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Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:
Sheriff Dave H. Daniel,
rk: Here is MORE EVIDENCE for your investigation!!!
the following was cut and pasted from the JOCO SheriffsWatch Board http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JOCO_SheriffsWatch/
I have responded to the preemptive and ongoing attack upon my family and myself by sending it to you and posting it on the Internet via my WebSite page at http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
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From: "'Kathy Dean'" <kathylynndean@d...>
Date: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:00 pm
Subject: RE: (We Are Watching!) More copyright infringements
Hi to Everyone,
kld: > My darn satellite is down, so I am on dial-up. I had forgotten how slow it is. How quickly we get spoiled, right?
kld: > I want to apologize to everyone for not getting back to posted notes and ignoring the board, but yes, I have been having quite a few problems with Ray, as everyone knows.
rk: Your problem lies in your continuous preemptive smearing and libeling my reputation on a public forum,and not allowing me to respond to such vicious deceptions. You will note that I merely respond to what you have written. Ever heard of the "Chicken or Egg?"
rk: As you say above, "I have been having quite a few problems with Ray, as everyone knows/." Aside from uncontrollable, psychological/emotional guilt reactions to the simple Truth, what are these "problems" you speak of?
kld: > I never once responded to him in a two month period, thinking he would stop the stalking, but he only got worse.
rk: Then who is the author of all of these Character Assassination articles which continue to appear on the public JOCO SheriffsWatch bulletin board long after I was banned by you, and from which this particular post arises? Do you understand, kathy lynn dean, that Truth can never be overcome with BS? I do not preemptively write about you, I merely Mirror you and the slurs you preemptively write of my family and myself.
rk: For example, here is an article written by you in your own inimitable "poor me, poor me, the world is against me" rationalizing words for the WilliamsOregonNews.com justifying a masked litigious, predatory nature. http://williamsoregonnews.com/articles/index.cfm?artOID=113771&webpage=3948&cp=11044
Does it not establish a pattern of a seeker of litigation at the "drop of a hat?" Change the cast of characters in the Scruggs matter, insert the present cast of characters and VOILA!, you have a formula for feeding upon the substance of your neighbors, acquaintances, business associates\ -- well, you get the picture, and I am sure by now, so does everybody else.
kld: > The sentences he inserts between my e-mails were actually getting violent undertones to them, plus were not only complete lies, (I'm a Govt Agent working with the Sheriff as a Disinformation Agent, etc) he was also starting to threaten me in the notes.
rk: My words stand on their own, just as yours do. The "violent overtones" you speak of are your own psychological projections, are they not? You are learning the lesson of "Judge not Lest Ye be Judged. Hell, isn't it?
kld: > He also managed to get people that believe that he is Christ, to post personal information about me to their boards, too.
rk: Unlike others, I manage nothing. I speak the Truth and let the devil take the hindmost. It is the glitched consciousness of intellectual micromanagers/compulsive controllers who are compelled to interfere with the lives of others to escape managing their own who feel the pain of guilt which underlies their words. Hell, isn't it?
kld: > My phone number, address, fax number and things like that. The reason that I say they are people that believe he is really Christ, is because why else would someone do that? These are neighbors of mine, people that live in JoCo and know what Nick and I are going through. You wouldn't post negative information about a person you do not know, unless you really "believed in" the person giving you the information.
rk: Unless they themselves, ALSO see what lies behind the mask, eh? By the way, kathy lynn dean, by your own rationale stated above, HOW WELL DO YOU KNOW ME?
kld: > For an example of what I am talking about, go to:
http://www.budget.net/%7Eprimrose/CDS_htm.html#Folks
rk: Please do!!
kld: > I have not yet checked out Ray's site or any of the Google Sites, so I don't know what he has posted yet.
rk: If you have not checked my Site or Google's Site, then where are you getting your information? If somebody is supplying it and you blindly act upon it, does that not smack of Conspiracy? How does it sound to you?
rk: Why do you persist in such petty baiting? Hoping to trap one into litigation, are you?
kld: > He is asking to go back to jail. With his seven felonies and other numerous arrests, I did not want to have to go that route.
rk: BALONEY. Your words say one thing, your actions another. Sign of a HYPOCRITE, is it not?
kld: > I thought that he would just remove all his horrible lies about me from his other website and that would be it!
rk: And destroy evidence of conspiracy to libel with the feeble defense that the fruit of a crime can be copyrighted?
kld: > How stupid of me.
rk: By your words you indict yourself. Hell, isn't it?
kld: > As I have mentioned before, people around here are very scary, frightening and strange.
rk: The instrument of perception, the glitched, corrupted intellectual minds of hypocrites are "scary, frightening and strange." If that's what's operant in your consciousness, learn to live with it or get beyond it. Is not that the lesson to be learned? Some lessons are hard indeed. It has been said that it is not wise to fool with Mother Nature. It is infinitely unwise to fool with a simple man of Truth, a Christ, a "Mirror of Truth."
kld: > It is unlike anything I have ever seen before. They are "out to get you" even when you have done nothing to them.
rk: You are not aware of your actions and thus draw the necessary environment to you so that you may learn. Are you not the creator of your own reality and the co-creator of your life? Take responsibility for your own actions. I notice that you spin a web of servitude, demanding others do for you what you must do for yourself. You seem to have difficulty in discerning requests from commands when addressing others. An example of that can be found in the comment you made to my daughter Lisa when you said: "You sure failed badly at what I asked you politely to do." Ask yourself, was it a request or a command? You turn on anyone who does not comply with your "polite requests." Look at your railing against the alternative press. It does tell the story, does it not? These are signs of a compulsive, tyrannical micromanager, are they not?
kld: > I think a team of psychologists should do a thorough study of this area! Maybe these aren't really people, and I am in some "alien" village set up years ago.
rk: See what I mean?
kld: > It would explain the Sheriff Department, at least. Maybe the Aliens worship a Chicken God, and the guy who killed the Chicken God is from another planet that is anti-Chicken God worshipers. Ahhhhh.
rk: See what I mean?
kld: > Well, by me writing this note, it just gives Ray food for fodder.
rk: Remember, kathy lynn dean, you preemptively create the fodder? Why do you rail when the target of your attack merely points out the Truth? Are you learning the lesson yet?
kld: > Is that the expression? He will copy this, add comments between each sentence, then post it to his site plus literally dozens of web sites.
rk: You bet! As long as you are smearing my reputation and that of my family members, I shall indeed respond in defense of them and myself. What you seem to miss is that when a simple man of Truth, a Christ, speaks Truth to one, he speaks Truth to the whole world. It is that openness that becomes anathema to SATANIC ruled Intellects which expend an enormous amount of time, effort, and emotional energy telling others how they should live, when they don't have their own life in order.
kld: > If you want to see something pretty shocking, click on this:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=arkent3%2C+Ka
thy+Dean&btnG=Search You will probably have to hit the refresh button. I can't block him because he is posting the messages to hundreds of areas throughout the Internet.
rk: I do not post to 100's of areas on the internet, that is your own feverish, judgmental imagination running away with you again. What you see is the effect of search engine robots scouring cyberspace for data.
kld: > Or, if you really want to see something that will make you realize what a threat he is to me, just go to Google and enter "Arkent3" and see what you get! He must spent 24/7 at his keyboard! K.
rk: Where is the threat that my articles pose, especially when they are only responsive to your preemptive attacks?
rk: No, kathy lynn dean, that dog won't hunt.
rk: If the public really wants to understand what is going on behind deceptive fascades, they may read: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch105.html#JOSEPHINE
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From: paddymcpeak [mailto:paddymcpeak@y...]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:37 AM
To: JOCO_SheriffsWatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: (We Are Watching!) More copyright infringements
Hi folks,
pm: > Its been a while since I have posted, things have gotten extremely busy this summer so it's been hard for me to get around to a number of forums and message boards. I did notice that you are still having trouble with Ray Karczewski, I guess ignoring him wasn't the answer after all. Apparently he is still collecting Kathy's posts and putting them on his webboard.
rk: BINGO!!! When was the subject of Raymond Karczewski IGNORED on the JOCO Sheriff'sWatch bulletin board ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JOCO_SheriffsWatch/ ) you now write to? What makes you think you can have it both ways -- Libeling and smearing another's reputation and not expect to be exposed at it?
rk: Do kathy lynn dean's supporters see what is really going on when some say: "I did notice that you are still having trouble with Ray Karczewski, I guess ignoring him wasn't the answer after all. Apparently he is still collecting Kathy's posts and putting them on his webboard."
rk: Did anybody pick up on the preemptive status of that comment? One cannot engage in conspiracy to libel, harrass, or stalk another and claim evidence of such crimes is suppressable by virtue of copyright.
pm: > After looking over the threads I've seen here, I took a look at his webboard and discovered that a lengthy post about cyberstalking that Kathy made to google was now featured on his site. http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch105.html#Web
rk: Readers, don't forget to look at: http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialch105.html#JOSEPHINE If you're going to get schnookered by a manipulative, schmoozy "poor me, poor me," helpless female icon of co-dependence, at least be cognizant of the "Big Picture."
pm: > I just took note of the fact that the post was marked "Do not reproduce" and since this guy is still obsessed with Kathy and this board, perhaps you will have to file another complaint.
rk: AND SAY WHAT? I LIBELED THIS GUY AND TOLD HIM NOT TO EXPOSED THE EVIDENCE OF SUCH LIBEL TO THE WORLD? BE MY GUEST!!
rk: You folks are a REAL PIECE OF WORK! With that dominant glitched satanic consciousness operant, no wonder our present world is in the shape that it is.
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
Note: The Following was excerpted from Rick Stanley's Newsletter, "the Scoop," dated July 26, 2004)
For those who have followed my writings for the last eight years on the Internet, you will now understand what has been going on as an incremental, unrelenting government/media sponsored/supported mind/control/disinformation campaign has been conducted against unwary users of the Internet. If you need more evidence, see "The Nobody and the Somebody -- The Christ and the Ignoramus" written Oct 10th, 2000 at bottom of this article.
It is my opinion that my personal experiences with the corrupt Josephine County, Oregon Court system and the bogus felonies unlawfully imposed upon a "living, breathing, flesh-and-blood, sentient natural man" who faced death through two hunger strike protests to challenge the Court's Jurisdiction exposed the evidence of a subtle take over by a "New World Order" court, one which bypasses Common Law and our U.S. Constitution. It exposed a court, now in place and firmly ensconced, which refuses to recognize and protect our Unalienable Rights as Sons and Daughter of God.
It explains the STONE WALL OF SILENCE erected by government since 1997 in response to my demand for an FBI Investigation into mind control/disinformation experiments being conducted upon unwary users of the Internet.
It explains the inertia of public officials.
It explains the malfeasance of public officials, from the highest offices in the land to the lowest, to cover up and NOT DO the job they have sworn an oath of office to do.
It explains the censorship and shutting down of my website on the premise that evidence of a Crime can now be protected and suppressed through copyright infringement laws.
It explains the recent Public Relations Misdirection now underway on the Internet which serves to obfuscate the increasing exposure of mind control/disinformation provocateurs whom have infiltrated and used the Josephine County Sheriff's Bulletin Board http://www.cyberhouse.org/public/phpbb2/index.php
and the JOCO Sheriff'sWatch Bulletin Board http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JOCO_SheriffsWatch/
Yes, my Brothers and Sisters who desire a return to the America known as the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" -- IT EXPLAINS!!!
The SOLUTION: BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Christ Without Amnesia
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A LETTER ADDRESSED TO "THE SHEEPLE" -FROM "THE GLOBALIST NEW WORLD ORDER"*
(some years ago)
Dearest Citizen of the World,
I believe the time has come to reveal to you some of the perplexities you have faced in recent decades. It is well for you to understand some of these things so that you might know how to behave in the New Order now taking shape on the earth. We want you to be able to become fully involved and integrated into our new society. After all, this is for your best interest if you will do.
First of all, it is well that you understand some of our purposes so that you may more fully co-operate. I cannot tell you the hard times you will face if you resist us. We have ways of dealing with resisters. I am only telling you this now, since it is much too late to turn things around. The days of putting a stop to us have long since past. We have full control of the earth and its finance, along with the major media propaganda, and there is simply no way any nation or power can defeat us. We have eyes in every level of government in every nation of the world. We know what is being planned, for our ears and eyes are ever present. State secrets are fully known to us.
China recently accused the media in the U.S. of lying about Kosovo. Oh, you silly people, of course we lie. In this way we can keep the people unbalanced and always facing controversy which is very helpful to us. Have you not seen the talk show spectacle? Some of you believe we are the liberals and the good people are the conservatives. In reality, both serve our purposes. Each camp merely serves with the stamp of our approval but they are not allowed to present the real issues.
By creating controversy on all levels, no one knows what to do. So, in all of this confusion, we go ahead and accomplish what we want with no hindrance Consider the President of the United States. Even though he regularly breaks every known check on his power, no one can stop him. He goes ahead and does whatever we want him to do anyway.
The Congress has no power to stop him. He does what we want since he knows if he does not, because of his rather dark character, we can have him removed in a moment's time. Is not that a rather brilliant strategy on our part? You cannot take us to court because you can't see us and the courts are our servants as well. We run everything, yet, you do not know who to attack. I must say this hidden hand is wonderfully devised and without any known historical precedent on this scale. We rule the world and the world cannot even find out who is ruling them.
This is truly a wonderful thing. In our media we present before you exactly what it is we want you to do. Then, as if in a flash, our little servants obey. We can send American or European troops to wherever we like, whenever we like, and for whatever purpose we like, and you dutifully go about our business. How much more evidence do you need? We can make you desire to leave your homes and family and go to war merely at our command. We only need to present some nonsense to you from the president's desk or on the evening news and we can get you all fired up to do whatever we like. You can do nothing but what we put before you.
YOUR VAIN RESISTANCE
When any of you seek to resist us, we have ways of making you look ridiculous as we have done with your militia movement. We have delighted to use this movement to show the world how impotent any resistance is. They look so silly marching around with their guns as if they were some match for our military. Look at what we did near Waco. Did the Davidian's little store of weapons help them? We have generously taxed you and used that money to make such sophisticated weapons you can in no way compete. Your own money has served to forge the chains we bind you with, since we are in control of all money. Some of you think you may escape by buying some land in the country and growing a garden. Let me remind you that you still pay us ground rent.
Oh, you may call it property taxes, but it still goes to us. You see, you need money no matter what you do. If you fail to pay your ground rent to us, we will take your land and sell it to someone who will pay us. Do you think we cannot do this? And with your ground rent we pay for the indoctrination of your children in the public schools we have set up. We want them to grow up well trained into the system of our thinking. Your children will learn what we want them to learn, when we want them to learn it, and you pay for it through your ground rent.
Those funds are also used for other projects we have in mind and our contractors are paid handsomely for their work. You may doubt that we own your children, or have such control, but you will find that we do. We can declare that you abuse your children when you spank them and have them confiscated. If they do not show up for school indoctrination, we can accuse you of neglect, thereby, giving them to us. Your children are not yours. They are ours. You must inoculate them, you must bring them to our hospitals if we decree or we will take them from you. You know this and we know this.
Through our electronic commerce we are able to see where you are, what you are buying and how much you have to buy things with. Where do you suppose we come up with our monthly financial statistics? Through the Internet and other sources we can even know how you think and what you say. It is not especially important to us what you believe as long as you do what we say. Your beliefs are nonsense anyway. But if you think you have a following, and we perceive that you might be somewhat dangerous to our agenda, we have ways to deal with you.
We have a Pandora's box of mischief with which to snare you. We can have you in court so long you will never get out. We can easily drain away all your assets over one pretext or another. We have an inexhaustible fund with which to draw from to pay our lawyers. These lawyers are paid by you in the form of taxes. You do not have this vast supply of wealth. We know how to divide and conquer. Have we not brought down rulers of countries through our devices? Do you think your tiny self will be any match for us?
YOUR VAIN ORGANIZATIONS
And, let us consider your religions and the "moral majority." The "moral majority" is neither moral nor is it in the majority. We have delighted to use this wet noodle of a movement to make ridiculous the Christian faith. The silly men who run that organization always end up with egg on their faces. We have always put them in defense of themselves as we have so successfully done with the NRA. We can make it seem by our media propaganda that the National Rifle Association is actually the New Radical Attackers. Have we not turned the American conservative movement on its ear? If it serves our purposes we can use the conservatives to turn the liberals on their ear.
It makes no difference to us but it serves to make you believe there are two sides struggling for their particular position. This helps to make things seem fair and free since everyone has a voice. Actually, there is only one side now with all kinds of masks on, but you are unable to penetrate our purposes. You see, we can do whatever we like and you can do nothing about it. Does it not seem reasonable that you simply obey and serve us?* Otherwise, you get eaten up in the resistance you suppose will liberate you. You cannot be liberated. Imagine how you can.
We supply your fuel for your cars. We can turn it off whenever we like claiming that there is some sort of fuel shortage. What if your car breaks down? You cannot get parts for it without us. We supply all the money you use. At any whim of our desire we can stop the money supply or cause a complete crash all together. We can then order the president to declare all money worthless and that we will have to have new money. All of your stashes of cash will go up in smoke in a moment's time. Don't you need food? If necessary, we can cause a trucker's strike which would stop deliveries of food to your local store.
We can starve you whenever we like. You only have food because we have provided it to you from our table. During the great depression we controlled the food. We heaped mountains of food behind fences and let it rot. The hungry were then made to work in our labour camps even though there was enough and more to feed them. Do you really think you can beat us? You say you will hoard gold coins so you will still have money in the time of the crash.
We can simply pass a law which outlaws the possession of gold as we have done in the past. If we find gold in your possession, we would simply confiscate it and put you in prison for breaking the law. While in prison you would be required to work in one of our prison industries. We have so formed a picture of the labor camps in our prisons these days that no one seems to object to them. We tell people that murderers should pay for their own keep. No one seems to consider that we have the power to put tomato growers there also. We can pass laws that prohibit gardens and then make up some scientific reason why you may only buy food from our sources.
If someone sees you growing tomatoes, they will report you to us and then we will have you in our fields working for us. Oh, silly nationalists, there is no escape for you, for since long before you were born, we were planning your capture. Your teachers and ministers have been forming your thoughts for us for generations now. You have no idea how to pull out of our influence short of suicide. Go ahead and commit suicide, it will only help us to deal with the excessive population. You cannot hurt us, find us, or even imagine what we are up to. I am throwing you these few crumbs only so that you may, if you have a little good sense, obey and follow our orders.
YOUR CONTROLLED MIND
We run Hollywood. The movies such as Terminator and Armageddon, along with a great host of others, were simply created to get you thinking according to our directions. You have been made to delight in violence so that when we send you off to kill some bad man we have put before you, you move without a whimper. We have placed violent arcade games in your malls to prepare your young minds in the art of battle. We have made you to view our armies and police as the good forces and you submit to things that were unthinkable just a few decades ago. Our artful programs, are all designed to help you submit and even help the New World Order. Star Trek, and other such creations, have taught you to simply obey orders from the new international rulers.
Oh, silly people, you thought you were being entertained, while you were actually being educated. Dare I use the words, "brainwashed" or "mind control?" By the way, have you seen the new Star Wars? What a masterpiece of mental manipulation. Humans confer with nondescript beasts of all shapes and sizes and they confer in English. I wonder where those space beasts learned English. Oh, the simpleness of the mind of the citizen. He never considers he is being taken into fairyland. We have placed advertisements for Star Wars almost everywhere you go. You will find them in Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Taco Bell and a host of our institutions of commerce.
There is something we want you to learn from this movie. Or, perhaps it could be said, there is something we do not want you to learn, from Episodes 4-6. Either way, we will have what we want in the whole affair. Of course, to keep you off guard we have instructed our elected officials to appear to be correcting the evil of our violence. President Clinton is now speaking against violence in Hollywood movies. This will not solve the problem, but will only make the people believe the problem is being worked on. Sex and violence are the very best powers to use to help us gain our advantage.
How the people loathe to give up their sex and violence, so we place all they want before them. In this way, we keep them so occupied they do not have the integrity or brain power to deal with the really important matters which are left entirely in our hands. President Clinton has been very helpful to us. We knew of what character he was before we placed him as president. Exposing him was very helpful in adjusting the moral habits of the youth downward.
This is to our advantage. Even more agreeable to us were the vain efforts of those who thought they could remove him against our will. He is useful to us and he will not be removed by anyone until we are ready to have him removed. Excuse me if I seem to be mocking your system of beliefs, but they are rather outdated. Have you no eyes to see your vain liberties and your righteous pontifications are nothing before us? You can only do what we say you can do. We remove presidents when we are ready and the leader we set up will be there until it serves us to have another. At that time we place our proposed leader before you and you vote for what we want. In that way we give you the vain voting exercise in the belief you had something to do with placing your president in office.
We use the nations for what we want to use them for. Everyone knows that they must yield to us or die. Fortunately, we have had a few resisters such as Saddam and Milosevic that have been helpful in showing the world leaders what we will do to them if they do not submit. There is only glory in following our purposes and doing what we say. If one does not, there will be such a sad and tragic result. I would really have you spared of such an end. But, then, again, if you are not spared, it is of no consequence to us. We will use you to alleviate some of the overpopulation problem.
YOUR SILLY REBELLION AGAINST OUR DOMINION
Some of you have thought you could stop us by placing a bomb in one of our abortion clinics or in a government building. Silly souls! How can that hurt us? All that does is give us an example to use so that we might place more controls and heavy burdens on the population. We love it when you rebel and blow something up. You are our reason for making more laws against all those things which might contribute to your freedom from us. If someone did not blow something up on occasion, we would have no justification in placing more hedges about you.
Can't you see how impossible it is for you to resist us? The more you wriggle, the more we squeeze. Our kingdom is the kingdom of money. Excuse me but I must confess that we are the rulers of the kingdom of non-money. You must see the humor in that statement. We have given you a piece of paper or some numbers on a computer screen that we have termed money. It is backed up by nothing and proven by nothing but what we say it is. We create it from nothing, we print it, we loan it, we give it its value, we take its value away. All things that have to do with money are in our hands.
Think of it, what is it that you can do against us without money? If you try to resist, we can cancel your credit or freeze your accounts. Your cash is easily confiscated. We have made so many rules in the realm of living that you cannot live without money. Camp on government land and you must move in two weeks. You cannot grow much of a garden in two weeks. Many of our wilderness trails are entered by permit only. We have passed laws that do not allow you to live in trailers over a certain period without moving to another location. Have you not thought it ridiculous that we will allow a man to live in a box full time but we will not allow a man to live in an RV full time unless he is in a taxpaying campground?
OUR UNFATHOMABLE MYSTERIES
Our recent war in Serbia has many purposes to it but we do not speak of these things openly. We let the talk show hosts blather all sorts of nonsense but none of it touches the core. First of all, there is a wealth of natural resources in Kosovo that we must have complete control of. Kosovo has large supplies of uranium in its soil and uranium is very helpful to our regime. Also, it suits us to keep all such minerals out of the hands of
potential enemies. Milosevic has not been helpful in giving those resources into our hands so we simply make things difficult for him until he does.
Even now victory over Yugoslavia is imminent. We are reducing that proud nation to the level of humility we require from all people. After the war, if Mr. Milosevic does not sufficiently humble himself, we will take him to the world court charged with war crimes. We made up that term; rather ingenious, don't you think? How could there be such a thing as a war crime? The very nature of war is that the rules are off. It is so entertaining to
watch the nations try to fight war according to the laws we have placed before them. The only war crime there really is only involves the crime of being against us. Anyone against us is violating our law. As you have seen when someone is for us we do not care what they do.
Was not Nelson Mandela a bomb-toting terrorist who killed many of his enemies? We made a hero of him. We observe no laws when it comes to war. We do what we want, when we want and where we want. We can starve nations to death, we can ruin civilians and any other horror for which we would take our enemies to court. Look at our example. We bomb Serbia out of its wits, bomb Kosovans out of their homes, poison their rivers and streams, turn off their electricity making a grand crisis in that country, and then we masterfully make it appear it is all Mr. Milosevic's fault and he needs to go to court for it. It is the same way we made our inferno at Waco look like Mr. Koresh's fault.
Then there was our chief villain, Saddam with all of his weapons of mass destruction. Bad men are a dime a dozen and we can conjure one up whenever it suits us. This is really quite funny when you think of it. I am not one who is usually given to humour, but I do catch myself laughing sometimes at the absolute absurdity of the notions we place before you and you readily accept. Do you wonder that the leaders of the world tremble at our presence?
They know they have no power except the power we give them. We have no fear of Russia or China for we are already in full control of their system of things. China knows that we can freeze any number of its corporations in America and all of its capital at the stroke of a pen. We want you to be in the system. When you are buying a house, we not only receive the tax revenue to use for our purposes, but we gain large increases from the interest on the loan.
You may pay for your house two or three times over from the interest alone. The interest is also taxed which is again placed for use in those sectors of influence we choose. We do not want you to escape free and that is why we have made it as we have. You are our property. We will not permit you to buy or sell unless you submit to our mark of authority. If you go to court against us, we will wear you out there and in the end you will lose. If you use violence, we will end up having you in one of our labor camps, more specifically called prison industries. You need our money, our entertainments, our fuel, and our utilities to function and if you don't have them, you feel deprived. By this, you are made to yield to our will.
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*not a real letter- for the purpose of information only.
Sorry- no link...
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harry
harrymobley@sbcglobal.net
my group- Reality 101:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reality101/
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NOTE: Actual Interchange with Government/Media sponsored/supported mind/control/disinformation agents on the Internet. See any similarity in the arrogance behind the (Satanic) Image? Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
Re: The Nobody and the Somebody -- The Christ and the Ignoramus
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:08:38 -0800
rk: >> It is this "unawareness" that has allowed the few to rule
the many since the dawn of Civilization.
vg: This is called "oligarchy", or "rule by the elite". It's
supposed to be this way, and I am fully in favor of it. People
like me rulepeople like you, because we are morally, mentally,
and physically superior, to you. Frankly, we couldn't care less,
whether you or anyone else are aware of it, as you are far too
impotent to be able to do anything about it.
vg: Ever wonder why almost five years of your plaintive wailing
have had NO effect, whatsoever? Well, wonder no more, Fat Boy. We
know. You know. We know that YOU know, and now, you know that WE
know. We just don't give a shit. Your poor, minuscule intellect
cannot even comprehend its own insignificance. It's the old
"mind over matter" problem, we don't mind, and you don't matter.
vg: It's like this: If you were good enough, you'd be in charge
now.
vg: It's so simple, even you should have been able to figure it
out, before now, but you haven't.
--
V.G.
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Re: You Have a Right to Remain Silent! exerpt sent to Senator
Wyden's Office.
dr. digger wrote:
arkent@cdsnet.net (Raymond Karczewski) wrote:
rk: You Have a Right to Remain Silent!
d: Fuck that right! I'm guilty!
rk: What is this piece of advice? "You have the right to remain
silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of
Law....etc, etc, etc."
rk: Not only have the bullies not heeded this advice in the
ensuing months since the case was referred to the FBI, they trip
over each other in putting their damning statements in writing.
rk: What does it say about a predatory group which relies upon
outside intercessors to plead on their behalf to stop the present
Conspiracy to Libel investigation by the FBI when they themselves
spur each other on to increase the momentum and intensity of
their self-incriminating behavior?
rk: Considering the consequences which will result from their
prideful, irresponsible, and reprehensible behavior in this
matter, such continual "pushing the envelope" makes them
downright STUPID.
d: Ray! When you sent off for that matchbook-cover cluelessness
course, did you remember not to mail the matches?
d: I, for one, have already tried to turn myself in to the FBI.
As you recall, I called the Medford Resident Agency, and offered
to assist them in their investigation. Not only did they not want
to hear my confession, but they weren't interested in questioning
me, nor even in talking to me! After a month, no Special Agent
has shown up at my door!
d: Now look, I have waived all my 5th amendment rights! I
confess! I have ridiculed you, blocked your posts, libeled you,
called you a fucking liar repeatedly, denied you your freedom of
speech, and conspired with others to do all the above! Is there
anything else? I confess to everything! I admit I'm guilty as a
cat with canary feathers all over its puss! What more do you
possibly need, bRaaay?
d: Now, where's my everluvven FBI agent, you bottom-feeding
motherfucker?
rk: ATTN: FBI This post by digger constitutes a clear,
unambiguous, and freely rendered public CONFESSION to the above
charges, including the admission that he "conspired with others
to do all the above!" (See above charges.) Such an unambiguous
and direct admission of participation involving the "other
members of the AFAB Bully group" in a CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL is an
unquestionable FELONY which falls within your agency's
investigative jurisdiction.
rk: FAILURE TO ACT UPON THIS CONFESSION OPENS THE FBI TO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION,INCOMPETENCE, AND/OR MALFEASANCE. What could possibly be the political circumstances by which you place the reputation of your agency in jeopardy by such a failure to act on this timely Constitutional FREE SPEECH issue? Why is the agency
so deliberately bent on opening itself to PUBLIC SCANDAL AND
RIDICULE through such a blatant demonstration of its failure to
act in the performance of its sworn duties?
rk: As a retired police sergeant living on a pension from a
California police agency, I find your agency's conduct in this
matter to be unconscionable. It is as mind boggling to one
interested in justice as it would be to perceive a murderer walk
into your office,openly confess to a murder he has just committed
only to be "kissed off" by the intake screening agent telling him
"Don't bother me, can't you see I'm eating a "doughnut?" Is this
laughingstock image really desired by any responsible law
enforcement agency?
rk: A copy of this article is being posted to ALL appropriate
political and general newsgroup including CONGRESS.
rk: We shall see how long a public agency can persist in avoiding
the responsibility of performing its sworn duty! Perhaps it is
time to INVESTIGATE the INVESTIGATORS!
rk: I encourage all who are concerned with the quality of service
now being provided by publicly funded governmental agencies
which do not perform their sworn duties to contact their State
Congressmen and Representatives, along with their local FBI
office. INSIST upon a full accounting of FBI actions taken in the
current open case of CONSPIRACY TO LIBEL submitted to the
Medford, Oregon office of the FBI in November of last year (1997)
by Raymond Karczewski.
rk: Perhaps it is time for CONGRESS to INVESTIGATE the
INVESTIGATORS!!
Ray Karczewski
dr. digger, BsD, PMAFA, HdPD, AAAA
http://www.skepticult.org Member, Overseers' Cabal Of
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:13 am Post subject:
Great article...
How many more Rick Stanley's and Ray's must be persecuted before We the People wake up?
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"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson
By Raymond Karczewski
Following kathy lynn dean's face-saving spin on her JOCO Sheriff'sWatch bulletin board http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JOCO_SheriffsWatch/ while in the throes of "CYA" (government parlance) is the Peter D. Sparacino article dean has characterized as being a "misunderstanding."
May the People who still retain a modicum of discernment be the judge as to the sincerity of such apology.
Be that as it may, the "normalcy" sought by dean shall, I suspect, elude her in this instance.
Once she filed the false report with the JOSEPHINE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE and had a case number attached to it, and made it official, she and her conspiring/advising government/media, sponsored/supported disinformation agents sealed their fate.
She did something that until now, the government was able to skirt around through the tactic of STONEWALLING AND IGNORING. The government tactic was typical. They hoped the problem would go away and/or the collective conditioned A.D.D (attention deficit disorder) of the public-schooled, tv-watching, sports/sex addicted, narcotic/alcohol affected, conditioned, fleeting American attention-span would kick into gear.
There can be no turning back now for the Josephine County, Oregon Sheriff's Office without screams of COVER-UP resounding in streets of JOSEPHINE COUNTY, OREGON, and perhaps even in other parts of the country.
The Law is the Law. The Law must be followed. Unless, that is, there exists no actual law operating in our courts today, but only the "Color of Law," "the appearance of law," mere corporate policies which suffice to assuage the ignorance of psychologically conditioned voters and taxpayers (Read that as SLAVES).
The future course set by Sheriff Dave Daniel in this investigation of NATIONAL IMPORTANCE will indeed answer the question as to whether we as a Nation will survive as having a "Government Of the People, By the People, and For the People," or the death knell shall sound for the U.S. Constitution, expediting assimilation of a once free country into the New World Order. An order which cannot mask its feudalistic intentions to create a government of slaves, by slaves and for slaves.
Should the latter occur, MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON AMERICA!!
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
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From: "Kathy L. Dean" <kathylynndean@d...>
Date: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:30 pm
Subject: A Misunderstanding and Apology...
A respected member of our JoCo community, Peter Sparacino, thought that I had deliberately gone after him in a malicious manner. This note is to state that I am sorry that I put across that impression, it was never meant in that manner, and I am truly sorry that he thought I was doing this to him. I apologize, and I want to assure everyone, that I BACK people within our community that I know are good people, such as Peter, and would NEVER try to do something to either discredit them, or cause them harm in any way, shape or manner.
Peter has assured me that he will remove the comments on his web
site, and all is back to normal in Normalville.
Thanks, K.
Contents of Removed Article with statements by kathy lynn dean were posted with the Permission of Peter D. Sparacino
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7/21/04 Folks from the beginning of Big Ray's Saga I admired his commitment to what he believed and the courage to see it through without any reservations including a fast unto death if need be. The legal merit to his belief was not at issue with my reporting, and still is not. So when another citizen of JoCo (KLD) got embroiled in the kangaroo justice system Big Ray offered to help by sharing his experience about the bogus system. Unfortunately they soon became embroiled in a no win personal cat fight replete with a host of charges and counter charges. Eventually it resulted in Ray's website being shutdown. He asked me if I would post various documents on my site until his site was restored. This I did. As result I have now (7/21/04) been maliciously libeled and defamed by one Kathy Lynn Dean (KLD), to wit: "I am getting damn sick and tired of seeing lies printed all over the place by both Ray and now you. His site was NOT SHUT DOWN DUE TO COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS.
Ray does not have a clue how the DMCA works, even after numerous explanations to him by the owners of his ex-server.
How dare you print lies about me on your site:
7/09/04Big Ray's webpage has been forced off the internet by allegations of copyright violations asserted by Kathy Lynn Dean of the Speckles saga ( goto ). It would seem that Freedom of Speech is not valued in JoCo when push comes to shove.
What in the hell are you trying to do to us? What a bunch of lying, cowardly people in this area. Each day I find one more dishonest person, one more person who says they are Christian but don't adhere to any morals whatsoever.
Get your lies about me off your web page immediately. And that includes ALL pages. I have been put through way too much in this corrupt God-forsaken county to put up with crap from you. You don't even know what you are talking about. Do some research, then correct your statements."
I am not a liar. However, given my recent experience with Kathy Lynn Dean I cannot trust a single word she utters which means I can no longer report on the heretofore presumed plight of her husband, Nick Gombos, charged with a bizarre crime that involved a chicken. Even though it is an interesting story to report, to remain involved is to invite further abuse from KLD. As for the truth in the Speckles the Chicken case... that will be left up to a JoCo jury.
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Folks... another major problem I've had with KLD's accuracy (if not honesty) is Ray's sound file of a message he left on her answer machine. She, not knowing that, totally mischaracterized it on the internet; thus making it possible to expose her true character;~ hear for yourself ~ hung by her own petard . Why ? Because the file is absolutely neutral... not menacing, or threatening, etc., etc.. as she claimed it was.
And for the record I am not a Christian per se but I am a disciple in fact of The Great Heretic of Nazareth who said: ...a tree is known by its fruit.
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7/26/04 Folks I had hoped that I was shed of the Speckles story and its cast of dramatic characters. When I first reported the story I had no idea that it would trigger a vile attack upon my good name by its protagonist, KLD, who called me a liar, and perhaps a coward, too ! At first I was shocked because I had had such genuine sympathy for her apparent victimization by local authorities. That sympathy had clouded my judgment i.e. I should have checked her history before taking her side. Had I done so this is what I would have found: .goto
...Chief Scruggs
By Kathy L. Dean
Lower Powell Creek Road
I wish I could put a humorous twist to this story of mine, but it is impossible to do so. I have been slandered by a local official, and I have to let others know what happened to me.
Wednesday, October 22, 2003
I fully realize that I am going "out-on-a-limb" by publishing this, but the truth has to be told. If 99.9% of the town of Williams hate me for saying "bad" things about certain people, so be it. Lying, gossip, slander and deceitful actions on the part of people are of the utmost concern to me if they are directed at others, or at me.
The above excerpt shows a repeating pattern where a beset KLD breeds discontent with all those who are not as perfect, by her high standard, as is she. Her article seems to play a similar scenario that is currently playing in the Speckles drama. Just substitute in the names of other players and it is the same thing all over again. This gal reminds me of a prickly pear which may be sweet inside but only if you get by the multitude of sharp spines and tough hide !
So when I received this most recent weird email from her :
...If you are not running Microsoft Office 2003 or an e-mail application that supports messages with restricted permission, you can view this message by downloading the Rights Management Add-on for Internet Explorer from
http://r.office.microsoft.com/r/rlidRestrictedPermissionViewer?clid=1033
At first I recoiled at the notion of having to deal with her again until realizing I couldn't read her mysterious message without going through a bunch of technical rigmarole which I won't do. Most likely it contains something nasty; like false allegations, threats, etc., etc.. Why should I jump through her hoops to be reinvolved in her wacky game when I am now out of it ? I do like her husband, Nick Gombos, and wish him well even though I only had limited phone contact with him.
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Best Regards
Peter D. Sparacino
P.O.Box 1258
Merlin, OR 97532
24Hour Fax 24 Hour Fax: 775-855-8106
Home phone (541) 476-5115
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To: Josephine County, Oregon Sheriff Dave Daniel
rk: Your office is becoming the laughing stock of the nation. You and Josephine County District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON demonstrate to all that the People of Josephine County can expect neither performance nor justice from their public law enforcement/prosecutorial agencies when they are called upon to perform their sworn duties.
rk: It is my understanding that the Josephine County Sheriff's Office has a case number ( CASE NUMBER # 04-7529 ) of a FALSE REPORT filed by one kathy lynn dean. I expect your agency to investigate it thoroughly and not attempt to KISS IT OFF as Josephine County, Oregon District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON has purported to have done according to the statement of kathy lynn dean. (See Post below.)
rk: Let me make this simple for you. It is something that is easily verified should a competent investigation be launched.
rk: My UNEQUIVOCAL STATEMENT IS THIS: I BELONG TO NO ORGANIZATIONS, POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS. I am not, nor have I ever been linked with the people mentioned below.
rk: This is no "johnny come lately" statement. I have made that statement repeatedly on the Internet throughout the last 8 years. I encourage your investigative staff to check that out, for therein lies the proof of conspiracy to libel.
rk: There are many such libelous statements designed to destroy my credibility. That is just the latest one, (first I heard of it was today when I saw this post on JOCO Sheriff'sWatch Board
rk: There has been a long term, incremental "Big Lie" conspiracy campaign to libel me, and it has been going on the internet, unabated, for years.
rk: kathy lynn dean, by her actions has willingly and openly confessed to her part in the participation of such conspiracy by offering her site ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JOCO_SheriffsWatch/ ) as a platform, for libel and character assassination, much as you have Sheriff Daniel with your website
rk: One questions the motives of the writers for such linkage with a white supremacist group. To put it bluntly, the comments below written by dean and hays are complete fictions. I suggest the Sheriff's Department start off with detailed interviews of kathy lynn dean, the persons who calls himself "john hays" and grants pass's ed wilkinson, small time journalist, disinformation agent and former member of the Oregon Republican Central Committee.
rk: From there, it is merely a step away from Oregon-based mind control cult leaders and local and national radio personalities/executives and government officials who manipulate minds via orchestrated public relations election campaigns.
rk: That, Sheriff Daniel, is what is at stake in this case, a case which has been isolated from the public via a STONE WALL OF SILENCE erected by the FBI, Federal, State, County officials, media, and now you, SHERIFF DAVE DANIEL.
rk: kathy lynn dean, with specific intent and purposeful design, amplifies the deceptions fed her by her fellow co-conspirators through her libelous/baseless commentary. Her efforts to suppress evidence through cries of copyright infringement must be addressed by your investigators as it evidences guilty knowledge.
rk: COPYRIGHT THE FRUITS OF A CRIME? Has our country gone NUTS?!! Do you understand the insanity of such tactics? When I hear of such "taking leave" of our collective good sense, I must agree with the author Charles Dicken's in his novel "Oliver Twist," when he expresses his opinion through the character of "Mr. Bumble" who said: "If the law supposes that, the law is a ass, a idiot."
rk: Let it be said that, in my opinion, in JOSEPHINE COUNTY OREGON when it comes to the implementation of Law through the local court and law enforcement venue, the LAW IS INDEED AN ASS!!
rk: Below you will find posts that are proliferating on Internet newsgroups/forums by anonymous (and some not anonymous) government/media/Intelligence mind control/disinformation operatives/provocateurs demonstrating their disinformation and libelous talents.
rk: I expect a full investigation by your department focusing on all statements and threats made (including death threats). Moreover I expect a thorough professional, competent investigation that will stand up to public scrutiny as the government/media/intelligence disinformation 8-year-long campaign is exposed and those responsible and their supervisors held accountable for their criminal behavior.
rk: Sheriff Daniel, You and Josephine County District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON are making a mockery of Law Enforcement and the courts in your refusal to Investigate and prosecute a case that impacts upon our God-given Freedoms.
rk: When government offers no protection to the People, and openly and unabashedly shuns its duty to those People who have put them into office, the logical questions arises. WHO NEEDS GOVERNMENT?!!
rk: To kathy lynn dean, I say -- it is damned foolish to claim copyright infringement in order to conceal the evidence of a crime!!
rk: To Sheriff Daniel, I say, DO YOUR JOB!!
Raymond Ronald Karczewski©~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At 08:26 AM 7/31/04, Peter Sparacino wrote:
----- Original Message -----From: "Anonymous" <anonymous@anonymizer.com>To: <primrose@budget.net>Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 1:18 AMSubject: Sick Dude
You one sick dude to be postin shit at Crazy Rays site. You a nigger hater too? You boys will be run out of town sooner thAN YOU THINK~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Previous | Next | Back to Suspect EmailFrom: Anonymous <anonymous@anonymizer.com> [This is spam]To: arkent3@earthlink.netSubject: You headDate: Jul 26, 2004 10:58 AMyou poo head so full of shit it oozing out you ears and you whloe had go ing to splode all over da place quik like.
A woman go ing to bing you doen to. yes sir, a woman goin bring you down ansd go go ing to be in jail four da rest o you linin days, And you ainy go ing to even seen it comin, eidheh.
We all have a patyt cekrbrete wenn you finelly gon to. {raise da lord -ray be gon fo dbee, gon)
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To: arkent3@earthlink.netSubject: SickDate: Jul 26, 2004 11:10 AMI ben lookin at sim o ou stuff ans u=you one sick dude, my frend,You hae rrryoned inclf uoiwwk that you get hep an yiuu ut fasm,Uoi ginna be in jail do to one woamamhs has yiu he balls,
Jist wantedto ki==li ya nw tat kk.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~From: Anonymous <anonymous@anonymizer.com> [This is spam]To: arkent3@earthlink.netSubject: are u 4 real?Date: Jul 26, 2004 10:42 PMive been cruising through the net and followed a track of your messages. one of two things, you are either really good at lying or U are the sickest son of a bitch on this planet. U R loony toones, off your rocked and should B locked up. I M not kidding. 4 what U did to kathy and 4 that alone U shold be in jail. Do everyone a favor _ go put a bullet in your head dude.
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ADVERTISEMENTSaturday, 31 July 2004Below is a segment of a long letter I received a little after midnight today 07-31-04. The person who wrote it. John Hays, has devoted his life to researching people like Ray Karczewski since his own family got involved with the white supremacist Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen in Washington County, Oregon.As some of you are very aware, and are wonderful to check daily to see how I am, I have been stalked daily by Raymond Karczewski for the past three months. When I noticed an increase in the threats, hatred and venom contained in his letters to me, I contacted the Sheriff's Department, just last week. It was long overdue, and should have been done in the first week of stalking, according to all organizations.I have no idea if JoCo citizens knew he was a member of the exact same organization that Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols were members of, and thought it fun to keep me in the dark. I find it very hard to believe that in a little over one year of living here I find out, but people living here for dozens of years would not know this.Buford Furrow, who shot up the little kids and postman at the Jewish community center in LA was a member of the white supremacist Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen group, as was The "Order" who killed Jewish radio talk show host Alan Berg in Denver. (info supplied by Carl Worden).I am listing the following information since I will be posting this note in several areas. Some of these areas are very familiar with what Ray has done to me, and come to my defense daily. I can't thank you enough. Below is the contact information for the Sergeant in charge of the case. If you have any data whatsoever, please do pass it to him. The JoCo DA turned down the case because it didn't involve enough telephone harassment.After picking myself up off the ground, I said in shock: "Well of course it doesn't." JoCo did not have one of the rules on Cyberstalking, and had no idea what it was. I furnished the Sheriff and DA with a full set of Oregon's "Rules and Regs", plus all DMCA regulations, and have agreed to do all the "work." I agreed to go through about 500 e-mails and tie the obscene harassment statements to the law code. I might be done by Christmas, if not murdered first.Josephine County Sheriff's OfficeSergeant Stephen A. Clarkesclarke@co.josephine.or.us500 NW 6th StGrants Pass OR 97526Case Number 04-7529541 474-5132 Voice Mail541 474-5123 General Business541 476-8527 FaxIf you read nothing else in this letter, at least read the short section below "INTRODUCTION" written to me by John Hays. Also, the Oregon Page at: http://sleazereport.com/wp/index.php?cat=3 is almost too interesting. I'm sorry John I did not obtain permission to reprint your articles, but I figured you would want me to get the word out.INTRODUCTION ------ From: http://nwcitizen.com/publicgood/reports/belief/Baldly stated, the white supremacist movement seeks to undermine federal authority and bring about the collapse of the United States of America. The destruction of federal power is the prerequisite to establishing a new racial nationalist state. It is highly unlikely that such a thing is within the means of the small number of militant racists, but it is certain that they will continue to use all means at their disposal to pursue that unrealistic goal.
These means include bombings, sabotage, stalking, undermining discipline in the armed forces, counterfeiting, tax evasion, bank robbery, subversion of local governments and law enforcement, fraud, and attempts at nuclear, chemical, biological and psychological warfare. Instances of all of these acts have occurred and -- with the exception of an incident involving nuclear or chemical material -- each of these tactics have been employed in the last twelve months. MUST READ - Sections of letter from John Hays to Kathy L. Dean:Hi. I've been doing some research on what you sent me. You've pretty much done the right things concerning Karczewski's stalking of you. Keep the emails he sent you and the telephone recording(s) where he has initiated the telephone contact. Check out http://www.cyberangels.org/. You did the right thing by notifying the local sheriff's office and the FBI.As for Raymond Karczewski, he is a member of the white supremacist Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen movement and has been for years. This movement is a paranoid, delusional movement whose members have been jailed throughout the US for committing violent actions which include murder, robbery, kidnapping, arson, bombings. Members of the white supremacist Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen have also been sentenced to state and federal prisons for being convicted of identity theft, fraud, forgery, and all sorts of paper terrorism. In fact, old Ray was convicted of the felonies of placing bogus liens on various people. He was convicted of six or seven felonies for violating ORS 162.355 - http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/162.html.Old Ray and his buddies in the white supremacist Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen movement live in a world of paranoid delusions with beliefs that include bizarre, paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories of all sorts and even bizarre beliefs in various types of evil space aliens. For all practical purposes Ray and his buddies are criminally insane and, in fact, some of them have even been involuntarily committed to various psychiatric institutions in various states that specialize in treating or housing those considered criminally insane. Some of his buddies here in Oregon have even been incarcerated in the Oregon Psychiatric Hospital's program for the criminally insane. This is one reason why I would consider old Ray dangerous. Also, he knows his way around firearms and has even posted that he is armed and ready for conflict. Even if old Ray is all bluster, many of his buddies aren't and many have either have been arrested or convicted of violent offenses against their fellow citizens and even against each other.Because Ray's world is filled with paranoia, delusions, rage, and hatred he has, for all practical purposes, lost touch with reality. It is a total waste of time to try to argue with him or reason with him or carry on a reasonably intelligent conversation with him. I wish I could help you out more.I wish you well. As for old Ray, you are not the first and you won't be the last person he stalks. He is still stalking those people he put liens on as well as others. It's probable he will continue stalking you for sometime to come. In fact, many of his buddies in the white supremacist Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen movement have stalked federal agents, judges, local cops, sheriffs, deputies, ordinary citizens, members of the bar, and others for years and years. One of the bizarre psychological traits that many members of the Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen movement display is an acute obsession to destroy those they perceive as enemies because they perceive these enemies to be part of a Satanic conspiracy to destroy the Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen adherents. By now old crazy Ray has probably convinced himself that you are a spawn of Satan dedicated to establishing some New World Order that will endeavor to kill old Ray, his family and all his buddies in the Christian Identity/Sovereign Citizen movement and that his God has directed him to fight to the death all his perceived enemies.Note from Kathy: This certainly explains his non-stop letters to the Sheriff, DA and Medford FBI, among others, doesn't it? It also "might" explain how he seems to get copies of every single e-mail I send out. Either he has tie-ins to somehow obtain e-mail illegally, or there are many more members of this group around here than I thought. From: http://sleazereport.com/wp/index.php?p=192April 25, 2004Today's Looney conspiracy theoryToday's looney conspiracy theory is brought to you by Ray Karczewski. Ray Karczewski is a member in good standing of the looney, sovereign citizen, psycho Roger Weidner gang.Ray Karczewski has recently been convicted of filing false liens against some people in Josephine County who work in the various areas of the Oregon justice system. The crimes of which he was convicted are felonies. See this post.Ray says, "THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE AND NOW!" and if you buy his book he can save you from the Satanists who control the Illuminati who are in charge of the New World Order.Now let's get on with the looney conspiracy theory of the day. The following is from Ray's website.A Letter to Senator Ron Wyden Regarding the FBI Investigation into Internet Mind ControlNovember 7th, 1998March 21, 2004I've set a record as a stalking victim
I think I have a record as a stalking victim. An ex-wife, Faye Marie Oekerman, has called every employer I've had since 1979 to the present time trying to get me fired.
Her mentally ill divorce attorney, Roger Weidner, now disbarred, has been stalking me since he became her divorce attorney in 1980 and he is still stalking me.
I'm not sure I like having these records.Posted by John at March 21, 2004 10:49 PM | TrackBackMore of Roger Weidner's buddies get popped by the FedsLooks like more of moron Roger Weidner's buddies got convicted of federal crimes.The Associated Press/June 9, 2002Portland, Ore. -- A federal court jury has convicted six people of conspiracy for taking part in an illegal bank that hid $186 million from the Internal Revenue Service from 1986 to 2000.The six people were part of a group called the Christian Patriot Association, based in Boring, Ore., southeast of Portland, which operated a storefront bank that hid the assets of 900 people.Convicted on Friday were Richard Flowers, a founder of the group; his wife, Dorothy Flowers, who acted as a clerk and notary; the Rev. Jeffrey Weakley, a white separatist who worked for the bank; Ronald Stacey, who operated a gift store in Clackamas, Ore., and had money in the bank; and two bank members, Dan Romaine Kirkham, a California lawyer and doctor, and John Anderson, who operated commercial printing businesses in Oregon.Richard Flowers was also found guilty of failing to file federal income tax returns for 1995 and 1996. Mr. Stacey and his wife, Elecia, were found guilty of tax evasion, as was Mr. Kirkham. March 17, 2004 Note from Kathy: This is the group that John Hay's family is connected with. The psycho gang strikes again
There's a crazy gang in Washington County, Oregon. There is a sub-group within this gang made up of looney women. In the sub-group is a woman by the name of Faye Marie Oekerman.
This sub-group of women spend a lot of time scheming and committing all sorts of crimes, including burglary, vandalism, assault, and robbery. They also spend a lot of time trying to get this site taken down. This includes putting comment spam with links to online pharmacies selling all sorts of crap to links to porno sites.
I wish they would quit.
As to their criminal activity, they used to get away with a lot of crimes because whenever they thought they might get busted a group of them would run to now-retired Washington County Sheriff Jim Spinden and make all sorts of false accusations and Jim Spinden would go off on a wild goose chase.
On some occasions when the looney females would meet a guy not in the gang, they would see if they could destroy the guy just for the fun of it. Again, one of the easiest ways to do this was to have a few of the females in the sub-group of the gang run to Jim Spinden and make false accusations. This was done to me. On other occasions the looney, psychopathic females would find some really stupid guys and talk the guys into beating up the target guy.
This brings up some questions:
1. How on earth did Faye Marie Oekerman and her psychopathic buddies get my mother and sister in the gang and how did they get my mother and sister to help Faye and her buddies stalk me?
2. How on earth did the looney females get my mother, Neta Hays, and my sister, Chris Andrea Hays to help Faye and her buddies burglarize some apartments I lived in?
3. How on earth did the crazies get my mother and sister to help Faye and her buddies vandalize my various vehicles since I met Faye in 1979?
4. How on earth did Faye and her buddies manage to get my mother and sister involved in a sleazy scheme to put my two daughters up for adoption (behind my back) for over ten thousand dollars?
5. How on earth did Faye and her buddies manage to get my mother and sister to make a bunch of false accusations against me, some of which were so ludicrous only an idiot would believe them?
6. How on earth did Faye and her buddies come to the point where they have such total control over my mother and sister that my mother and sister refuse to acknowledge my existence, my children's existence and the existence of any woman I may love other than crazy Faye?
Only in looney, homophobic, racist Washington County, Oregon.Posted by John at March 17, 2004 10:16 AM | TrackBack
It is a very natural trait to try to make sense out of the world. The PCTs are trying desperately to make sense out of a world they can no longer relate to. The world is too complicated, too mean, too cold, too unsatisfying for them. In the real world, they are considered nothing and despair of ever being anything but on the outside looking in. They see science as telling them they are an accident and their lives are without meaning. In their alternative world, they rule and are hopeful. Everything is in its place or will be put in its place. There is order and meaning. Life is significant.
the end is near
The actual mechanism by which PCTs arrive at their weird notions is not that difficult to ascertain. The mentally ill people I came to know couched their paranoid fears in terms of the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. They had no communal reinforcement of their delusions, however. No talk show host or publisher invited them to share their delusions with the world. They are under treatment, have been hospitalized, arrested, etc. They know that those around them will not accept their delusions. This is not true of religious or UFO groups. They reinforce each other and strengthen each other's resolve. They encourage each other to accept possibility as equal to probability, material experience as inferior to dreams, hallucinations, and out-of-body experiences, etc. They have no watchdog equivalent to I. F. Stone, and the mass media is too busy chasing tabloid rumors and celebrities to serve as a watchdog of anything. And since the PCTs function almost completely outside of the normal arenas where they would be challenged and forced to produce evidence in place of speculation, they flourish relatively unscathed and await their next appearance on the Art Bell or George Noory or Pat Robertson show, seemingly oblivious to the absurdity of such behavior during the final days of planet earth.
To: senator@wyden.senate.govSubject: FBI InvestigationDear SirThe following newsgroup post is self-explanatory. I filed a complaint with the FBI a year ago. Called to confirm they have received the complaint. Agent Gray confirmed they had and would put their computer people on it.. Called back the Medford office 2 months later, was told by the agent who answered the call that the agent handling the case had stepped out and would return my call. No further word was received by anyone from the FBI as to disposition This has become a rather high-profile matter on the internet Newsgroups. Any assistance you may render in this matter would be appreciatedRay KarczewskiRay wants the FBI to investigate the "internet mind control" conspiracy.Ray's wife, Anita, weighs in with a letter to Senator Ron Wyden about her fears of the dreaded "internet mind control" conspiracy.April 16th, 2000Dear Senator Wyden,
This is in response to your request for information at today's Cave Junction Town Meeting regarding the Medford, Oregon FBI investigation into the Conspiracy to Libel complaint by Raymond Karczewski on November 2, 1997 and government/media supported mind control experiments being conducted on unwary users of the Internet. In order to avoid an unwieldy amount of disk space, I am only listing the URLs of posts by some of those anonymous persons involved. These posts may be found in the Internet DejaNews archives. The Medford office of the FBI has much additional material in their hands, and the Washington D.C. office of Director of the FBI Louis Freeh has my own personal complaint which contains URLs listed in this letter.
This libel, harrassment, stalking and defamation has been going on for over four years without letup, in fact it has accelerated due to the fact that there has been no timely action taken by either the Washington D.C. or the Medford, Oregon offices of the FBI in this matter. It began as anonymous attacks upon my husband, forgeries posted on Internet usenet newsgroups under his name, and then extended to libelous reviews of his book at Amazon.com. My husband requested the removal of our book from their online catalog due to these invalid, libelous, so-called reviews.
Those persons involved then turned their attacks toward me. I am 62 years old, in precarious health at best, and the ongoing stress of this situation has taken an additional toll on my health. The Internet has so much information of benefit to offer to the people of this world. That it can be so easily and arrogantly corrupted and used for unabating abuse of those same people is horrendous to me. At the meeting you spoke of it's being against the law to as a hoax yell "Fire" in a theatre in order to protect those patrons whose lives might be endangered by a stampede toward the exits by panicky people fearing for their lives. Is not the danger just as great when lives and health can be destroyed by malicious, anonymous persons who are able to evade responsibility for and the consequences of their actions.
One of these attackers who calls himself "Tim Hill", in addition to using a host of other aliases (the apparent leader of the group), posted that he would be absent from the Internet for awhile due to his new job. In the past he has admitted to serving as a PR consultant for election campaigns. Recently other anonymous attackers have claimed that they have nothing to fear from the FBI due to the statute of limitations having run out although, as my husband pointed out to them, each new libelous attack extends the timeline.I cannot stress enough that what I have sent you is merely the "tip of the iceberg." This is a unique experience and will probably change the history of jurisprudence in our country, and in how our courts operate in that all evidence is recorded in black and white. There are literally thousands of posts (written by this same conspiratorial, anonymous group of individuals operating with a recognizeable and distinct agenda) of this libelous nature to be found in the DejaNews archives, defaming not only my husband and myself but other authors and innocent usenet users. Although these individuals post anonymously, in the past they have revealed personal and career/business ties to the U.S. Intelligence community, government and media.I repeat that the Internet is a marvelous tool for communication amongst people, a sort of "chatting over the back fence" tool that can bring the people of the world together as brothers and sisters, that may have the power to instill the sense of unity of our common humanity and the urgency of bringing about peace among us. As it is being used now, it breeds fear and furthers the divisiveness that leads to war and has already made a shambles of our world. My own daughter is afraid to use the Internet due to the rabid attacks that have made on me and my husband.
Make no mistake, Senator Wyden, I do not advocate censorship. What I do advocate is the responsible use of our First Ammendment Right to Free Speech by each of us being held responsible for the content and consequences of our free speech.
Again I repeat: I am a 62-year-old woman of limited financial means.This four-year-long campaign of libel, stalking, and defamation has taken its toll on my already precarious health. We, my husband and I, have gone to our government for assistance and thus far our government has failed us. I am counting on you to do what you publicly declared in our Town Meeting that you would do: "personally follow up" and "get an answer" from the FBI regarding the Conspiracy to Libel and Government/media supported mind control experiments being conducted on unwary users of the Internet.
By the way, Senator Wyden, I will post this on the public newsgroups and on our Web site. We, our nation and an on-looking world await your action in this matter.Yours truly,Anita Karczewski
As you can see, the dreaded "internet mind control" conspiracy has a lot of super-duper secret "new world order" government agents stalking the poor Karczewski's. But, never fear. They have Roger Weidner as their brilliant, super-duper, master Aryan race legal advisor.One of Ray's patent delusions is that his name is copyrighted and that by referring to him, you owe him money.Hard to believe my mother, Neta Hays, and my sister, Chris Andrea Hays, believe this nonsense. Hard to believe they actually found a cop stupid enough to believe this nonsense, but they did.Posted by John at April 25, 2004 09:06 PM | TrackBackThe cult’s efforts to infiltrate Oregon’s political partiesFiled under:
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It seems Roger Weidner and his gang's efforts to infiltrate some of the political parties in Oregon are not working out all that well. The gang tried to get Pavel Goberman on the ballot as a Libertarian and resorted to insults, threats, harassment, and the filing of false charges with the Office of the Oregon Secretary of State.
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Roger is still holding secret meetings in the Hillsboro, OR and Beaverton, OR areas. At these meetings he whips his followers into such a frenzy of delusions, hatred and anger that when the meetings are over, the gang members are ready to go out and shoot cops. My sister, Chris Andrea Hays, and my mother, Neta Hays, go to these meetings. The cult members also are in constant communication with each other in order to reinforce the delusions, hatred and anger and, of course, to reinforce their commitment to their war against American society.
The cult is still convinced that all Oregon offices are filled with pedophiles, homosexuals, Satanists and members of the New World Order.
Some members of the cult are still sending out bizarre emails to everyone, including people in the Governor's office.From: "A Voice for Children"Date: Fri Jul 2, 2004 10:56 amSubject: CORRUPT GOVERNOR REP TOM CHAMBERLAIN state rep does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts..... your address is listed in the same governor listing as theirs - you ARE ALL ACCOUNTABLE.... WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE IN EXTREME ARROGANCE THAT YOU DONT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE? ARE YOU SO CORROSIVE AND TOXIC THAT YOU CANT IMAGINE IF YOU WERE THE ONE BEING DESTROYED BY THE POLICIES YOU ARE CREATING FOR THE CORPORATE STATE?????? YOU ARE ACTING IN THE NAME OF THE STATE WITH YOUR JOB AND YOUR CHECK AND YOUR NAME IS PUBLIC FOR THE PEOPLE TO CONTACT. YOU WILL GO ON THIS LIST WITH THE OTHERS AND WE DO NOT REMOVE STATE ADDRESSES. PERIOD. YOU HAVE A DELETE BUTTON IF YOU ARE SO COLD THAT YOU DONT ACT ON ANY OF THE INFORMATION YOU SEE POSTED GOING ON UNDER YOUR ADMINISTRATION. YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE AND THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT WITH THIS......pamela gastonNote from Kathy: The above group and person removed themselves from our Yahoo Board the day I filed charges against Ray.
The following email is from one of the people in the Govenor's office who doesn't want to receive the bizarre emails from the cult.
From: CHAMBERLAIN Tom * Governor's OfficeTo: 'A Voice for Children'Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:42 AMSubject: RE: CORRUPT GOVERNOR REP SUZY MILLER THREATENS TO STOP THE PEOPLE FROM EXCERCISING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS .......Re: unaccountable corrupt governor office state rep does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts.....I am not a state rep., please take me off your listing. The above email was in response to the following email from one of the members of the cult.-----Original Message-----From: A Voice for Children [mailto:avoice@mtangel.net]Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:40 AMTo: MILLER Suzy * Governor's Office; A Voice for ChildrenCc: Oregon_Family_Rights@yahoogroups.comSubject: CORRUPT GOVERNOR REP SUZY MILLER THREATENS TO STOP THE PEOPLE FROM EXCERCISING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS .......Re: unaccountable corrupt governor office state rep does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts.....Suzy.Miller@state.or.usJodi.L.Sherwood@state.or.usEvelyn.Bloemhard@state.or.usThese three unaccountable state reps do not want to hear about your abuse or the henious crimes being committed by themselves and their associates. TIME FOR CONSEQUENCES FOR UNACCOUNTABLE REPRESENTATIVES. THEY DO NOT WORK FOR US. THEY WORK FOR THE CORPORATE STATE. A JURY ESTABLISHED THIS RACKETEERING NETWORK IN L998 THAT KILONGOSKI IS INVOLVED IN ALONG WITH MOST OF HIS CABINET MEMBERS, LONG TIME CRIMINALS OPERATING IN OREGON, GOLDSCHMIDT THE HEAD, NOW SEVERED ON THE GROUND - THEIR PEDOPHILE LEADER... GOOD THAT YOU THREATEN US AND THE PEOPLE WE ARE HELPING - GOOD THAT YOU SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS... GOOD THAT YOU SHOW THE TYPICAL PUBLIC SERVANT THREATS WHEN ANYONE TRIES TO EXCERCISE THEIR RIGHTS - SO TYPICAL VIPER BEHAVIOR AND ATTORNEY ARROGANCE We will go to court ASAP on this ! WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY AND WILL UPDATE THE RECORD OF THE CRIMES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IN THE COURT, THAT THEY ARE BLOCKING RIGHT NOW, IT IS SO EXCULPATORY.We have dealt with the Governor's office before when they tried to supress the rights of the people to excercise our constitutional rights. They threatend to shut down communications companies in their arrogance over this. The Governor realized he had no standing whatsoever to deny the Oregon Constitution, they got it straight and did not attempt to commit such aggreived acts so blatantly, and continue to GIVE THESE ADDRESSES TO THE PEOPLE TO USE AND WE PAY FOR.. WE are reporting YOU to the people, YOUR AUTHORITY as a public servant. YOU took an oath to uphold the LAW.We ARE WATCHING....pamela gastonBETTER ASK YOUR GOVERNOR RACKETEERING BOSS WHETHER HE PLANS TO COME TO COURT WITH US OR NOT..... WATCH THE SUPREME COURT VIDEOTAPE FROM AUGUST 2000 WITH HIM SITTING THERE AS THE INDICTMENT IS MADE AND UNDISPUTED ABOUT THE TOTALLY CORRUPT REGIME YOU ARE OPERATING IN VIOLATION OF THE PUBLIC TRUST. WE WILL NOT BE SHUT DOWN BY PUBLIC SERVANTS IN THE STATE OF OREGON ANYMORE. YOU ARE NOTICES FORMALLY, TORT NOTICE FOLLOWS ANY FURTHER VIOLATIONS OF OUR EXPRESSED RIGHTS.Dated July 1, 2004The following email is from another person in the Oregon Governor's Office who doesn't want to receive bizarre emails from the cult.----- Original Message -----From: MILLER Suzy * Governor's OfficeTo: 'A Voice for Children'Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:22 AMSubject: RE: unaccountable corrupt governor office state rep SUZY MILLER does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts..... This has been reported to the SPAM account as well as to the Dept of Administrative Services Division Computer System Office! Please remove!A Closing Note From John Hill:
As usual, the cult is still stalking me and accusing me of being a pedophile, a Satanist, a Jew who is a member of the Illuminati, and a leader of the New World Order. The cult is still accusing me of committing all sorts of crimes and telling me how stupid I am. I wish the cult would quit bothering me and my two teenage daughters.
My youngest teenage daughter has been so brainwashed by members of the cult that all she does when she comes over is look at me with hatred, insults me, screams at me, and disobeys me. I think she's out of control. She also demands I follow the rules of the cult.
The cult is still sending people over to find out why I divorced a psycho wife in 1980. I've told them over and over for years it's because she was a psychopath who became obsessed with either controlling me absolutely or killing me. It's almost impossible to carry on a rational conversation with members of the cult.
