yourself, and not just some spiritual dilettante "practicing" at the moment when direct, nontechnical action is required , you will DO THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME, for you will resonate, be atone, with the unique nondualistic essence of TRUTH, of GOD, of INFINITE INTELLIGENCE.

j: That which is real, is incapable of discord and decay!

rk: You have just defined TRUTH, GOD, INFINITE INTELLIGENCE, John, have you not?

j: While here in this material state of things, we must do the best we can do, support good laws, and do away with bad laws, and obey the law, and the Constitution which is the law of our land!

rk; Someone once said "The Law is an ass." Such a statement says it all when one observes that only in the Civilized Society of mind controlled human beings, can such a BASSACKWARD structure which rules the lives of millions be founded upon the premise justice yet "in practice", seldom deliver it.

Jack Denton 02-21-01 @ 3:25 P.M.

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Robin Martin wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Thu Feb 22 05:34:13

On Wed Feb 21 23:15:58, Raymond Karczewski wrote:

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j: >>> I am a life long practicing Christian Scientist, and stayed with it through thick and thin!

rk: >> Look at your own term "practicing" Christian Scientist. Does not "practice" connote ritualistic repetition?

rm: > Nope. A doctor "practices" medecine, a lawyer "practices" law: both require attention to detail,

rk: Your examples point to activities which are clearly that of a knowledge based technical nature. As to attention to detail, is not such detail to knowledge appropriate when applied to technical areas but impotent and inappropriate when applied to the nontechnical, nonmechanical realm of life?

rk: I assert that experts (those who are highly focused in narrow knowledge-based technical/mechanical activities) are "in essence" UNBALANCED human beings. Expertise resonates as that of a narrowly-focused human being of whom it could be said has sold his/her soul for the petty rewards of celebrity, fame, wealth, status and/or prestige. Although highly adept in their chosen narrow sliver of life, the rest of their lives, beyond their particular narrow field of expertise, lay in shambles, confusion and unrequited desire. They, the experts, have made a bargain with the devil, have they not? And as such do receive their just rewards in this illusion based society. Hell, isn't it?

rm: > a deep understanding of what one is doing, the ability to see connections between seemingly discrete elements, and far more.

rk: I suggest real medicine, i.e. healing arises when the transcendent moment of insight comes in and builds a bridge from the point where knowledge ends. As far as lawyers are concerned, they represent the epitome of MIND CONTROLLERS. We seem to be discussing "apples and oranges," are we not?

rm: > Even an athlete is constantly paying attention to what s/he is doing while practicing, trying to figure out what will work best.

rk: Sorry, robin, but having been a professional athlete in my youth, I can safely say that you will find no greater technical "automaton" than one who is a highly-trained, finely-tuned athlete. They are the epitome of habit made manifest in human flesh. The champions are merely those who have pushed the envelope beyond the "norm." As to the diversion of sports as it stands in present day society, athletes are merely highly paid "icons" who provide an escape for spectating voyeurs who "identify" with such highly-honed technical/physical skills but, in themselves, lack the energy or motivation to participate in such activities. Such icons provide the spectators escapes from their own dulled, inertia-laden lives. Therein lies the secret of mind control used by the few to control the masses through the medium of sports and entertainment.

rk: >> One can only "practice" that which is mechanical, dead, lifeless, that which is technical in nature. One cannot "practice" life, the unknown, the infinite. One must LIVE it.

rm: > But one's practices, the things specific to a particular path in one's life, may require repetition.

rk: Such is the nature of mechanical and habitual patterns which arise from psychological and physical "conditioning." Do you not SEE the technical nature of these activities? All Intellectually aftermoment-based technical physical activities are mechanical, and are therefore DEAD. Technically conditioned automatons are in fact, the "LIVING DEAD", are they not?

rm: > Boredom is a recognized means of attaining altered states of consciousness, and repetition is a good way to allow the "practices" to become so automatic that one may perform them while simultaneously attending to the greater meaning behind them.

rk: Robin, your example cited above is merely self-hypnosis, i.e., reprogramming. Are you really that "unaware" of what you are expressing? As an aside, BOREDOM is life's wakeup call that one is deeply set in the inertia of habit. It beckons one to transcend their present psychological imprisonment. It is a wake up call.

rm: > Chop wood, carry water.

rk: Both technical, mechanical activities, are they not?

rk: > > The opposite of LIVE is EVIL. Certainly for EVIL to be sustained, it must be *practiced, ritualistically preserved.*

rm: > Hardly. The essence of evil is an uncaring, unattentive mentality: not taking into consideration consequences of one's actions, nor thinking of others.

rk: Such as one who is highly versed in the debilitating "warm and fuzzy" philosophies that pay so much lip service and require so much busy work, go-nowhere activities which destroy the spirit of self-reliance in individuals who've been pressured to doubt themselves, to conform, and replace it with the diminished codependent relationship of the "leaders and the led," The Blind leading the Blind. Forgive me, Robin, but your comments are telling the world more about yourself than you may have wished.

172.163.204.51 writes:

Raymond Karczewski writes:

c: Raymond, please clarify

c: R.K. "Let man not Fall for a New World Order. Let mankind Rise to a New World Consciousness!"

c: So much of what you say about ritual, the media, law, etc. is right on, however when it comes down to the nitty gritty details of your semantic distinction between between the New World Order and the "New World Consciousness," and how dualism fits into this distinction, I wonder if you really understand what you are saying any more than the brainwashed masses understand what they are saying. I do get the impression that that you are trying to make a profound distinction that spells out an alternative to the NWO, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt given the inherent limitations of the context of your distinction. What I want to bring your attention to is the fact that the the voices of the NWO order that you deride use the exactly the same kind of metaphors to represent the unity and order of all things as you use, therefore, unless you can conceptually frame your distinction between the NWO and the "New World Consciousness," in more terms that relyon verifiable, observable physical things and events rather than mystical metaphors, there really isn't any way to tell the difference between what you are advocating and what you are criticizing.

c: Thanks in advance.

Curious

rk: Quite frankly, "curious," it would appear to be your lack of discernment which lies at the heart of your lack of understanding. I am sure you have heard the adage, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink."

rk: Or that "it is folly to have another chew one's food yet expect to receive full nourishment from the process."

rk: The fact that you claim to be unable to distinguish the essence of my words from those of New World Order folks deals directly with the confusion/suspicion within your dualistic intellect, not mine.

rk: In your own words you say, "I wonder if you really understand what you are saying any more than the brainwashed masses understand what they are saying." Yet the source of your "wonder" is clealy an issue of your own self-doubt. Why not express your evidence for such doubt on these forums openly and freely?

rk: Why not reveal the source of your skepticism regarding any lack of understanding you perceive regarding my manner of expression. Then perhaps we can go from there and engage ourselves and others in serious dialogue. But then, that would require that you also open yourself to inquiry. It is easy, is it not, to give another the "benefit of the doubt" without ever saying anything yourself about the source of those doubts.

rk: People who use this kind of technique cause "red flags" to emerge within the consciousness of the "aware." The "antenna" of the aware go up. The "aware" become highly sensitive to those who would ply others with terse one-liner question which require reams of answers. Some call such behavior trolling. When the troller receives their answer, they set about to pick apart every little "jot and tittle" piece of minutia they can manage to glom onto for the purposes of initiating misdirections or inflicting personal attacks upon another's character and reputation.

rk: Hell, such anonymous, slick-talking, fork-tongued government/media sponsorted/supported disinformation agents who prowl these newsgroups/forums have made such techniques into a veritable disinformation art form. Think not? Put it to the test. I invite you to visit my bulletin board at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm and gather samplings of these very techniques by reading the articles which are marked by ***!

rk: When I read something addressed to me by another who lacks the integrity to back up their words with their true name/identity, all I can do is mirror such "suspect" activity. If you do not have the courage to reveal your identity, I see no purpose in participating in such a relationship short of exposing its spirit of Intrigue. Look at the energy manifested in the VAST MAJORITY OF these Internet newsgroups/forums. You will find the insanity, inanity, mischief, intrigue, and yes, the dark spirited viciousness which is responsible for making human civilized society a HELL ON EARTH.

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Saw you're trying to hawk your vanity essay.

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:36:01 GMT

From: The real reviews are telling: plagiarist (unknown)

The difference between the ludicrously overblown "publisher" review (SHAME on you Ray for being such a liar)and the real reviews is very telling. Not only do you lie about your "publisher" but you rip off books because you can't put an 80-page pamphlet together with your own ideas. And you're telling other people not to lie, cheat, and harm anyone else? Filthy plagiarist. You deserve every bit of scorn you receive

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Ray you filthy plagiarist, think your own damned thoughts

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:39:22 GMT

From: Art Bell, Krishnamurti, & Roy Masters (unknown)

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The telling thing about Ray's plagiarism

Re: Ray you filthy plagiarist, think your own damned thoughts (Art Bell, Krishnamurti, & Roy Masters)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:23:59 GMT

From: What an a**hole (unknown)

The telling thing about Ray's plagiarism is that the original sources all were published and/or had some following based on the force of their words and personality. Ray, however, is so thoroughly lacking in understanding of what he's ripping off and such a f**king bad writer that he can't get a publisher to touch his crap and can't unload it once he pays to have a vanity press copy the pamphlet. Ray's explanation: the New World Order is out to destroy him because he poses such a danger to civilization. That and, of course, the AFAB/ROYBOT/government disinformation campaign. What an a**hole.

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hta's what that lame-ass "mirror" crap is all about. Re: Ray you filthy plagiarist, think your own damned thoughts (Art Bell, Krishnamurti, & Roy Masters)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:00:05 GMT

From: Ray trying to justify theft. (unknown)

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Frauds like Ray are the logical result of Clinton culture

Re: Ray you filthy plagiarist, think your own damned thoughts (Art Bell, Krishnamurti, & Roy Masters)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:29:27 GMT

From: All lies, all fraud, all the time (unknown)

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KILL ALL DISSENT RAY. GO MAN GO!!

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:26:56 GMT

From: Karczewski means pure disease (unknown)

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Don't say this to Ray. He'll actually do it.

Re: KILL ALL DISSENT RAY. GO MAN GO!! (Karczewski means pure disease)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:30:46 GMT

From: He's planning an armed march (unknown)

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Clap AGAIN Ray? Stay away from farm animals then.

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski) Date:

Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:01:36 GMT

From: Didn't you learn the firstseveral times? (unknown)

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I did not have sex with that sheep...Ms. Peggy Ewe

Re: Clap AGAIN Ray? Stay away from farm animals then. (Didn't you learn the firstseveral times?)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:09:05 GMT

From: Ray "Clinton's got nothing on me" K (unknown)

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Another proud day for the Karczewski clan.

Re: LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME!! I"M BLOODY DESPERATE FOR ATTENTIO (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:55:01 GMT

From: God Ray, you're a shameless wanker (unknown)

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I LIVE TO HATE I HATE TO LIVE

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:07:41 GMT

From: Raymond Karczewski (unknown)

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We know you creep. Shove your toxic meglomania.

Re: I LIVE TO HATE I HATE TO LIVE (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:30:34 GMT

From: You're a tax parasite devoid of value (unknown)

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Problem is Ray is completely without any skills whatsoever

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:42:36 GMT

From: He couldn't get a job pumping gas (unknown)

He's been a parasite all his life, and knows nothing about work, responsibility, and reflection. Any remarks about professional activity must be utterly lost on him. Limit yourself to remarks about janitorial service orp umping gas and he might just understand. But I doubt it.

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Ray you crazy bastard, still at it are you?

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:14:44 GMT

From: Amazing mania for self-humiliation (unknown)

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Christ, you're a sick joke

Re: Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:40:53 GMT

From: Last thing you are is holy (unknown)

Just because you've completely wasted your life and never got even minimal education doesn't mean that anyone with skills, training, and some contact with the real world is "unbalanced." It's a pathetic attempt to glorify your ignorance and alienation into some self-proclaimed holy rage. Cram it you a**hole. The last thing you'll ever be is holy.

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Friday, 23-Feb-01 16:46:35

172.162.198.158 (Face in the Crowd) writes:

Raymond Karczewski Writes:

fitc: Looking at your most recent post, I'm just reminded of the behavior of children getting into a schoolyard brawl. Both children wind up being wrong, but that can be expected of emotionally and immature children.

rk: Why should your perception of that post not remind you of children? After all, those unable to see clearly must work out life's problems with the limited intellectual tools they possess.

rk: The Spiritually Sighted SEE. The Spiritually Blind THINK.

rk: Remembrance is of memory, of the twisting, distorting, violent, opposing, Satanic Intellectual Realm. It is of the past, the aftermoment, wherein the living moment of NOW is cluttered and covered with the debris of conditioned judgements which make up the Satanically-ruled (Opposing) dualistic content of consciousness possessed by those who can be said to be the LIVING DEAD. Hell, isn't it?

rk: Your corrupted view of an actual moment overwhelmed by your own parochial judgment speaks rather eloquently for itself, doesn't it? Red flags pop up when attempts at judgment of others are framed in the obvious lack of integrity of one who would do so while deliberately remaining cloaked in anonymity himself, eh, "Face in the Crowd?"

rk: Though you present yourself as an adult, your actions are those much like a precocious child who has learned to *talk the talk,* but has not yet learned to *walk the walk.* Whatever misdirection you may weave with your talent for words, you are nevertheless still a Spiritual Child, for it is quite clear that you have not the eyes to see and understand the plain Truth which is presented before you.

rk: There's no schoolyard brawl going on here but for your own skewed, personal spin, "Face in the crowd." For any kind of brawl to take place, resistance by both participants must be present. I have not resisted the cowardly anonymous disinformation bully who goes under many names, many aliases -- I have merely exposed the corruption within him and those who identify with him.

fitc: What worries me is that, when you look at how the same thing goes on among adults, it gets all the more dangerous because of the assumption that people who are physically mature and have some degree of education, they are emotionally mature.

rk: All who live life filtered through their parochially conditioned minds are spiritual children who like to play "PRETEND" -- BAR NONE!

rk: Pretense is the very nature of HYPOCRISY!

rk: Pretense, deception, intrigue, power are all based in the Satanically-Driven Conditioned Intellect of corrupted Spiritual Children who have yet to GROW UP! Hell, isn't it?

fitc: I've seen atheists and theists and Republicans and Democrats and every ism against every other kind of true believer ism getting into childish arguments over who is better than who.

rk: What else can be expected from corrupted Spiritual Children trained to live in their Satanically-ruled Intellects? How long must it take before man's "Fall from Grace" is understood by the masses, and a return to the Christ State, the nondualistic Wholeness (holiness) of Consciousness that is the True Estate of the Children of God, is made manifest on this planet?

rk: In this post you will notice that I have not, at least until this very "moment," used the term IGNORAMUS. Instead I have used the term Spiritual Children. Both the IGNORAMUS and the SPIRITUAL CHILD share the same resonance of spirit -- that of limitation, of ignorance of what lies beyond their parochially-conditioned consciousness.

rk: I am sure that many who railed at the term IGNORAMUS and find such term insulting, have accepted the term SPIRITUAL CHILDREN much easier to pridefully swallow.

rk: A child is naturally expected to be dependent -- the adult, independent. Look at our nation, our world. Are we a nation of Sovereign human beings standing on our own two feet, or are we aged children who have been made to be codependent upon each other and our "leaders" who can clearly be seen to be the "Blind leading the Blind.?"

rk: Now the question I would pose for the Spiritually non-sighted, but Intellectually prideful is: Why are you insulted by the word IGNORAMUS yet accept the term SPIRITUAL CHILDREN? The essence or spirit of the Truth found in both terms, remains the same. There are many ways to speak the Truth. Why is civilized man's world ruled by quibblers who function at the letter-of-the-word level while they misdirect others from the spirit or essence of the word? Do you see how you can be manipulated, how your minds can be controlled through the use of rhetoric?

fitc: The fact is that adults are much more dangerous because guns are available to them that aren't available to children.

rk: You haven't been reading the recent news, have you? Whether five or fifty years old, Cops & Robbers, War, and Monopoly still remain the favorite games of SPIRITUAL CHILDREN, don't they?

fitc: To a lot of adults, the Second Amendment is the most important part of the Constitution, yet these same people will go out and fatten the walllets of weapons merchants who could care less about about wallets. It only goes to show that you should pay more attention to what people do than to what they preach.

rk: See above comments about Cops &Robbers, War, and monopoly!

rk: Oh anonymous masked one who calls himself "Face in the Crowd" and refuses to stand on his own two feet as an integral human being by backing his words up with his true identity, you may regard yourself as just another lost soul who shares the same leaking boat with the *cheap shot-taker* wearing the mask "Last thing you are is holy (unknown). SEE BELOW.

rk: Your dualistic choice, however, of seeing yourself as an IGNORAMUS or as a SPIRITUAL CHILD is entirely up to you.

Friday, 23-Feb-01 21:22:45

172.162.255.45 Face in the Crowd writes:

Raymond Karczewski write:

Agents of the NWO have infiltrated every religion, every group, every church, every organization, every branch of government. They are all around you. They use your own words against you, psychologically. Forget the piety. Deassimilate and join the underground.

http://www.geocities.com/carriedrake_2000/AssimilationDualismContradiction.html

Face in the Crowd

rk: What a impotent attempt at a preemptive misdirection!! You disinformation folks are getting rather frantic, aren't you?

rk: By the way, I see you are still hiding in the shadows of anonymity. No Name, No Email address to verify your identity. What's the matter, kitchen getting a little too warm?

Isn't it about time for you conniving yahoos to jump your sinking "ship of State?"

Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power

Friday, 23-Feb-01 23:08:12

172.162.248.44 writes:

fitc: rk, you completely miss the point, so I won't argue with you. Have a good evening.

Face in the Crowd

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:40:53 GMT

From: Last thing you are is holy (unknown)

unk: Christ, you're a sick joke

unk: Just because you've completely wasted your life and never got even minimal education doesn't mean that anyone with skills,training, and some contact with the real world is "unbalanced." It's a pathetic attempt to glorify your ignorance and alienation into some self-proclaimed holy rage. Cram it you a**hole. The last thing you'll ever be is holy.

rk: My, my, you're not only an anonymous coward, but an "unbalanced" one at that, aren't you?

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DOG SI IKSWEZCRAK DNOMYAR

Re: RAYMOND KARCZEWSKI IS GOD (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:15:40 GMT

From: Ray's "Salad" (unknown)

Congratulations Ray on making such an utter joke of yourself. This backwards spelling trick of yours ("The opposite of EVIL is LIVE": Christ Ray!) is the only original thing you've ever come up with, and it's surely pathetic. Have yourself tested for schizophrenia: your language is turning into "salad" (the term psychiatrists use to describe the degeneration of thought and language in schizophrenia).

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I don't consider this a joke

Re: How's that million armed paranoid-schizo march coming? (You and Anita have a nice time, you hear)

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:11:31 GMT

From: Where are the mental health authorities? (unknown)

People seem to take Ray as some stupid Internet joke, but this guy is real, and every bit as crazy as he seems from his posts. When he demands everyone as demented and enraged as he is take up guns and march on the government, the only reason we don't have openly psychotic people in the streets armed to the teeth is because they don't have the cognitive means to organize and effectively threaten entire populations. It is entirely possible though that Ray himself owns weapons, and given the extremity of his dementia, I don't think he's joking when he talks about arming himself and marching on cities to make people pay for his failures in life. People like Ray crack every day, and we see it in the news: why, when there are so many public indications of this man's dangerous and hate-filled nature, is he allowed to own weapons and to threaten people on a daily basis? One day Ray will be in the papers, and legions of people will come out and all say they knew it would happen one day: where are the mental health authorities in Oregon anyway?????

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Maybe this would finally get him locked up though

Re: How's that million armed paranoid-schizo march coming? (You and Anita have a nice time, you hear)

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:55:52 GMT

From: Someone's gotta get Ray off the streets (unknown)

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MNay God have mercy on you and your wife Raymond

Re: Agents of NWO are here (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:54:17 GMT

From: May both of you let go of evil (unknown)

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Advice for Ray:THINK CRITICALLY about what's on the net

Re: Idiotic site Ray. You have no critical skills at all. (Spare us your asinine behavior)

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:49:44 GMT

From: Think about what you read Raymond (unknown)

Ray, the Internet is full of traps for people who cannot read or think. The first thing I have my students do is go to a more or less infamous hoax website and have them evaluate it critically, and you'd be astonsihed by how many of the kids actually believe what's on that site. You see, ANYONE can put up a website. ANYONE. There are no qualifications either intellectually or in terms of evidence that people must meet before setting up a webpage, and that means the vast majority of what's on the net is fantastic nonsense meant to respond to people's personal psychological needs. The site you reference here is obviously a fantasy: no citations, no argument, no proof, no evidence, no reason, no argument, NO NOTHING. So why in the world would you take something so obviously lacking in evidence and fact at face value? That is surely the easiest way to get jerked around by other people's emotional baggage. Why would you think even for a minute that the fact someone has posted something on the web somewhere means there's anything underpinning what is said? Bad thinking.

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Yeah. All the problems in your miserable life stem from NWO

Re: Super post Ray! Thanks so much for your input! (Again, your comments are appreciated.)

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:33:04 GMT

From: Pathetic abdication of responsibility (unknown)

This is a pathetic abdication of personal responsibility on the part of someone who obviously never matured into self-control and reflection. To blame everyone but yourself for your own failings in life is the tactic of a child. Instead of making such a sick display of your own hysteria and hatred, get a job or find some way of spending the remaining days of your wretched existence that doesn't involve damaging other living beings. Do you even understand this concept of not damaging living beings, or is your own sense of well-being so wrapped up in destruction and rage that this never even occurred to you? I believe God sent you here to teach us something: hypocrites, hysterics, and frauds will ultimately get their come-uppance despite their lies and aggression.

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How's that armed kook march coming Ray?

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:14:21 GMT

From: No bounds to your disease (unknown)

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I seriously doubt Ray is capable of joy

Re: Cut a little too close that time I guess? (Instead of rage, find a reason for joy)

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:08:46 GMT

From: Sinful waste of human existence (unknown)

He's so driven to do harm he cannot see anything good, worthy, or beautiful. I;m sure he'll be this way until the day he dies. God have mercy on him. Ray will need it: choosing to live like a cancer in society is a sinful waste of human existence.

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We don't buy your mindless totalitarianism Raymond

Re: Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power

Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:06:32 GMT

From: Go peddle it elsewhere. (unknown)

You'll find no worshippers here Raymond, only a mirror reflecting the hatred, rage, and hubris you heap on everyone around you moment by moment. Look hard into the mirror of truth Ray: that twisted parody of a human image you see is what you've made yourself in your meglomania and bitterness.

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It's like you never matured past infantile narcissism

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:34:19 GMT

From: Shame on your parents (unknown)

Shame on your parents for raising such a low, self-absorbed misanthrope like you. The world will be better without you.

Reply

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:31:09 GMT

From: Matt (unknown)

m: different

m: In the churches case gaining intellect does not mean they oppose God (and/or truth) but are trying to better understand him to better serve him. In the Satanists case it does mean they oppose God and would like to overthrow him.

m: God and Satan are opposite coins of power, not the same. So are the institutions that respectively serve them.

rk: Sorry, Matt. Your lack of direct perception, substituted by your "conditioned" intellectual assessment, comes under the category of "Almost, but No Cigar." You have not reached the state of nondualistic Understanding, but have merely arrived at another everchanging, debatable, fragmented, conditioned intellectual conclusion. You're still dealing in fragments, while calling them the whole, are you not? Such is the corruption of the "unhealthy conditioned ego."

rk: You have not delved deeply enough within your core of being. Were you to have done so, IT (TRUTH, GOD, DIVINE INTELLIGENCE) would have allowed you to discover that you are still operating from within the dualistic realm of conditioned concepts; i.e., "Belief."

rk: Belief has always been the "Lazy, SATANIC (dualistic), fragmented Intellect's" substitution for the direct (holistic) resonance (ATONEMENT) with the unmistakable, unreplicatable, unique, nondualistic vibratory essence of TRUTH, GOD, INFINITE, DIVINE INTELLIGENCE, THE CHRIST STATE, etc.

rk: The essence of GOD, of TRUTH, OF CHRIST is nondualism. The essence of SATAN is DUALISM.

rk: Look deep within yourself. You will see for yourself, without having to codependently rely upon another (an explotive, robed expert who calls himself "PRIEST") to tell you, which essence dominates your present consciousness.

rk: Such out-of-time insight in a "MOMENT OF TRUTH" is the Spiritual Rebirth and ultimate Resurrection of the Spirit of TRUTH, of GOD within, the Return to Grace of those who have FALLEN and discover they CAN GET UP! It is the beginning of unbounded Intelligence in a Spirit which has been "raised from the confines of a *dead* intellect."

rk: You see, Matt, it has NOTHING to do with ORGANIZED RELIGION!

The following arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

Everything you say is derivative. Think for yourself Ray.

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:29:55 GMT

From: Bet you can't. Sincerely, Spoof (unknown)

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Stunning solipsism

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:21:07 GMT

From: You have no feeling or meaningfulthought (unknown)

You go out of your way to spam the Internet, but obviously the LAST thing you'd ever want is communication. Strange: people like you usually love to hear the sound of their own voices, and yammer on and on and on and on for hours. Do you do that too? O wait I forgot. Given you're all alone, with no friends, family, followers, or even anyone who at the same time has met you and will tolerate you even for a second, so you've got no voice to hear. Why not try LIVING for a change Ray. It must be hard to be so utterly dead in intellect and spirituality as you are.

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Spoken like the truly impotent

Re: Church and State: Two Sides of the Same Coin of Power (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:13:44 GMT

From: What a pathetic excuse for a man (unknown)

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How'd you so thoroughly lose control of your emotions

Re: different (Matt)

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:26:39 GMT

From: Anything there save rage and hatred? (unknown)

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