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Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian)

2/09/2000

kristine wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

rk: >>>> Yet you are not too far off the mark when pointing to the relief felt by certain command individuals within the Pacifica PD, even though they were about to lose their top investigator to retirement.

kc: >>> yeah, well luckily, THAT guy didn't retire when you did. he ended up staying on and retired four years later.

rk: >> Do you see the point regarding the *emptiness of cleverness?* Your comment is merely a petty misdirection, no more, no less.

kc: > petty misdirection?

kc: > it was a joke. gee, bRat, get a sense of humor. i heard they were on sale at walmart.

rk: Isn't it interesting to note that hypocrites around the world, regardless of their sex, when nailed with their own dark spirited, vicious words designed toward harming another always fall back on the "Just Kidding" excuse. Unfortunately, humor is only effective in masking such viciousness when addressing base-conditioned ignoramuses who cannot see beyond the letter of the word. Most of the world's population is ruled by religious and political use of such empty rhetoric.

rk: >> Only in a BASSACKWARD dualistic realm of consciousness ruled by a satanically-driven intellect does such inanity become looked upon with "pride" by compensatory ignoramuses. Now let the readers of USENET see if you can rise above the level of ad hominem attacks and say something intelligent, oh "agent of satan" (your words, not mine--see your sig line below).

kc: > quite frankly, the only prideful person around these parts is YOU.

rk: Perhaps you'd like to fill out that empty one-liner judgement with a little substance, i.e. Truth. You have demonstrated what mind controlling disinformation types routinely do, haven't you? Terse, empty, one-liner slogans do not a Truth make, do they?

kc: > i was making fun of you...you know...i am sure you are used to it by now, even tho' you continue to pretend not to see it.

rk: Only in a BASSACKWARD world of corrupt hypocrites can what you do on these Internet Newsgroups be characterized as "making fun." You might get away with it with a new reader who happens upon a single post in isolation to the rest of your writings, but not so when they are able to glimpse the "big picture."

kc: > the agent of satan thing is a joke, fatboy. sheesh. only you would take it literally...why am i not surprised?

rk: I am not surprised that you are not surprised. Clearly you and the other Satanically-driven, Intellectually-oriented, government/media sponsored/supported AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOT Disinformation agents grasp that I understand fully that your purpose for being on these Internet Newsgroups/forums is the heavy handed control/redirection of the flow of information so that serious discussion regarding solutions to the world's problems is made impossible. The proof is unerring in its indictment of the present government/media who control and manipulate public opinion.

rk: To back that up, I suggest the serious reader interested in understanding this Internet mind control/disinformation issue pick any article in the DejaNews archives originated by me. Then follow the thread and read the responses by the same individual(s) (who have used a host of aliases over the last five years) to see their intentions manifested as mass controlled chaos/confusion. What is wrong with the intelligence of the computer using public who are unable to see this simple fact of how they are manipulated by mind controllers/disinformation agents on a daily basis?

rk: Where would Government Mind Control programs such as MK ULTRA AND PROJECT MONARCH be carried out if not in government supported psychiatric/mental health operations. By the way, your background as a psychiatric nurse could bear a little filling out, wouldn't you say? In your experience as a psychiatric nurse, have you ever been part of such a government subsidized operation? A curious nation awaits your response.

kc: >>> bring it on, big guy. really, i mean it. bring it the f--- on! anytime. why not put your money where your mouth is? or, put another way...shut the f--- up and file the paper work and get on with it. you have been threatening a lawsuit for five years now...christ, it didn't take this long to prosecute the rosenberg's.

rk: >> Nah!! This issue is going to unfold in such a way that no stone is left "unturned" in exposing the government/media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation Internet experimentations which are being conducted against its own citizenry.

kc: > ah this is new tack...don't really sue, just threaten to sue constantly, and when someone calls you on it, just sit back and say "i am taking my time...this is all happening as i planned it". all done by design, eh?

rk: By the way, kristine, I notice YOUR quotation marks surrounding the statement "i am taking my time...this is all happening as i planned it". And then you say "all done by design, eh?" Who, in fact are you quoting, kristine? Isn't it Yourself? I certainly did not make any such statements. See what I mean about word twisting disinformation agents who will twist another's words, then try to hold them responsible when those words are reposted as some later time -- when memories have dimmed? It is this technique that is constantly used by the likes of glen quarnstrom and ed wilkinson in their five-year-long quest to find a single "contradiction in essence" in the words of Raymond Karczewski.

kc: > brilliant. as only one truly paranoid could dream up.

rk: >> All such nuances, even at the subtlest of levels of consciousness ultimately and inevitably lead to and reveal the real TRUTH about our present legal system, doesn't it?

kc: > what truth? that no one will take a federal case about you thinking you are being spyed on by the media via internet for free?

kc; > again, your logic is mind numbing...you believe that the fbi saying you have no case is part of a conspiracy. now you state that the fact that no attorney will take your "case" pro bono is further proof of the conspiracy! if you weren't so addled, this would be funny.

rk: > > "i killed him", "i'll shoot myself," your words, not mine. Rather telling statements about the quality of consciousness labeled as kristine campbell, are they not?

kc: > of for heaven's sake, bRat...it was sarcasm...meant to be funny. again, only you in your psychotic haze would interpret it literally.

rk: One only need read your posts over a period of time to determine whether it was sarcasm, or something much more dark and sinister. After all, look at how you have adjusted your energy to this post. You got nailed with your own words, and it took the wind out of your sails. Lost your momentum, haven't you? That is the usual reaction when hypocrites stand too long before the Mirror of Truth.

kc: > if you really think i killed my husband, why not contact the authorities in san bernadino county, california, where my husband died? i am sure they would be interested in your theory.

rk: All things will be revealed in due time, won't they, kristine? Hell, isn't it?

rk: >> A law school graduate, a registered nurse, a mother, and a representative of American Womanhood? Is this what our society has devolved into?

kc: > you have said all this before....and i am not a representative of americans, women or american women. i am myself. i would never presume to speak for anyone other than myself.

rk: kristine, in my view, you are a vicious, dark spirited, conditioned, degraded specimen of corrupted American womanhood. You certainly are not one with whom I would have anything to do at any level of social interaction. My only purpose in responding to the likes of you and the other AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOT Disinformation agents is to MIRROR such corruption of the Human Spirit to the world.

rk: >> I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- No wonder American children are killing themselves and each other in record numbers.

kc: > holy cow. i am responsible for that?

rk: The essence of your words says it all, regardless of your "letter of the word" rhetorical packaging, does it not?

kc: > gee, i am really powerful.

rk: No, just a silly minion of a Satanically-ruled, conditioned Intellect caught up in her own pridefulness.

kc: > then how come i can't get you to stop spamming the usenet with your psychotic rants?

rk: What Spam? That is another one of your misdirections. I have never lost an ISP account for spamming in my five years of posting, in spite of the constant ongoing complaint campaigns launched by AFAB BULLIES/SKEPTICULTISTS/ROYBOTS to have me silenced. What you are experiencing is your coming to grips with your own impotence as you stand before the Mirror of Truth.

rk: >> But then, you have already confessed to serving and worshipping the petty "god" of Satanistic Intellect. It's all in your own signature line, is it not, kristine campbell?

kc: > *sigh* yes, bRat it is in my sig line. it is a joke. why am i not surprised that you are the ONLY one on the usenet who doesn't get it?

rk: You'll have to find another to try your "Just Kidding" rationalization on. You read like an open book to the spiritually sighted who have the "eyes to see and the ears to hear."

kc: > oh, now i remember...it is all a part of the sleeping masses or conspiracy or something. ugh.

rk: Having flashbacks of your psychiatric nurse days. are you?

kc: > you say you employed others at one time...what would you have done if one of your employees came to you and demanded that you stop taking money for social security out of their checks? would you have done it, even tho' it is breaking the law and you might have gotten in trouble?

rk: In as much at that occurred some 20+ years ago, your question is quite moot, is it not?

rk: >> Ah! the old "that was then, this is now, ignorance vs enlightenment conundrum, eh? What would life be on this planet if human beings were to awaken from their conditioned ignorance, having learned the lessons of the past, and drop forever such ignorant, reactionary, dead, habitual responses and take back control over their lives? I'll let your "Satanically driven Intellect" ponder the imponderable.

kc: > nice dodge.

rk: Isn't it interesting as to how your intellect looks at such a simple yet profound Truth and sees it as a "dodge?" You are merely exposing the corrupted level of your consciousness to the world, yet there's not a damn thing you can do about it, is there. kristine?

kc: > now answer the question.

kc: >>> and where would you and that cunt you are married to be if i and my husband and millions of others stop paying into social security? you are the ultimate parasite, living off of others hard work.

rk: Your degrading characterization of my wife is but a mere reflection of your present level of corrupted consciousness, is it not? Hell, isn't it?

rk: >> Do not confuse the recipient of a system for the SYSTEM. Or is such obfuscatory misdirection attempt merely a legalistic kneejerk reaction you learned in law school?

kc: > who is misdirecting now?

kc: > lame dodge.

kc: > now answer the question.

rk: > > You see kristine, integrity seems to be the quality missing in your shotgun approach to character assassination .

kc: > i see we have moved away from "libel" and shifted to character assassination.

rk: Same momentum, different vibratory level.

kc: > hmmmmm.....

rk: > > What insult? What hypocrisy?

kc: > i am pretty sure calling someone debris on wheels (when that someone is a para or quad) is an insult and probably hurts their feelings. something you have said over and over, that you, as christ, never do.

rk: When it comes to characterizing the vibratory essence of degraded human beings such as yourself, ed wilkinson, glen quarnstrom, and the other Satanic, Intellectual serving AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOTS who hide behind a multitude of masks, one sees clearly that the phrase "human debris," whether on or off wheels, is quite appropriate. The proof is in their writing. All that any reader need do is randomly select any posts written by any of the above and discern for themselves the dark, predatory nature of their contributions.

kc: > that is hypocrisy.

rk: Ah! It is much more than that -- much more than that!!

-- kristine queen of the undead afab army

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i'm an agent of satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial

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The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of ed wilkinson and other assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

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Very sad

Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian) (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:41:57 GMT

From: Let it go Ray: this is sick (unknown)

rk:Yet you are not too far off the mark when pointing to the relief felt by certain command individuals within the Pacifica PD, even though they were about to lose their top investigator to retirement.

Ray, you're thinking is so wild, illogical, and utterly emotional, this in itself suffices to let you go as an "investigator." How is asking for clarification about your own contradiction "satanic?" If you conducted yourself then as you have for the past several years, the reason you were "retired" is evident. Let it go man: this is making you very sick indeed.

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It's Hell to be you, isn't it Ray?

Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian) (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:22:09 GMT

From: Glen Quarnstrom (unknown)

rk: When it comes to characterizing the vibratory essence of degraded >human beings such as yourself, ed wilkinson, glen quarnstrom, and the >other Satanic, Intellectual serving AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOTS who hide behind a multitude of masks, one sees clearly that the phrase

Well, gee, Linenoise, I thought you'd forgotten all about me. I see that you've gone way beyond Contradictions in Essence and are making up outright lies now. I have never used even one mask, much less a multitude of them, and I am hardly "Satanic," whatever that means. For a guy who insists that he does't resort to personal attacks, you're doing pretty good with the ol' ad hominem, aren't you?

rk: "human debris," whether on or off wheels, is quite appropriate.

Takes one to know one, I'd say.

rk: proof is in their writing. All that any reader need do is randomly >select any posts written by any of the above and discern for themselves >the dark, predatory nature of their contributions.

I welcome any such comparison with your own endless redundant, mindless babbling. Of course, anyone who cares has already made that comparison,and the results are pretty unanimous, I'd say. I challenge you to produce two people other than yourself and Anita who will post here to take your side against all of the so-called "Satanically driven AFA-B Bullies."

It's HELL to be you, isn't it, Zoose? --

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Shut your festering maw Ray

Re: Your pennance? 13 hail marys, and a vicidin enema. (Father EJL63FLH)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:50:47 GMT

From: Do you own any weapons?(unknown)

No one on this forum -- except maybe you -- has made anyone kill themself, or anyone else for that matter. Such sick accusations don't come out of nowhere: if anyone has commited the crimes you mention, it's you Ray. I'ts a miracle and a crime disease like you is walking the streets. Do you own any weapons? And where are your kids?

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Congratulations Christ-tine Campbell!

Re: Great work! But who is "Christ"? (Jabba the Hut)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:45:21 GMT

From: You go Girl! (unknown)

I must admit I never thought Christ would be an Ohio widow/nurse/lawyer, but then again a Messiah is never known in her own country, right? So what if Ray is a raging psycho: every good Christ needs a demon to combat. Way to go Kristine, and don't let the bad guy get you!

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Again with this talk about kids killing themselves?

Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian) (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:23:16 GMT

From: What happened to your family Ray? (unknown)

What did you do to your kids Ray? Why are they NEVER here, even to visit you for the shortest time? What did you to do to them to make you keep referring to kids killing themselves? I'd bet you abused your poor kids so badly they'll have nothing to do with you now. And you're calling other people "human debris?" Be ashamed you arrogant, hypocritical s**t.

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don't know...

Re: Just Ray wallowing in his own excrement...AGAIN (He's the reason Cave Junction reeks )

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:50:34 GMT

From: Where is this coming from Ray? (unknown)

When Ray incessantly repeats violent accusations and then refuses to explain them, it invariably means there's something in his past he's trying to hide. Where ARE your kids Ray, and why do you keep talking about kids killing themselves and each other? This woman Kristine obviously has nothing to do with your accusations, so there's another reason you keep making them: what did you do to your family that makes you keep bringing this stuff about child murder up? When I think about what you must have put your children through I get sick in my parent's soul: are your kids dead or do they simply refuse to have any contact with you whatsoever?

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Ray, you're a cancer through and through

Re: It's Hell to be you, isn't it Ray? (Glen Quarnstrom)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:53:44 GMT

From: Your soul & mind ooze with disease (unknown)

Thank God Ray's a sick joke everywhere he posts: mental cancer like Ray doesn't stop spreading of its own accord until it's killed off every last thing that is good, healthy, and worthy. How do you live with your own uncontrolled malice Ray?

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The die you die not a soul will mourn you

Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian) (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:23:27 GMT

From: Good riddance to vicious attacks (unknown)

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Great idea: do the world a favor Ray

Re: The die you die not a soul will mourn you (Good riddance to vicious attacks)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:54:06 GMT

From: You know where you can go Ray and Anita (unknown)

Sometimes I wonder if you're even conscious of how sick and evil you are. Your pathology is so advanced there's only one way to get rid of it.

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Unparalleled narcissism and irony

Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian) (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:04:39 GMT

From: Things don't get filthier than Ray K. (unknown)

The least one could say about YOU Ray is that you're vicious, conditioned, and degraded...well, specimen period. In fact, one could say quite a bit more, and people have done exactly that over the years: hard to swallow the TRVTH of what you've made yourself in your narcissism and malice, huh Ray? Well choke on your vice and hatred. You can't hide from the public how malicious and corrupt your meglomaniacal mind is, and judging from your own words, you may well have destroyed your own family. That's right Ray: mirror your own degradation and filth. It's what you are, and nothing more.

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Hey Ray: who has any "social interaction" with YOU?

Re: Unparalleled narcissism and irony (Things don't get filthier than Ray K.)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:23:17 GMT

From: You deserve your absolute isolation (unknown)

What are you talking about man? Who would spend even a few moments with disease like you? At least Kristine works to alleviate the suffering of her patients, while you've spent the last few decades refusing to work, living off other people's money, attacking the very people who alone pay for your sustenance, and making a gross Internet spectacle of your severe mental illness. You've never done anything to help anyone in your life and have no room to attack a woman who has undertaken to help people in trouble around her. Be ashamed Ray: you're not only a parasite, but one bent on abusing anything decent in the world.

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That right Ray: PLUNGE yourself into negation and spite

Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian) (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:16:55 GMT

From: Go back to your gambling addiction Ray (unknown)

You're every bit as addicted to attacking people as you were to gambling, aren't you Ray? What a waste of a human life you are.

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What does ANY of this have to do with Christ?

Re: The Christ and the Satanist (Confused Christian) (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:30:27 GMT

From: You've written pretty evil s**t here Ray (unknown)

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Why do you think your mind is being controlled?

Re: The Disturbing Trend Toward Federal Police (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:02:06 GMT

From: I'm sorry you feel so miserable (unknown)

And what does this have to do with the police they're talking about hiring? Do you think the ATF is trying to make you think thoughts you don't want to think? I don't see what drug/gun enforcement cops have to do with controlling your mind.

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May God help you out of your distress Raymond

Re: The Disturbing Trend Toward Federal Police (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:17:33 GMT

From: Try and ask His help (unknown)

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Notice how Ray never explained his child suicide remarks

Re: PLease SIGN (Ray's Psychiatrist)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:41:37 GMT

From: You have ZERO credibility here Ray (unknown)

One thing that's obvious here is that you have no control whatsoever over your own body, emotions, and thoughts, and are so far out of control you may be danger to yourself and your family. So what did happen to your kids Ray: why do you keep making sick remarks about child suicide to people who have nothing at all to do with that? My kids sure haven't killed themselves or anyone else: where are your kids, and why do you incessantly repeat these acusations about child suicide? Where is your family Ray, and why do you refuse to explain your remarks?

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Before you lecture us about taking control of the nation

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:36:33 GMT

From: Get a grip on your own hysteria (unknown)

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What a petition: that's quite a collection of signatures!

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:57:21 GMT

From: Turn off your computer and LIVE Ray (unknown)

Ray, out of the measly 75 signatures you've managed to get over the past months or so, only 9 of them are real (besides yours and your wife's). Only someone on the wrong end of a psychotic break could imagine for even a moment the cause you're petitioning for is taken seriously, and you're reveling in humiliation: you deserve better than this, and I hope you will WAKE UP from whatever stupor you're in and find something better to do with your life.

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Ray's always good for pathetic farce

Re: Thanks for weighing in on this, Ray! (I was waiting for your personal take)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:43:31 GMT

From: Bluster away you a**hole (unknown)

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Your call for help

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:50:35 GMT

From: Practical advice for a frightened man (unknown)

rk: If you have the feeling you are in danger of losing your country, your freedom, and your sovereignty as a human being, you're quite right.

Ray, people can only take control over your destiny if you allow them. If you consult with medical professionals, they'll help you to see no one has any interest at all in your mind and there's precious little to be gained by controlling it. In other words, I can see you're terrified of the government controlling you, but you are willing this loss of control by refusing to get medical attention for your obvious mental condition. There must be psychiatrists in Oregon who specialize in your disorder: get some help, perhaps some medication, and you will feel yourself regain control of your life. Good luck to you.

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Ray's "government plot" against him makes him feel alive

Re: Your call for help (Practical advice for a frightened man)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:56:24 GMT

From: Without it, he's just another sad sack (unknown)

If Ray didn't have this little fantasy about the world trying to silence his "TRVTH," even he would arrive in no time at all at the inevitable conclusion he's a loser who's done nothing with his life, and is of no import to anyone at all. He fervently believes in this ridiculous story because he has no choice: without it he'd have to face the truth of what he's made himself, and his character is too weak for that kind of shocking insight.

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I still figure the demographics don't work out on this one

Re: 9 other people who agree Ray is onto something? (Terrifying!)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:13 GMT

From: Earth to Ray: get a grip on reality man! (unknown)

Out of bilions of people using the Internet, he's convinced only 9 to sign his anti-mind control petition? There's an entire world of kooks out there, just begging for an absurd cause to make their lives make sense; why has Ray failed even with this population I wonder? I guess even the insane realize Ray's f**king offensive. Go figure!

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Sad, deluded man

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:38:02 GMT

From: Don't squander your life hating others (unknown)

If you had any grasp of the notion of grace, you'd have fallen silent in your attacks years ago. Far from any "threat," you're an object of universal ridicule for your meglomania and abuse. Some of us though do feel sorry for you Ray: someone as patently sick as you are shouldn't be tormented because he cannot control his own illness. Just a word of advice: if you want to live in reasonable dignity and grace, find something worthwhile to do with the remaining days of your life. If you continue like this, the day you die you'll look back with nothing but regrets for having squandered what little time you have hating others. That is no legacy at all, and you will be remembered with nothing but contempt.

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Hey Ray, it's been awhile since we've seen

Re: America's Fall from Grace !(Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:52:59 GMT

From: Don't let us down Ray (unknown)

a fake legal brief or ludicrous translation of a language you don't understand out of you. You're losing your touch: try and do better.

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rk: UNDERSTAND THE REVELANCE OF THE ABOVE POST TO FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS AND THE IMPACT IT HAS UPON THE FUTURE OF LIFE IN THE UNITED STATES, THEN SIGN THE PETITION AT

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

Raymond Karczewski

America's Fall from Grace !

Raymond Karczewski

The present Presidential Vote Scandal which now commands your attention is merely symptomatic of a much more insidious, deeper psychological assault upon your consciousness.

If you have the feeling you are in danger of losing your country, your freedom, and your sovereignty as a human being, you're quite right. STOP the momentum HERE and NOW! Take back control of your country.

Understand this present political/spiritual crisis is merely symptomatic of a much deeper wound which has long been inflicted upon the American psyche.

Be aware, pay attention to such selectively orchestrated government/media events purposely designed to divide, confuse, and control a "politically correct-thinking" populace.

Why waste energy arguing over symptoms when the cause of America's malady is left untreated -- the systematic, unrelenting, imposition of hypnotic mind control by government/media.

To grasp the threat my words pose to the present Satanic hold mind controlling political and religious leadership have over the average Citizen/Believer, go to http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm

Pay particular attention to the anonymous 5-year-long Personal Smear Campaign *** launched by government/media disinformation provocateurs in order to Silence me on the Internet. Then, when you fully understand that what they can do to me, they can do to you, sign the petition at

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

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Re: America's Fall from Grace !

Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:57:51 -0600

ohnry@freedom.net wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

Take back control of your country.

o: In an attempt to get thru the mind-rape that we've all been subject to:

o: It is not *my* country. It never was.

o: How would you propose that I take control of something that is not mine but apparently "belongs" to the lawyers, thugs,and con-artists in the Halls of Power?

rk: All citizenship in exclusive clubs called nations, is based on the consent of its members, is it not?

rk: The members belong to the club, and the club belongs to its membership (a convoluted example of oneness as perceived by a dualistic fragmented intellect, is it not?).

rk: Parasitical leadership, or as you have chosen to label them, "lawyers, thugs, and con-artists in the Halls of Power," have no proprietorship over the club. It is all based in illusion. In fact, these parasitical leaders can do nothing without the extorted energy of taxes and tithing extracted from the club's vast "value-producing" membership.

rk: Within this dichotomy exists the secret of *power." It has, since the earliest of civilizations, allowed the few to rule the many through misleading, intimidating slogans such as "rule by divine right." That ancient secret, too simple for the complexity oriented intellect to grasp has always been hidden in plain view from the eyes of the profane (conditioned ignoramuses). It was not merely efficacious in the rule of primitive savages and barbarians of yesteryear, it exists unchanged, even to the present day, despite the apparent trappings of a "modern day, sophisticated, technical-oriented society." The Satanic (Opposer) driven intellectual leadership who serve the petty "god" of knowledge know well not to tamper with success. After all, "if it "ain't" broke, don't fix it."

rk: Mankind has soared in technical knowledge, but in nontechnical areas of consciousness (which is the rest of life) man continues to live in ignorance, just as he did in the Stone Age. He has not progressed one iota. These illusions which allow him to escape the pain of his own ignorance have grown immensely. Mankind is still killing each other, not with primitive instruments such as stones and clubs, but through highly sophisticated weapons of mass destruction, nuclear and biological in nature. How intelligent is that?

rk: Early man/woman was seduced from his prior "holistic" consciousness into a "Satanic-driven Intellect" through the "Satanic" promise contained within a simple hypnotic suggestion. What was that promise/suggestion? That if man (and woman) would only partake of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. man would/could become a "god" in his own right.

rk: That, ohnry, was the first "Con Job." In that transition from the timeless nondualistic energy of eternity, to the time-bound, dualistic, Satanically-ruled Intellect, HELL WAS BORN.

rk: Man lost his True Estate as a Christ, a Son atone with the Infinite nondualistic energy of Intelligence which later was to be labeled GOD, and fell under the control of the Satanic (Opposer) Intellect.

rk: The rest is, as they say, History!

rk: The Second Coming of Christ which blind, believing, conditioned ignoramuses have awaited throughout the centuries, is, in fact, HERE and NOW.

rk: Unfortunately, the blind, led by their equally blind leadership, are unable to see it. Their salvation is merely a matter of awakening from their hypnotic entrancement at the hands of their leadership.

rk: I, for one, DO NOT NEED a man named GORE, or another named BUSH, to lead me. Where clarity is, where lies the need for leadership?

o: I voted with my feet years ago. The latest "election" is my vindication.

rk: You removed yourself from the arena, but as long as you are "in this world" (and still of it) can you truly be free from its effects? If you say you are, I question your veracity. The removal of oneself to personal safety, while sitting by and watching one's ignorant brothers and sisters destroy themselves without attempting to raise their consciousness is nothing more than the action of a rationalizing, cowardly fool.

o: 25% of the eligible voters voted for an idiot.

rk: Look at the field of politicians who run for public offices. There you will see the essence of "human idiocy in pursuit of power" presenting itself. After all, are not elections (fraudulent as they have shown themselves to be) fueled by the concept of voter "Identification"? How can an ignorant populace recognize a quality of leadership not familiar to their level of consciousness? Then, of course, you have the problems of the "Vote Counters." Have you not heard the one about the "blind leading the blind?"

o: Another 25% voted for evil personified.

rk: Let's set this straight, once and for all, so that there can be no mistake in what is being said -- ALL INDIVIDUALS who live in a dualistic reality ruled by a Satanically (Opposer) driven intellect (you all know who you are) are Hell-bound minions who have made their own HELL on earth. What will concept-believing/worshipping Christians say when they realize their own concept-ridden belief system actually enslaves them into service to the Satanistically-driven Intellect?

rk: I SAY WAKE UP, my slumbering Brothers and Sisters. Realize your true nature by increasing your awareness. Do that, and HELL will be over in the blink of an eye. That, my sleepyheaded spiritual brothers and sisters, is the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST you are waiting for. How many times can you afford to reject the message of Christ when it is presented to you?

o: And noone care about the other 50% of the eligible voters who just ignored the whole process.

rk: However, let me assure you that "Ignorance is NOT bliss."

o: And again the latter group gets a minority dictator who's either an idiot or flat-assed evil.

rk: Isn't karma the ultimate teacher? Doesn't it drive home the lesson "you get what you deserve?" How many reading this have learned that simple lesson in life? Few indeed! For if they had, this world would not be in the shape that it is.

o: Take back *my* country?

rk: For a start!!

o: Who the hell in their right mind would want it?

rk: Hell, isn't it?

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This we know, but does Ray own any weapons?

Re: Here we come ready to molest kids & animals (We're just creepy Democraps)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:39:04 GMT

From: Why say your kids kill themselves Ray? (unknown)

I've thought for a long while that Ray is nothing but a stupid Internet joke, but recent posts of his have led me to believe he's damned dangerous. What is this stuff you keep repeating Ray about your kids killing themselves? You've said this repeatedly and then, despite tons of spam about inconsequential garbage (read, this current s**t no one gives a damn about), you refuse to explain why you hurl such disgusting accusations at other people: what did you and Anita do to make you think in these terms? Where are your kids, and why are they not with you?

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You're twisted in your bitterness

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:07:03 GMT

From: Why are you so full of hatred? (unknown)

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Ray's Shutting Down Entire Message Boards

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:34:39 GMT

From: Nominated for Kook of the Month AGAIN (unknown)

He's up for another Usenet "Kook of the Month" award for shutting down all possible message boards at Dark Millennium: there are scores of messages on both boards there, all of which are **Ray talking only to himself.** It's uncanny, and I think it's Ray's ultimate goal: he has no interest at all in communicating with anyone, he just likes to preach to himself. What's the point of posting scores of messages to yourself Ray: obviously no one gives a damn about what you're saying, and you already know what you think. Is this just another symptom of delusional schizophrenia?

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Looks like Ray crapped his pants again

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:55:08 GMT

From: Change your diapers Ray (unknown) Another monumental load of self-indulgent s**t out of Ray Karczewski. Change your diapers Ray, and try to not soil again.

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Ray's always good for pathetic farce

Re: Thanks for weighing in on this, Ray! (I was waiting for your personal take)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:43:31 GMT

From: Bluster away you a**hole (unknown)

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Your call for help

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:50:35 GMT

From: Practical advice for a frightened man (unknown)

rk: If you have the feeling you are in danger of losing your country, your freedom, and your sovereignty as a human being, you're quite right.

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Ray's "government plot" against him makes him feel alive

Re: Your call for help (Practical advice for a frightened man)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:56:24 GMT

From: Without it, he's just another sad sack (unknown)

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I still figure the demographics don't work out on this one

Re: 9 other people who agree Ray is onto something? (Terrifying!)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:47:13 GMT

From: Earth to Ray: get a grip on reality man! (unknown)

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Sad, deluded man

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:38:02 GMT

From: Don't squander your life hating others (unknown)

If you had any grasp of the notion of grace, you'd have fallen silent in your attacks years ago. Far from any "threat," you're an object of universal ridicule for your meglomania

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Your road to Salvation Raymond

Re: Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:36:10 GMT

From: Renounce your jealousy and hatred (unknown)

Renounce your jealousy, hatred, and bitterness Raymond, and you will perhaps be saved. You've so capitulated to all three that they have destroyed every last trace of anything that may once have been good and worthy in you, and they have reduced you to an obscenely abusive and miserable man. Let them go Raymond and turn to God: if you repent your sins He will perhaps have mercy on you.

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Fair Warning about Ray's Website

Re: Ray, your web page sucks! (Angry Citizen..yet concerned and caring.)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:17:42 GMT

From: Be careful with this guy (unknown)

Fair warning about Ray's website. Ray monitors all visitors to his site, and has turned over addresses and ISPs to various government agencies since he's convinced everyone is in on the "AFAB/SKEPTICULT/ROYBOT government/media organized/funded/supported conspiracy" against him. He has already done this to several Usenet patrons, turning over their information to the FBI, CIA, various Congressmen, etc., and demanding the people who visited his site be investigated. No government agency has or will take Ray seriously, for obvious reasons, but anyone logging on to Ray's site should realize he will in fact monitor them and release their names to various agencies when the mood strikes him as part of his extreme mental disorder. Given how unstable he is and that fact he's getting worse every day, watch out if you give him any information about your e-mail address.

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Grace is the opposite of such obvious desperation

Re: America's Fall from Grace ! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:12:43 GMT

From: Why do you so need public approval? (unknown)

Ray, if you had any insight or "grace," you wouldn't be so desperate to shove your emotions down everyone's throat and attack people who don't agree with you. None of the great spiritual leaders of humanity -- including the Christ you claim to be -- had any need for approval, much less the overwhelming urge to attack and denounce those who disagreed with them. Think about it: if you really were centered and calm, you wouldn't be so easily rattled by every two-bit jerk on the Internet. This, however, you obviously are, and on a daily basis, which should have been your first sign you are very far away from the enlightenment and grace you so desperately claim for yourself. Shut off your computer, find some calm within yourself, and let this desperate struggle for public approval and veneration go Ray: it will never work in your case.

What Did You Find There? Jesus Christ or Mind Control?

Pastor S

Raymond Karczewski

rk: My response to a recent email.

To: (arkent@arkenterprises.com)

"The surgeon sat beside the boy's bed; the boy's parents sat across from Him. "Tomorrow morning," the surgeon began, "I'll open up your heart..."

"You'll find Jesus there," the boy interrupted."

rk: Why wouldn't the boy express what he had been conditioned to believe in by his equally blind Christian parents/caregivers? Such specificity, well beyond the ken of young impressionable children, is symptomatic of early religious "mind control," is it not? The boy could just have well substituted the name "Santa Claus" for Jesus Christ, couldn't he? Isn't this the "sins" of conditioned ignoramuses "visited upon" their children? Has it not been said that the "road to Hell is paved with good intentions?"

The surgeon looked up, annoyed. "I'll cut your heart open," he continued, "to see how much damage has been done..."

rk: Now do you really suppose the bedside manner of a surgeon would include the use of such horrific imagery as "I'll cut your heart open," when talking to a little boy facing surgery? Such comments are more in the line with the ogres and witches in fairy tales designed to frighten impressionable children.

rk: Or is this example merely an hypnotic induction technique based in psychological shock (a favorite used) by some hypocritical religious mind controllers bent on creating imbalance in a receptive mass audience through the employment of such kindergartenish tactics? The Christian religion is rife with such examples. Perhaps now you understand the true Christian meaning of the shepherd and the sheep (the leaders and the led)?

"But when you open up my heart, you'll find Jesus in there."

rk: Anyone pick up on the spectre of rote belief at play here?

"The surgeon looked to the parents, who sat quietly."

rk: Why wouldn't they be sitting quietly? Are not such codependent, non challenging, "don't rock the boat" types, trained since birth to be inert, obedient grownups usually struck dumb in the face of "authority?"

"When I see how much damage has been done, I'll sew your heart and chest Backup and I'll plan what to do next."

rk: More grizzly details for an uncomprehending boy and his equally uncomprehending, authority worshipping, bill paying exploitable parents. Or is your story bent on targeting the fearful and the uncertain, the unbalanced and the codependent, who make up the vast legion of unaware civilized humans you hope will read this? Is that the choir you are presently singing to, pastor?

"But you'll find Jesus in my heart. The Bible says He lives there. The Hymns all say He lives there. You'll find Him in my heart."

rk: When lying sedated on a cold operating table surrounded by a group of masked people standing over one with knives in their hands and about to cut into one's body, is it reasonable to expect one, especially a vulnerable child, to enter into such an ordeal "with a song in one's heart"? If so, then it would seem that the mind control techniques methodically and incrementally heaped upon such a young consciousness over an extended period of time by the very same caregivers children have put their trust in have already made major inroads into the corruption of that individual human consciousness.

"The surgeon had had enough. "I'll tell you what I'll find in your heart. I'll find damaged muscle, low blood supply, and weakened vessels. And I'll find out if I can make you well."

rk: More shock coming from the exploiting authority toward a helpless boy and his ignorant, fearful parents, eh?

"You'll find Jesus there too. He lives there."

rk: In a limited consciousncess, belief is a tough nut to crack when that is all you have to go by, isn't it?

"The surgeon left. The surgeon sat in his office, recording his notes from the surgery. "...Damaged aorta, damaged pulmonary vein, widespread muscle degeneration."

"No hope for transplants, no hope for cure. Therapy: painkillers and bed rest. Prognosis: here he paused, 'death within one year.'"

"He stopped the Recorder, but there was more to be said."

"Why?" he asked aloud. "Why did you do this? You've put him here; you've Put him in this pain; and you've cursed him to an early death. Why?" The Lord answered and said, "The boy, My lamb, was not meant for your Flock for long, for he is a part of My flock, and will forever be."

"Here, in My flock, he will feel no pain, and will be comforted as you cannot imagine."

rk: What deviousness! In spinning your primitive fairy tale, you posit "The Lord" speaking openly to the surgeon. By doing so, you are inducing an hypnotic trance (weaving a BASSACKWARD reality) into the already receptive, preconditioned consciousness of Christian readers by keying upon certain words, such as "The Lord." This reinforces their conditioned beliefs. Preacher, you're practicing mind control here, aren't you?

"His parents will one day join him here, and they will know peace, and My flock will continue to grow."

rk: I am assuming that you, the teller of the story, the author of this article, are asserting yourself to be a conduit for the ineffable, and have taken upon yourself the right to "SPEAK FOR THE LORD." How "priestly" of you!!

"The surgeon's tears were hot, but his anger was hotter. "You created that boy, and You created that heart. He'll be dead in months. Why?" The Lord answered, "The boy, My lamb, shall return to My flock, for he Has done his duty: I did not put My lamb with your flock to lose him, but to retrieve another lost lamb."

"The surgeon wept. The surgeon sat beside the boy's bed; the boy's parents sat across from him."

"The boy awoke and whispered, "Did you cut open my heart?" "Yes," said the surgeon."

"What did you find?" asked the boy."

"I found Jesus there," said the surgeon."

rk: AMEN -- the spell is complete!

"What is in your heart? I don't claim to know what's in your heart. I do know that all of us have sinned."

rk: Is that likened to the "Blind leading the blind?"

"I know that many of us have engaged in drug use, excessive use of alcohol, pornography, homosexuality, greed and sins that are to numerous to mention."

rk: Can such a prideful assertion of an "I'm Flawed, You're Flawed, We're All Flawed" point of identification ultimately result in organized fellowship of ignoramuses wherein emerges emotional mass addiction to Misery loves Company? You bet! Hell, isn't it?

"I'm not here to judge you or to tell you what's wrong or right. You know what's wrong or right."

rk: Ah yes, right and wrong -- the essence of a Satanically (Opposer) driven dualistic Intellect expressing itself. If the average Christian believer were to go back as far as he could go, and trace his present conditioned consciousness to it's source, he would find the "roots" of dualistic consciousness operating in the form of a Satanically-driven intellectual CONSCIENCE. Even when faced with such inarguable, damning evidence of conditioned limitation, his present conditioned unawareness precludes him from acknowledging the "source" of such conditioned ignorance.

"If you're not sure the best place to look for answers is in Gods word, the Bible."

rk: A book is a book is a book. Truth may exist in it, but IT IS NOT TRUTH!

rk: Forgive my directness in mirroring the silliness of such kindergarten level mind control techniques routinely used by Christian clergy upon their unaware and gullible "Flock."

"If you do not have a Bible and would like one at no charge please send me an e-mail. I will send you a Bible in the mail."

"If you do not know Jesus Christ and would like him to be your savior pray this prayer."

"Lord God I know that I am a sinner I also know that Jesus Christ died for my sins and was raised from the dead. I now receive and confess Jesus Christ as my personal savior. Amen."

God bless you,

Pastor S B

rk: P.S. I removed the "pastor's" identity from this article for obvious reasons. His "sin" is not the sin of an individual "pastor" but of a class of mystical, mind controlling exploiters which can be traced to the dawn of civilization. It is called PRIESTHOOD!

Raymond Karczewski ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The following libelous attacks arise from the keyboards of assorted anonymous government/media disinformation agents who, through disruption, intimidation, and character assassination control the flow of information on public Usenet Newsgroups/Forums

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He wants to make you a gift of the Bible and you attack?

Re: You are truly evil Ray (You attack a man who wants to help you?)

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:35:36 GMT

From: You are dead in your soul Ray (unknown)

What makes you despise all goodness and compassion? Even when there is someone who really pities you and wants to help you out of your misery, you go for the jugular. All you show through your self-serving words and deeds is what a fallen state is it to worship yourself, and how hubris kills off every bit of spirit and joy in a human soul.

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You are truly evil Ray

Re: What Did You Find There? Jesus Christ or Mind Control? (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:23:34 GMT

From: You attack a man who wants to help you?(unknown)

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Kindergarten-level thinking Ray. You're pure malice.

Re: What Did You Find There? Jesus Christ or Mind Control? (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:26:17 GMT From: Is there a non-vicious bone in your body (unknown)

rk: Forgive my directness in mirroring the silliness of such kindergarten level mind control techniques...

No Ray. If anyone here is kindergarten-level in his thinking and pathetic attempts to control people's minds it's you. Is there a non-vicious bone in your body? Doesn't look that way.

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Dark, venom-filled words

Re: What Did You Find There? Jesus Christ or Mind Control? (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:37:13 GMT From: You're a viper in your rage Ray (unknown)

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Irony

Re: What Did You Find There? Jesus Christ or Mind Control? (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:44:29 GMT From: You're a malignant parasite Ray (unknown)

rk: More grizzly details for an uncomprehending boy and his equally uncomprehending, authority worshipping, bill paying exploitable parents

I guess the way you fancy you escape control is you understand nothing, worship only yourself, and never pay for anything yourself? Do you really think the fact you've lived wholly off tax money for decades puts you in any position to judge people who pull their own weight, take care of their children, (by the way Ray you never answered: why do you keep posting about your kids killing themselves?), and don't simply suck up society's resources until they've dried up. It's telling, your contempt for people who pay their bills: I guess you think it's s sign of weakness to earn your own living like a man, and power means taking everything always, and never giving anything back, not ever.

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If Ray met God Himself he'd take His head off

Re: You are truly evil Ray (You attack a man who wants to help you?)

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:52:32 GMT

From: Ray's neither grace nor spirit nor light (unknown)

In you Ray there is neither grace, not spirit, not light. You are negation in your overwhelming conceit and malice.

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Best post from you so far, Ray

Re: What Did You Find There? Jesus Christ or Mind Control? (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:57:12 GMT

From: keep up the good work (unknown)

the sheep are pissed now! Baaaaah Raaaaam Eeeewe

The Odyssey of the Pegs

by Raymond Karczewski

rk: I draw reader attention to the anonymous libelous attacks (found at the bottom of this post) made upon the reputation of my wife and myself. Note, if you will, that none of the cowardly, anonymous attackers have the courage to back up such libelous comments with their true names/identities. Make note also of the fact that these anonymous cowards never address the content of my "message" in depth, regardless of the subject matter, but focus their libelous attacks upon the "messenger," all without a single shred of evidence to support such reputation-destroying accusations.

rk: Consider, if you will, the effects that such a dark-spirited, vicious, Satanic-based assault would have upon your life and the lives of your loved ones. What would your actions be were these anonymous government/media disinformation agents to decide to turn their (thus far five-plus-year-long unrelenting character assassination campaign) focus upon you or any other member of your family?

rk: Could you withstand such an unrelenting attack? Would you stand up to it or capitulate and subjugate yourself to such viciousness?

rk: I ask you, what would you do? Would you do what I have done, petition your government to do its job in correcting such criminal conspiratorial behavior?

rk: What if your public servants (government officials) refused to do anything about your official criminal complaint, in spite of a mountain of evidence that would assure criminal conviction?

rk: What if your government could not afford to utter a single, solitary public word about the issue for fear of indicting their own in the process?

rk: What if the government's only tactic was to erect a Stone Wall of Silence around the matter, attempting to wear you down, knowing that in most cases, the average person will just succumb to their nonresponse, give up, and go away?

rk: What if the Government counted upon the inertia of a large onlooking, inert, codependent, politically correct-thinking, conditioned populace which can easily be controlled through tactics of "divide and conquer," to do nothing about such malicious attacks upon our sovereign rights and our personal reputations if their own lives have not yet been directly affected by such tactics?"

rk: What is wrong with this picture? Why does our U.S. government allow such criminal conspiratorial conduct to continue on the net by these anonymous posters, some of whom have long-standing ties with the government/US Intelligence community/media, thus making all who participate on these Internet newsgroups/forums fair game for such smear campaigns?

rk: Look at it simply. Would not a criminal trial bring closure, hold all parties accountable, render justice, reveal the Truth for all to see, and break the back of such civilized tyranny?

rk: If you indeed understand the deeper meaning of this Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Mind Control issue, may I suggest you read the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

rk: If you are in agreement with the spirit of the petition, I ask that you affix your signature to it. Isn't it time we took back control of our country and our lives?

Raymond Karczewski

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The following is an edited excerpt from my book-on-tape "Christs with Amnesia", written in 1995. Apply it, if you will, to our present day society. Ray

This is the story of the WE, you and me.

You may ask, how can I be so arrogant as to assume that I may speak for you. Hold that question, and you'll have your answer after you read this letter.

Each of us come into this world complete, new, uncorrupted, open, inquisitive, and uncertain human beings. Welcome to life!

You look at yourself and you see a little round, chubby, energetic body. You're full of wonderment and soon begin to explore your surroundings.

As the link begins to solidify with those who are close to you, recognizable responses and a communication of sorts begins to emerge.

That's when your hell begins. You hear—Don't do that . . . Bad! . . .Mommy loves you . . . Daddy loves you . . . It's for your own good . . . This hurts me more than it does you—and you get confused. Because all you're trying to do is understand your world, and every time you act with that purpose in mind, you are punished for it.

The sudden openness of a big, wide, wonderful world begins the shutting down process. You know you are not going to hurt yourself; all you want to do is understand your surroundings. But you're blocked from it by somebody who "knows what's good for you."

You begin to see that this person who professes to "know better" is really fearful, anxious and reactionary, is closed down, has no life of their own, but they are sure to make certain that you follow in their footsteps.

They have to find their power somewhere, so guess who gets it--right, the one at the bottom of the hierarchy--you.

But what-the-heck, punishment and pain is still attention, isn't it; and you soon become corrupted toward craving such attention, so it doesn't matter how you get it, just so you get it--right?

Suddenly your body begins to change. You take on the shape of either a round peg or a square peg. Your body has lost its own intelligence and therefore accommodates itself to the type of pressure inflicted upon it. You shape yourself according to the kind of pressure that best serves you. You don't want trouble, you don't want problems, but they mysteriously and doggedly follow your every step. Ah—Life!

The training ground of childhood and adolescence is behind you and it's time to grow up. It's time to take responsibility, it's time to be what everyone wants to you be; but you don't know what that is because all that you know is what you are, and people are telling you there is something wrong with that.

You matriculate from the institution of Mind Control, and you are ready to face the world. This time of your life is new, exciting, uncertain and fearful. But then you realize that it is nothing new, life has always been that way for you, were it not for the pressures to please others. You step out into the world and see some who call themselves experts and leaders standing over others who have shovels in their hands digging holes all over the place.

Some holes are round, some are square. But when night comes and darkness makes it difficult to see, you find yourself falling into the purposely dug holes within the field of life that you must walk.

You are upset at all of the nonsense you see going on about you. You ask others why they are digging holes for others to fall in. You get no answer other than--that's just the way it is, I'm just doing my job.

A well-dressed, prosperous looking man walks up to you and in a soothing voice identifies himself as an expert. Don't worry, he says, if you don't fit well into your hole, you come to me, my name is Psychiatrist.

My job is to help you fit into your hole. Being a square peg, that round hole that you are now in will never fit you, so come to me and I'll shave a little off here and a little off there and Voila!, you're now a round peg. I've solved your problem. Now go and meet the world you wonderful round peg.

You step out of his office and guess what—the first hole you fall in is a square one and you again don't fit. Back to the experts. A little more shaving here and there and you're back once again to being a square peg. Although you are much smaller because of all of the sculpting work that has been going on.

But you have no choice, do you, but to follow the directions; because somewhere along the way you gave up the ability to think for yourself, and isn't that how you found yourself on the path which led you to where you are today?

The wondrous life you were born into has turned into the HELL where PEG SCULPTORS and HOLE DIGGERS are KING!

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You may imprison the body, but this man's spirit shall remain eternally Free!

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Where are your children?

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:35:16 GMT

From: No Child abuse in Oregon (unknown)

Given your repeated accusations of child suicide, which you never explain once you've made them against people who never did anything in their lives to hurt children, you have no room to preach about child development. What did you do to your kids Ray? Why are they never here? Why do they not spend any time with you year after year? Who do you think you are to speak about rearing children, you who obviously cannot convince your kids to have anything to do with you?

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There's no book, so this can't be a "book on tape"

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:46:03 GMT

From: Where is your own family Ray? (unknown)

And by the way, why do you refuse to answer questions about your child suicide allegations? What did you do to your children Ray, and why do you think, especially given your history apparently destroying your own family, that anyone takes your advice and child-rearing seriously?

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Telling message betraying your own abuse

Re: Where are your children? (No Child abuse in Oregon)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:51:05 GMT

From: I pity your poor kids (unknown)

rk: That's when your hell begins. You hear—Don't do that . . . Bad! . . .Mommy loves you . . . Daddy loves you . . . It's for your own good . . . This hurts me more than it does you—and you get confused. Because all you're trying to do is understand your world, and every time you act with that purpose in mind, you are punished for it.

So Ray: given the obvious fact this has nothing to do with any of us, what exactly did you do to your kids? This tells us a lot about how you mistreated them, and your constant comments about your kids killing themselves and one another demonstrates you put your own family through hell just to make yourself feel like a powerful man. Problem is only the impotent, weak, and craven abuse children to try and make themselves feel this way, and now apparently your own kids will have nothing to do with you. Where is your family Ray, and how do you explain the fact they'll have nothing to do with you? Be ashamed of your violence and arrogance, and hope God doesn't damn you for what you did to innocent little beings who had no choice but to be subjected to your abuse.

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Why does God allow vicious people like this to have kids?

Re: Where are your children? (No Child abuse in Oregon)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:01:49 GMT

From: (unknown)

Ray, you and your wife are pure disease, and you can both shove your advice you know where. A question for Anita: you made those kids with your own body, so how is it you found a way to abuse them so badly your family fell apart? Ray is an open book in his psychosis, but I don't understand a mother allowing this to happen to her children.

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You speak only for child abusers Ray

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:57:49 GMT

From: You're offensive beyond all measure (unknown)

rk: This is the story of the WE, you and me. You may ask, how can I be so arrogant as to assume that I may speak for you.

Like hell you speak for us! I never once abused my kids, and I'd be willing to bet you're the only one on this forum who does. Save your garbage words about abuse and creating hell for kids on earth for someone who not only does so, as apparently you and Anita do, but gives a hot damn about anything you say. If in fact you had a family, you deserve to have lost it.

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You people have misunderstood Ray

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:14:29 GMT

From: How decent people DON'T act (unknown)

When Ray talks about "Christs with Amnesia," he's demonstrating by his words and deeds how vice-ridden and evil people are once they forget what is good and sacred. There is no better demonstration of this principle than Ray and Anita themselves, who are the best models of how decent, compassionate people do NOT conduct themselves.

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Ray, if you stopped making accusations...

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:02:30 GMT

From: (unknown)

If you stopped making accusations against other people making kids kill themselves you would be spared much of this grief that's come up about your own family. Look to yourself first before you start preaching.

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Looks like this child abuse stuff touched a real nerve Ray

Re: Ray, if you stopped making accusations...

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:05:11 GMT

From: I think you protest WAY too much (unknown)

Beyond the repeated accusations of child murder, etc., you're reacting to what I would normally consider crazy accusations of child abuse in a way that suggests you've got something in your background you're hiding. So why open up the topic you're obviously seeking to avoid by accusing other posters of abusing your kids? What's your story here Ray?

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Problem is, it looks like he doesn't

Re: Ray, you must have something better to do with your life (Please do it)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:17:56 GMT

From: An invitation to Ray and Anita (unknown)

The man has refused to work for decades, apparently in order to devote himself full-time to spamming every message board he can find with his self-aggrandizing non-sensical garbage. Ray and Anita, no one in Oregon ever asked you to come here: please go back to where you came from and leave decent people and their families in peace.

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The answer to your question: no effect at all

Re: Chill Ray this is an anonymous forum... (Conserve your energy)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:24:09 GMT

From: Reaping madness, huh Ray? (unknown)

Ray, I know you've been told this before to no avail, so TRY and get it through your thick skull now. You are the *only one* who subjects himself to this kind of public critique because you're the only one sufficiently megomaniacal in his behavior to attack people publicly about killing your kids and promptly turn over the names of anyone who finds your wild fantasies...well, wild. News flash Ray: our families are safe because we're neither demented nor committed to attacking others on a daily basis. As you sow, so shall you reap. Get it now??

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Good point Re: Chill Ray this is an anonymous forum... (Conserve your energy)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:52:47 GMT

From: Did this somehow escape your notice? (unknown)

Obviously Ray, this is not a forum where people post by name, and it has been the accepted convention since the beginning. So what exactly do you expect posting your attacks and egomaniacal rants here if not responses posted without names? If you post here obsessively it means you tacitly acquiesce to the accepted conventions of the forum, which include people not posting by name. If you want to post to a forum where people sign with their names, PLEASE BY ALL MEANS FIND ONE. You wore out your welcome here years ago. We'd all be thrilled to see you find a new place to post your abusive s**t.

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Pretty weenie stuff Ray

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:57:12 GMT From: It's a foreseeable reaction to your rage (unknown) Stop making such an absurd spectacle of your aggressive attacks against other people, and I'm sure your name will not be mentioned again. What did you expect anyway, accusing people of making your kids kill themselves?

Ah! For Christs' Sake!! (Was: Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs)

Thursday, 21-Dec-00 10:42:01

63.10.97.156 , Davy writes:

Obvious, it is Ray, That you have been "chosen", Thank the Father you don't have to wear a yellow "hexagram" around all the time. Ray are there any places to fish out there? Are there any fatherless children in your area, that could benefit from some grandfatherly quality time? In my case ,after having borrowed money to edit raw footage of sat. trans. during the massacre of my neighbors(WACO),completing the project,with 15 horrific hours on 30 min beta's; the film was stolen By Gregory Sali of Boise, Idaho; and I was arrested for burglary. After 29 court appearances over 6 and one half years and numerous attempts to entrap me as well as "set me up"....there is much more to the story; much that I don't care to reveal at the present. Have you ever listened to the 48 hours of the 911 call by Wayne Martin to Mclennan co. sheriffs office 28 feb.93? Twice? Have you tried to get "OUR GOVT." to take a look at the murders that they endorsed? It's insane Ray! Go fishing, go for a walk a really long walk in the woods. Go camping. Go to the beach. Move. do something else. Of course the EVIL ones control the information flow, that's their job. As soon as you pop up on their radar screen they take especial delight in slowly shooting you down, become an acrobat ,Ray ; a real contortionist......Best bet is to go fishing. There is no such thing as our government,unless you are a yahudi(synagogue of satan-jew). Didn't you see the body language Bushman had with A. Greenspan? Take some time off Ray, this ride has a way to go yet. Got all your cartridges reloaded? Have you watched "the Inlaws" with Peter Falk and alan Arkin lately? There is a post on apfn message board by Grugyn Silverbristle, check out the links! The story ,My life with Trouble is especially well written considering the Author is really a composer! Besides if you can't go into the forest maybe you could read about it. thanks for your Posts Ray, Think about the Family of Joe Love, Michael Schroeder, Mike Matson, Jae Dean Wendell, Peter Hippsman, and the others murdered by The Synagogue of Satan mind crontrol program implementation unit.[Media/ADL/FBI/ATF/CIA/MOSSAD/MI6/KGB/NSA/NRO/lotsmore?

rk: So you're all for capitulation to the "Gates of Hell" pressures of the New World Order, eh, Davy?

rk: Sorry, but my humble, nondualistic essence as a living Christ does not allow for such capitulation to the lesser, yet prevailing dualistic energies which enslave and rule conditioned, politically correct-thinking intellects.

rk: How many times will "civilized" humanity turn its back on the words of a Christ?

Raymond Karczewski

Dear Brother Ray, not at all am I for capitulation, to recapitulate I am for taking a little R&R, heck ask Ken(APFN) if a little R&R isn't necessary from time to time. As a CHRIST essence-soul surely you know of the many wonders the Father has for us even in the midst of all the Mayhem and misery. There are lterally millions of people right here in America that are victims of the New World Order Agenda.[the alleged election indicated upwards of 100 million,but i think those numbers were slightly inflated] One mind control researcher and deprogrammer estimates that somewhere between 2 to 10 million victims of Satanic ritual abuse programming are living lives of pure hell RIGHT NOW! Used to hear Bo on the radio say "innocents must suffer"..God I hated to hear that, I hated that my neighbors were murdered at high noon on international T.V.,to appease, gain favor with,a very evil entity....it happened, I did what I could to stop it but it still happened....From what is currently transpiring it is clearer to me now that (after reading in Jeremiah) people are being given the opportunity to Judge themselves.......the righteous have nothing to fear. Fear not Brother Ray, you have aquitted yourself..you are compelled to help others and apparently your not field material(like the Author of Life With Trouble). Don't worry about all the ones that make fun of you, and won't sign their names on your petition, petition the Almighty and forget about the inconsequential dregs. (Think how easy it was for Noah), and isn't politically correct intellect an oxymoron? PEACE be unto THEE

Davy

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Have you been threatened with commitment ?

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:08:37 GMT

From: (unknown)

rk: You may imprison the body, but this man's spirit shall remain eternally Free!

What the hell is this supposed to mean? As usual, you're so overstated and grandiose in what you say you make yourself your own parody. I can't help but wonder though what triggered this inane comment: have they finally initiated commitment proceedings against you? Let them help you Ray: you're degenerating into babbling paranoia.

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Inaccurate and pathetic

Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:40:15 GMT

From: You can't save face this way Ray (unknown)

rk: Make note also of the fact that these anonymous cowards never address the content of my "message" in depth, regardless of the subject matter, but focus their libelous attacks upon the "messenger," all without a single shred of evidence to support such reputation-destroying accusations.

This is nonsense and you know it. People know full well you're the last person in any position to preach about any of the crap you're constantly trying to jam down our throats, and they simply underscore your own sickening history of domestic problems, unemployment, mental health problems, and harassment of every person and government agency you can find . Your "message" is precisely not that -- YOUR message. You know nothing about spiritual insight, compassion, intelligence, loving families, or even remotely socialized behavior, and people are unwilling to quietly accept such hysterical sermons from a deranged, abusive individual as you. Sorry your public facade has run straight up against the reality of what you are, and you have been found wanting and hypocritical. You're better off curing your own disease than spending all your time attacking people who simply don't take you for anything more than a sick, lonely man whose only society are perfect strangers on the Internet.

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You finally found your mirror image Ray

Re: Ah! For Christs' Sake!! (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:56:01 GMT

From: Look into your personal mirror of truth (unknown)

None of this has anything to do with Christ. Do you realize to what level you stoop by wallowing in your own conceit? Just look at this correspondance and tell me it isn't sick.

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Re: Ah! For Christs' Sake!! (Was: Re: The Odyssey of the Pegs)

12/22/2000

David Vorous (dave@snakebite.com) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

dv: Right ray, for christ's sake, won't you go away.

rk: Where does the Infinite go?

dv: Atheists prayer: Jesus, protect me from your followers.

David J. Vorous

dave@snakebite.com

http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com

dv: Life's too serious to be taken seriously.

rk: One ought not fear Jesus' blind followers for although their number is LEGION, they are merely the "Blind being led by the Blind." They are but deluded, hypnotically entranced minions of a dualistic Hell spun with the thread of their own fragmented, dualistic consciousness. They are the unaware, who worship the petty "god" of (Satanically-Opposer) Intellect. Their ORIGINAL SIN was to capitulate to the pressures imposed maintained and reinforced upon their suggestible consciousness throughout the ages via priestly mind controlling myth.

rk: One so blind and so proud as to proclaim himself an "Athiest" ought to realize his real fear arises not from enslaved Christians but from Sovereign Christs -- Jesus' Spiritually Sighted Peers.

rk: It is they who, through the medium of Spiritual Mirroring, shall DISPELL the Satanic hold of the Few who have ruled over the many since the dawn of civilization.

rk: It is the Spiritually Sighted who shall deal a death blow to the illusion of a New World Order.

rk: It is They who will awaken the entranced and thus usher in a New World Consciousness for mankind.

Raymond Karczewski

Anybody Out There Ready for a New World Consciousness? (Was Re: Hi kids...)

12/22/2000

Stephen ("@uswest.net)

gmurl@earthlink.net wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

******SPV....Gordon are you still with vast knowledge of nothing? Have you found out you "know not" yet. I have just been telling the story of Socrates who said, "The first thing I realized was that I didn't know anything." Now I know I don't know and you are still pretending to know. So why are you back wasting our time with things you know nothing about?

Unca Gordon wrote:

Hi there. I'm Gordon Murl... Unca Gordon if you like.

Life is a dance of understanding. The more you understand the better your life. But what does that mean... it means that the more real you are the more unreal your ideas of life become.

Here is the kicker... you are only as real as you are in this very moment of reading. Most of you will change reality during the small interval of reading this short note... some of you will not.

When you know a dance properly you forget the steps and just flow. This is reality in motion and it's the flavor of life. Those who know bliss know it not as learning but as understanding.

Now who will talk with me? Who is willing to visit with Unca Gordon?

Hello Gordon,

I applaud your input to these newsgroups, infrequent though they may be.

Isn't it interesting that one who has the capacity to perceive life at the sublter realms is considered a "Stranger in a Strange land" -- a sane man who ventures into the insane land of Bassackwards to bring a little light to the darkness which permeates such low levels of conditioned human consciousness.

I certainly am not the first, nor shall I be the last to SEE that the average reader/contributor to these newsgroups, weaned on slogans and pat phrases, is *unaware* of the fact that they have been trained much like one trains a pet (Pavlovian Conditioning) to function mechanically at the lowest level of consciousness. Such is the nature of civilized human beings -- Barbarians who wear masks of gentility.

These prideful, unaware, predatory poseurs (hypocrites) are fueled by the friction they are able to create. They function at the level of spiritual vampires who feed and live off the life (force) energy they drain from others through the medium of upset, intimidation, and endless go-nowhere dualistic argument.

Have you not seen how they writhe and squirm when they are exposed in their tactics by a man of Truth? Look at how they are helpless, rendered impotent when they stand too long before such a Mirror of TRUTH. Have you not observed how they spend damn near all of their time attempting to smear, distort and misdirect attention away from such a pristine reflector? Yet they seem incapable of learning this simple Truth about themselves. That is the hell of stupidity exhibited by the *unaware,* is it not?

One may search far and wide on these Usenet newsgroups for a serious, dignified communication. Yet when one comes upon such stirrings of Intelligence, it does not take long for the *aware* to SEE how quickly such momentum is mucked up by the "Satanic-serving," rabble-rousing, muckrakers of these groups.

Sadly, it appears that these groups are allowed, via public apathy, to be controlled by Government/media supported mind controlling/disinformation provocateurs, whose only purpose is to keep any serious discussion of life's subtleties, which would heal the fragmented human soul, from ensuing. "Victims" who fall prey to these psychic predators have not yet learned the simple lesson of "Resist not Evil."

One merely need cast a cursory glance at the primary energy of these Satanic (Opposer) driven intellects in action to see the dualistic forces at play which have made this world of ours a Hell on earth.

An example: Look at the above baiting tactics of stephen vanier. Look at the emptiness of his rhetoric as he baits another. What does he offer? To see the Truth behind his words, one must look at his words at the superficial letter-of-the-word level while simulaneously observing the deeper spirit-of-the-word level.

The "not so subtle" thread, which can be observed by those possessed of Spiritual Discernment, which runs through all of vanier's internet messages could well be paraphrased as "I'm drugged, I'm flawed, I'm unbalanced, but since I bullshit my way better than most, I proclaim myself GURU of this newsgroup."

Hell, isn't it?

Take care "Unca Gordon"

Raymond Karczewski

Mind Control and the Media (Was: Re: Siegel dumped in LA)

26 Dec 2000 18:37:54 GMT

grampa613@aol.com (Grampa613) wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:

rk: I can't address your comments regarding the specific callers you've referred to in this post. but this tactic is widely used by the talk show production people behind such shows. The callers you refer to are commonly known as "shills" They serve the purpose of generating momentum and keeping the flow of conversation tethered to the narrow focus of the evening's "indoctrination."

rk: They perform in the same way as the anonymous disinformation agents known as the AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOT Disinformation Agents, the government/media/intelligence community-connected SHILLS who hide behind a multitude of aliases and masks while they control the flow of information on these USENET newsgroups/forums.

rk: It is all part of the planned momentum of a New Age/Alien/New World Order *indoctrination program* repeated over and over and over again by the same round-robin set of repeat guests, most of whom admit fully to their Government/Intelligence Community background/ties.

rk: You see, grandpa, government/media cannot afford to lose their hypnotic hold over the tax-paying/value-producing listening public. To continue their velvet-gloved approach to tyranny over the minds and souls of obedient slaves, they must control the very means of communication both on and off the public airwaves.

rk: Were they to lose their tenuous hold over the "politically/religiously correct-thinking" public, the "Munchkins" would awaken, understand how their minds have been controlled, and a death blow would be dealt to the illusions which rule the lives of human beings regardless of where they live on this planet.

rk: It is the essence of this issue of government/media sponsored/supported mind control/disinformation that is the subject of the Criminal Complaint I filed with the Medford, Oregon office of the FBI on Novermber 2nd, 1997. And YES -- it is the same issue which our federal officials, aided and abetted by a strangely silent public media, have avoided addressing at all costs. They understand that making any public comments would indict the very system of corruption which seeks to consolidate itself through a New World Order. It remains to be seen what our new President, George W. Bush, does with this issue which threatens the very existence of our present Constitution-based government.

rk: Why settle for a "Thousand Points of Light" when MILLIONS can do the job much, much better? Send an unmistakable message to our new government. One that cannot be readily ignored or STONEWALLED. Read the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

rk: Let your own good sense guide you the rest of the way. Your country and your freedom rests in your hands.

rk: Isn't it time we brought these shadow-dwelling, parasitical, exploitive individuals to Justice? Isn't it time we brought closure to a way of life best described as *HELL ON EARTH*?

rk: The future rests in the hands of the public, not in the hands of politicians put into office through a corrupt and manipulatable election system.

rk: Let's see what the American People can do as individuals -- as sovereign human beings -- when they can see the simple truth for themselves and are thus no longer dependent upon others to tell them what they must do. Take back control of your country and you will have taken back control of your life!

Raymond Karczewski

Here's something that I've noticed since Mike took over and it pretty much started right away. Mike usually has the same callers at least 2-4 nights a week. I can't recall any time where I knew the callers when Art had his I don't remember their names but the voices and same stuff they spew each time just irritates me. The worst is the guy that calls ALL THE TIME and goes off on the guests because they don't agree with his bible. He talks really fast, quotes the bible a lot and basically tells the guests that they are going to hell if they don't change there ways. Mike actually shut him up once when Mike asked if the bible was always right then was Homosexuality wrong, the guy flipped and said that Homosexuality was not wrong. I've never heard Mike put someone in their place and not sure how he figured out that was this guys lifestyle but he did.

The other caller that makes my stomach turn is the whiny Blind guy from Boston. I have a few blind friends and none of them starve for attention and put people down like this guy. Everytime he calls its always a "What about me?" type call.

Has anyone else noticed repeat callers with Mike? I know a lot more people listend when Art was hosting and therefore it was "tougher" to get through but it just weird that the same characters get on his show almost nightly.

Lets Take Back Our Country: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show

Those interested in taking back control of our country and restoring our eroded Freedoms guaranteed us by our US Constitution without resorting to a "bloody" Revolution are invited to listen to Ray on the Alex Jones Radio Show.

The archived show may be found at http://www.m2ktalk.com/ PM Show Dec. 27th, 2000 --clip 3, hour two; and clip 1, hour three.

While your at it, visit my petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RayNita1/petition.html

Let's close this issue of government/media mind control/disinformation campaign launched against unwary users of the Internet once and for all.

Take back control of your money. Hold your elected officials responsible for their unconscionable conduct in STONEWALLING the FBI investigation into the use of Intelligence community/media related operatives who have been conducting a long term mind control/disinformation campaign against the American People, and the seemingly inexorable momentum toward enslavement via a New World Order will disintegrate in an "Eternal" blink of an eye.

Raymond Karczewski

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So you can't handle simple posting but...

Re: Lets Take Back Our Country: (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:17:39 GMT

From: Get a life:maybe aliens will take you in (unknown)

Ray, if after all these years spamming the entire Internet with you paranoid, self-serving idiocy you STILL cannot figure out how to post without multiple replications of the same stupid s**T, do you really expect us to take anything about you seriously? Learn how to work a simple computer first, though I seriously doubt anyone is ever going to subscribe to your alien conspiracy theories. But at least you'll spare people your constantly repeated garbage on their computer screens.

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Does this guy Alex Jones know what you are?

Re: Lets Take Back Our Country: (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:59:52 GMT

From: You are Anita are freaking hypocrites (unknown)

Does he know, for example, that though you viciously attack the government and taxpayers on a daily basis, you've lived like a lowlife leach off taxpayer money for decades, and refuse to work even minimally to earn your own living, like a man? What would he think if he knew every single penny you live on comes from the government? Or did you manage to hide this vital fact from him? When you go about cloaking your own disgusting history of lies, abuse, and fraud, how DO you arrive at any vision of yourself as Christ? F**king psychotic. I'd bet if this guy knew how utterly dependent you have always been on government largesse, even he, as f**king crazy as he is too, would shun you violently. You and Anita are freaking hypocrites: go to Texas, or anywhere else for that matter, because Oregon is a decent state with no room for fraudulent filth like you two.

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So, Ray: you finally found your Doppelganger?

Re: Who is Alex Jones Part I (Your ever luvin' IP spoof)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:38:48 GMT

From: Nothing to do with Christ at all (unknown)

Reading through these posts explaining who Alex Jones is, it seems as though you've finally found someone as diseased, abusive, and hate-filled as you and Anita are. What I don't understand is you advertizing this to the world: so a twenty-something-year-old psychotic in Texas graciously allowed you a few moments to spew your bile on his little radio show, and you're licking his boots over it? This is unseemly, to say the least. If you are so desperate to arrive at some sense of self-esteem, get a job, do something worthwhile in the world, and stop carrying on like some pathetic old parasite kissing a child's ass for the chance to hear your own voice on the radio. You are as far away from Christ as anyone could possibly get.

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A prayer for Raymond and Anita Karczewski

Re: Lets Take Back Our Country:(Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:10:14 GMT

From: You are but walking, talking negation (unknown)

I pray God helps you renounce the hatred and rage that has so thoroughly rotted your soul and mind away Raymond and Anita. May He help you see how such anger and bitterness can only destroy, leaving you with nothing but desperation, emptiness, and implacable darkness. May He help you understand how you've killed off every last bit of humanity in you, all compassion and grace, and all possibility of insight into what is good and holy. May He open your mind to all the people you have abused over the years and help you understand that this is your only legacy, one which will assure you will be remembered, if you're remembered at all, as sick, cancerous souls. Renounce your rage Raymond and Anita, renounce your will to destroy everything around you, reconcile yourself with the family you destroyed in your abuse, and come into light, hope, and calm. As it is you are but walking, talking negation.

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Living up to your reputation Ray?

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:21:46 GMT

From: kristine (unknown)>

Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote: > > rk: I can't address your comments regarding the specific callers you've > referred to in this post. but this tactic is widely used by the talk show production people blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah

>>>>massive post holiday wankage snipped<<<

bRat gets cut off by his wet dream/nemesis roybot masters during an attempt to call the masterbaiters show. therefore, call in shows are all a part of a huge, intricate conspiracy to control minds and censor bRat.

what a wanker, you are bRat.

i know, i know, you didn't see your original post listed in your newsreader (since the powers are blocking your own posts from you to you) so you'll be reposting this six or seven times.

-- kristine queen of the undead afab army

* * * * * * * *

i'm an agent of satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial

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Smell the fruitcake Ray

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:24:41 GMT

From: Zaphod (unknown)

The eminate deranged wacko Raymond Karczewski wrote:

rk: I can't address your comments regarding the > specific callers you've referred to in this post. > but this tactic is widely used by the talk show > production people behind such shows. The callers > you refer to are commonly known as "shills" They > serve the purpose of generating momentum and keeping the flow of conversation tethered to the narrow > focus of the evening's "indoctrination." > > rk: They perform in the same way as the anonymous > disinformation agents known as the AFAB > BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOT Disinformation Agents, the > government/media/intelligence community-connected SHILLS > who hide behind a multitude of aliases and masks while they control the flow of information on these USENET > newsgroups/forums.

Hey kazoo, you forgot to take you medication again! All these vast and complicated imaginary conspiricies you conjure up and seemingly believe. What a poor soul. No wonder no one from your family wants to have anything to do with you....... your pitiful!

Stop and smell the fruitcake you loon - better yet, get some help.

PS - have you paid your California traffic citation yet?

zaphod

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ANOTHER proud day for the Karczewski clan!

Re: Congratulations Ray (Buffoon)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:21:45 GMT

From: Forgot: you &Anita destroyed your family (unknown)

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Re: Let's Take Back Our Country: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show

On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:16:51 GMT, queenkristine@thecastle.com (kristine) wrote:

In article <92f8ik$3dk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Raymond Karczewski (arkent@my-deja.com) wrote:

kc: >>>>massive ego gloating wankage snipped<<<

rk: What exactly does such a vague, pejorative one-liner mean? Is it not merely a personal spin of yours, directed toward your own interpretation of another's comments? Where is the evidence to support such comments? Strangely, it is missing - it is always missing in your comments, is it not kristine? All that is evident in your comments are your own viciously-clothed interpretations. Are you looking into the mirror, kristine? What do you see?

kc: >hey bRat, you better name jones in your lawsuit...the guy is stealing your schtick. big time. even uses all your buzz words and phrasesŠ.eerie, no?

rk: Only when holistic Truth is being spoken do hell-bound, "jot & tittle-oriented," Satanically-driven intellectual nitpickers frantically seek to create such fragmented, divisive misdirections with intent to upset, eh, kristine? It personifies Hell on Earth, does it not?

kc: >interesting that you can bill yourself as "being on the show" when really you just called in like dozens of other weirdo¹s, wankers and buffoons to explain your method of how mankind can be saved from themselves.

rk: Another one of your curious misdirecting spins, is it not, kristine? Was I not on the show, kristine? Did you not hear my voice on the recording of the show? What extraneous claims are you attempting to imply in my statement with such a dark spirited spin, kristine? What kind of images are you seeking to create in the minds of readers through the use of such off-hand deceptions? You really are telling the world more about kristine than you may have intended, eh, kristine?

rk: >> Let's close this issue of government/media mind control/disinformation campaign launched against unwary users of the Internet once and for all.

kc: >you didn't talk about this...i noticed you didn't bring up your lawsuit and beef with the fbi...

rk: Nor did I talk about the infinite number of subjects possible beyond the subject at hand. See what I mean about your knee-jerk propensity for misdirection, kristine.

rk: One can reasonably ask, what is your motive for attempting to create such a misdirecting spin in the minds of others who read this? Why does the name Raymond Karczewski cause such shadow dwellers to come out in packs (much like predatory jackals) for the express purpose of attacking the messenger, never once dealing with the message?

rk: By the way, kristine, you never have answered the question put to you in a recent post as to whether or not you as a former psychiatric nurse employed in a mental institution were actively engaged in government sponsored/supported mind control activities. Are you engaging in the same momentum now, only operating at a different level with your contributions to these internet newsgroups? An attentive reader merely need look at the motives behind the dark, vampiric, dualism-based (hell-bound), fragmenting attacks designed specifically to create division, conflict and confusion, and the question answers itself, does it not, kristine?

kc: .why not? you can spout it here, i suppose, and talk all the big talk, but when you got a chance to really lay it on the line with alex the nutball, you simply spent your time being a syncophant and presenting a really watered down version of your "take back your money" rant.

rk: Look at your categorization of alex jones. Such invectives can only roll off the tongue of mind controlling medium focused spin doctors doing their thing.

kc: >what really pisses me off is the fact i am the only one it seems who doesn't have some radio talk show where i can showcase my beliefs, no matter how outlandish...the fact that this jerk off jones has a broadcasted show and my dog, hamster or my 87 year old blind aunt who thinks her hostess twinkie talks to her doesn¹t, is incredible.

rk: Your clearly unbalanced categorization of the world you see about you (including dogs, hamsters, and 87 year old blind aunts) really says it all, doesn't it? Watch out for that MIRROR, kristine!!!

kc: >i mean this fuckwad jones rants on and on about the government wants to turn us into cannibals, and how physicians are funded by "them" to inoculate the children of america with drugs that "eat their brains" and/or cause autism. apparently there are vast numbers of children and teenagers running without a brain since the MMR vaccine they recieved ate their grey matter. this does, upon reflection, explain quite a few things.

rk: The only question one need ask themselves when looking at such statements is "ARE THEY TRUE?" If they are, then the man is doing humanity a service. If they are true, then your comments are seen for what they are -- merely gratuitously vulgar, shock intending cheap shots. Are you beginning to become aware of how the Mirror of Truth works, and the humiliating fact that there's not a damn thing you or other dark-spirited, Satanically-driven, vicious, intellectual word mongers can do about it?

kc: >nevermind that who "they" are is never clarified, nor what the drugs are exactly, what their actions are specifically or what studies have been done to back up his outlandish claims.

rk: So where is your "specificity" in evidence to back up your vicious comments on these newsgroups? Where is the evidence that the the entities who call themselves "kristine campbell" are balanced, compassionate human beings? Even you must admit that other AFAB BULLY/SKEPTICULTIST/ROYBOT Disinformation Agents have affixed that name while writing their posts on these newsgroups/forums. Or are you prepared to accept full responsibility for all comments written in posts bearing the name "kristine campbell"?

kc: >jones also asserts that "they" are spying on him through his DSS satellite. jones is convinced he is being watched, censored, that time/warner is out to get him and the police are harassing him. swat teams regularly send units to barge into his home and make veiled threats about his speaking out. muscled plain clothes cops show up at his many "speaking engagements" and assault him while warning him to be quiet.

rk: Again, the only relevant question to be asked is "IS IT TRUE?" If so, then all of your pejorative misdirections are just so much misdirecting debris designed to create confusion and division, aren't they, kristine?

kc: >and when alex asked you how you get away with not paying any income tax you never missed a beat: i just do it, you proudly announced. never one to let the truth bog you down, you never once mentioned that you are living on a pension, therefore exempt from paying taxes.

rk: I answered the question directly, simply, and without hesitation. Why does such direct simplicity upset you so, kristine?

kc: >anyhooŠyou were really fucking boring, bRat. no wonder roybot cut you off.

rk: Again you display that Truth or relevance has no place in the comments of a kristine campbell/afab bully/skepticultist/roybot disinformation agent.

rk: I would be willing to wager, that you, personally, have never actually heard any of the conversations which caused the roy masters family-owned radio station to bar me from calling in to their sponsored talk shows in the early 90's. However, in my brief conversation with alex jones on Wednesday, Dec 27th, 2000, you and others were afforded the opportunity to discern the same unchanging, nondualistic essence of the Truth contained within my comments then as has been evident in my writings on the Internet for the last five years. It threatened the status quo then. It threatens the status quo now.

rk: All this nonsense would change in a fleeting instant should the populace wake up to the enormous efforts by government/media to keep the American public dumbed down, entertained, and misdirected so as to free the elitists/bankers/government/media in furthering their plans toward dissolving our US Constitution and allowing the emergence of a New World Order.

rk: Sheeple are sheeple -- that is the lesson history has taught us. How many reading this have learned that lesson? How many reading this can honestly say their personal being resonates today with the unmistakable essence of Freedom?

rk: Have they learned the lessons of past sheeple who were herded into the concentration camp bound boxcars of the Third Reich (New World Order). How many learned the lessons which go back to the Biblical days of Egypt and see how whole races of people could be, and were sold into slavery (or worse)?

rk: The US Federal Government is currently engaged in the use of the Hegelian Dialectic technique of control. They have seeded the Internet environment with the essence of its own destruction by allowing all who would conspire to slander, libel, and smear another's reputation at will, to organize themselves and boast of their immunity from government prosecution in spite of the current laws on the books purporting to protect citizens from such malevolent, destructive societal behavior. When the chaos on the Internet reaches unmanageable proportions, government will rush in with an air of immediacy and certainty to impose draconian restrictions on our Constitutional guarantees of *responsible* freedom of speech.

rk: That is, and has been, the way of the Tyrant -- ALWAYS!!

rk: Such dark-spirited, satanically-driven intellectual elitists, the few who rule the many in the world of civilized man, will never opt for the simple solution, obvious to all who have the spiritual "eyes to see and the ears to hear." Their tack is toward restriction, not liberty. In a liberty-minded leadership, all that would be needed to resolve this Hellish, soul-destroying environment on the Internet is to hold all responsible for their words and actions by merely requiring that ALL affix their true name/identity/signature to their comments so that they may easily be held accountable for their criminal behavior.

rk: Why does the mass ignoramus-conditioned mind puzzle endlessly at achieving everincreasing, complexity-oriented, nonattainable technical solutions which ultimately strip away freedoms, liberty, life force, and renders such mass mind collectively inert, passive, and apathetic, unable to act decisively and freely, when the simple solution to the problem lies right under our noses -- hidden in plain sight? See what I mean about the Satanically-based dumbing down of intellects condemned to live in the realm of BASSACKWARDS?

rk: The sadness of if all is that "politically/religiously correct-thinking" ignoramuses are completely unaware of their coming fate because their insensitivity regards such daily fare as "NORMAL." Hell, isn't it? But then, kristine, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. Your sig line pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

Raymond Karczewski

-- kristine queen of the undead afab army

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i'm an agent of satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial

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The lesson you seem incapable of learning is

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:15:43 GMT

From: Let me spell it out for you then (unknown)

rk: Why does the name Raymond Karczewski cause such shadow dwellers to come out in packs (much like predatory jackals) for the express purpose of attacking the messenger, never once dealing with the message?

Christ Ray, are you completely learning disabled? How much of a mystery can this be anyway? But since you seem utterly braindead, I'll spell it out for you: nobody, but nobody likes a self-righteous hypocrite. You lie your face off trying to make yourself look like a half decent, intelligent human being, but your history is littered with s**t and fraud caused by the same meglomania that causes you so much grief on the Internet. In such an overblown notion of your own grandeur, you've done nothing but make yourself an object of sharp ridicule. And you never seem to consider the obvious question in all of this: if you really believe you are so centered and calm in your wisdom, why do you act so hysterically, and try to force your opinions down everyone's throats so desperately? Such lack of control and desperation in asserting yourself says vastly more about who you are than any of the crazy fantasies you've devised about your own sacredness.

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Your love-affair with Alex Jones

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:36:22 GMT

From: Shared spiritual poverty (unknown)

You apparently think vast numbers of children's and teenagers' brains were destroyed by the evil government administering measles vaccines, and Time/Warner would actually spend even a second spying on some local radio entertainer in Austin? Do you *really* think SWAT teams are dispatched to this little entertainer's home, and he is assaulted by armed government agents on a regular basis? What you've got going with this guy are shared delusions of persecution, and each of you feeds the other's psychological neediness. Congratulations Ray on finding someone as spiritually needy as you: I didn't think it could be possible.

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Who is Alex Jones Part I

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:40:39 GMT

From: Your ever luvin' IP spoof (unknown)

From the Alex "Jughead" Jones Website:

Introduction

Alex Jones: Another Paranoid, Uneducated, Unemployeed White Male with an Inferiority Complex. Oh Joy !

Alex Jones is the name of a guy who for lack of a better description, is a personality at ACTV (now known as ACAC). He spends each and every possible moment on TV going on about this New World Order, about his super-patriotism and about how everyone except the most devoutly hyper paranoid right wing lemmings is trying to persecute him. he generally does this by equivocating anyone not conforming to HIS views as goosestepping nazis.

The first part of this page is devoted to revealing some things about Mr. Jones that he will vehimently attempt to deny. In the civilized world, we call these things, "facts".

The second part of my comments will be wholly and totally biased. Jones is a bully. Part of being a bully is being a coward at heart. I will spend my time proving that not so deep down that Alex Jones is an attention craving,delusional, disgruntled uneducated white male who ultimately believes in nothing.

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Who is Alex Jones Part II

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:42:14 GMT

From: Your ever luvin' IP spoof (unknown)

My introduction to Alex Jones came from surfing through channels 10, 11 and 16. For those of you who are not subscribers to Austin Cablevision, these are the Austin Community Access Centers channels. Anyone who cares to take the time to become a producer of a live or dead (eg: recorded), show can do so by taking the classes and reserving a series time. I did such a thing many years ago and encourage as many people as i can to do the same.

Or you can be like Alex Jones. He simply asks various producers if he can show some tapes and/ or be a talking head for their shows. This is good for the producers because many producers have an idea of what their show should be like, but aren't really cut out for being on television. It is possible that Jones is now a producer; i do not know.

So there he was one night, flipping through the channels and there's this guy on TV who is taking calls (this was a live show). I honestly thought the guy was funny, not because of his sense of humor, but because a caller might say, "Hey Alex, there are too many damned Asians at UT". (sadly enough, there are enough lazy white boys at the University of Texas who are too chickens**t to compete against Asians in the race for a good grade in the academic arena. They would much rather piss and b**ch and moan about it instead of studying). So this guy, Alex, would then start up with something like, "You are so right. These Communists are trying to subvert this country by coming here, squeezing students out of universities and distributing their propaganda."

Note that this is not an actual quote, but rather is indicative of the type of rhetoric that Alex Jones gives.

But later, he became much more incoherent. He started putting organizations and names to the forces that were persecuting him, though he never had any proof. One such story came from an event that he fabricated that will be explained in a bit.

So as far as i was concerned, this guy went the wayside of all other crackpot conspiracy theory nuts and religious zealots. And he faded into the background noise until he became a mere buzz of incoherentness.

Then... then he had to introduce himself to me.

Next part...

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Who is Alex Jones Part III

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:45:10 GMT

From: Your ever luvin' IP spoof (unknown) One night, before it was time to make the set of my show, Alex starts hoopin and hollerin about some ratings he received as a result of this little hour or so of ranting he was able to do on KLBJ am. Apparently no one bothered to tell him what sort of people tend to listen to am radio, let alone what kind of people listen to am radio at night. Well, ratings are ratings and he was happy and proud that he had done so darn well. Okay, he's entitled to that. If you need ratings to have some sense of approval, and you need that approval to justify your esteem, then go for it.

So as he's about to leave the building, he sees me working on a computer. He SCREAMS at me, "HI! I'M ALEX JONES!" Now, being a Texan of a much higher caliber than the likes of Clayton Williams (who steadfastly refused to shake the offered hand of Ann Richards when she offered it to him before a debate for the governorship of Texas), i went to shake the hand.

Handshakes are important. You can tell a lot about a persons handshake, the way they use their eyes when they speak and on a more intimate level, the way someone uses their hands. Well, no sooner than had my hand joined with his when he withdrew it. "My name is She..." "I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. I'VE SEEN YOUR SHOW!" I honestly don't remember anymore than that. He stormed out of the door before any conversation could happen. Once again, he faded into the background; a noise much less significant than any gnat.

Like i said, "Handshakes are important".

Some weeks later i put a tagline on my show. It was custom to create and put some text on the screen (i worked with a static shot) that changed from week to week. This one week, i had gotten sick and tired of the irrelevant diatribes of the radical paranoid white trash hicks that now permiate the live shows of ACAC. So on my screen was the following tagline:

The access show without a delusional conspiracy theory.

So the show ended. Some people got a chuckle out of my tagline, but no one really remembered it. Heck, we never even once talked about the paranoid angry white male shows except to have an ocassional chuckle at their expense.

And again... weeks later after i'd all but forgotten about this tagline, Alex approaches a young man named Sean who was at the studio to take my show over (something i enjoyed doing; being in front of the camera all of the time can become very boring). Sean was about 14 years old. Jones gets into his face when i'm in the restroom. I walked out to see Jones grilling Sean. "DID YOU CONSPIRE TO BUY THAT SHIRT OR DID YOUR MOTHER BUY IT FOR YOU?!?" (verbatim) Sean had become an unwitting victim of the one i would come to call, "Jarhead Jones".

Sean, to his credit, shrugged him off by saying, "My mother bought it for me." Jarhead was momentarily stumped. "DID SOMEONE CONSPIRE TO MAKE HER BUY IT?!?" (again, verbatim), he cleverly responded . So there he was, this towering mass of anti-intellectualism steadfastly pointed at a 14 year old. And that was when he and i had words. I won't even bother to describe his attempt at rationale discussion. But to be fair, it was pretty sad of me to think that he'd listen to anything i said to him.

For a sample of this persons incoherent ramblings and social retardation, listen to the first 3 or so minutes of this Real Audio clip of him (note: this link appears to be dead. If i can find it again, i will change it). More specifically, listen to the first caller trying to give Jarhead Jones some support. If you feel the need, please listen to more. If you decide that this is the kind of reactionist, white trash plebian rhetoric that appeals to you, more power to you.

But that wasn't what really pissed me off about Jarhead. Sure, it takes an utter and complete coward to antagonize a 14 year old but what really set me off was this...

Next part...

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Who is Alex Jones Part IV

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:48:29 GMT

From: Your ever luvin' IP spoof (unknown)

So one night, i'm flipping through the channels. I see a segment of a 60 Minutes show on one of the access channels. Here's the setup: a SWAT team working with University Police somewhere in Florida, I believe. there was a voiceover of this particular clip. The voices of the original interviewees were replaced with Jarhead Jones saying things like, "...AND SO WE'RE DOING ALL OF THIS TO FUND THE POLICE STATE AS MANDATED BY THE UNITED NATIONS TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE NEW WORLD ORDER!" (note: this quote is of my own creation. Alex Jones is incapable of stringing together such a coherent thought... ask anyone who's listened to him)

This bothered me. It really bothered me. I have been a producer at ACTV for most of this decade and a fan of it for longer. Most of that time, i've been witness to ACTV being under attack by the right wing...People like Jones who love to cry, "I've got rights!", but when questioned or they cross a line, then all of a sudden they're helpless persecuted victims.

The concept of, "If you don't like what you see, exercise your right to change the channel!" has eluded these people. There's something about free speech being used by someone who is not subservient to the Radical Right that really pisses these people off. But i'm getting ahead of myself.

It may not be readily clear why this pissed me off, but that should be explained atlength shortly.

I posted the following letter at the ACTV studio. The letter was torn down by Alex Jones within the hour.

An Open Letter to ACAC Producers

Dear Friends,

Some weeks ago, I watched part of a program on either channel 10 or 16. Someone had recorded a segment of a 60 minutes episode about a SWAT team that was part of a University campus in Florida (I believe it was Florida). This segment had been altered by a narrator speaking over the voices of those who were being interviewed. Whatever their original opinions and comments were, were lost to the voice of the narrator.

What bothered me about this show was not so much the fact that someone had shown someone else's work; in this case 60 Minutes. However, it is not unreasonable to think that CBS might find a legal reason to sue ACAC and the producers of the show that showed their for plagiarism and slander. This alteration was not satirical nor humorous and thus would not receive protection as such. Perhaps "Fair Use" would fall into this category, but given the fact that CBS' work had been altered by the narrator, I cannot help but to feel that the producer of the show put the institution of ACAC and thus, the community of other producers at serious risk of a lawsuit. For those of you who were part of ACTV/ ACAC a couple of years ago should remember the chilling effects that a lawsuit (the Infosex debacle), can have upon this establishment.

What I found so disturbing about this program was the fact that the person "narrating" this story appeared to be interested only in convoluting and distorting the journalism of 60 Minutes to fit his own theories. For those of you who did not see this show, the narrator spoke over the voices of those in the story, filling their dialog with his own ideas which were incoherent at best.

On a personal level, none of this disturbed me nearly as much as the fact that the narrator saw the 60 Minutes segment and those who were part of the story, as mere objects to be treated as puppets. He filled their mouths with words that weren't theirs, making human beings into inanimate objects that existed only for the sake of having them serve his own incoherent delusions.

By writing this letter, I hope to raise awareness that there are some among us (Producers), who are jeopardizing the foundation that we all work so hard to maintain. That is, the personification of Free Speech, the ability to bring contemporary issues to the community of Austin (especially live television), the coverage of local artists/ musicians and the opportunity to create content for visual media. As a collective of Producers, we have worked far too hard to let anyone jeopardize the freedom that we (still) enjoy.

Thank you for your time,

Shelly Tumbleson

Producer #1830 from 1992 to present.

When I wrote this letter, my goal was not to do any name calling. It was to raise awareness that there are factions of producers down here (at ACAC) who see Free Speech as an excuse to say anything they wish to, regardless of its factual basis and regardless of the legal implications. By not pointing finger and naming names, I allowed those responseible for this "piece" to save face. The narrator was Jarhead, though to this day, I do not know who the producer was, nor the name of the show.

I posted my letter on the producers board here at the studio. This board is a place for us to communicate to one another; whether it be a call for talent or an announcement or a statement; this board is a sanctuary for us to post our thoughts. However, in true paranoid fascist behavior, Jarhead removes my posts as soon as he can; provided that I'm out of sight. In true paranoid fascist behavior, free speech is good and well as long as no one stands up to challenge his delusions. Then again, he berates me (behind my back, of course), as untalented because i've only done 6 years of live television instead of of being a shock jock on the local white trash ranting radio station [which, as of the summer of 2000, went out of business].

Because of this behavior, I decided to spend some time on my last show talking about the mental deficiency and cowardice of these people. Such as, has anyone ever wondered why only uneducated to semi-educated white males call these shows? Perhaps they're not capable fo taking charge of their lives and thus need to blame someone else for their failures? They have a victims mentality. That is, everything that happens to them is the fault of someone else. It reveals their level of immaturity. I have heard this tripe before. Historically they have used words like, "degenerate", "subversive" and "immoral". They call themselves patriots, freedom fighters, avatars and all too often, they proclaim their actions, regardless of the cost or outcome, as the will of God.

The fun continues...

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Who is Alex Jones Part V

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:52:16 GMT

From: Your ever luvin' IP spoof (unknown)

But there's more, so much more...

A fellow producer related the following story to me. The names have been changed, except for a couple. The following is an excerpt of that letter. Bracketed "[ ]" areas are my own clarifications.

"His incessant pestering of me was completely centered around what an a**hole you [ in reference to me ] are. At least 4 times during this mono-syllabic diatribe, he asked me not to tell you that he said this. OK Jarf**k.

He challenged a man to "step outside"... the man (Steve) took him up on it, and whipped him like the little b**ch that he is. Not being able to accept defeat...he claimed that 4 men with knives attacked him to stifle his free speech. OK...maybe many of us have been that humiliated in our lifetimes...But THEN he got Daddy to call in a favor, and he actually got the FBI to go to Fringeware to find Clayton's address. (Clayton is the first guy that he first tried to lure outside) He did this by concocting a story of him being one of the leaders of a "terrorist" organization called Anathema, which is affiliated with Fringeware."

As the months went on, my source was harassed by this person, who tried to coerce him into believing that he had indeed been attacked by these guys with knives. Finally he [the source], explained that he knew the real story of what happened and that if Jarhead didn't shut up about the incident, he would call every radio and television show in town and explain what really occurred.

After this letter, I received a more detailed account of what happened:

"This is a long story, but the details make it so much more enjoyable! I'll be as brief as possible. This guy Clayton, a.k.a. SpaceHitler, had been pranking everybody at access for 7 years.(the "die-die-die guy"), including you. His favorite target was Jarhead. One Monday night Jeff Davis had his "Patriot Fun Show" Jeff dressed as Elvis, Jarhead dressed as a Booger Elf. Jeff's daughter/call screener, Crystal loved his pranks...and put one through on this night. After Jarhead was freaking out at the call, Clayton (henceforth referred to as C) called back. Crystal invited him to the show, saying that if Jarhead started anything...there were people there to stop it. C called me for a ride. As hard as it was, I declined. No way was I gonna put C and Jarhead together in one building. He found another ride, and brought along a crazy skater friend of his.(C is legally blind, so he doesn't drive)

Upon arriving, C and co.(a total of 3 guys)were talking to whoever was at the desk, and Sir Jarhead the Booger Elf, a.k.a. Jarhead, recognized his voice...and began to berate him as best his little mind could manage. C is actually very smart, and was calmly pointing out Jarhead's swelling example of fascism. Jarhead became louder, and louder begging C to step outside. That is when Steve, said, and I quote. "I can't believe you're acting like this because he called you a Jarhead." He spun around and focused his fury on Mystery S. When he said "step outside, and I'll whip you like my b**ch." Mystery S said OK, let's go...and led the way. Jarhead hesitated, then followed. As did Charlie (of The Show with No Name) and Kanya (no name co-host, & play toy) with C, and the driver. Jarheads next brave move was to announce that he had a gun, and began foraging around in his truck. Steve said, oh, now your gonna shoot me you p**sy. Jarhead came from the truck with his hand in his pocket, and slowly advanced towards Steve. Steve retreated 2 or 3 steps, then said, "Then shoot me" and promptly nailed Jarhead with a right hook. They both just stood there for what seemed like a long time, then Steve let many more fly.

Jarhead tried to throw one...that's right, one punch which grazed Steve's nose...like flicking at a booger. At this point Iggy came out of the studio. Jarhead saw him, and screamed for him to go get Bob. Iggy ran in to do his masters bidding. Steve hit him a few more times. By now Charlie had convinced C and his friend to get out of there. They got in the car, and split.(with Steve) Bob came running out, to see Jarhead bleeding profusely, and shouting "they jumped me with knives!" Charlie disputed this, so Jarhead spit blood on him...So Charlie, bless him, punched him right in that mason jar of a head. When the cops came, Jarhead was ranting and changing his story with each breath...began to talk of his importance...and his families wealth...and his relatives in the FBI!!!

Nearly getting himself arrested. Herman saw the security tape of the incident, and related it, blow by blow, to (name deleted) and I the next night. The next day the Idiot Cause Jumpers Brigade took over the airwaves. Greg Ericson...Jeff Davis etc. Most notably, Terry Liberty Parker. He called every show claiming Jarhead had been attacked in the parking lot by 4 guys with knives...held his own, breaking the biggest guy's nose.(Jarhead's version, of course.) And crying out about what a "Chilling Effect" this will have on free speech in Austin. Several of us called around to these same shows, telling the real story. We were cut off almost immediately on most shows. Terry began to call this a blame the victim campaign...and likened it to blaming a rape victim for the assault due to the length of her skirt.

About a week after this began, I called Terry Liberty Parker at his home and let him have it. He would not hear anything I had to say. So I told him that if it took me the rest of my days, I would rub his nose in the "chilling effect" I (we) did. At one point TLP stopped hosting his 30 min Libertarian insert before Smash the State, thinking it would stop. It never has.

Jarhead tells a whopper when he recounts this story...It seems to grow exponentially each time I hear it. What a p**sy. He created Social security fraud, child pornography, and terrorism charges so he could bring in the Feds. The guys at Fringeware told the Feds, f**k you...bring a warrant. To the bureaus credit, they let it drop. To this day, these delusional buffoons still reference this "event" as proof that what they do is gravely dangerous. I have 6+ hours of footage of all of the flap on access that I have titled Jar Wars. So you see...lots of people do know the truth. That is why Jarhead freaks out so bad when somebody throws it in his face. The scary thing is that I believe Jarhead truly thinks his version IS the truth!

For many weeks we lampooned these idiots on Night Talk. Clayton would call in as Jarhead, recounting how Ninjas with light sabers descended upon him to stamp out his free speech. You gotta hear some of these calls."

I also found out that Jarhead left the studio with a lot of his blood decorating the lobby. He didn't even have the courtesy to clean his own mess up.

Are you suprised at any of this?

Neither is anyone else.

Keep going! Jarheadean Episode, a la DSM-IV

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Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:54:04 GMT

From: Your ever luvin' IP spoof (unknown)

Before i go any further with letting Alex Jones make even more of an ass of himself than he has already, i wanted to present a couple of items for your consideration.

The DSM-IV, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, is the benchmark for helping mental health experts determine the nature of a persons sickness. This book is readily availible at any decent bookstore.

I found this passage last year and i thought it had Alex Jones written all over it. It describes the features of a manic episode. Now i'm not an expert at diagnosing these sorts of things but you may be (or you may just think you are). Read the following excerpts and decide for yourself if they resemble our favourite dunderpate or not.

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Inflated self esteem is typically present, ranging from uncritical self-confidence tomarked grandiosity, and may reach delusional proportions (Criterion B1). Individuals may giveadvice on matters about which they have no special knowledge (e.g., how to run the United Nations).Despite lack of any particular experience or talent, the individual may embark on writing a novelor composing a symphony or seek publicity for some impractical invention. Grandiose delusions arecommon (e.g., having a special relationship to God or to some public figure from the political,religious, or entertainment world).

Manic speech is typically pressured, loud, rapid and difficult to interrupt (Criterion B3). Individuals may talk nonstop, sometimes for hours on end and without regard for others wishes to communicate. Speech is sometimes characterized by joking, punning and amusing irrelevancies. Theindividual may become theatrical, with dramatic mannerisms and singing. Sounds rather than meaningfulconceptual relations may govern word choice (i.e. clanging). If the personsmood is more irritable thanexpansive, speech may be marked by complaints, hostile comments or angry tirades

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Now, i'm not saying that Jones *IS* a manic depressive or that he is constantly having manic depressiveepisodes, but i do think that there are grounds for suspecting him of being afflicted with manicdepression and/or other psychosis. But there's much more, both before and after the above quoted paragraphs. For a fair estimation of how accurate a Manic Episode is to the behaviour of Alex Jones,please read up and make your own decision.

Judging from his behavior, i suspect Jones of being afflicted with one or a variety of mental ailments, but a cocaine habit might induce the same type of behavior.

Should people take pity on Alex Jones? That's a tough one. Whatever afflictions he has, he appears to do nothing to try to overcome them. So while i have a tough time finding any pity for him, I think it's appropriate for people to find him pitiful.

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Who is Alex Jones Part VII

Re: Ray on Alex Jones Radio Show (Raymond Karczewski)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:56:06 GMT

From: Your ever luvin' IP spoof (unknown)

It's almost 2000.

Where are the bombs and martial law and all that Armegeddon stuff that these assholes promised ?

It's November of 1999.

The doomsday cults, New World Order Conspiracy Theorists, knee jerk uber-conservative hate groups and other fundamentalist terrorist organizations have long since gone underground. But Alex Jones remains.

I moved back to Austin about half a year ago for reasons i do not care to discuss. And though nothing would bring me more pleasure than to tear down his theories with nothing more than logic, observation, rationale and reason (the antithesis of all that he is), the reality is that i simply do not care enough. He is incapable of reason, he cannot engage in dialog and anyone who challenges his "wisdom" is a subersive, working for the Illuminati, New World Order (whatever the group du jour is). This behavior is well documented in American History, by the way. It was called "Mc Carthyism".

So as you probably know by looking around this site, i'm going back on the air with my new show, Box of Bugs. I might take potshots at the paranoid lunatic fringe, but why bother? i mean, their followers have "Gawd on their side.", so what's the chances of my persuading them to look at their conspiracy or their cult leader "jarhead jones" with unveiled eyes? i might as well go toss rocks at the moon.

By the way, has it ever occured to anyone to sample the kind of people attracted to Jarhead Jones and his bunch? I've yet to find anyone other than semi educated white males with middle of the road kind of jobs following him. Coincidence? Maybe. But i think it merits remembering what other kind of groups in this country have attracted homogenous anglo/norman/saxon groups of men.

As a side note, i thought i would add something to the story of my first meeting of Jarhead. I thought he was in his mid 40's. he looks tired, worn, stretched. The saying of "ridden hard and put away wet" comes to mind. Up close, he looks like someone who's done a few too many yards of cocaine in his life (which would nicely explain the behavior, btw). Then someone told me he's in his 20's. Draw your own conclusions.

Check back here now and then. If i see something too precious to pass up, i'll be more than glad to post it.

arigatoo goziamasu!

shelly.

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God Ray: just LOOK at the only society you have

Re: Who is Alex Jones Part VII (Your ever luvin' IP spoof)

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:02:34 GMT

From: Ray's motto: Abandon all dignity, always (unknown)

And even this guy would have nothing to do with you if he knew you at all. You've really destroyed every last possible shred of any human dignity you may have once had with this one Ray: fall silent now in shame.

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